I can't make up my mind if Japan is actually resisting globalisation & the globalists with their worldwide anti masculine attitude and cultural degeneracy, or if they are secretly collaborating with them, just in a different way.

I have personally visited Japan a few times now, been in long term relationships with Japanese girls, met some RVF members based in Japan, and generally try to keep up with what is going on there.

On the surface it seems that Japan is doing all that it can to resist globalisation by limiting immigration as much as possible, not letting in any muslims at all, not letting women get into too many positions of both political and corporate power, making sure that homosexuality, transgenderism, and other sexual deviances are seen as undesirable, something to hide, and a sign of mental illness to be ashamed of. They also make sure their women are feminine and traditional, tattoos & piercings and other nonsense are very rare, and the laws are mostly fair so that the husbands are not punished too much financially in divorce cases.

On the other hand, Japan does not seem to encourage its men to be masculine in any way, does nothing to encourage or incentivize the birthrate which has been practically zero for decades, seems to not care that most men are either total betas or omegas, or that hundreds of thousands of grown men are self-imposed hermits (Hikikomori) obsessed with cartoons and pornography. It also is unconcerned that its women can be very promiscuous, are brainwashed by their smartphones like everywhere else, and that Japanese porn industry is the largest in Asia by far. (And in the cases of divorce, even if they don't have to pay, I do think that fathers have no legal right to see their kids...but perhaps that's just in the case of non Japanese fathers)

On the world political stage Japan rarely ever challenges the globalists the same way Russia and China do. It offers money and troops to United Nations and/or USA lead military endeavours. It is on board with (and provides money to) all the globalist organisations, (United Nations, IMF, WHO, G7, etc, etc) and supports nonsense like global climate change propaganda, and lets globalists charities and NGOs fully operate inside Japan.

So I can't make up my mind if Japan is truly resisting the globalists and globalisation in the same way that China and Russia do.

It seems to me that Japan has taken an "al la carte" approach to globalisation, incorporating some of the evils, while resisting others.

Are the Japanese really resisting globalism, or simply just implementing the (((globalist agenda))) in their own unique way ?


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In my honest opinion OP they aren't resisting much of anything.

They have been basically dominated by the United States since WW2. The US is the poster child for globalization in my opinion. They are resisting it in the sense that the Japanese basically would have otherwise been natural enemies with the Americans, and were very fierce and alpha for some time.

But like the Germans, they are a defeated country.

They can't really resist globalism after being defeated. You also mentioned that China and Russia are resisting globalization. I think you mean they are resisting Western and NATO influence. I am under an impression that there are different factions and interests under one globalist roof, with Western Nations leading the march to destruction of their own societies. They are either first in the decision to globalize, or are being subjugated to a sick experiment by their captors.

Putin has ties to Israel, which we all knows pulls a ton of strings. China is turning into 1984, I didn't quite believe it until a good friend from Hong Kong told me China is nearly Orwellian. That sounds like globalization, if not close to it.

Nowhere is safe, that's why its scary.

However, certain countries such as Russia and South Africa (whites) will hold their culture and nationalism together.

Japan has no offensive military capability to speak of (although there are signs that is changing). They are a protectorate of the US, while being geographically close to China and Russia. There is not much initiative to be had in that situation.

Quote: (03-13-2018 09:45 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

Are the Japanese really resisting globalism, or simply just implementing the (((globalist agenda))) in their own unique way ?

Option 3: The globalist/nationalist spectrum is the wrong one to try and analyze a completely different culture with its own history and goals, and if you try to use to understand the place you're going to end up asking weird, nonsense questions.

Japan is doing what is good for Japan and its people. If it comes across as looking like "resisting globalism", than that is fine to them.

They had their ego destroyed by the Americans after the war, and with that they decided as a nation to see where the new empire would go. Their idea of hero changed from warrior to business man, and their population exploded. In that population boom, many Japanese men became left out. This is not a unique thing to Japan, as we all have more female ancestors than male ones. Most females breed, and a good portion of men do not. In Japan, peace meant a lot of these men lived long and boring lives without honor. Lots commit suicide, but many lack the courage for even this.

This is a very small percentage though.

The higher percentage of Japanese men are actually very 'Alpha'. They hold themselves in high regard, much of it due to mastery and earning potential. There is A LOT of money in Tokyo, and Japanese men run Japan with little regard for bullshit like 'gender balanced cabinets'. Japan is without question a mans place. Western media love to paint Japanese men as a bunch of pussies, eating soy and jerking off to porn in the basement. The reality is far different. He is more likely to spend 60 hours a week with other men, making money. He blows off steam at a brothel or with his young mistress. He gets hammered and runs around town trying to fuck hostesses. He has hobbies like judo, jujutsu or karate. Hiking clubs, race car clubs, surfing school, diving clubs, all these kinds of places are everywhere in Japan. Most Japanese men are very hard working, diligent, smart and fit. More custom suits and lingerie are sold in Tokyo every year than any other country in the world. This is a telling statistic, that women and men both have swagger and love to impress each other. They also do a lot of fucking.

I agree with the 'a la carte' description. They have always pulled things from other cultures if they deemed it superior. Its a sign of high intellect. This same approach also allows them to say "fuck you" to forced immigration. It shows how deep the Japanese resolve is for its own people when they have tried immigration before, it was a disaster, and they said no the next time. When I was in Tokyo a couple years ago and the Turks rioted in the streets before their elections, the Japanese were not so shy in saying that even Turks, who are mostly secular, cannot even be tolerated in Japan. They tried 'Islam Lite' and it scared them off. I see almost a zero chance of them even accepting one fake 'refugee' that are being used to destabilize the west.

Japan has to do what the globalists order them to do. They can drag their feet, but that is about it.

After the last earthquake off the coast and the resulting tsunami Japan signed an important international financial agreement instantly. It was really strange, because it was reported on Financial Times and how the Japanese resisted it.

Then they get the earthquake off the coast - something which can easily be triggered by modern weaponry. Then boom - the very next day they sign the agreement as if it is the most pressing thing on Earth despite resisting it for months and years before.

So yes - the Japanese have to do what the globalist mafia tells them to do, but they sure as hell will be dragging it out as much as possible and they will ignore many of the lesser commands for example in terms of refugees correctly saying that the Japanese will not accept it.

And anyone thinking that they don't resist anything is deluded. Countries that don't resist jack shit are Canada, Sweden, Germany, even UK despite Brexit - those are the most cucked places on Earth.

Allowing immigration for Japan is self-induced genocide. Doesn't take a genius to know what would happen if you let the flood gates open. As a vassal state of the US they will pay lip service by sending money overseas to globalists but they will never genocide themselves like other Western countries. It looks like, as a defeated country, they are singing the tune of globalization but they don't have much vested interest in it. They aren't interested projecting their influence abroad and have chosen an isolationist route.

With regards to men, Japan has always shamed NEETs and omegas, it's just becoming more prevalent because of the sustained recession over the last couple of decades. What has always disturbed me is how they capitalize on these incels by creating a wide array of products that cater to their thirst, take their money, and remove the ladder to ascending from their rooms.

Even though Japanese people aren't very religious, Buddhism has greatly influenced their culture. The Buddhist ideal of "harmony with nature" is often manifested as a relative or sophistic relationship with "truth," which means that the way they act usually depends on the situation, including whatever attitude is prevailing in their culture at the moment, even if it is a complete 180 from the attitude that prevailed just a few years prior. Westerners, especially me, often find this very confusing because it can make it hard for us to predict what they're going to do or why they do things.

So, they could quickly change between supporting globalism and being anti-globalist, depending on whether it seems to be helping Japan and whether current attitudes in the country are supportive. Even if they do support globalism, they'll try to water it down if they deem it necessary to make sure their own country is getting optimal value from it.

In his post above, Laner mentions that after WWII, they changed their hero from a warrior to a business man. You know how long it took them to make that change? About four hours. Literally.

After the Emperor made his surrender speech to the nation on 14 August 1945 ("We must bear the unbearable") the Japanese, almost as one, got up off their knees (they knelt while listening to the broadcast) and went into their houses or abodes and the entire country basically stopped moving as they contemplated what was happening and what they needed to do next. When they emerged several hours later, without even discussing it amongst themselves, they were ready to peaceably welcome the American occupiers (minus a few holdouts, of course) and throw themselves wholeheartedly into a different way of running their society, to make sure that they did what was best for themselves. I don't know if anything has ever really happened like that with any other country in the history of the world. I think that episode, more than almost anything, shows what kind of people the Japanese are.

Thanks to everyone for all the insightful and well thought out replies.


Except this one:

Quote: (03-13-2018 10:29 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Option 3: The globalist/nationalist spectrum is the wrong one to try and analyze a completely different culture with its own history and goals, and if you try to use to understand the place you're going to end up asking weird, nonsense questions.

This sort of reply brings nothing useful to the discussion and comes across as needlessly patronizing/condescending. If you have some sort of better understanding of Japanese culture than the rest of us, then elaborate your ideas rather than dropping unhelpful one liners.

Quote: (03-15-2018 10:21 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

This sort of reply brings nothing useful to the discussion and comes across as needlessly patronizing/condescending. If you have some sort of better understanding of Japanese culture than the rest of us, then elaborate your ideas rather than dropping unhelpful one liners.

I thought I was fairly clear: you're asking completely the wrong question. It's like asking whether Atilla the Hun was more of a communist or a democrat. Globalism/Nationalism is a Western dialectic that just doesn't map on to Japan well, because it's its own nation with its own history its own power structure, and its own ideologies. That's why you're confused, you're using a framework to try to understand them that simply　doesn't apply.

Globalism/Nationalism is not part of the language, and it's not part of the discourse there. It's simply not a "thing". Hell, you can go to amazon.co.jp and run a search for globalism and you'll see that not a single book's been published in the last year by a Japanese publishing house about globalism in the past year, and only two were written by crappy kindle unlimited authors. The word "Globalism" doesn't even show up in my IME (The built in Japanese dictionary that every computer has for converting English keyboard inputs into Japanese kanji/kana) which means it may as well not be a word. The closest equivalent after it is グローバル化 (Globalization), but to most Japanese it means things like forcing kids to take extra English lessons, not bringing in foreigners for cheap labor.

The US and the west are not the center of the world, and our politics do not dominate everywhere. Japan is an immensely insular, closed society that doesn't think about the rest of the world any more than we think about the weather on Mars. They're not giving in to the globalists or resisting them, they're simply not even aware of their existence.

This might be the most insigtful and educative thread of 2018. Great job everyone.

Quote: (03-16-2018 02:35 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote: (03-15-2018 10:21 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

This sort of reply brings nothing useful to the discussion and comes across as needlessly patronizing/condescending. If you have some sort of better understanding of Japanese culture than the rest of us, then elaborate your ideas rather than dropping unhelpful one liners.

I thought I was fairly clear: you're asking completely the wrong question. It's like asking whether Atilla the Hun was more of a communist or a democrat. Globalism/Nationalism is a Western dialectic that just doesn't map on to Japan well, because it's its own nation with its own history its own power structure, and its own ideologies. That's why you're confused, you're using a framework to try to understand them that simply　doesn't apply.

Globalism/Nationalism is not part of the language, and it's not part of the discourse there. It's simply not a "thing". Hell, you can go to amazon.co.jp and run a search for globalism and you'll see that not a single book's been published in the last year by a Japanese publishing house about globalism in the past year, and only two were written by crappy kindle unlimited authors. The word "Globalism" doesn't even show up in my IME (The built in Japanese dictionary that every computer has for converting English keyboard inputs into Japanese kanji/kana) which means it may as well not be a word. The closest equivalent after it is グローバル化 (Globalization), but to most Japanese it means things like forcing kids to take extra English lessons, not bringing in foreigners for cheap labor.

The US and the west are not the center of the world, and our politics do not dominate everywhere. Japan is an immensely insular, closed society that doesn't think about the rest of the world any more than we think about the weather on Mars. They're not giving in to the globalists or resisting them, they're simply not even aware of their existence.

You have a point about globalisation not being part of the discourse in Japan. In fact, the "globalism vs nationalism" dichotomy was only coined, as far as I'm aware, during the 2016 US election campaign. Before then, of course, the issues were simmering away but the awareness and the language for it was not quite there.
But it's not true that Japan may as well be on Mars. It's relations with China, the USA, North Korea and to a slightly lesser extent Russia are all of acute importance, as is the global trade framework. The TPP was a household talking point in Japan for years. Japanese captains of industry and government are all hanging on what is happening with the USA in terms of trade policy and tariffs.

Quote: (03-16-2018 02:49 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

You have a point about globalisation not being part of the discourse in Japan. In fact, the "globalism vs nationalism" dichotomy was only coined, as far as I'm aware, during the 2016 US election campaign. Before then, of course, the issues were simmering away but the awareness and the language for it was not quite there.
But it's not true that Japan may as well be on Mars. It's relations with China, the USA, North Korea and to a slightly lesser extent Russia are all of acute importance, as is the global trade framework. The TPP was a household talking point in Japan for years. Japanese captains of industry and government are all hanging on what is happening with the USA in terms of trade policy and tariffs.

True, the TPP was big. And of course every subway is plastered with signs telling North Korea to fuck off . (I've never quite understood the point of those. Do they expect Kim Jong Un to be wandering through Meguro station so he can see them?) But trying to get the average Japanese guy to pay attention to anything going on outside Japan is like pulling teeth. Maybe it's different for salarymen at major globo-corps like Sony, I don't know 'cause I don't work with them. But Japan just by and large does not care about the outside world. They have their own society, and they like it, and they stick to themselves without interacting with others.

Quote: (03-16-2018 03:25 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

But Japan just by and large does not care about the outside world. They have their own society, and they like it, and they stick to themselves without interacting with others.

This is a bit too simplistic view.
Perhaps the average Japanese man is not interested in the outside world, but Japanese women certainly are.

The number of mixed race "hafu" (ハーフ) children in Japan is larger than it ever has been in history, so Japanese women are certainly not keeping to themselves when it comes to interacting with foreigners long term.

From the anecdotal stories I have heard, Japanese society views these mixed race children favourably provided they are mixed white/japanese and the child can speak and knows how to act correctly in Japanese society. Supposedly they even get treated better than the Japanese minority from Brazil. But, if someone else has better info on this I would be curious.

Also in Japan if you come from mixed parents you are not legally allowed to have dual citizenship (2 passports) when you become an adult.

A bunch of betas can't build a highly developed country. Japan infrastructure is top notch. It puts the US and several other western countries to shame. I think you are confusing their cultural etiquette though. Asian can seem stupid/beta but they are not. It is just the way they act in public.

As far as guys are concerned, I found that most guys are going to be beta and a few are going to be alpha. That's just a thing of life. Big cities might have a higher concentration of alpha/hot girls but that's about it.

Japan is not resisting immigration, though. The doors are open. But immigrants do not move there. This is not a surprise. There was a time when the doors were open (like no visa required) and the west didn't have immigration issues.

Japan is a rich country but if you are starting from the bottom, you'll have a very hard time. Japanese people have high tolerance to misery. They hang on until things improve. They work hard. Salaries in Japan are very low comparing to the cost of living.

Immigrants from most poor countries have better financial chances if they work hard in their own countries. Most of their countries (except war-torn) have high growth rates and untapped opportunities. The reasons they don't? They are lazy, looking to get rich quick, or have issues in their motherland. Many have issues in their motherland (ex-criminals) and find that selling weed on the street is easier to make a living.

I remember when I landed on the Brussels Central station and seen the massive number of immigrants running around the station. Sending these back is not racism, it is common sense. I did not feel safe and it is not safe to have a thousand 20-something young man with no job, money, food or prospect running around.

I don't think Japanese people are racist. I think they are misunderstood. I have found both Japanese man and woman to be very friendly when traveling.

I think Japanese just demand higher standards if you are going to live in their country. Most people can't do that because it is much trouble for them.

So back to your question: Are they resisting globalisation? I don't think so. I think they are just misunderstood and their high-standards just making them look like they are resisting it. But they are not.

Are they helping the globalists? Not intentionally. I don't think Japan can sail on its own. They are a follower of the US and they have good reasons to stay that way. Japan is surrounded by North Korea, China and Russia. Having the US as a strong ally makes them sleep better at night even with Kim nukes.

I've live in Japan and the only thing I can say is the most alpha guys are those construction workers with parachute pants.

Quote: (03-16-2018 02:35 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote: (03-15-2018 10:21 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

This sort of reply brings nothing useful to the discussion and comes across as needlessly patronizing/condescending. If you have some sort of better understanding of Japanese culture than the rest of us, then elaborate your ideas rather than dropping unhelpful one liners.

I thought I was fairly clear: you're asking completely the wrong question. It's like asking whether Atilla the Hun was more of a communist or a democrat. Globalism/Nationalism is a Western dialectic that just doesn't map on to Japan well, because it's its own nation with its own history its own power structure, and its own ideologies. That's why you're confused, you're using a framework to try to understand them that simply　doesn't apply.

Globalism/Nationalism is not part of the language, and it's not part of the discourse there. It's simply not a "thing". Hell, you can go to amazon.co.jp and run a search for globalism and you'll see that not a single book's been published in the last year by a Japanese publishing house about globalism in the past year, and only two were written by crappy kindle unlimited authors. The word "Globalism" doesn't even show up in my IME (The built in Japanese dictionary that every computer has for converting English keyboard inputs into Japanese kanji/kana) which means it may as well not be a word. The closest equivalent after it is グローバル化 (Globalization), but to most Japanese it means things like forcing kids to take extra English lessons, not bringing in foreigners for cheap labor.

The US and the west are not the center of the world, and our politics do not dominate everywhere. Japan is an immensely insular, closed society that doesn't think about the rest of the world any more than we think about the weather on Mars. They're not giving in to the globalists or resisting them, they're simply not even aware of their existence.

They're beyond the reach of most conventional globalist tactics of mass mind control. That's not all the same thing as being aware of the existence of a foreign force trying to bend them to their will. They're rather familiar with that by now. There may not be "man on the street" awareness, but that's true for every country.

And even if "Nationalism" isn't felt the same way as Western nations, some version of it is still obviously being felt, and probably more intensely than most of the Western World. It's not seen as a Western Nationalism vs. Globalism paradigm because their nationalism is so ingrained, it's not even a question which side of the question they're on.

You don't need an extensive literary debate about someone obviously trying to invade and colonize you, you just need to fight it. A literary debate about it just means your opponent has already found a weakness to sink his claws into.

Quote: (03-14-2018 09:55 AM)C-Note Wrote:  

After the Emperor made his surrender speech to the nation on 14 August 1945 ("We must bear the unbearable") the Japanese, almost as one, got up off their knees (they knelt while listening to the broadcast) and went into their houses or abodes and the entire country basically stopped moving as they contemplated what was happening and what they needed to do next. When they emerged several hours later, without even discussing it amongst themselves, they were ready to peaceably welcome the American occupiers (minus a few holdouts, of course) and throw themselves wholeheartedly into a different way of running their society, to make sure that they did what was best for themselves. I don't know if anything has ever really happened like that with any other country in the history of the world. I think that episode, more than almost anything, shows what kind of people the Japanese are.

This is actually really important...

How Japan (and Germany) dealt with defeat was actually the most productive way forward. Also remember that Japan was engaging in quasi-terrorist-like tactics at the end of WWII with the kamikazes. But when push came to shove, they capitulated and then moved on, and it worked out really well for them.

Compare that to just about every other country that has become or will become a failed state due to its people never capitulating and resorting to guerilla/terrorist tactics.

Probably the worst development in humanity has been the popularization of asymmetrical warfare and the stubborn way groups of people insist on applying it with nothing good to show for it.

Quote: (03-16-2018 04:59 AM)lookslikeit Wrote:  

A bunch of betas can't build a highly developed country. Japan infrastructure is top notch. It puts the US and several other western countries to shame. I think you are confusing their cultural etiquette though. Asian can seem stupid/beta but they are not. It is just the way they act in public.

As far as guys are concerned, I found that most guys are going to be beta and a few are going to be alpha. That's just a thing of life. Big cities might have a higher concentration of alpha/hot girls but that's about it.

Japan is not resisting immigration, though. The doors are open. But immigrants do not move there. This is not a surprise. There was a time when the doors were open (like no visa required) and the west didn't have immigration issues.

Japan is a rich country but if you are starting from the bottom, you'll have a very hard time. Japanese people have high tolerance to misery. They hang on until things improve. They work hard. Salaries in Japan are very low comparing to the cost of living.

Immigrants from most poor countries have better financial chances if they work hard in their own countries. Most of their countries (except war-torn) have high growth rates and untapped opportunities. The reasons they don't? They are lazy, looking to get rich quick, or have issues in their motherland. Many have issues in their motherland (ex-criminals) and find that selling weed on the street is easier to make a living.

I remember when I landed on the Brussels Central station and seen the massive number of immigrants running around the station. Sending these back is not racism, it is common sense. I did not feel safe and it is not safe to have a thousand 20-something young man with no job, money, food or prospect running around.

I don't think Japanese people are racist. I think they are misunderstood. I have found both Japanese man and woman to be very friendly when traveling.

I think Japanese just demand higher standards if you are going to live in their country. Most people can't do that because it is much trouble for them.

So back to your question: Are they resisting globalisation? I don't think so. I think they are just misunderstood and their high-standards just making them look like they are resisting it. But they are not.

Are they helping the globalists? Not intentionally. I don't think Japan can sail on its own. They are a follower of the US and they have good reasons to stay that way. Japan is surrounded by North Korea, China and Russia. Having the US as a strong ally makes them sleep better at night even with Kim nukes.

You raise some valid points, but Laner, C-Note, and SamBRoberts hit the nail on the head. The whole globalist deal is an interesting one since it seems as though Japanese officials right alongside the US and their dealings, yet at the same time not accepting the cultural nuances that the Western world tries to dictate on others. From an initial view it isn’t a blatant mention of support or a brusque notion of opposition.

As mentioned before, the mainstream media articles on the country are hilariously misguided, clearly missing the whole point of the issue. You would think after all of this time and effort being spent into studying the people, that higher quality content would be written explaining how the bread is buttered over here. But alas, more “low birth rate” and herbivore men articles flood the English speaking airwaves, as if Japan is one big sideshow.

The thing is, on the surface it seems as though they are going along with the regularly scheduled programming. Not doing so didn’t end up well for them last time (which some early 20th century politicians tried to avoid, only to have been jailed, shot, or pressured to kill themselves) so the key strategy post-war is to pump all efforts into economic incentives and revitalizing the military, while retreating deep into the language and culture to thwart any sort of invasion.

Let’s face it, anime junkies ain’t going learn anything past their favorite show of the week.

English teachers ain’t caring about anything except giving 99% of their salary to their wives, at the threat of them leaving with the kids.

Tourists are busy taking pictures of temples or chasing tail at the local watering hole.

Which is right where the ringleaders want them.

Outsiders who cut through the thicket and are aware of how the game is played are dangerous.

Quote: (03-16-2018 02:35 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Globalism/Nationalism is not part of the language, and it's not part of the discourse there. It's simply not a "thing". Hell, you can go to amazon.co.jp and run a search for globalism and you'll see that not a single book's been published in the last year by a Japanese publishing house about globalism in the past year, and only two were written by crappy kindle unlimited authors. The word "Globalism" doesn't even show up in my IME (The built in Japanese dictionary that every computer has for converting English keyboard inputs into Japanese kanji/kana) which means it may as well not be a word. The closest equivalent after it is グローバル化 (Globalization), but to most Japanese it means things like forcing kids to take extra English lessons, not bringing in foreigners for cheap labor.

The US and the west are not the center of the world, and our politics do not dominate everywhere. Japan is an immensely insular, closed society that doesn't think about the rest of the world any more than we think about the weather on Mars. They're not giving in to the globalists or resisting them, they're simply not even aware of their existence.

Believe it or not, this is one of the most interesting things I read this year. Thanks for sharing this.

Quote: (03-16-2018 02:35 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

The US and the west are not the center of the world, and our politics do not dominate everywhere. Japan is an immensely insular, closed society that doesn't think about the rest of the world any more than we think about the weather on Mars. They're not giving in to the globalists or resisting them, they're simply not even aware of their existence.

This is true to some degree. If you talk to random people in Japan, they probably won't know what you're talking about if you ask about globalism. But, if you discuss it with a politician or a member of a Japanese lobbying group, think tank, or political action committee, or a journalist that covers national politics, they'll likely have a stunning amount of knowledge on the subject. Believe me, the Japanese political establishment is well aware of the current struggle between globalism and economic nationalism in the West, even if they don't talk about it publicly. There may not be many books on the subject, but the Japanese get a lot of their information from periodicals. There is a magazine or "mook" (book-length magazine) for just about every topic under the sun.

Quote: (03-16-2018 01:41 PM)C-Note Wrote:  

This is true to some degree. If you talk to random people in Japan, they probably won't know what you're talking about if you ask about globalism. But, if you discuss it with a politician or a member of a Japanese lobbying group, think tank, or political action committee, or a journalist that covers national politics, they'll likely have a stunning amount of knowledge on the subject. Believe me, the Japanese political establishment is well aware of the current struggle between globalism and economic nationalism in the West, even if they don't talk about it publicly. There may not be many books on the subject, but the Japanese get a lot of their information from periodicals. There is a magazine or "mook" (book-length magazine) for just about every topic under the sun.

Is that what "mook" stands for? I've been hauling around a collection of mooks for over a decade and I never knew. Always assumed it was it was the name of a company that just made a lot of those types of books. Huh, this really is an educational thread.
I don't know any politicians, but I do read some Japanese political writing, both in periodicals and books, and in general I find it to be naive and simplistic. It's possible that I'm just reading stupid people though.

Quote: (03-16-2018 02:41 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote: (03-16-2018 01:41 PM)C-Note Wrote:  

This is true to some degree. If you talk to random people in Japan, they probably won't know what you're talking about if you ask about globalism. But, if you discuss it with a politician or a member of a Japanese lobbying group, think tank, or political action committee, or a journalist that covers national politics, they'll likely have a stunning amount of knowledge on the subject. Believe me, the Japanese political establishment is well aware of the current struggle between globalism and economic nationalism in the West, even if they don't talk about it publicly. There may not be many books on the subject, but the Japanese get a lot of their information from periodicals. There is a magazine or "mook" (book-length magazine) for just about every topic under the sun.

Is that what "mook" stands for? I've been hauling around a collection of mooks for over a decade and I never knew. Always assumed it was it was the name of a company that just made a lot of those types of books. Huh, this really is an educational thread.
I don't know any politicians, but I do read some Japanese political writing, both in periodicals and books, and in general I find it to be naive and simplistic. It's possible that I'm just reading stupid people though.

When they write or speak in forums that are public about political or policy topics, they often do so in a really vague and general way. I'm not totally sure why they do it, but it's likely for a number of reasons, including: tradition, keeping their cards hidden, avoiding commitment when it's not necessary or prudent, A-B testing, misdirection, intentional obfuscation, avoiding offense, and the Japanese method of subtle persuasion.

When people say the Japanese language is vague, that's not totally true. It's just that the Japanese, for various reasons, typically talk vaguely, depending on the situation.

Actually, from what I have seen, it is actually the Japanese men that marry foreigners for the most part, not the women, these foreigners are usually other Asians, either Chinese, Pinay, Thai, Viet, etc. Cheaper and easier to maintain than a Japanese wife. Japanese females also marry foreigners, sure, but last time I checked, most international marriages were on the men's side.

Quote: (03-16-2018 03:49 AM)Mercenary Wrote:  

Quote: (03-16-2018 03:25 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

But Japan just by and large does not care about the outside world. They have their own society, and they like it, and they stick to themselves without interacting with others.

This is a bit too simplistic view.
Perhaps the average Japanese man is not interested in the outside world, but Japanese women certainly are.

The number of mixed race "hafu" (ハーフ) children in Japan is larger than it ever has been in history, so Japanese women are certainly not keeping to themselves when it comes to interacting with foreigners long term.

From the anecdotal stories I have heard, Japanese society views these mixed race children favourably provided they are mixed white/japanese and the child can speak and knows how to act correctly in Japanese society. Supposedly they even get treated better than the Japanese minority from Brazil. But, if someone else has better info on this I would be curious.

Also in Japan if you come from mixed parents you are not legally allowed to have dual citizenship (2 passports) when you become an adult.

Quote: (03-16-2018 02:35 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote: (03-15-2018 10:21 PM)Mercenary Wrote:  

This sort of reply brings nothing useful to the discussion and comes across as needlessly patronizing/condescending. If you have some sort of better understanding of Japanese culture than the rest of us, then elaborate your ideas rather than dropping unhelpful one liners.

I thought I was fairly clear: you're asking completely the wrong question. It's like asking whether Atilla the Hun was more of a communist or a democrat. Globalism/Nationalism is a Western dialectic that just doesn't map on to Japan well, because it's its own nation with its own history its own power structure, and its own ideologies. That's why you're confused, you're using a framework to try to understand them that simply　doesn't apply.

Globalism/Nationalism is not part of the language, and it's not part of the discourse there. It's simply not a "thing". Hell, you can go to amazon.co.jp and run a search for globalism and you'll see that not a single book's been published in the last year by a Japanese publishing house about globalism in the past year, and only two were written by crappy kindle unlimited authors. The word "Globalism" doesn't even show up in my IME (The built in Japanese dictionary that every computer has for converting English keyboard inputs into Japanese kanji/kana) which means it may as well not be a word. The closest equivalent after it is グローバル化 (Globalization), but to most Japanese it means things like forcing kids to take extra English lessons, not bringing in foreigners for cheap labor.

The US and the west are not the center of the world, and our politics do not dominate everywhere. Japan is an immensely insular, closed society that doesn't think about the rest of the world any more than we think about the weather on Mars. They're not giving in to the globalists or resisting them, they're simply not even aware of their existence.

Really good points, and I think this applies to the Chinese as well. A lot of posters in the China thread are trying to show that China is a tool of the globalists. However, as with other Asian countries, they have their own cultural and philosophical approaches that make the nationalist/globalist dichotomy irrelevant.