Guys,

I met the most beautiful girl from Moldova today (she's married). She was the closest thing to being flawless that I have seen in some time. Not just looks, but her personality as well. Very cool girl, funny, yet very feminine. I was just completely enamored. I couldn't point out one bad thing about her.

Also, unrelated, a friend of mine went to an elite gentleman's club in Spain a few months ago and the hottest chick in his orgy was also Moldovan.

These facts, coupled with Roosh's Lithuania report really has me considering going to EE/FSU instead of Stockholm this summer. Actually, I may do both if it's possible as I saw one member comment how Ryanair flies to Lithuania. However, I don't know if Lithuania is where I want to go. Here's where the forum comes in.

Could someone rank EE/FSU countries based on 1) the quality of girls 2) their openness to foreigners 3) any other criteria that is worth considering in order to get laid as feasibly as possible?

I just want to know where the hottest girls are and where are my best chances to get laid if I put in the work.

Some caveats that are important to keep in mind:

1) Me and my friend who are going to do this trip are both black. We're educated, professional, cool guys who just care about getting laid. We do pretty well with women here in the States. As travelers, we don't cause trouble, we don't bother nobody.

I figured race would be an important thing to bring up as I've heard there are neo-nazis in EE/FSU and black men are probably rare as hell and maybe even unlikely to be well-received. I can imagine the level of ignorance out there. Perhaps you guys who know this part of the world don't have an answer for me as there may not be any example you know of, but I would want your opinion if you have good support for it. However, just don't derail this great thread with unnecessary race drama.

My alternative to EE/FSU would be Sweden. I know Swedish girls are extremely attractive though we will have to put in work. I expect that if we work hard out there, we should be fine. It's always been my dream to visit Stockholm during the summer.

I just don't know if EE/FSU offers a good ROI. All I can say is I'm floored by the quality of girls from those countries. They not only look exotic and gorgeous, they also have a femininity factor that Swedish girls and Scandinavians in general seem to lack.

It does not matter where the girls are the hottest but where you can pull the hottest.Sweden has the best looking girls in Europe this does not mean that you are actually go to fuck them.You may go to a country with less good looking girls but bang prettier ones than you would bang in Sweden because in Sweden you will get the low 25% of female population while in another country you may get the top 25% of female population.
For me personally the easiest country to pull relatively good looking girls inside EU is Poland and outside EU is Ukraine.However this is for me who I am white Greek Balkan.Generally I have no problem being racially accepted anywhere.Here in Greece you get heavy blocking when you try to pull girls so abroad is like burdens are removed like there are no chains or weights and you come with unlimited power.

How much time do you have?

Problem is that Eastern Europe is very big with over a dozen countries, so no one man (particularly a guy with your look and background) can give you a reliable list. The best you can do is narrow it down to 3 countries or so and try them out.

If you think Swedish girls take work, you'll be working hard in EE. The price for higher quality is logistical issues and longer time to bang. The type of "game" here needed to succeed takes a while to adjust to. Even though I lived in Poland and Baltics for 9 months, it still took me 3 weeks just to get the feel of Industrial Shithole. I don't know how a newbie to this area will pull in a short trip unless he has a gimmick.

I miss getting consistent ONSs like back in Scandinavia. Right now in IS, there really is no point to try. Eastern Europe is like learning a language that takes time to learn. You have to make a long term commitment to master this part of the world, like Kamaki has.

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you come with unlimited power.

True true, but rolling solo is tough and takes everything you got, especially if you don't use internet game.

Problem is we veterans took our experience while Eastern Europe was very cheap so we learned cheaply.Now you have to pay to learn the same things.I try to transfer some of this experience but it is mostly something you have to live to understand I can only present the general principles.

About solo the natural state for the Balkan is to go solo.You control everything this way.I can easily handle 3-4 girls in a club.The situation is a bit worse on the street where you get exhausted after some hours of walking and hunting however it never loses its appeal and excitement.
Here in Greece when I try to do the same hunting I get so many obstacles and have to take so many factors into consideration that the whole situation becomes totally different.For example a lot of guys here take position to approach as well if you make a move even in metro so you have to keep attention of the environment without any relax.It is much more tense situation.You also get tons of cockblocking and blocking in general even by policemen who want the girls for themselves by motorcycle bikers who whistle to them as they pass by Albanian or Arab immigrants who kiss on the air while they pass,from old guys who offer girls money in cold so you have to be super sensitive and super fast to keep up against the competition.No such problems abroad a great freedom.

Which languages do you speak?

Well why not hit up Moldova, it seems like a less beaten path and not many black americans have been through there.
One thing I know about Lithuania, they are into basketball. So I figure if you are tall you can pass as a ball player from the USA, just a thought.
I have been to Sweden, all I will say there is alot of BS on the board about the place. Stockholm is one of my favourite cities and like Greek Kamiki says they have some of the prettiest women in Europe. The only problem is the place is very expensive and I feel for max results you have to spend a good amount of time there.

I hung w/a few black dudes who were Marine's in Sofia and they killed it, but they lived there for a year so its hard to say if they would have had success rolling in for a week or so.

Interesting. I went on a date with a Moldovan girl recently. She's out of the country right now but when she gets back I'll ask her how Moldovans view black people.

I'd be very interesting in hearing the experience in EE from guys like you as opposed to military guys or poor immigrants who are there out of necessity.

You should do it man, if Naughty Nomad can pound the pavement of Sierra Leone looking for ass, you can certainly survive EE!

Thanks for the comments guys. Much appreciated.

I'm only going to have a week most likely, so I see that won't be nearly enough time for anything outside of the p4p route. Any success would likely be a 6 at best is what I'm gathering (if I'm lucky). From what it sounds like, I should probably stick with the beaten path (Sweden) and keep EE/FSU in mind for when I have enough time to properly dedicate myself to that region. The fact that Roosh is having such a hard time in spite of his time, dedication and experience is a good harbinger for me not to go. Also, Swedish girls at least speak English which is great since I won't have much time to work with.

Quote: (03-19-2012 06:10 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Guys,

Could someone rank EE/FSU countries based on 1) the quality of girls 2) their openness to foreigners 3) any other criteria that is worth considering in order to get laid as feasibly as possible?

I just want to know where the hottest girls are and where are my best chances to get laid if I put in the work.

Seems like you are looking for Arcadia. Unfortunately no such place exists,not even in the FSU/EE unfortunately. It did a number of years back but not now. If there was a place with incredible women who were keen to meet foreigners then we'd all be there ( and ruining it for the people who will follow after 10 years ).

My advice therefore is that you go somewhere that interests you and you'll think you'll have a good time regardless of getting laid or not because despite some people's claims EE is not an easy place to get laid if you have a short amount of time. With only a week at your disposal there is no point you heading to some industrial shit hole in Moldova with no bars,decent clubs etc. because if you fail in getting laid you'll of had a shit time probably. Better that you go to a major city where even if you fail to get a bang you can still party and have a great time.

However IF you are intent on the FSU/EE route ( and I'm in no way trying to put you off - you just need to understand the realities ) then my suggestion is to forget Moldova,Belarus,Ukraine,Russia as a first trip. Since you only have a week why don't you head to Krakow or Budapest ( you could combine the two maybe with Bratislava too ). Great bars,good clubs,some good looking fun women over all interesting cities and importantly for you far more chance of meeting English speaking girls.

If you go to those cities with your mate you'll both have a great time,see some interesting places,have a gentle introduction to EE and quite possibly get laid.

Quote: (03-19-2012 06:29 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Problem is we veterans took our experience while Eastern Europe was very cheap so we learned cheaply.

.......and Eastern Europe is expensive now?

Quote: (03-20-2012 03:07 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2012 06:29 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Problem is we veterans took our experience while Eastern Europe was very cheap so we learned cheaply.

.......and Eastern Europe is expensive now?

It's certainly more expensive now. That does not necessarily mean it's expensive though.

Since you only have one week, why don't you experiment with pipelining now to see where you get the most positive responses from the types of girls you're interested in? With such little time, one week in EE/FSU with little preparation is highly unlikely to be a bangfest. The different sites for different countries are scattered about on various threads.

If you insist on nightgame, a good bet would be hip-hop clubs, if they exist, in a major city, e.g. in Krakow. There, girls have a presected liking of African-American culture, as I'm sure you've already figured out in other countries

Yeah well everywhere is more expensive now, but the whole of Eastern Europe as cheap as shit compared to the west.

Op I would say go to Sweden, as Roosh said going to Eastern Europe would be spreading yourself around too thick.

Quote: (03-20-2012 03:31 AM)Soma Wrote:  

Since you only have one week, [b]why don't you experiment with pipelining now to see where you get the most positive responses from the types of girls you're interested in?[/b] With such little time, one week in EE/FSU with little preparation is highly unlikely to be a bangfest. The different sites for different countries are scattered about on various threads.

If you insist on nightgame, a good bet would be hip-hop clubs, if they exist, in a major city, e.g. in Krakow. There, girls have a presected liking of African-American culture, as I'm sure you've already figured out in other countries

That's a good idea. What are some good pipelining sites for EE/FSU? Are online dating sites popular there? That would be the way to gauge interest considering the language/cultural barrier, though there might be some scammers on those sites.

In Sweden, pipelining is not the way I would go. Girls are everywhere and they speak English so I would just cold approach, day and night.

Quote: (03-20-2012 03:04 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2012 06:10 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Guys,

Could someone rank EE/FSU countries based on 1) the quality of girls 2) their openness to foreigners 3) any other criteria that is worth considering in order to get laid as feasibly as possible?

I just want to know where the hottest girls are and where are my best chances to get laid if I put in the work.

Seems like you are looking for Arcadia. Unfortunately no such place exists,not even in the FSU/EE unfortunately. It did a number of years back but not now. If there was a place with incredible women who were keen to meet foreigners then we'd all be there ( and ruining it for the people who will follow after 10 years ).

My advice therefore is that you go somewhere that interests you and you'll think you'll have a good time regardless of getting laid or not because despite some people's claims EE is not an easy place to get laid if you have a short amount of time. With only a week at your disposal there is no point you heading to some industrial shit hole in Moldova with no bars,decent clubs etc. because if you fail in getting laid you'll of had a shit time probably. Better that you go to a major city where even if you fail to get a bang you can still party and have a great time.

However IF you are intent on the FSU/EE route ( and I'm in no way trying to put you off - you just need to understand the realities ) then my suggestion is to forget Moldova,Belarus,Ukraine,Russia as a first trip. Since you only have a week why don't you head to Krakow or Budapest ( you could combine the two maybe with Bratislava too ). Great bars,good clubs,some good looking fun women over all interesting cities and importantly for you far more chance of meeting English speaking girls.

If you go to those cities with your mate you'll both have a great time,see some interesting places,have a gentle introduction to EE and quite possibly get laid.

I disagree both with Krakow and Budapest.These cities are full of horny tourists and the girls have become suspicious.
I can play ball in Budapest because I know where to look for provincial Hungarian girls.A newcomer will have problem.Also Hungarians are not Slavs.Their mentality is different.
One week is plenty of time.Several of my trips were 3 days long or less.

Quote: (03-20-2012 04:19 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I disagree both with Krakow and Budapest.These cities are full of horny tourists and the girls have become suspicious.
I can play ball in Budapest because I know where to look for provincial Hungarian girls.A newcomer will have problem.Also Hungarians are not Slavs.Their mentality is different.
One week is plenty of time.Several of my trips were 3 days long or less.

Kamaki - What are your top three favorite countries for chicks in EE/FSU? Which would you recommend to a westerner?

Quote: (03-20-2012 03:07 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2012 06:29 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Problem is we veterans took our experience while Eastern Europe was very cheap so we learned cheaply.

.......and Eastern Europe is expensive now?

I do not compare Eastern Europe to the West.This is ridiculous.(a taxi cab in Oslo will take 50 euro for a 30 minutes route but Norway's GDP/capita and resources can in no way be compared to Ukrainian GDP/capita).
What is legible is comparing these countries with what they were in the past.I remember in Czech Republic where the tram and metro ticket cost 1/4 of euro 10 years ago and now it costs 1 euro.This reflects the increase in all prices.Now you need 4 times the money you needed in the past to have the same time.The salaries of the locals have increased accordingly(about 4 times as well).
So the foreigner's value has decreased at least 4 times or to be more accurate 6 times since the foreigner not only has 4 times less money but he has to compete against 4 times richer locals.This has the effect that the girls expectations have increased 6 times till then or to put it in another way you either have to spend 6 times more to get the same result or you have to stay 6 times more days to get the same result or you have to hit 6 times the number of girls you used to hit to get the same result or if everything remains the same as the past(your financial status,disposable income,time) as it is usually the case you have to compromise with girls belonging to average (50%) in terms of appearance while in the past you scored in the high 10% range(that is 6 times better than average).
Anyway these are complicated calculations but show a gross perspective of the big picture.

Quote: (03-20-2012 04:21 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Quote: (03-20-2012 04:19 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

I disagree both with Krakow and Budapest.These cities are full of horny tourists and the girls have become suspicious.
I can play ball in Budapest because I know where to look for provincial Hungarian girls.A newcomer will have problem.Also Hungarians are not Slavs.Their mentality is different.
One week is plenty of time.Several of my trips were 3 days long or less.

Kamaki - What are your top three favorite countries for chicks in EE/FSU? Which would you recommend to a westerner?

I have already answered it many times.Poland for inside the EU,Ukraine and Russia for outside the EU.You have first to decide if you are going to stay inside or outside because these are two very different options.
The question comes down to how much you are ready to leave standard western comforts,be eligible to scams,maybe spend more to have a shot at better looking women.It depends on the risk you are willing to take.
For a person willing to take risks I advise outside EU.For a conservatively oriented person I advise hunting inside EU.

Thanks. Good stuff.

Quote: (03-20-2012 03:21 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Quote: (03-20-2012 03:07 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2012 06:29 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Problem is we veterans took our experience while Eastern Europe was very cheap so we learned cheaply.

.......and Eastern Europe is expensive now?

It's certainly more expensive now. That does not necessarily mean it's expensive though.

First of all parts of Eastern Europe like Moscow are inded expensive even compared to the West(mostly in accomodation).
Russia in general has kept the ruble strong by pumping petrodollar money from its reserves to support it so now Russia is more expensive than Ukraine or Poland for this matter the ruble is artificially strong.
On the other hand with the collapse of the Belarussian ruble about 300% since last year Belarus has become relatively cheap for Westerners while it used to be not so cheap.(of course Putin offered a common Russian ruble as currency to Lukashenko if the latter agreed to Belarus becoming a province of Russia but Lukashenko refused).
Ukraine has also become much cheaper than it used to be in 2008 due to devaluation of grivnya about 100% in 2009.(of course you still pay the same prices in Kiev for hotels and taxis because they are calculated based on dollars and not based on grivnya).
Poland is definitely not so cheap(there is some mafia there Russian style in my opinion which creates artificial increase of prices by getting some protection money aka pimp maybe it is the state) it became a bit better now due to decline of Zloty.When I was there 2 years ago it seemed to me considerably more expensive than CR.
CR is and will remain cheap due to smart Czech economics and the traditional Danube trade between neighbouring countries which keeps the prices low.(these countries had economies where one completed the other during Austrohungary and the strcutures have remained the same).
For the same reason and relative decline of Forint value due to crisis(about 40% devaluation) Hungary is relatively cheap now.

Again all this cheapness and low prices are due to the fact that all these countries have kept their local currencies(except Slovakia which adopted the euro) and the euro is kept strong pumped up by the German exports.The condition is not certain to remain the same since pressures to these countries to adopt the euro as well stack up(CR already declined to enter in 2011,Poland is due to enter in 2014 if I am not mistaken).

Del

Quote: (03-20-2012 04:28 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Quote: (03-20-2012 03:07 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2012 06:29 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Problem is we veterans took our experience while Eastern Europe was very cheap so we learned cheaply.

.......and Eastern Europe is expensive now?

I do not compare Eastern Europe to the West.This is ridiculous.(a taxi cab in Oslo will take 50 euro for a 30 minutes route but Norway's GDP/capita and resources can in no way be compared to Ukrainian GDP/capita).
What is legible is comparing these countries with what they were in the past.I remember in Czech Republic where the tram and metro ticket cost 1/4 of euro 10 years ago and now it costs 1 euro.This reflects the increase in all prices.Now you need 4 times the money you needed in the past to have the same time.The salaries of the locals have increased accordingly(about 4 times as well).
So the foreigner's value has decreased at least 4 times or to be more accurate 6 times since the foreigner not only has 4 times less money but he has to compete against 4 times richer locals.This has the effect that the girls expectations have increased 6 times till then or to put it in another way you either have to spend 6 times more to get the same result or you have to stay 6 times more days to get the same result or you have to hit 6 times the number of girls you used to hit to get the same result or if everything remains the same as the past(your financial status,disposable income,time) as it is usually the case you have to compromise with girls belonging to average (50%) in terms of appearance while in the past you scored in the high 10% range(that is 6 times better than average).
Anyway these are complicated calculations but show a gross perspective of the big picture.

First of all, you do compare Eastern Europe to the west, on many occasions.

Kamaki it seems you go from one extreme to the other, posting some very insightful information, to deliberately spewing absolutely garbage. What is your motive?

You're saying that because a transport ticket cost 25c 10 years ago, and now costs a whole 1 Euro, that you need four times more money these days?. Have hotels quadrupled in price?, no. Beer?, no. Food? no. Czechs' salaries?, no.

I can't even be bothered to address the rest of what you said. There may have been big changes in salaries and price in Prague for example, but nowhere near what you're talking about.

Quote: (03-20-2012 04:45 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Quote: (03-20-2012 03:21 AM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

Quote: (03-20-2012 03:07 AM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Quote: (03-19-2012 06:29 PM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Problem is we veterans took our experience while Eastern Europe was very cheap so we learned cheaply.

.......and Eastern Europe is expensive now?

It's certainly more expensive now. That does not necessarily mean it's expensive though.

First of all parts of Eastern Europe like Moscow are inded expensive even compared to the West(mostly in accomodation).
Russia in general has kept the ruble strong by pumping petrodollar money from its reserves to support it so now Russia is more expensive than Ukraine or Poland for this matter the ruble is artificially strong.
On the other hand with the collapse of the Belarussian ruble about 300% since last year Belarus has become relatively cheap for Westerners while it used to be not so cheap.(of course Putin offered a common Russian ruble as currency to Lukashenko if the latter agreed to Belarus becoming a province of Russia but Lukashenko refused).
Ukraine has also become much cheaper than it used to be in 2008 due to devaluation of grivnya about 100% in 2009.(of course you still pay the same prices in Kiev for hotels and taxis because they are calculated based on dollars and not based on grivnya).
Poland is definitely not so cheap(there is some mafia there Russian style in my opinion which creates artificial increase of prices by getting some protection money aka pimp maybe it is the state) it became a bit better now due to decline of Zloty.When I was there 2 years ago it seemed to me considerably more expensive than CR.
CR is and will remain cheap due to smart Czech economics and the traditional Danube trade between neighbouring countries which keeps the prices low.(these countries had economies where one completed the other during Austrohungary and the strcutures have remained the same).
For the same reason and relative decline of Forint value due to crisis(about 40% devaluation) Hungary is relatively cheap now.

Again all this cheapness and low prices are due to the fact that all these countries have kept their local currencies(except Slovakia which adopted the euro) and the euro is kept strong pumped up by the German exports.The condition is not certain to remain the same since pressures to these countries to adopt the euro as well stack up(CR already declined to enter in 2011,Poland is due to enter in 2014 if I am not mistaken).

Another wild, intentionally incorrect generalisation. Why?

There are many different views of what is Eastern Europe, for me Russia is not.

All parts of Eastern Europe are expensive compared to the west eh?, So a hotel room in Budapest is more expensive than Paris?