We are entering (well...I guess we're already in it) the age of the apocalypse of western society.

To paraphrase "Who's Line is It Anyway?" --- The rules are made up and the points don't matter.

The spoken and unspoken promises of society for a male have vanished with astounding pace.

In the past, if you did your part, if you contributed to your community...there was an understanding that eventually you would meet a nice young woman who would actually be somewhat fit, feminine, submissive, whatever....

By now, you understand what I'm getting at.

The lawyers, doctors, programmers, and "providers" of our society are not getting out of it what they're putting in, with regards to sexual access, quality, and frequency.

The sexual market is fucked.

I'm no game expert, but I've had decent success with women.

When I trace the pattern of my success vs. my failures (aka learning experiences...yay for personal development brainwashing ;p)...

I realize that I was the archetypal "guy that doesn't count"

The bartender, the musician, the traveler who is only here for the weekend...

I was simply the "sex" guy...

I would set the tone of the interaction and of our dynamic early on: Kino, playfully sexy jokes, telling her I'm not boyfriend material (with a cocky smile), telling her I date multiple women...

This put me into the "doesn't count...just some fun for right now" category in her mind.

What category do you own in her mind?

Are you the provider?

Or are you the sex guy?

Because how you view yourself and put yourself out there will dictate how women interact with you.

It will dictate what your sex life looks like.

Sometimes being the Fucc Boi is the best way to embrace the fact that society's rules don't matter anymore. The promises made to us have been broken. So why play along?

The athletes, musicians, actors...these are the guys who society idolizes...

You don't need to be one, per say...

But you can find a social circle, a hook, a niche, an interesting part of your personality and play with it to reinforce that as your identity, your first impression when meeting women.

You'll screen the girls who aren't DTF and the ones who are...they'll love you even more for being direct. No pressure. No strings. No beta cuck shit.

I dont understand what your trying to say man, It might be my compreshion skills. Are you saying you want to be a fucc boy? What is a "guy that doesnt count"?..is being one good or bad? Honestly i have no idea what point your trying to make.

Dude stop starting so many threads. There’s probably a dozen threads about this topic.

Quote: (05-13-2019 04:50 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  

I dont understand what your trying to say man, It might be my compreshion skills. Are you saying you want to be a fucc boy? What is a "guy that doesnt count"?..is being one good or bad? Honestly i have no idea what point your trying to make.

You want to be a "pass through" in her life...at first at least.

You "don't count"...you're just strangers passing in the night who fuck a few times...

If there's more emotional or deeper chemistry you can LTR her...

There are certain dudes that easily fall into the quick sex, "doesn't count" category in women's minds: bartenders, DJ's, party boys, bad boys, you get it?

I'm saying, bring those aspects to the forefront for a while, see how your results shift.

Quote: (05-13-2019 04:52 PM)RDF Wrote:  

Dude stop starting so many threads. There’s probably a dozen threads about this topic.

Cool, so did you have anything of value to add? Or are you going to beta from the corner?

Why do you all your posts read like an ad copy? Can I hire you?

Quote: (05-13-2019 04:53 PM)shakeitt Wrote:  

Quote: (05-13-2019 04:50 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  

I dont understand what your trying to say man, It might be my compreshion skills. Are you saying you want to be a fucc boy? What is a "guy that doesnt count"?..is being one good or bad? Honestly i have no idea what point your trying to make.

You want to be a "pass through" in her life...at first at least.

You "don't count"...you're just strangers passing in the night who fuck a few times...

If there's more emotional or deeper chemistry you can LTR her...

There are certain dudes that easily fall into the quick sex, "doesn't count" category in women's minds: bartenders, DJ's, party boys, bad boys, you get it?

I'm saying, bring those aspects to the forefront for a while, see how your results shift.

Hmm, i get what your saying but those guys "count" since lots of girls would date those type of guys.

Its more like girls have different categories for fucc boys, i.e.

fucc boy#1: brain dead bouncer making $11 an hour, who drinks and does cocaine every weekend but is hot.
fucc boy#2: shitty DJ who makes $16 an hour, drinks every weekend but avoids hard drugs.

To most girls fucc boi#1 "doesnt count", but fucc boy#2 does because in their minds "he has his shit together".

Quote: (05-13-2019 05:07 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  

Quote: (05-13-2019 04:53 PM)shakeitt Wrote:  

Quote: (05-13-2019 04:50 PM)cruzinV Wrote:  

I dont understand what your trying to say man, It might be my compreshion skills. Are you saying you want to be a fucc boy? What is a "guy that doesnt count"?..is being one good or bad? Honestly i have no idea what point your trying to make.

You want to be a "pass through" in her life...at first at least.

You "don't count"...you're just strangers passing in the night who fuck a few times...

If there's more emotional or deeper chemistry you can LTR her...

There are certain dudes that easily fall into the quick sex, "doesn't count" category in women's minds: bartenders, DJ's, party boys, bad boys, you get it?

I'm saying, bring those aspects to the forefront for a while, see how your results shift.

Hmm, i get what your saying but those guys "count" since lots of girls would date those type of guys.

Its more like girls have different categories for fucc boys, i.e.

fucc boy#1: brain dead bouncer making $11 an hour, who drinks and does cocaine every weekend but is hot.
fucc boy#2: shitty DJ who makes $16 an hour, drinks every weekend but avoids hard drugs.

To most girls fucc boi#1 "doesnt count", but fucc boy#2 does because in their minds "he has his shit together".

Wow that's actually very insightful...

You're totally right.

Can we agree, however, that while their are differences in every girl's mind to an extent...that we can probably simplify it a little bit by differentiating more general categories ...aka Fucc Boi in general would be a bartender, partier type...while a provider (dating frame, courtship, etc...) might in general be more associated with a 9-5 guy who tries to DHV with his career accomplishments as a white-collar worker?

In general... that is...

Any man in any career can be a slayer...

But I just want to make sure I'm communicating effectively what I'm trying to say, conceptually.

Ah, the age old provider versus lover dynamic. A pillar of the seduction community.

To expound a bit:

This is why internal game is so important. It is not merely the act of maintaining frame or bolstered self-esteem. Internal game is deeply dependent on knowing thyself.

We have within us a plethora of personas - though you may feel you are one or the other, you are always capable of being so much more. At first this is a cumbersome play of flitting from mask to mask. And then you learn - you learn how you love and what you provide. Then it becomes a game of levels and pressures, fine tuning here and there, minding the meters. Until you know who you are, in any situation.

From there comes calibration, the bait and switch, teasing and testing and pushing and pulling till tire. Points that men far more seasoned than I have elucidated endlessly.

So, to give myself advice:

- Step out of your comfort zone and love

He'll be banned in 3 days tops.........Sad because his content isn't that bad.

Basically be her FWB. The guy she goes to for sex. The guy who rules her world.

The best way to do this is to simply not care about her AT ALL.

Hard part is getting to the point where your sex is VERY enjoyable. Making a girl cum isn't hard anymore. You have to learn how to give her that passionate Mind rocking body shaking sex that'll have her begging for more. Then once she begs you take it away for a while. Make your sex a treat to her.

There's a guide to this on one of the harem building threads but it basically means make her miss your absence.


MANY girls would rather have one guy they fuck while they search for "love" than to increase their body count (worth). ut the key to being this dude is to not have ANY emotional attachment and to not care if she finds somebody else. You're there for one thing and you have to do that one thing well.

Quote: (05-13-2019 04:58 PM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

Why do you all your posts read like an ad copy? Can I hire you?

Bro...do you want make literally millions of dollars overnight with this one. simple. trick?

Then, yes, you can and should definitely hire me.

But unfortunately, I only have room for 3.2 more clients in the next 72 hours (note to self: insert countdown timer here)...

Schedule a call today and grow your business so you can finally buy your yacht!

If you're serious though, DM me ... I do write ad copy

Apparently Hank Moody and John Bozz had a love child...

Quote: (05-13-2019 05:21 PM)Donfitz007 Wrote:  

He'll be banned in 3 days tops.........Sad because his content isn't that bad.

Basically be her FWB. The guy she goes to for sex. The guy who rules her world.

The best way to do this is to simply not care about her AT ALL.

Hard part is getting to the point where your sex is VERY enjoyable. Making a girl cum isn't hard anymore. You have to learn how to give her that passionate Mind rocking body shaking sex that'll have her begging for more. Then once she begs you take it away for a while. Make your sex a treat to her.

There's a guide to this on one of the harem building threads but it basically means make her miss your absence.


MANY girls would rather have one guy they fuck while they search for "love" than to increase their body count (worth). ut the key to being this dude is to not have ANY emotional attachment and to not care if she finds somebody else. You're there for one thing and you have to do that one thing well.

If I am to be banned...just know I don't regret it. These precious few (checks: post history) er...couple of days....have been great.

For real. I'm controversial. I'm annoying. But I don't lack substance. I'm that clickbait writer you hate...except you actually learn something or are reminded of something that you are inspired to share (whether to agree with, clarify, or offer a rebuttal to my assertions)... I really do love this community, though I'm like half-troll..

OP I suggest you stop starting threads. This one was totally incoherent. Stick to contributing to existing threads for a while.

Quote: (05-13-2019 05:32 PM)RawGod Wrote:  

OP I suggest you stop starting threads. This one was totally incoherent. Stick to contributing to existing threads for a while.

It actually wasn't. It offered some value...it offered some insight...and many of the existing threads are convoluted, difficult to glean value from...and bloated...

There's nothing wrong with keeping things fresh with new, updated threads every once in a while.

Keeps us from becoming stodgy old men, wouldn't you agree?

Haha troll

Nothing new in your thread, OP. There are dozens of threads on this forum talking about this subject.

Personally I would rather have people give me negative feedback like this on my last thread, rather than absolutely nothing.

New troll alert:

The Wannabe Copywriter

Being a Fucc Boi as the OP puts it, is a good thing. You get laid with little commitment beyond however long you want to be there. There are no downsides to being a fucc boi.

Say what you want about shakeitt, but he actually is saying the RVF-mouth breather dictums in an easier to understand way.

Yes, certain topics are always going to be repeated ad nauseum here, because certain topics are extremely important to base level game.

What OP is getting at speaks to a core tenet of my still developing game.

Don’t pedastalize anyone.

No matter how receptive she seemed to your daygame/night game approach, how easy it seemed to get her off of Tinder into IRL, no matter how great of a convo you have on a date, no matter how “easy” getting the sex seemed, no matter how many times after the date she says she had a good time.

She is interpreting every step of the interaction differently than you are. That’s why a girl you spend months/years in a relationship with can, after the fact, so easily dismiss your relationship as “toxic” or “a waste of her time.”

Keep it up Shakeitt. You have a fan in me.

Any guesses on what previously banned member this is?

Quote: (05-14-2019 11:34 AM)realologist Wrote:  

Any guesses on what previously banned member this is?

I think it's one of Chateau Heartiste's writers looking for a new home.

I love regurgitated pap from dozens of threads here and elsewhere.

The real next-level shit is to look the part of the successful provider, and then just use them for sex. They come back wanting either: more sex, or provisions.

You can play this game forever with some girls. Others give up after 6 months. You let them know upfront if there's no sex you're gone.

Quote: (05-14-2019 05:47 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

I love regurgitated pap from dozens of threads here and elsewhere.

The real next-level shit is to look the part of the successful provider, and then just use them for sex. They come back wanting either: more sex, or provisions.

You can play this game forever with some girls. Others give up after 6 months. You let them know upfront if there's no sex you're gone.

Funny enough, Roosh's whole angle of "being dressed up in a suit" while running nightgame in the late 00's...probably gave a lot of girls this impression.