Quote: (02-16-2019 05:29 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Quote: (01-27-2019 02:15 PM)jasond Wrote:  

The food quality in Poland is terrible, so there isn't even an option for quick, healthy meals. The country is now rich enough to afford western junk food, but not yet rich enough for healthy grocery stores to exist (something like Whole Foods, etc). Contrast that to the Netherlands, for instance, where affordable healthy food options are everywhere. So in Western countries, the top 5% of smart people who want to live a healthy lifestyle can do so. In Poland, it's quite difficult.

Have you guys never heard of farmer's markets? They sell fresh produce, just like Whole Foods, but at less than half the price. In fact, this is how most people bought their food 100 years ago. While I have not been to Poland, I know that when visiting the Baltics there were plenty of farmer's markets with people selling produce from their gardens, honey from their own hives, and even smoked meats and cheeses. According to Google, Warsaw has at least four prominent farmer's markets (and probably many more smaller neighborhood ones).

The problem with farmer's markets is that you have to cook and prepare the foods yourself. Some of us like myself don't enjoy cooking, or are too lazy. What Poland lacks is healthy, prepared, ready-to-eat foods for busy people.

Quote: (02-17-2019 11:33 AM)jasond Wrote:  

Quote: (02-16-2019 05:29 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Quote: (01-27-2019 02:15 PM)jasond Wrote:  

The food quality in Poland is terrible, so there isn't even an option for quick, healthy meals. The country is now rich enough to afford western junk food, but not yet rich enough for healthy grocery stores to exist (something like Whole Foods, etc). Contrast that to the Netherlands, for instance, where affordable healthy food options are everywhere. So in Western countries, the top 5% of smart people who want to live a healthy lifestyle can do so. In Poland, it's quite difficult.

Have you guys never heard of farmer's markets? They sell fresh produce, just like Whole Foods, but at less than half the price. In fact, this is how most people bought their food 100 years ago. While I have not been to Poland, I know that when visiting the Baltics there were plenty of farmer's markets with people selling produce from their gardens, honey from their own hives, and even smoked meats and cheeses. According to Google, Warsaw has at least four prominent farmer's markets (and probably many more smaller neighborhood ones).

The problem with farmer's markets is that you have to cook and prepare the foods yourself. Some of us like myself don't enjoy cooking, or are too lazy. What Poland lacks is healthy, prepared, ready-to-eat foods for busy people.

Well, at the risk of going off-topic, I can tell you -- as someone who does eat healthy -- that processed foods, by definition, are denatured and therefore not healthy. You go to a farmer's market and you buy greens, carrots, radishes, tomatoes, celery, peppers, and other vegetables. You then make a salad every day for lunch. Healthy meal. No cooking involved.

Unless you are talking about the lack of restaurants with healthy food. But if you eat at restaurants in Poland, you are already well ahead of the U.S., where there is glyphosate in 70% of the food supply, GMO Franken-food, and genetically modified dwarf wheat (which means almost none of the flour is edible).

When I was in the Baltics, I was able to eat all kinds of food that I am unable to eat in the U.S. without any issues. In fact, before my trip, my doctor (who is also gluten-sensitive) told me that, based on his own experience, that was very likely. He, like me, cannot eat gluten in the U.S., but he has taken trips to Spain and France and never had a problem. Dairy can also be healthy if the products are made with raw milk, instead of denatured milk.

You guys just do not know the definition of healthy. For example, real natural bread (aside from not containing glyphosate or GMO products) should only have four or five natural ingredients (wheat flour, yeast, salt, and water). That is the type of bread that I ate in the Baltics without any problems. By contrast, here is a typical American bread:

   

You guys can eat healthy in Poland. You just need to educate yourself as to the definition of healthy. For example, if you eat a salad most days for lunch made from items bought at a farmer's market and then eat dinner each night at a Polish restaurant eating locally-sourced or Euro-sourced bread, dairy, pork, and beer -- that is a really healthy diet (although it would not be a healthy diet in the U.S.).

I've been living off cheap cuts of beef and pork from Biedronka these past 2 weeks in Warsaw. Biedronka because Carrefour cuts of meat aren't made for the pan. Tail Gunner, where are these farmer's markets? I can't seem to find much info about which are the good ones.

Quote: (02-16-2019 11:25 PM)Sleek2b Wrote:  

Quote: (02-16-2019 05:48 PM)Pokerbaby Wrote:  

Quote: (02-16-2019 05:29 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Quote: (01-27-2019 02:15 PM)jasond Wrote:  

The food quality in Poland is terrible, so there isn't even an option for quick, healthy meals. The country is now rich enough to afford western junk food, but not yet rich enough for healthy grocery stores to exist (something like Whole Foods, etc). Contrast that to the Netherlands, for instance, where affordable healthy food options are everywhere. So in Western countries, the top 5% of smart people who want to live a healthy lifestyle can do so. In Poland, it's quite difficult.

Have you guys never heard of farmer's markets? They sell fresh produce, just like Whole Foods, but at less than half the price. In fact, this is how most people bought their food 100 years ago. While I have not been to Poland, I know that when visiting the Baltics there were plenty of farmer's markets with people selling produce from their gardens, honey from their own hives, and even smoked meats and cheeses. According to Google, Warsaw has at least four prominent farmer's markets (and probably many more smaller neighborhood ones).

The Supermarkets are fine. Plenty of healthy, locally grown fruits and vegetables with less Pesticides and Genetic mods than in the USA for sure. Lean ground meats and fresh whole wheat breads.

Sure there are fast food places but you can just avoid them.

I also think some of the Skinniness is just genetics..Western Europeans of all kinds eat a lot of shit and always have.

Do you live here?
Maybe for the fruits... but the meat is shit as fuck.
Finding anything below 15% fat is almost impossible
Somethime I find 5% minced beaf at Piotr i Pawel but that's it.

Wow, same guys (except maybe for Jasond who seems to be new at this) keep complaining about Poland... and they are either still here or somehow continues to be back (Giacomo Casanova) And reasons for complaining are getting more and more ridiculous. At least someone foreign (so they won't be accused of defending Poland because of their nationality) replied, thanks guys.

@Sleek2b
http://www.ilewazy.pl/udo-z-kurczaka-bez-skory
http://www.ilewazy.pl/kawalek-udzca-z-indyka-bez-skory

Two links above are for calories with thighs meat from chicken (1st) and turkey (2nd), much tastier than breasts and still with under 10% fat. You can buy it in every supermarket, usually packed (Lidl/Biedronka), but Kaufland/Milla/Piotr&Pawel and maybe one-two more will have it available in open stand which is IMO better option.

Farmer markets are also highly reccomended, I live in Warsaw area and have very good one nearby open three times per week. Anyone in the area, especially ones who can cook meals from the scratch, who wants to take a short trip feel free to PM me

I would also say that "ready meals" that Jasond have written about are getting better recently, I think Lidl is having the best ones at the moment, company called "Skiba" does them quite well IMO, at least after trying them once and studying ingredients.

PS.
https://www.tabele-kalorii.pl/kalorie,Bu...stawa.html

Lidl have this burgers in their offer (Biedronka/Kaufland also has it, but produced by Sokolow) and they are decent enough IMO.

Quote: (02-17-2019 04:24 PM)WannaBang Wrote:  

Tail Gunner, where are these farmer's markets? I can't seem to find much info about which are the good ones.

I do not live in Poland. I am just saying that this is how many people buy their fresh produce in Europe. You will need to visit a few markets and determine which ones offer the freshest produce at the best prices. Also remember that farmer's markets are seasonal, so you might have slim pickings in February. Some markets may even close down, or offer limited items, until the next harvest (unless people are growing produce in their greenhouses). You may wish to PM whoishe and take him up on his offer.

https://www.yelp.com/search?cflt=farmers...1+Warszawa

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractions-...oland.html

Quote: (02-17-2019 04:44 PM)whoishe Wrote:  

Quote: (02-16-2019 11:25 PM)Sleek2b Wrote:  

Quote: (02-16-2019 05:48 PM)Pokerbaby Wrote:  

Quote: (02-16-2019 05:29 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Quote: (01-27-2019 02:15 PM)jasond Wrote:  

The food quality in Poland is terrible, so there isn't even an option for quick, healthy meals. The country is now rich enough to afford western junk food, but not yet rich enough for healthy grocery stores to exist (something like Whole Foods, etc). Contrast that to the Netherlands, for instance, where affordable healthy food options are everywhere. So in Western countries, the top 5% of smart people who want to live a healthy lifestyle can do so. In Poland, it's quite difficult.

Have you guys never heard of farmer's markets? They sell fresh produce, just like Whole Foods, but at less than half the price. In fact, this is how most people bought their food 100 years ago. While I have not been to Poland, I know that when visiting the Baltics there were plenty of farmer's markets with people selling produce from their gardens, honey from their own hives, and even smoked meats and cheeses. According to Google, Warsaw has at least four prominent farmer's markets (and probably many more smaller neighborhood ones).

The Supermarkets are fine. Plenty of healthy, locally grown fruits and vegetables with less Pesticides and Genetic mods than in the USA for sure. Lean ground meats and fresh whole wheat breads.

Sure there are fast food places but you can just avoid them.

I also think some of the Skinniness is just genetics..Western Europeans of all kinds eat a lot of shit and always have.

Do you live here?
Maybe for the fruits... but the meat is shit as fuck.
Finding anything below 15% fat is almost impossible
Somethime I find 5% minced beaf at Piotr i Pawel but that's it.

Wow, same guys (except maybe for Jasond who seems to be new at this) keep complaining about Poland... and they are either still here or somehow continues to be back (Giacomo Casanova) And reasons for complaining are getting more and more ridiculous. At least someone foreign (so they won't be accused of defending Poland because of their nationality) replied, thanks guys.

@Sleek2b
http://www.ilewazy.pl/udo-z-kurczaka-bez-skory
http://www.ilewazy.pl/kawalek-udzca-z-indyka-bez-skory

Two links above are for calories with thighs meat from chicken (1st) and turkey (2nd), much tastier than breasts and still with under 10% fat. You can buy it in every supermarket, usually packed (Lidl/Biedronka), but Kaufland/Milla/Piotr&Pawel and maybe one-two more will have it available in open stand which is IMO better option.

Farmer markets are also highly reccomended, I live in Warsaw area and have very good one nearby open three times per week. Anyone in the area, especially ones who can cook meals from the scratch, who wants to take a short trip feel free to PM me

I would also say that "ready meals" that Jasond have written about are getting better recently, I think Lidl is having the best ones at the moment, company called "Skiba" does them quite well IMO, at least after trying them once and studying ingredients.

PS.
https://www.tabele-kalorii.pl/kalorie,Bu...stawa.html

Lidl have this burgers in their offer (Biedronka/Kaufland also has it, but produced by Sokolow) and they are decent enough IMO.

Chicken or turkey gonna be low fat and ok... as pretty much anywhere tbh.
When I am talking meat, I am talking red meat. The quality in Poland is poor mostly I think because people like to cook it as goulash or in sauce dishes. Even going to a butcher, the red meat is either tough or full of fat.
Overall food quality is okay. Dairy products are some of the best in Europe (especially yogurts and cream)

Farmer market is a good idea though, thank you for sharing it. I live outside Gdansk so not sure it is convenient

Quote: (02-17-2019 06:41 PM)Sleek2b Wrote:  

Farmer market is a good idea though, thank you for sharing it. I live outside Gdansk so not sure it is convenient

Not sure how its abroad with getting low fat minced red meat, but at least in Poland only possibility it seems to be minced meat from szynka wieprzowa (pork ham parts?), two examples here:

https://www.tabele-kalorii.pl/kalorie,Ch...Kania.html

https://potreningu.pl/kitchen/products/2...aina-miesa

Also, "biodrowka" (have no idea how to say it exactly in English, but "biodro=hip") seems to be the leanest part of pork, dont think you can buy minced version packaged, but some of the butchers could possibly minced it on your request (never asked about it though) - https://www.tabele-kalorii.pl/kalorie,Bi...rzowa.html

PS. Never been checking for farmers market in 3-city (or outside, but could ask if necessary), but for example based on Google comments "Elbląska Rynek" in Gdansk at Zawodnikow 80 street (close to speedway stadium of Wybrzeze Gdansk) seems decent.

Quote: (02-17-2019 06:55 PM)whoishe Wrote:  

Not sure how its abroad with getting low fat minced red meat

This is exactly what I mean about knowing the definition of "healthy." If you buy meat from animals treated with anti-biotics, hormones, and they eat unnatural foods, such as grain (when they should eat grass), then yes -- you are right to be concerned with the fat content and you should throw away the fat. Why? Because in animals, just as in humans, the fat is the storage area for toxins -- and those animal will have a ton of toxins stored in their fat.

But if you buy meat that is from pasture-raised grass-fed animals raised naturally without anti-biotics or hormones, then the fat is very healthy -- and you should find ways to eat it, because it is good for you. I buy only grass-fed beef in the U.S. -- and I always save the fat and find ways to eat it.

In short: if you buy garbage, then buy low-fat meat and throw the fat away. If you buy quality meat, do not worry about the fat content and eat all the healthy fat, because it is good for you.

I have no idea what the meat industry is like in Poland -- or whether it is overrun by the pharmaceutical industry as it is in the U.S. -- but if you can buy your meat directly from small local farmers then it is likely of good quality. In other words, do not judge meat by its fat content but by its quality.

I must admit that the one area where Europe is far ahead of the U.S. is in maintaining food quality.

Quote: (02-17-2019 07:17 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

Quote: (02-17-2019 06:55 PM)whoishe Wrote:  

Not sure how its abroad with getting low fat minced red meat

This is exactly what I mean about knowing the definition of "healthy." If you buy meat from animals treated with anti-biotics, hormones, and they eat unnatural foods, such as grain (when they should eat grass), then yes -- you are right to be concerned with the fat content and you should throw away the fat. Why? Because in animals, just as in humans, the fat is the storage area for toxins -- and those animal will have a ton of toxins stored in their fat.

But if you buy meat that is from pasture-raised grass-fed animals raised naturally without anti-biotics or hormones, then the fat is very healthy -- and you should find ways to eat it, because it is good for you. I buy only grass-fed beef in the U.S. -- and I always save the fat and find ways to eat it.

In short: if you buy garbage, then buy low-fat meat and throw the fat away. If you buy quality meat, do not worry about the fat content and eat all the healthy fat, because it is good for you.

I have no idea what the meat industry is like in Poland -- or whether it is overrun by the pharmaceutical industry as it is in the U.S. -- but if you can buy your meat directly from small local farmers then it is likely of good quality. In other words, do not judge meat by its fat content but by its quality.

I must admit that the one area where Europe is far ahead of the U.S. is in maintaining food quality.

Regarding bolded part - that was my first reaction too, but I am already quite confrontational in this thread, so decided to leave it actually

Also, I once was told/read that at least in turkey/chicken the most infected part of their meat is skin, which is what Im avoiding in general. Today I;ve actually had baked duck for dinner (homemade, but meat was bought in supermarket), so I took off skin as well.

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Gents, I'm afraid that the love of meat, in particular red meat, has a high price - just first article from the top of my head:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/ma...s-sausages

From what I've learnt, the best thing is to stay away from red meat, or if you really have to, eat as little processed as possible. Bacon is the worst of them all. If it looks pink, it's not meat anymore anyway. Non-processed meat is dull-greyish in colour. Substitute with lean meats, poultry seems the safest option. The above is not my opinion, all learnt from either academic research or publication in the press (verified further down the line).

Quote: (02-18-2019 09:07 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

Gents, I'm afraid that the love of meat, in particular red meat, has a high price - just first article from the top of my head:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/ma...s-sausages

From what I've learnt, the best thing is to stay away from red meat, or if you really have to, eat as little processed as possible. Bacon is the worst of them all. If it looks pink, it's not meat anymore anyway. Non-processed meat is dull-greyish in colour. Substitute with lean meats, poultry seems the safest option. The above is not my opinion, all learnt from either academic research or publication in the press (verified further down the line).

THeres always a study to contradict another study.

https://ketogasm.com/the-bacon-experiment-interview/

Quote: (02-18-2019 09:07 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

Gents, I'm afraid that the love of meat, in particular red meat, has a high price - just first article from the top of my head:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/ma...s-sausages

From what I've learnt, the best thing is to stay away from red meat, or if you really have to, eat as little processed as possible. Bacon is the worst of them all. If it looks pink, it's not meat anymore anyway. Non-processed meat is dull-greyish in colour. Substitute with lean meats, poultry seems the safest option. The above is not my opinion, all learnt from either academic research or publication in the press (verified further down the line).

Quoting the Guardian.

I think it's a conspiracy to turn men into feeble soyboys, they've hit us with the "red meat will kill you" angle, and also "you're killing the planet". After all, weak men are agreeable men.

I eat meat with almost every meal, and a lot of it, I have never been healthier. I also look considerably younger than I am, when people ask what's my secret, I tell them "meat" even since I was a child I ate a lot of it, Spaghetti Bolognese, Steak and Chips are my two favourite meals - unbeatable IMO.

Jordan Peterson only eats red meat and salt FFS, he said that he health has been transformed.

Quote: (02-18-2019 10:12 AM)HD668B Wrote:  

Quote: (02-18-2019 09:07 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

Gents, I'm afraid that the love of meat, in particular red meat, has a high price - just first article from the top of my head:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/ma...s-sausages

From what I've learnt, the best thing is to stay away from red meat, or if you really have to, eat as little processed as possible. Bacon is the worst of them all. If it looks pink, it's not meat anymore anyway. Non-processed meat is dull-greyish in colour. Substitute with lean meats, poultry seems the safest option. The above is not my opinion, all learnt from either academic research or publication in the press (verified further down the line).

THeres always a study to contradict another study.

https://ketogasm.com/the-bacon-experiment-interview/

You are 100% incorrect. It is apparent to any thinking man who actually takes the time to read the two articles that the studies do not contradict each other.

1) This is the main takeaway of the first article, provided in the opening summary:

Quote:Quote:

Decades’ worth of research proves that chemicals used to make bacon do cause cancer.

2) Although you must actually read the second article to ascertain all the facts, this is the key fact in the second article:

Quote:Quote:

When I ate only bacon for 30 days, I made sure it was the highest quality stuff I could find. It was pasture raised, antibiotic free, non-GMO and steroid free. It was also $11 – $12 per pound.

3) Although I already discussed this point in several previous posts, I will make this as simple as possible, so that even a child can understand it:

Bad Meat Unhealthy -- Good Meat Healthy.

People need to learn to think for themselves and do their own research, rather than just consume headlines and talking points.

Quote: (02-18-2019 09:07 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

Gents, I'm afraid that the love of meat, in particular red meat, has a high price - just first article from the top of my head:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/ma...s-sausages

From what I've learnt, the best thing is to stay away from red meat, or if you really have to, eat as little processed as possible. Bacon is the worst of them all. If it looks pink, it's not meat anymore anyway. Non-processed meat is dull-greyish in colour. Substitute with lean meats, poultry seems the safest option. The above is not my opinion, all learnt from either academic research or publication in the press (verified further down the line).

Go look up the studies backing the carnivore diet.

Better yet look up the massive amount of anecdotal evidence that people are reporting huge strides in regaining their health after years of trying different diets.

So this thread has now officially gone from the Poland meat-market thread to simply the meat thread? Well, trying to get this thread back on topic:

   

   

newsbreak

Bad food unhealthy --- Good food healthy

Well that was a though one.

The point I was trying to make is that bacon, and fat in general, has a really bad reputation. In reality the opposite is true, especially for males.

You should check out the book The Big Fat Lie.

I got a nice piece of Polish meat recently. Finally got my flag after countless near misses, and it was a damn good one. From Poznan.

That is the only meat that matters...

Quote: (02-18-2019 03:32 PM)HD668B Wrote:  

The point I was trying to make is that bacon, and fat in general, has a really bad reputation. In reality the opposite is true, especially for males.

You are still not grasping the concept.

-- Unhealthy vegetables (i.e., those laden with pesticides or that are GMO) are bad for you. Healthy vegetables are good for you.
-- Unhealthy women (those with mental problems or other issues) are bad for a LTR or marriage. Healthy women are good for men.
-- Unhealthy meat (i.e., with hormones, anti-biotics, additives, etc.) is bad for you. Healthy naturally-raised meat is good for you.
-- Processed bacon is bad for you. Bacon that is pasture raised, anti-biotic free, non-GMO, and steroid free is good for you. (But how many men eat that?)

Like almost all things in life:

Quality Matters!

Quote: (02-18-2019 03:58 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

I got a nice piece of Polish meat recently. Finally got my flag after countless near misses, and it was a damn good one. From Poznan.

That is the only meat that matters...

Lol agreed. How's Poznan in the winter tho? Weather and gaming wise, is it still worth going? I'm thinking of doing a short trip sometime in May.

Quote: (02-18-2019 03:58 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

I got a nice piece of Polish meat recently. Finally got my flag after countless near misses, and it was a damn good one. From Poznan.

That is the only meat that matters...

Wait you got multiple UKR flags before your first PL one? That is something never heard of. A feat by itself.

Quote: (02-19-2019 07:28 AM)HD668B Wrote:  

Quote: (02-18-2019 03:58 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

I got a nice piece of Polish meat recently. Finally got my flag after countless near misses, and it was a damn good one. From Poznan.

That is the only meat that matters...

Wait you got multiple UKR flags before your first PL one? That is something never heard of. A feat by itself.

Yes indeed. My last time in Poland was in winter 2014 (because of Euromaidan), I spent around 10 days in Warszawa and was not very lucky. I was there later twice but was only passing by (1-2 days max), and also could do nothing.

After that met and dated at least 5 polski in Lisbon and also never could get pass the kisses, even some I went out with them 4/5 times and was always the same blue ball outcome...

A feat indeed, I always thought I had some kind of Polish curse. But it finally ended. Could be because I am light skinned and haired, not the typical Latin lover, could be because I never cracked the code of Polish girls efficiently, or could be because I could have been too easternized in my behaviour and treated them like I was dealing with an Ukrainian...I guess was maybe a mix of all.

I would add another reason if Rocha allows me to kick the topic: let's not joke, the difference in terms of easiness, femminity, westernization and attitude is now extreme between UKR and PL girls. If in Poland on average a foreigner is now dating down 1 point if he is lucky, in Ukraine the same foreigner might date up 1 point. Additionally I guess that Rocha was successful in Lisbon and not in Poznan. When abroad dynamics might slightly change.

Can anyone recommend so good nightlife spots for Tuesday?

I know most of the weekday night life spots mentioned are on Wednesday and Thursdays.

Cheers