Hello people, I approached around 10 women in London today, and got blown off by every single one of them. Two particular sets seemed interest but towards the end of the interaction they told me they had boyfriends.

I usually open asking for directions then I ask her where she is from, what she does, and finally her name, and then I tell her we should hang out sometime, and it does NOT work.

So Brahs, point out my flaws.

Just a quick question; where or how do you approach these women? Give us a quick random example.

I walk up to them, make eye contact and say Hey.. Do you know where London Business School is? They go bla bla... ?I'm supposed to meet my friend there but he ain't picking up his phone. Blah Blah.. So are you from Around here? Blah Blah... What's your name? X.. my name is A nice to meet you and then I go in for the close hey X let's get coffee sometimes or hey X you seem like a cool person let's hang out.

Quote: (09-01-2012 02:45 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

Hello people, I approached around 10 women in London today, and got blown off by every single one of them. Two particular sets seemed interest but towards the end of the interaction they told me they had boyfriends.

I usually open asking for directions then I ask her where she is from, what she does, and finally her name, and then I tell her we should hang out sometime, and it does NOT work.

So Brahs, point out my flaws.

Your questionaire is very common.If she dated everyone making these questions she would have hundreds of boyfriends by now.You need to be unique to tell sth noone has told her before about.
Directions,where she is from are normal to build trust(to look normal) but then what she does and her name are very straightforward and personal.

Quote: (09-01-2012 02:54 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Quote: (09-01-2012 02:45 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

Hello people, I approached around 10 women in London today, and got blown off by every single one of them. Two particular sets seemed interest but towards the end of the interaction they told me they had boyfriends.

I usually open asking for directions then I ask her where she is from, what she does, and finally her name, and then I tell her we should hang out sometime, and it does NOT work.

So Brahs, point out my flaws.

Your questionaire is very common.If she dated everyone making these questions she would have hundreds of boyfriends by now.You need to be unique to tell sth noone has told her before about.
Directions,where she is from are normal to build trust(to look normal) but then what she does and her name are very straightforward and personal.

Some examples will help!

try different angles and see what works for you.

maybe SMOOTH DAYGAME in my sig will give you perspective

Walking up to them on the street is the toughest approach of 'em all because it's so random and ambush-like. She tenses up, (may also think you are a stalker), or is in bad mood or is going somewhere specific and simply has too many other things on her mind that involve her daily going about and have nothing with with a random stranger asking her for directions.

Instead, set a trap. Go to the Trafalgar Sq. or Piccadilly Circus (for two examples) and sit your ass down. There are tons of young foreign chicks there at all times, and the space is tight, so pretty soon one or two will sit right next to you. See what happened, instead of you ambushing them randomly you are letting them come to you. Totally different scenario. The shield is nowhere near as high. And I concur with Kamaki, nothing interesting about your questions. They are equivalent of an online "what up?" message sent to a random profile.

Instead, whenever possible turn to humor if you can. Humor is perfect antidote for her tensed state or bad or neutral mood. So start by making a random funny comment (about the place you both are). Chances are she'll smile, or will respond in some manner. From there you take the convo anywhere you want, but if I were you I would be eventually probing her about her likes and plans in town (intel). And forget about asking her to hang sometime, but escalate to immediate effect (once you see that she is about to leave, or once you have a feel that she is warm to you) tell her that you know a great coffee shop, or a gallery, or some such place (recall your intel info. about her likes), down the street. Or offer her to walk together back to the tube, or wherever she's going. If she's a single tourist and is in random sightseeing mood chances are she will not mind, and would appreciate company, as long as she feels safe and non-irritated about you, which she shouldn't as long as you played your cards right.

That's just one scenario.

Also, your number of approaches is way, way too low.

Quote: (09-01-2012 02:45 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

Hello people, I approached around 10 women in London today, and got blown off by every single one of them. Two particular sets seemed interest but towards the end of the interaction they told me they had boyfriends.

I usually open asking for directions then I ask her where she is from, what she does, and finally her name, and then I tell her we should hang out sometime, and it does NOT work.

So Brahs, point out my flaws.

Don't approach groups of women and make it harder on yourself.

Approach women that are by themselves.

Quote: (09-01-2012 02:59 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

Quote: (09-01-2012 02:54 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Quote: (09-01-2012 02:45 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

Hello people, I approached around 10 women in London today, and got blown off by every single one of them. Two particular sets seemed interest but towards the end of the interaction they told me they had boyfriends.

I usually open asking for directions then I ask her where she is from, what she does, and finally her name, and then I tell her we should hang out sometime, and it does NOT work.

So Brahs, point out my flaws.

Your questionaire is very common.If she dated everyone making these questions she would have hundreds of boyfriends by now.You need to be unique to tell sth noone has told her before about.
Directions,where she is from are normal to build trust(to look normal) but then what she does and her name are very straightforward and personal.

Some examples will help!

Let's say she is from Russia.
-Are you from Russia?
-Yes.
-Do you speak Russian?
-Yes.
-Are you from Moscow?
-Yes.
-The city of Timati?
-Ha,ha yes.
-Is he the black Tsar?
-What?
-I mean you have the Kremlin there and the Red Square.
-Oh,yes.
-Russia is very beautiful.
-Where are you from?
-I come from Greece.Do you know Athens?
-Of course I know.
-Do you like mythology?
-Not very much.
-I like Russian history.Aleksander Nievsky.
-Petr the Great.
-Yes,magnificent.We like Russians a lot in Greece.Did you watch the Russian song in Eurovision?
-Ha,ha babushki.
-Yes,they danced very well.Do you like Diskoteka Avaria?Aram zam zam?
-Ha ha.Aram zam zam,aram zam zam.
-Yes.And Zhanna Friske.
-Oh,you know a lot about Russian music.
-Dima Bilan is my favourite.But most of all I like disco polo.
-What?
-I said Dima Bilan.You like him?
-Yes.Sometimes.What are you doing here?
-I came for vaccations.And you?
-I study.
-Do you study slavic languages?
-No,I study economics.
-Do you like micro- or macroekonomics?
-I like both.
-You want to become an accountant?
-Yes.
-Or marketing?
-Accountant.
-Interesting.
etc

Let's say you meet Romanian girl.
-Are you from Poland?
-No,I am from Romania.
-Bucharest?
-Yes.
-Romania is famous.Dracula.
-His name was Vlad Tepes.
-I know.He liked Turks.
-Ha ha.
-He lived in Carpathian mountains?
-Yes.
-It must be very interesting to visit his castle.They say it is full of vampires there.
-Do not pay attention.People there are like 500 years behind time.There are still carriages pulled by horses there.
-Like visitng the middle ages.
-Exactly.
-Do you remember Murenau?
-Who?
-He was basketball player.Very tall.We know Dimitresku,Popesku.
-Yes.Football.And Khatzi.You see all Romanian names end in sku.
-Like Ceausesku.
-Yes.
-And his successor.
-Iliesku.
-Yes.Ceausesku palace must be great.
-Have you been in Bucharest?
etc

dk902, I usually approach women that are by themselves, but on weekends most women are with their girlfriends.
Gaston, I am a not a great conversationalist,and not great with humor either. However, I will try sitting down next time. I started daygame very recently, bars and clubs are quite expensive and they're almost always a sausage fest, but I must say gaming women is a easier in those venues. Nevertheless, I will keep trying and instead of asking so many question I will make statements from now on.

If she were from England I would say:
-Are you from England?
-Yes.
-From London?
-Yes.
-It is obvious.
-Why is it obvious?
-Because you look very good.All London girls look phantastic.
-Thank you.
-It is true.England is such a beautiful place.
-England is lovely.
-Your piercings look very nice.
-Thank you.
-How many piercings do you have?
-I have four.Sorry 5.
-I see.Do you like Greek salad?
-What?
-I come from Greece.
-I was there one time on Rhodos.
-Faliraki?
-Yes.
-It is great there.Lots of English.I guess you tanned a lot.
-I tanned.
-Good.
etc

Quote: (09-01-2012 03:48 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Romania is famous.Dracula.
We know Dimitresku,Popesku.

Haha, I was in Bangkok recently and I witnessed this:


Random Israeli caveman: Where are you from?

Random chick: Sweden

Random Israeli caveman: Sweden? Ibrahimovic, gooooaaal

The chick gets up and leaves the premises.



Also recently in Croatia:

Waiter: Where are you from?

Restaurant girl: Kiev

Waiter: Shevchenkooooo

Ukrainian girl rolls her eyes in deathly bored way, turns her head, and looks away.

Quote: (09-01-2012 04:00 PM)Gaston Wrote:  

Quote: (09-01-2012 03:48 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Romania is famous.Dracula.
We know Dimitresku,Popesku.

Haha, I was in Bangkok recently and I witnessed this:


Random Israeli caveman: Where are you from?

Random chick: Sweden

Random Israeli caveman: Sweden? Ibrahimovic, gooooaaal

The chick gets up and leaves the premises.



Also recently in Croatia:

Waiter: Where are you from?

Restaurant girl: Ukraine

Waiter: Shevchenkooooo

Ukrainian girl rolls her eyes in deathly bored way, turns her head, and looks away.

There is a big difference.To an Ukrainian girl I would never talk about football unless maybe if she were proud nationalist from western Ukraine.To swedish girl I have never talked about football as well.I talk about football only with Balkan girls(Serbian,Bulgarian,Romanian) because they are proud of their athletes.
You need to calibrate according to each girl.I would never talk to a Russian girl about her piercings nor to an English girl about mythology.

Quote: (09-01-2012 04:02 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

You need to calibrate according to each girl.

Very much so. That's why players, at least international ones, need to have larger understanding as well as specifics of many cultures and regions. For example, simply saying "Bodiroga was the best" may be a magic phrase in Serbia that may soften up many hardened facades

And players need to discard scripts and be able to think on their feet as no two conversations or situations will necessary go or develop the same way. But that's what's also great about it. The game is truly fun if approached in good spirits.

Exactly.Sports is a huge issue in Serbia since many Serbian women are engaged in sports and actually prefer athletes(read also polish rumble report from Belgrade on this issue).In western world it is considered lack of tact to talk to women about sports or politics.(only German girls have no taboos with German girls you can talk about everything like if they were men(they are actually men in mind).

Kids, for all your European women folk questions, ask Kamaki

There are international players out there who have huge experience.Especially English and Scandinavian.They have travelled everywhere.Generally these are the ones who pick up everywhere I have been (also Scandinavian women fuck with English guys and English women prefer Scandinavian guys).These two are who move the continent in terms of banging.

English? Really? I've seen them in Prague, Spain, and Greece, and they were of average garden variety. And were generally not highly regarded by locals (no offense to them, just reporting the fame) due to their traveling in loud and obnoxious packs, excessive and immature drinking, and drunk troublemaking etc. Except in the US, to which they go to individually and are of lower profile. And American women do like English ever since Hugh Grant, or was it Cary Grant.

But Scandis do travel extensively. They are literally everywhere, in every corner, nook, and cranny of the world. I'd say they are the biggest travelers in general, followed by Germans, Dutch, and Aussies.

But we digress.

Nice examples kamaki, will try it out on Monday and let you know how it goes.

so how did it go? im from london also but finding certain places hard. usually have the same openers as you and i either bottle it and dont take it any further or ask a yes/no question that leads to a straight answer and thus no further convo!

Quote: (09-01-2012 02:45 PM)AlbertoDelMuerto Wrote:  

Hello people, I approached around 10 women in London today, and got blown off by every single one of them. Two particular sets seemed interest but towards the end of the interaction they told me they had boyfriends.

I usually open asking for directions then I ask her where she is from, what she does, and finally her name, and then I tell her we should hang out sometime, and it does NOT work.

So Brahs, point out my flaws.

I get the impression that just about every schmuck running a pua seminar or website goes to London at one point or another. Watch 10 random streetgame vids on youtube and probably at least 5 or 6 will be somewhere on Oxford Street.

This makes you wonder how many hot, long term female resident Londoners have already been hit on regularly by some slick cat asking for directions and trying to get her number.

Usually I find "stationary" daygame much easier to pull off than the "mobile" kind where you have to stop a woman who's going somewhere. A.) It's too easy to make it seem like an ambush B.) A lot of these girls are already on their way somewhere and might not want to be bothered.

Try hitting up a café, or some of the recreational spots by the river, where people come to hang out, or any place where you can have a long conversation in a laid back environment.

As a northerner i find people in london to be very reserved to the extent they seem rude. I also find talking to random strangers when sober in the day just does not seem to really fit in with the British culture. You have to remember most of the game material we read is suited to an American audience although there is alot of similarites also a lot of differences ect America has a dating culture which we don't and are more outspoken about their personal achievements . you just have to learn to adapt certain aspects to British culture.

Quote: (09-05-2012 04:53 PM)Idlenations Wrote:  

As a northerner i find people in london to be very reserved to the extent they seem rude. I also find talking to random strangers when sober in the day just does not seem to really fit in with the British culture. You have to remember most of the game material we read is suited to an American audience although there is alot of similarites also a lot of differences ect America has a dating culture which we don't and are more outspoken about their personal achievements . you just have to learn to adapt certain aspects to British culture.

I complete disagree with you.

Actually i find british women to be the most responsive women in the world to day gaming. England is one of the easiest countries in the world to get numbers and to close, period.

I find it strange that the OP approached 10 girls and didnt get a single number, if that was me, i would just approach another 10 chicks

I would never open with asking directions unless I was working to fix some serious shyness of speaking to strangers. I suppose it can work if your subcommunication is dead on and you pique her interest quickly after opening with some interesting statement about her.

There's going to be a precedent in her mind about an interaction where someone asks her for directions, and she instantly enters the frame of helping someone, I think it's hard to break out of that. Instead you should just paralyze her with something completely unexpected, not necessarily a compliment but that's a good example.