Ok so Ive got a girl from tinder lined up and ready to hang out, problem is im not in the same situation as many of you guys who have your own place.

Please guide me on what to do here to reduce variables and get this bang asap before i head back to school

Girl seems pretty interested as she would often reply immediately to messages even after i would send them uoto 3 days later

Have a car? An open field? Park?

Quote: (08-29-2017 01:40 PM)Vet-Boy Wrote:  

Ok so Ive got a girl from tinder lined up and ready to hang out, problem is im not in the same situation as many of you guys who have your own place.

Please guide me on what to do here to reduce variables and get this bang asap before i head back to school

Girl seems pretty interested as she would often reply immediately to messages even after i would send them uoto 3 days later

Tell all your buddies she has hot slutty friends but youll only hook it up for whoever lends you a pad

I do have access to a car, but not to buddies who have their own house.

Right now im think watching that new annabelle horror movie, and then going to a park nearby the theatres to "explore" and just fool around on the play ground before escalating there.

Thoughts?

I think no matter what i do the girl has already decided whether or not we'll bang or not before the date. Its agonizing figuring out if she is down or not

I'd avoid playgrounds. Reason being is if you get caught, there could be a chance where you'd be convicted and have to register as a sex offender.

Quote: (08-29-2017 02:08 PM)Vet-Boy Wrote:  

I do have access to a car, but not to buddies who have their own house.

Right now im think watching that new annabelle horror movie, and then going to a park nearby the theatres to "explore" and just fool around on the play ground before escalating there.

Thoughts?

I think no matter what i do the girl has already decided whether or not we'll bang or not before the date. Its agonizing figuring out if she is down or not

Do all your friends live with their parents?...Im not busting on you...seriously just curious

@papayatapper Yeah, such is the reality as a teenager in suburbia

@Remington Even during the late evening or night hours?

Quote: (08-29-2017 02:33 PM)Vet-Boy Wrote:  

@papayatapper Yeah, such is the reality as a teenager in suburbia

Oh I see...Youre a teenager. Shit you should be able fuck in trash can...with the lid on and scaring the alley cats

True story....In highschool Id take dates to a local art house theater. It had a balcony that was "closed" and roped off with one of those velvet ropes. Id sneak chickies up there with a bottle of booze Id nick from my older brother and make an adventure out of it

Quote: (09-24-2013 09:01 PM)BlurredSevens Wrote:  

Afterwords, things are easy. She knows you don’t want a relationship, so she’ll leave you alone. Since you threw down, she will feel sexier than she has ever felt before. To her, these are the kinds of things that only happen in movies and 50 shades of gray books. She has no misgivings or regrets about sleeping with you, and has never had an experience like she has had with you. She is exhilarated, happy, and feels more empowered than any feminist literature could ever make her feel.

She’s in the palm of your hand from here. No need to text her or see her every week or try to save face by maintaining a mini-relationship. Just text the next day, say you had fun, make her feel good about it. Then you can hit her up whenever you want to see her again.

The most surprising thing about Zero Date Bangs, is that when the girl comes over, she is not attached to her iPhone. At all. She might check it once, but by and large it stays in her purse the entire night. I don’t know the reasoning, but it has held true for every girl that has walked through my door.

Big fan of this method (especially with online targets), but I can't say I agree with the iPhone remark or the consistent 'smooth sailing' post-bang behavior described. Even with recurring girls or new ones clearly DTF, the smartphone has become the modern third-wheel personified.

My results are varied even after dominating her sexually and consciously trying to calm her ASD (i.e. 'had a nice time' text the next day, etc.). Regardless if the sex and chemistry was strong, it's kind of a crapshoot if the girl disappears after banging on the first meet. My theories for this are one of the following or perhaps multiple:

- she prematurely rejects you to protect her ego
- she felt slutty after the act
- she just wanted a ONS from the get-go

This has been the case for one-venue drink bounces back to my place, or 'zero-date' fresh direct chicks. I've been able to pick up some signs lately they show the girl will ghost after (i.e. she states she doesn't want you to walk her down/to the subway, or she seems less warm towards the end of the interaction/how she says goodnight). "It was nice to meet you" is almost always a guaranteed ghost.

Big proponent of this strategy, it's extremely honest and is how I met my current GF -- she loved how direct and up front I was.

Personally I can't stand going on dates, trying to find common ground with some girl I have nothing in common with. My GF and I connected over how we both know what we want and go for it. We connected over not being ashamed of our sexuality (like hundreds of girls out there) and having sex respectfully (no retarded LMR, no bull shit "I'm not that kind of girl", no dishonest, irrational nonsense on either of our sides).

Great strategy and a great approach to sex in general. The 'fuck yes' or 'fuck no' approach.

Once the chick comes over, I typically have a 90%+ close rate. Last two who came over fresh direct didn't bang. Oof.

Quote: (04-04-2018 09:02 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  

Once the chick comes over, I typically have a 90%+ close rate. Last two who came over fresh direct didn't bang. Oof.

While my close rate for girls who come straight over is very high, I realized a few girls (over the last 2 years roughly- primarily dating app leads) who have come fresh direct didn't fuck and I never saw them again. All were strangely very compliant and easy to get to my place. Has anyone else experienced this? Could they all be grand cockteasers or chicks looking for a giant first date ego boost? Perhaps I wasn't what they expected based on my profile.

- Day game lead: College girl. Great chemistry and overlapping interests. Went for the kiss and she pulled away, claiming she had a boyfriend. Probably a giant shit test. Several months later, got her to come over a couple more times. Got close to sex but never did the deed.
- Tinder: Tall black chick who was far less attractive than her photos. Was awkward from minute one and the conversation flatlined. Did a hail mary and made it sexual. She left after about 20 mins.
- Bumble: Medicore early 20 something girl. Made out and I attempted to escalate further but she wasn't feeling it. Tried to turn the convo sexual and she told me she'd previously been someone's sub.
- CMB: 25 year old still in school from strict family. Shy and had hard time maintaining eye contact. Made out twice but she was uncomfortable moving further. Said it was 'too much for a first date'.
- Hinge: 29 year old. Good conversation but said she had to leave at a little over the one hour mark (I usually don't make a move until about an hour in). I then went in for the make out (her kissing was enthusiastic), but the switch had likely flipped/she probably made up her mind at that point. Unmatched me on the app later that night or next morning.

Quote: (04-06-2018 11:36 AM)Player_1337 Wrote:  

Quote: (04-04-2018 09:02 PM)Player_1337 Wrote:  

Once the chick comes over, I typically have a 90%+ close rate. Last two who came over fresh direct didn't bang. Oof.

While my close rate for girls who come straight over is very high, I realized a few girls (over the last 2 years roughly- primarily dating app leads) who have come fresh direct didn't fuck and I never saw them again. All were strangely very compliant and easy to get to my place. Has anyone else experienced this? Could they all be grand cockteasers or chicks looking for a giant first date ego boost? Perhaps I wasn't what they expected based on my profile.

- Day game lead: College girl. Great chemistry and overlapping interests. Went for the kiss and she pulled away, claiming she had a boyfriend. Probably a giant shit test. Several months later, got her to come over a couple more times. Got close to sex but never did the deed.
- Tinder: Tall black chick who was far less attractive than her photos. Was awkward from minute one and the conversation flatlined. Did a hail mary and made it sexual. She left after about 20 mins.
- Bumble: Medicore early 20 something girl. Made out and I attempted to escalate further but she wasn't feeling it. Tried to turn the convo sexual and she told me she'd previously been someone's sub.
- CMB: 25 year old still in school from strict family. Shy and had hard time maintaining eye contact. Made out twice but she was uncomfortable moving further. Said it was 'too much for a first date'.
- Hinge: 29 year old. Good conversation but said she had to leave at a little over the one hour mark (I usually don't make a move until about an hour in). I then went in for the make out (her kissing was enthusiastic), but the switch had likely flipped/she probably made up her mind at that point. Unmatched me on the app later that night or next morning.

I've experienced similar situations. Most of the time, the girls were sexually interested, but had sexual hangups that prevented them from acting on it. Most women are sexually repressed unfortunately. It's extremely rare however that a girl would go from DTF to full prude during the meetup solely due to my physical appearance (assuming the chicks are from the internet) unless you're a straight up catfish.

Keep in mind, you will never totally eliminate timewaster girls by using the ZDB strategy, but it's the best method at keeping them to an absolute minimum.

Could this possibly work in a high school setting? My friend has a apartment he barely uses and which i loan sometimes. Instead of hanging out the chick beforehand could i invite them over?

Does anyone has experience with zero data bang methods in EE countries, such as Ukraine, Serbia or Russia?

I had a first date lined up for last night. Originally, I was going to do the standard "bar within walking distance of my house" move, but after seeing this thread, I figured screw it, time for zero date bangs.

I originally met this girl on Tinder 2-3 weeks ago, we've been texting on/off since, including some late weekend "wyd" texts.

Earlier in the week, we exchanged schedules and decided Thursday night was good, but we didn't make any concrete plans.

Around 5 PM we were texting:

RB: "are you a beer or wine girl"
HB: 'beer"
RB: "cool, I have a few leftover Coronas from last night...come have some at 8:30"
HB: "I'm trapped in traffic!"
RB: "too bad the beer is all mine"
HB: "no!"
HB: "save me some"
HB: "what's your address"

She came over and we had drinks at my dining room table, then I moved us to the couch. We made out, then I took her to bed. She didn't want to have sex but she blew me and left.

Area to improve: do the "kiss and pullaway" like Blurred suggests. Even though I didn't instantly take things from zero to 100, I could've used a little more time post first kiss to open her up a bit.

------

Looking back, I realized I've done the zero date bang four times in my life.

With all of them, it was a similar situation. I meet the girl online, we continue texting for weeks, then finally meet.

Usually, we don't meet because I'm traveling for work. I have to think this adds to their attraction, so when I get back in town they're ready to jump my bones.

When you're communicating with a girl that much, it's natural for her to just come to your house. There's no need for a date, because it's assumed she's into you.

Quote: (07-21-2018 12:29 AM)petburi Wrote:  

Does anyone has experience with zero data bang methods in EE countries, such as Ukraine, Serbia or Russia?

Me and a couple of buddies have had experience with these two methods.

Method #1: social circle game - high school or college.
Use your slut radar and other people's information to single out slutty girls in your wider social circle or friends of friends.
Casually approach them at first, build up tension, start texting sexually, and invite them over. This is a process of 1-3 weeks.

Pro: easy, requires very little effort in time and energy on your part - sometimes it's enough to just drop a witty remark and tease her now and then over a period of a couple of weeks at the faculty, and you'll score once you invite her over. Don't wait too long, though.

Con: girls here generally being more prudish, you will not have that many options.

So, this method is easy per se, but is limited to what you have - there are not as many slutty girls here as there are in the West, but when you find one, it's very easy to score using this method. It requires only basic game - some teasing, negging etc., and being manly and concise in texting. It's perfect for a beginner, however, the biggest problem is luck, or the factor of (non-)existence of such a girl in your social circle.


Method #2: high roller, nightclub game. Technically it's a nightgame approach with a SNL, perhaps you could call it a 0.5 date bang.

This method requires only a couple of wingmen and some cash, but is so ridiculously easy in the Balkans that I almost consider it below me.
Almost.

You know about the turbofolk music phenomenon in the Balkans? Well, clubs which play that kind of music have abnormal concentrations of slutty, gold-digging, 7+ girls who are DTF.
(They also have abnormal concentrations of suited-up rich assholes who snort cocaine and want to fight; sportsuit-wearing rich assholes who snort cocaine and want to fight even more; etc. etc., but that's less important)

Step 1: go to a nightclub, get a table and a bottle of liquor
Step 2: wait about 5 minutes for hot girls to start approaching
Step 3: (optional) I would dismiss these first girls as they're primarily gold diggers who want free drinks. You still might score with them, but it's less probable.
Step 4: have a great time with your buddies, acquire a squad of hot girls around your table, socialize
Step 5: at your convenience, pick a girl you like and go to your place.

Pro: incredibly easy in the Balkans if you are from here/if you have decent local wingmen. You literally don't need to game them, it's enough to not have saliva running from your mouth or something. There is no easier way to find a DTF girl in the Balkans than in a turbofolk club on a Saturday night, period.

Con: you'll need to spend some money for bottle service; time organizing it with your buddies; a nice suit won't kill you.

Overall, it requires a greater commitment, but your options skyrocket compared to social circle slut-detecting game.

Quote: (10-05-2018 09:10 AM)BlackHussar Wrote:  

Method #2: high roller, nightclub game. Technically it's a nightgame approach with a SNL, perhaps you could call it a 0.5 date bang.

This method requires only a couple of wingmen and some cash, but is so ridiculously easy in the Balkans that I almost consider it below me.
Almost.

You know about the turbofolk music phenomenon in the Balkans? Well, clubs which play that kind of music have abnormal concentrations of slutty, gold-digging, 7+ girls who are DTF.
(They also have abnormal concentrations of suited-up rich assholes who snort cocaine and want to fight; sportsuit-wearing rich assholes who snort cocaine and want to fight even more; etc. etc., but that's less important)

Step 1: go to a nightclub, get a table and a bottle of liquor
Step 2: wait about 5 minutes for hot girls to start approaching
Step 3: (optional) I would dismiss these first girls as they're primarily gold diggers who want free drinks. You still might score with them, but it's less probable.
Step 4: have a great time with your buddies, acquire a squad of hot girls around your table, socialize
Step 5: at your convenience, pick a girl you like and go to your place.

Pro: incredibly easy in the Balkans if you are from here/if you have decent local wingmen. You literally don't need to game them, it's enough to not have saliva running from your mouth or something. There is no easier way to find a DTF girl in the Balkans than in a turbofolk club on a Saturday night, period.

Con: you'll need to spend some money for bottle service; time organizing it with your buddies; a nice suit won't kill you.

Overall, it requires a greater commitment, but your options skyrocket compared to social circle slut-detecting game.

Curious about where in the Balkans? Have you tried this or is this theory?

It's not a theory, I did both, and I know 10 other guys who practice these methods.

It works for sure in all ex-Yugoslav states because there are turbofolk clubs and culture in all of them; while also probably in Bulgaria, Greece, Albania, Kosovo, and Romania because they also have their own Balkanic mainstream pop-folk, together with all the good stuff it brings (alcohol, more alcohol, being DTF, ''break everything in the club'' mentality, enacting the high life (suits, dresses), drugs, luxurious cars, etc.).

Quote: (10-05-2018 10:44 AM)BlackHussar Wrote:  

It's not a theory, I did both, and I know 10 other guys who practice these methods.

It works for sure in all ex-Yugoslav states because there are turbofolk clubs and culture in all of them; while also probably in Bulgaria, Greece, Albania, Kosovo, and Romania because they also have their own Balkanic mainstream pop-folk, together with all the good stuff it brings (alcohol, more alcohol, being DTF, ''break everything in the club'' mentality, enacting the high life (suits, dresses), drugs, luxurious cars, etc.).

The reason I ask is because I am Albanian and while yes we do have our own places where the music is very balkanic like and there are these rich guys flashing...it's not that widespread and to my knowledge there maybe 1 or 2 places in Tirana but with pro girls and not Albanian ones.
I am not sure what happens in Serbia and the other ex-Yugoslav places or Bulgaria.

Also from what I've seen in Greece this is very isolated. These places are also frowned upon and the talent is very low or just pros.

Quote: (10-05-2018 11:21 AM)kuqezi Wrote:  

The reason I ask is because I am Albanian and while yes we do have our own places where the music is very balkanic like and there are these rich guys flashing...it's not that widespread and to my knowledge there maybe 1 or 2 places in Tirana but with pro girls and not Albanian ones.
I am not sure what happens in Serbia and the other ex-Yugoslav places or Bulgaria.

Also from what I've seen in Greece this is very isolated. These places are also frowned upon and the talent is very low or just pros.

But the premise is the same. If you have a table and bottle service, you're going to smash in the Balkans, regardless whether the club's blasting turbofolk (Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro) or Albanian or Greek pop-folk, because of socio-economic reasons. Since our nations are poorer than Western Europe, many girls - and most of the girls in nightclubs - are impressed with power, money, and social status. While we could argue it's primitive, retarded, materialistic and shallow, that's not the point of this thread - it simply is like that.

Capitals of Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia and Montenegro are full of turbofolk clubs and it's the mainstream there. Lately, Anglo-American pop is also breaking through, as well as techno and house. However, local music retains its status.

Furthermore, when I've been to Greece, I've been to several clubs which played turbofolk music, because there are so many tourists from all over ex-Yugoslavia.

Also, I don't think Crete and Zakynthos are isolated or frowned upon; as to regarding talent, 200 tanned, young and wild Croat-Serb-Slovene-Montenegrin-Bosnian beauties in a single nightclub is hardly ''very low''.

What does bottle service cost in the Balkans?

Quote: (10-05-2018 11:50 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

What does bottle service cost in the Balkans?

Also curious. BlackHussar can't just come in here with a shining recommendation like that and then not tell us the cost to buy an All-Access Slavic Smash Pass.

Believe me, as a local to this region, I would like that you couldn't smash our materialistic girls by playing just a middle-class prep boy and paying your share of as low as €10 for a bottle, but you could.

It's not Dan Bilzerian style, mind - you literally have to have a table and a bottle of liquor, and the slutty girls in a turbofolk club will come to you, DTF.

It's tragical that those hot girls worship you not because of your game but because of your "money" and perceived status, and that money might be as low as €10. But it is like that.

The All-Access Slavic Smash Pass, or "bottle service in the Balkans", costs from €30 to €300.
It depends on the club, the liquor, the quantity of the liquor (0.7L vs. 1.0L), and the date.

As I've said, recently, Anglo-American pop as well as techno&house have been making a breakthrough, and the turbofolk clubs have been losing percentages of business.

As a result, discounts on bottle service are frequent - they're often announced on Facebook.

Regular prices have always been €50 to €100 for a sometimes 0.7, sometimes 1.0L bottle of Jack Daniel's, Jameson, Jim Beam, a solid vodka etc. , but recently they've been known to either drop to €40; or even offer 2 bottles for €60-100, effectively 1 bottle of liquor for as low as €30. Shared with 2 buddies, that's €10 each, which is really low.

Of course, some clubs offer seemingly low prices and then you find out that the bottles are of 0.7 or even 0.5L volume, but such behavior is rare. Just stay informed.

I read this thread, but didn't see any ratings. Just wondering what kind of girls the OP banged. 2s and 3s should be open to come straight to your place. So yes, if you just wanna stick your dick in something, that could work.