In my short visits to Southern Europe and having met a lot of women from that part of the world, I would agree with the sentiment earlier in the thread that the quality is lacking compared to other parts of Europe. While I have definitely met some stunners from Spain, I'd say Italy probably takes the cake for having the least attractive women in all of Europe when both looks and personality are concerned. Strangely enough I have met better looking Italian women born and raised in the western world (Italian American and Canadian women of that heritage) than women right out of Italy.

I have a theory about all of this though, countries and cultures where the local men are more aggressive towards tourist women (Southern Europe being a great example) in general have uglier women. The local men are tired of dealing with such low quality that as soon as a tourist comes along they are swarming her and trying to lock her down.

It goes even for places anywhere in the world despite culture where the local women are generally low value.

Compare this with guys from more tame cultures who don't cold approach as aggressively, they have no need to do it because they are spoiled with beautiful women in their vicinity and in many cases tourist women could be a step down.

San Trancisco

It’s rare to find anything above a 3/10 out there.

Hawaii. I lived on the Big Island for a year. More butterfaces than any place I've ever been. You see them from behind, the long dark hair blowing in the breeze, skimpy outfits, your mind goes to all the tourism ads with beautiful hula girls, but when you get up close it's shocking how ugly they are. Short shelf life also. You have to get in there while they're very young, it doesn't last long. That's native Hawaiian girls. Some of the California haole hippie types are okay if you can put up with the attitude. Usually I don't say negative things about a whole ethnic minority group, Hawaiians ​are the exception. You couldn't pay me to live there again.

Taiwan. Full of girls with bad teeth and no curves.

Quote: (03-29-2011 10:44 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

If I had a dollar for every guy who has never been to DC posting some "study" that says it's the best for singles.....

Best for female singles maybe?

Quote: (01-20-2019 02:34 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

In my short visits to Southern Europe and having met a lot of women from that part of the world, I would agree with the sentiment earlier in the thread that the quality is lacking compared to other parts of Europe. While I have definitely met some stunners from Spain, I'd say Italy probably takes the cake for having the least attractive women in all of Europe when both looks and personality are concerned. Strangely enough I have met better looking Italian women born and raised in the western world (Italian American and Canadian women of that heritage) than women right out of Italy.

I have a theory about all of this though, countries and cultures where the local men are more aggressive towards tourist women (Southern Europe being a great example) in general have uglier women. The local men are tired of dealing with such low quality that as soon as a tourist comes along they are swarming her and trying to lock her down.

It goes even for places anywhere in the world despite culture where the local women are generally low value.

Compare this with guys from more tame cultures who don't cold approach as aggressively, they have no need to do it because they are spoiled with beautiful women in their vicinity and in many cases tourist women could be a step down.

Spanish guys and especially Italians bang anything that moves. Bring aggressive has nothing to do with their "standards". The problem is that most of them are not getting any on a consistent basis...In place like EE where long term relationships are common the guys get laid a lot more.

Exactly right. Italian men are really thirsty and consider every blonde girl abroad like a super hot goddess. This is due to the fact that they like girls with opposite looks than themselves and don't get laid back in their hometown, so when they are for example in EE jaunts they chase everything that breathes.

Guys from southern Italy in this regard are some of the horniest ever encountered. They go on dates with every fucking dumpster they match on tinder in EE and keep going for +1 despite the ultra-low quality of these skanks. They feel satisfied since at least they are getting laid vs being in sexless starvation mode back home.

When you ask them '' how is she looks wise? '' they show you the best photo of the girl they have, where she applied heavy Photoshop filters. These guys are losers and have self esteem problems, plus they try to save money on everything except pussy, living in very sad condition in some EE shithole... But hey, back home they will keep telling their friends how many models they have fucked

Quote: (01-18-2019 05:40 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Cebu, Phillipines.

Only place I ever been where I could walk up in a bar on a weekend night and be "there's not a single bitch I'd fuck here."

Il Bersa and I had a blast people watching.

I could imagine that and I've had the same experience. Living in Cebu for over 3 years, I figured out that most of the bars and nightclubs are almost exclusively populated by hookers, who are oddly almost always far less attractive than normal women (possibly as a result of using "shabu," which is Filipino meth) and "bayuts" (gay guys - this means both regular gay guys and trannies) who are also very often hookers. I had a hooker follow me home from a club and bite one of my friends on the collarbone once (she drew blood) because he and our other friends distracted her while I disappeared (she did not know which apartment was mine). Found out later that she was on meth.

There are lots of attractive normal women in Cebu but they typically will not go to bars and clubs, especially not alone. There are always 2 or 3 specific clubs/bars where attractive normal girls are known to go (which specific venues these are changes with time) but, even then, they usually do not go alone but either with a male or with a group that you will have to get her away from (I've done this but it's annoying). I got bored with bars and clubs pretty quickly and stopped going to them.

Like in Manila, the majority of clubs are sausage fests with music so loud that you may seriously damage your ears by being in them. Also like Manila, the few high-end clubs in town are still sausage fests but the few girls you will find there can tend to be more attractive (you will have to compete within that environment with local elites and other foreigners though so it can feel very much like a typical Western club). I've been to clubs where the entrance fee was 500 pesos and other clubs where it was 10 pesos (one of which got raided by the cops while I was in it - I offered one of them a beer but he declined - they didn't mess with me but did take their payment from the apparent brothel next door which I did not go to) and this is what I have noticed.

Greek and Portugese girls are ugly to average.

Meaning that girls in Greece and Portugal are uglier than in countries bordering them.

Not surprising btw but just stating it.

It is maybe anatolian genes that make in average modern greek girls uglier because historically they are a mix of balkan people.

As for Italian girls, everyone is entitled to his opinion but I dont think they are so ugly, like some guys are making them.

There are plenty of cute ones. After all is a country of 58 million people.

Quote: (01-20-2019 10:55 PM)GoingHAM20 Wrote:  

San Trancisco

It’s rare to find anything above a 3/10 out there.

Thread said surprisingly ugly girls, not obviously ugly lol.

Quote: (01-21-2019 05:38 PM)GillesDeleuze Wrote:  

Exactly right. Italian men are really thirsty and consider every blonde girl abroad like a super hot goddess. This is due to the fact that they like girls with opposite looks than themselves and don't get laid back in their hometown, so when they are for example in EE jaunts they chase everything that breathes.

Guys from southern Italy in this regard are some of the horniest ever encountered. They go on dates with every fucking dumpster they match on tinder in EE and keep going for +1 despite the ultra-low quality of these skanks. They feel satisfied since at least they are getting laid vs being in sexless starvation mode back home.

When you ask them '' how is she looks wise? '' they show you the best photo of the girl they have, where she applied heavy Photoshop filters. These guys are losers and have self esteem problems, plus they try to save money on everything except pussy, living in very sad condition in some EE shithole... But hey, back home they will keep telling their friends how many models they have fucked

Bold is also true for Italian women, especially southern Italian. I hear from an Italian friend that Southern Italians are the lowest of the low in Italy due to their darker complexion and as a result the women themselves are hungry to get with any man that is whiter than her.

I know this forum gives Middle Eastern men and to a lesser extent black and Indian men the reputation for being aggressive with women but from my experience, the one differentiator between Italian men compared to other kinds of white men is the fact that Italian men can get borderline rapey. I've known a couple girls, particularly blondes, who have been stalked and harassed by one.

The other thing I notice with Italian men whether from Italy or Italian American is the significant envy they get whenever they see other Mediterranean men (particularly the Spaniards who are far more desired than them) and especially minorities get white women. A couple of black guys I am friends with clean up with the blonde haired beauties, lets say that while most Euro and white men could care less, Italian men go full rage mode when they see it.

Lots of shit going on with that culture tbh, its why I only go for Italian women if they were born and raised in the Anglo world. Plus they tend to be more attractive than the locals from what I have seen.

Quote: (03-28-2011 11:10 PM)Hokie30 Wrote:  

Washington, DC USA has ugly women for such a large/diverse city. Also, the ratio is so bad here that it seems like even the overweight women don't need to compete at all to get male's attention as they realise that guy's are desperate.

My same thoughts on every west coast city (except for Los Angeles)

Quote: (01-20-2019 02:34 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

In my short visits to Southern Europe and having met a lot of women from that part of the world, I would agree with the sentiment earlier in the thread that the quality is lacking compared to other parts of Europe. While I have definitely met some stunners from Spain, I'd say Italy probably takes the cake for having the least attractive women in all of Europe when both looks and personality are concerned. Strangely enough I have met better looking Italian women born and raised in the western world (Italian American and Canadian women of that heritage) than women right out of Italy.

I have a theory about all of this though, countries and cultures where the local men are more aggressive towards tourist women (Southern Europe being a great example) in general have uglier women. The local men are tired of dealing with such low quality that as soon as a tourist comes along they are swarming her and trying to lock her down.

It goes even for places anywhere in the world despite culture where the local women are generally low value.

Compare this with guys from more tame cultures who don't cold approach as aggressively, they have no need to do it because they are spoiled with beautiful women in their vicinity and in many cases tourist women could be a step down.

A project manager at a European company I worked for was from Spain. She was a ballbuster, mid-forties, no kids, long-term boyfriend who was about as passive and soy-enthusiastic as you could expect. This woman was so ball-shaped and hideous I sincerely do not know how her boyfriend managed to fuck her. Like bro. Even if you close your eyes and imagine some hot chick you miraculously managed to fuck twenty years ago, your bitch has a mustache and a belly made of cottage cheese. You are going to get that wake up call before you nut. You are fucking a hairy beanbag chair.

How?

Peru was surprisingly terrible. Costa Rica similar.

Quote: (01-26-2019 12:11 AM)Buddydowrongright2 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-20-2019 02:34 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

In my short visits to Southern Europe and having met a lot of women from that part of the world, I would agree with the sentiment earlier in the thread that the quality is lacking compared to other parts of Europe. While I have definitely met some stunners from Spain, I'd say Italy probably takes the cake for having the least attractive women in all of Europe when both looks and personality are concerned. Strangely enough I have met better looking Italian women born and raised in the western world (Italian American and Canadian women of that heritage) than women right out of Italy.

I have a theory about all of this though, countries and cultures where the local men are more aggressive towards tourist women (Southern Europe being a great example) in general have uglier women. The local men are tired of dealing with such low quality that as soon as a tourist comes along they are swarming her and trying to lock her down.

It goes even for places anywhere in the world despite culture where the local women are generally low value.

Compare this with guys from more tame cultures who don't cold approach as aggressively, they have no need to do it because they are spoiled with beautiful women in their vicinity and in many cases tourist women could be a step down.

A project manager at a European company I worked for was from Spain. She was a ballbuster, mid-forties, no kids, long-term boyfriend who was about as passive and soy-enthusiastic as you could expect. This woman was so ball-shaped and hideous I sincerely do not know how her boyfriend managed to fuck her. Like bro. Even if you close your eyes and imagine some hot chick you miraculously managed to fuck twenty years ago, your bitch has a mustache and a belly made of cottage cheese. You are going to get that wake up call before you nut. You are fucking a hairy beanbag chair.

How?

I think you answered your own question, hes probably a beta male who thinks this is the best he can get so he settles for her, hard to imagine I know.

Quote: (01-26-2019 12:11 AM)Buddydowrongright2 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-20-2019 02:34 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

In my short visits to Southern Europe and having met a lot of women from that part of the world, I would agree with the sentiment earlier in the thread that the quality is lacking compared to other parts of Europe. While I have definitely met some stunners from Spain, I'd say Italy probably takes the cake for having the least attractive women in all of Europe when both looks and personality are concerned. Strangely enough I have met better looking Italian women born and raised in the western world (Italian American and Canadian women of that heritage) than women right out of Italy.

I have a theory about all of this though, countries and cultures where the local men are more aggressive towards tourist women (Southern Europe being a great example) in general have uglier women. The local men are tired of dealing with such low quality that as soon as a tourist comes along they are swarming her and trying to lock her down.

It goes even for places anywhere in the world despite culture where the local women are generally low value.

Compare this with guys from more tame cultures who don't cold approach as aggressively, they have no need to do it because they are spoiled with beautiful women in their vicinity and in many cases tourist women could be a step down.

A project manager at a European company I worked for was from Spain. She was a ballbuster, mid-forties, no kids, long-term boyfriend who was about as passive and soy-enthusiastic as you could expect. This woman was so ball-shaped and hideous I sincerely do not know how her boyfriend managed to fuck her. Like bro. Even if you close your eyes and imagine some hot chick you miraculously managed to fuck twenty years ago, your bitch has a mustache and a belly made of cottage cheese. You are going to get that wake up call before you nut. You are fucking a hairy beanbag chair.

How?

Makes me wonder where the whole Mediterranean men having high value thought comes from, it seems like Northern European men from places like Holland, Germany and Scandinavia are the most in-demand as far as European men are concerned.

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Italian men can get borderline rapey.
I've known a couple girls, particularly blondes, who have been stalked and harassed by one.

"Believe WOMYN" and welcome to the forum.

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A couple of black guys I am friends with clean up with the blonde haired beauties, lets say that while most Euro and white men could care less, Italian men go full rage mode when they see it.

So they aren't as cucked, which is bad. Makes them rapey. Warn your tokens about Guido in case he runs out of macaroni and gets real arrabbiata.

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Lots of shit going on with that culture tbh,

And their food sucks too.

"I'm proud to be an American …"

China. I was there for 3 months 10 years ago and saw maybe one WB. This was in Guangzhou. Maybe Shanghai is better.

Districts with a lot of political lefties in some(!) german citites. The feminists there are going crazy these days, shaving their hair "as a sign against the patriarchy". I never asked, but i think thats what they want to represent.

Spain is for the most part pretty bad. Some gems are to be found in Andalusia and the Canaries but in the rest of the country and especially in Barcelona locals are awful. Lots of leftists, hippies and alternative chicks in Barcelona with short hair, tattoos, piercings, disgusting clothing style and lack of hygiene. It gives me the shivers just to think about them.

I absolutely don't find Oriental women attractive - but I can still find a few pretty ones (tall and skinny ones). I love Brazilian women ... so, after having traveling to over a 100 countries, I was blown away that in my 5 days in Portugal (Lisbon) I did not see a single attractive woman. Not even a 4. So Lisbon gets my award for ugliest AND surprisingly ugliest women on this planet.

Quote: (05-03-2011 08:53 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

Quote: (05-03-2011 08:31 AM)maestrobaires Wrote:  

chile, bolivia, greece, cyprus, india, denmark

Greece and Cyprus? Really?

I would have thought Greek girls were cute.

Most of the Greek girls are not good looking unfortunately.

Harvard, Stanford, Yale, Princeton-Ugly women everywhere.

I can't remember seeing one attractive local girl in all of my trips to Bulgaria. This applies to the capital city Sofia as well as to the coastal cities and towns and the smaller second and third tier inland cities.

And, even worse, the shopping malls of my hometown Munich especially when filled with mainly lower class immigrant girls and wives from the poorer parts of the city like the many Turkish/Arab/poor South Balkans countries/refugees from Africa and the Middle East girls and women that make up a large percentage of girls now in Munich. I already thought Munich was bad for eye candy when I was a late teenager and there were still a majority of white girls around, but these low-class girls that are around in unbelievable numbers by now are just so shockingly gross, ugly in their entire facial features and appeareance that it's making you want to throw up.

The better off expat girls and tourist girls from parts of the world with more beautiful girls, working corporate jobs in Munich or just here for a visit, are found in the city centre mostly and not that bad though.

We must have very different tastes. Just got back from Bulgaria and all the major cities had slim, cute, dark-featured women. I was impressed. The smoking was a major negative, however.

To answer original question- Brazil seemed a bit overhyped. Some stunners but the average wasn’t great.