This happened yesterday as well. I supposed some will say that the Jews burned Notre Dame so that it could distract attention from the burning of a mosque in Jerusalem. Others will say that the Vatican did it to distract from all the other scandals facing the church.

Lots of people will be disappointed if this really was just an accident.

https://www.newsweek.com/notre-dame-fire...ue-1397259

Quote: (04-15-2019 10:40 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

Quote: (04-15-2019 05:58 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

It is wise to remember that God works in mysterious ways...

If God works in mysterious ways how can you know what is that God intended? It's very presumptuous of you to think you know what are God's reasons and plans, actually you just sound like another prophet of the apocalypse, something horrible happens and it's because God wants to punish us sinners.
No, God didn't burn Notre Dame down to ignite any fire in the hearts of Christians to finally wake up and fight off the muslim poison or because Notre Dame became a tourist attraction and Christians aren't worshiping as they should, it was either an accident or a terror attack perpetrated by muslims or even west hating leftists.

Scorpion stated that this could be the will of God, as part of a plan we do not know.

You are stating, definitively, that this is not the will of God. This is the same as making a claim that you have received special communion from Him about how the cathedral burned down. So please tell us how do you know what His will is as, at the same time, you accuse others of making false statements about His will.

I always do keep in mind, that accidents happen.

Just a few weeks ago, the company redoing the roof of the office building I am working at, almost burned the whole building down. Someone forgot a torch set to "low" on the roof, near a piece of the roofs isolation material. It started burning, and the fire expanded rapidly. Luckily, one of the neighbors spotted it, and the fire brigade managed to take control of the situation swiftly. And all this happened in Germany, a country with very strict safety standards in construction projects.

Regardless of how long it will take to rebuild it, I suggest everyone to travel Europe. It is full of religious monuments not less impressive than the Notre Dame.

Hmmmm. Never let a crisis go to waste comes to mind.
I did think this is where the blame would be steered. Just too convenient for TPTB not to.

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Update 2: Ever careful to watch for false-flags and conspiracy theory concerns, video is emerging of a Gilets-Jaunes in black clothes at one of the two towers half an hour after the start of the fire at Notre-Dame...

#Breaking: Just in - Video is emerging of a #GiletsJaunes in black cloths at one of the the 2 towers half an hour at the start of the fire at the cathédrale Notre-Dame de #Paris. #NotreDame #France. pic.twitter.com/haGSO7VCIB
— Sotiri Dimpinoudis ❁‏ (@sotiridi) April 15, 2019

One definite way to disenfranchise the yellow vests - as they crush French autocracy - would be to set them up as the fall-guys for this national disaster. Surely that is not possible!
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-1...edral-fire

Fake news.

That's a firefighter.

Very early on - about 25 minutes after the fire started

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Time columnist Christopher J. Hale set off a firestorm of speculation when he tweeted that a friend who works at the cathedral told him “cathedral staff said the fire was intentionally set”…
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https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-1...edral-fire

The tweet was later deleted.

Who is Christopher Hale?

Tennessee politico. TIME contributor & Fox News Democratic contributor. Former Congressional candidate & nonprofit executive. Obama White House & campaign alum.

https://twitter.com/chrisjollyhale?lang=de

Hale is not a radical of any kind.

Why does a professional journalist type this on Twitter.

Who was this friend (allegedly a Jesuit who works at Notre Dame) who allegedly relayed the news to him?

Did the friend retract?

If so - why?

Who were the cathedral staff if they existed?

A serious detective or insurance assessor investigating the case would be interviewing Hale to find out exactly what chain of events led to him issuing this tweet and then retracting.

Quote: (04-16-2019 08:17 AM)rockoman Wrote:  

A serious detective or insurance detective or assessor

How does someone determine the dollar amount of loss with something like this? That shits all priceless.

I read about some hero priest getting out the crown of thorns and what not, but even something like a shingle on the roof, thats an old ass shingle with historical value.

The All state people have screwed me around over pennies compared to this.

Aloha!

It makes no sense for a yellow vest to do this and the French people are not dumb enough to be convinced otherwise.

If Macron and his masters try to pin this on the vests then they've made a massive mistake. People will transition from believing it was a Muslim attack to what I suggested earlier, that Macron himself was responsible, and if a large enough number of Frenchmen start to believe that then the blow back against the globalists will be immense.

Quote: (04-16-2019 07:56 AM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  

I always do keep in mind, that accidents happen.

A block near my old apartment was destroyed when a workman doing a gut-remodel on a small office building forgot to turn off his hot lamp on the way out for the night. The resulting fire was burning so hot by the time anyone found out about it that the firefighting efforts ruined the neighboring buildings.

It's also not obvious from a passing review of the pictures that while Notre-Dame is in the heart of the city, it's also on a tiny island full of medieval buildings with only a few narrow, crowded old bridges in and out, and it's an open question in my mind which ones can support heavy equipment. Ile Saint-Louis is in the same position, and is sometimes described as having a "small town" feel because it effectively keeps city life out. I have next to no knowledge of firefighting, but can imagine where there things would go wrong getting efforts up and running, especially if it took a minute for firefighting officialdom to realize it wasn't just a routine accidental fire that would quickly be snuffed out.

We have a cognitive bias against believing bad things happen without reason, and shouldn't jump to conclusions - but it's also obviously a realistic possibility with this that it was intentional.

I do think it's likely that if there is a cover-up, someone will blab. This matters to too many people and too many French hands will touch it for nobody to get pissed off and make copies.

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Regardless of how long it will take to rebuild it, I suggest everyone to travel Europe. It is full of religious monuments not less impressive than the Notre Dame.

Neighboring Sainte-Chapelle is one of the more beautiful things you'll ever see on a sunny day.

A similar thing happened to the 800 yr old York Minster (not too far away from me) in 1984. Lightning strike. Today, it's as good as new.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-yo...e-47947195

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Experts at York said restoring Notre-Dame was "quite achievable".

John David, a master mason at York Minster, said Notre-Dame could be rebuilt using traditional crafts.

Mr David, who was working at the Minster in 1984 and dealt with the reconstruction after that fire, said work to repair the building may take time, but it would be done properly.

He said the two churches faced the same dilemma on reconstruction. Mr David said: "At York Minster there were questions about whether we put an oak roof back on top or a steel roof or even a concrete roof.

"Some people think we can't do this sort of thing any more in traditional materials - we can, and so I think the roof will be reconstructed and put back on.

"I don't think it will take 10 years - it might take two years to decide what to do, but it's quite achievable."

Quote: (04-16-2019 01:35 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

If you need to discover your Primary Fault: pray to Our Lady Of Sorrows and ask her to reveal it. You'll know it when it happens, because it will be fully-delivered, and it is an undeniable, uncomfortable truth that you previously were unable to see about yourself. (I'm incredibly-proud of Aurini recently for facing what was revealed to him head on, because it's similarly-creating positive behavioural change in him, even though it initially would have appeared to him - as mine did - incredibly-frightening to confront).

Couldn't have done it without your help - and Fr Ripperger - and my Priest - and... and... and...

When Our Lady revealed it to me it hit me like a brick, mid-prayer. The word just popped into my mind. It wasn't what I expected - in fact, I was intentionally not thinking about what it might be. After all, reason can be used to follow faith and revelation, or it can be used to rationalize. I've been working on it since then. He sent me a number of trials over the past year, and they've helped make me stronger. They might not have been pleasant, but I'm much better for them.

Here's the thing about suffering: when you understand what it is, and what it's for, it's no longer suffering. No more than the 'pain' of working out is suffering, or the 'pain' of bleeding during a fight. It's just part of the process - even part of the fun. When I'm lifting weights, I'll pay attention to my bad shoulder - is it the pain of moving muscles, or the pain of something tearing? Similarly, the pain of day-to-day - is it just the mild annoyances that occur, or is it something big? If it's something big, you're being warned about a personal fault - be cautious, don't over-react.

EDIT: Turns out its a photoshop people, my fault for not checking.

^^^ That's a cool picture, but it's a photo shop. The Eiffel tower is 3 miles or so from Notre Dame. Even with a super high zoom to bring the two together in the shot, you couldn't get the image to look that way. In fact, now that I look at it more, they just dropped the Notre Dame into the neighborhood close to the tower. The surrounding area around Notre Dame is completely missing.

My concern is that when it is rebuilt, regardless of whether this was terrorism or an accident, it will be a shiny new target for terrorists.

+1 on St Chappelle, relatively unknown

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Quote: (04-16-2019 10:16 AM)Horus Wrote:  

My concern is that when it is rebuilt, regardless of whether this was terrorism or an accident, it will be a shiny new target for terrorists.

I don't know. You really think they'd stoop so low as to bomb a Starbucks? Are they that callous?

Quote: (04-15-2019 04:15 PM)nomadbrah Wrote:  

If it was muslims or someone else who burned it down.

It doesn't matter, the real loss is that it is impossible to rebuild.

No architect exists who wants or knows how to build the beautiful or the sublime, they only know marxist brutalism.

No stone masons, glass workers, sculptors exist, they've all been replaced with chinese steel and glass.

No spiritual rulers who understand the need for the divine and everlasting.

No artists to paint the portrait and paintings, they only paint ugly degenerate images.

Tell me about the superiority of modernity, once the rebuilding efforts fail.

Quote: (04-16-2019 03:09 AM)Deusleveult Wrote:  

As a practicing catholic and native french person, I was really sad to see the images of Notre-Dame de Paris burning.
Sad is not even the right word, it's a mix of sadness, feeling of loss and despair.

Knowing what really happened and who did it is not even important. The jews, the muslims, the free-masons? We all know who rules them and it's Satan.

Are you seriously saying that "the Jews and the Muslims" are "ruled by Satan", like, all of them indiscriminately?

One might say that about (most of) the free-masons, who reject God and faith, or even about most savage Animists, but, certainly not about other monotheist religions and their followers.

But the rest of your post about France was valuable and interesting.

Anyway, some news: a first "fire alert" was issued at 18h21, but deemed false (because of a failed "protocol of confirmation"), 22 minutes before the second fire alert, which did set the fire brigades in motion. So the (intentional, accidental?) fire started when Mass was still in process.

Good news: while there were reports that the priceless stained glass windows were "blown out", it seems that most (though not all) are in place.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/galler...n-pictures

Quote: (04-16-2019 10:48 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

Quote: (04-16-2019 03:09 AM)Deusleveult Wrote:  

As a practicing catholic and native french person, I was really sad to see the images of Notre-Dame de Paris burning.
Sad is not even the right word, it's a mix of sadness, feeling of loss and despair.

Knowing what really happened and who did it is not even important. The jews, the muslims, the free-masons? We all know who rules them and it's Satan.

Are you seriously saying that "the Jews and the Muslims" are "ruled by Satan", like, all of them indiscriminately?

One might say that about (most of) the free-masons, who reject God and faith, or even about most savage Animists, but, certainly not about other monotheist religions and their followers.

But the rest of your post about France was valuable and interesting.

Anyway, some news: a first "fire alert" was issued, but deemed false (because of a failed "protocol of confirmation"), 22 minutes before the second fire alert, which did set the fire brigades in motion.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/paris-notr...precarious

PARIS—An alarm was raised at Notre Dame at 6:20 p.m. on Monday night—23 minutes before the structure was engulfed in flames—but officials found no sign of a fire.

Firefighters who responded to a second alert raced to the scene but were unable to tame an inferno that ripped through the 12th century cathedral for the next 9 hours.

Once the flames were extinguished, there was a sense of relief that many of the ancient artefacts had been saved but the integrity of the Gothic stone building could still be unstable. Two-thirds of the timber roof is gone—it had been crafted from more than 13,000 oak trees, an entire forest reduced to kindling. Preliminary images of the devastated interior reveal a gaping hole where the 300-foot wooden spire once stood and smoke rising from the ashes of burning pews.

Paris public prosecutor Rémy Heitz announced on Tuesday that a full investigation would uncover how a massive fire was allowed to gut the cathedral.

“What we know at this stage is that there was an initial alarm at 6:20 p.m., followed by a procedure to verify this but no fire as found,” Heitz explained. “Then, there was a second alarm at 6:43 p.m. and at that point a fire was detected in the structure.”

Quote: (04-16-2019 10:44 AM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  

Please tell me that's fake news. A photoshop maybe. Even I'm not ready to admit France is that far gone.

Quote: (04-16-2019 10:53 AM)Horus Wrote:  

Quote: (04-16-2019 10:44 AM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  

Please tell me that's fake news. A photoshop maybe. Even I'm not ready to admit France is that far gone.

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Quote: (04-16-2019 10:44 AM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  

That's a lot of JPG compression for an alleged screenshot of something that just happened. If it was posted, it's already been deleted - and hasn't been quoted by any other outlet. The phrasing sounds like something somebody would construct to be inflammatory, rather than something that would actually be said - but I admit it could be the translation.

With that said, if true, I maintain that this will be his undoing.

Quote: (04-16-2019 10:50 AM)DamienCasanova Wrote:  

PARIS—An alarm was raised at Notre Dame at 6:20 p.m. on Monday night—23 minutes before the structure was engulfed in flames—but officials found no sign of a fire.

Firefighters who responded to a second alert raced to the scene but were unable to tame an inferno that ripped through the 12th century cathedral for the next 9 hours.

Scenario #1: A construction worker realized he fucked up, pulled the fire alarm, and fled in a bid to avoid being held accountable, not realizing they would not find the fire without his help.

Scenario #2: A vandal, possibly working on the construction crew, was attempting a deliberate prank or political act but did not intend for it to get this far.