Whenever I go out to places like cafes and other public venue where people can sit down and read, work, socialize and such for a extended amount of time there where be people studying. I've noticed that a a vast majority, up to 90% of the people who are studying will be females. The men I do see studying will tend to be older, more professional looking types while with girls it rangers anywhere from high school students to college girls and above. I don't think I've ever once seen a teenage boy study out in public and even seeing a college aged guy studying is pretty uncommon.

It could be simply because there's more women hanging out in coffee shops but then I recall all the media articles about how women are overtaking men in education and I look back to my own experiences in school where it seemed like the girls would care way more about their grades and start freaking out if they got below a B whereas a lot of the guys would simply shrug their shoulders and go back to doing what they were doing. Have you guys made similar observations in your own life too?

No, school is catered to girls.

Endless busywork with relatively few challenges is suited to women who would otherwise be sewing, cleaning, or cooking in a sane world.

Math and physics classes, for instance, would stress fundamentally unanswerable (or unknowable) problems in their introductory coursework.

Now that is glossed over and it's time for yet another worksheet on long division.

It's not just that school is catered to girls. You forgot that nowadays, girls can't just study, they have to be seen studying. Whenever I study, it's in my room, by myself. This is the same for every guy I know who actually studies.

Whereas lots of girls I know plan to study in public, as it looks 'cute'. They post pictures of their 'hard work' on facebook or instagram. I don't know a single guy who has ever done that.

Britchard has it. Girls are weird in that they need an environment to study whether it's a library or coffee shop.

I always did my work in my bed room. Why travel someplace to do homework?

Quote: (07-24-2016 02:18 PM)britchard Wrote:  

It's not just that school is catered to girls. You forgot that nowadays, girls can't just study, they have to be seen studying. Whenever I study, it's in my room, by myself. This is the same for every guy I know who actually studies.

Whereas lots of girls I know plan to study in public, as it looks 'cute'. They post pictures of their 'hard work' on facebook or instagram. I don't know a single guy who has ever done that.

They think drinking coffee, selfie taking, and studying with a third of their attention is "multi-tasking."

Maybe they just need the extra study to keep up.

I graduated only a few years ago and the public areas (library, grill, etc) were usually 50/50. There might be a reason if you're referring to off-campus locations...like a new virtue to signal.

With chicks, it's never about the experience or the value of a thing itself, it's about the attention it brings.

When I started grade school in 1970, it seemed clear to me that the girls were studious and well behaved, and the boys were rambunctious and less devoted to doing their school work. I was around 12-13 before I became aware that boys excel more at the top levels in school. In my high school graduating class, it was mostly girls in the top 10 class rankings. Note: I grew up in a small town, so the kids I graduated high school with were substantially the same group I started with in first grade.

I think my class of 120 was small enough to have a statistical outlier in the number of high achieving girls vs boys, but separate from the issue of smartness and academic performance, I did think it was in the nature of girls to be more well behaved in class, and in the nature of boys to roughhouse and get in trouble.

I don't know how this relates to the modern age. So much has changed from the Americana small town I grew up in. However, I think in some ways girls are better suited to do well in school, as long as they can avoid classes with hard core math and science.

Edit: It's appropriate that with this post on schooling, I just graduated to Wingman!

Quote: (07-24-2016 02:31 PM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Britchard has it. Girls are weird in that they need an environment to study whether it's a library or coffee shop.

I always did my work in my bed room. Why travel someplace to do homework?

I have 2 theories. One is a modern phenomenon, the other is a primal one. It is most likely a mix of the two.

The modern one is that they have to be seen doing studying. They have to instagram it, facebook it, snapchat it, and just let everyone know that they're doing it in order to get attention/validation such as 'such a hard working girl'.

The primal one is that when humans lived as hunter-gatherers, in the tribes the women would always 'work' (as in picking berries and plants and looking after small children) together. The men would often have to work in small groups or alone, to maximise their hunting intake, and because there were less of them.

The thing about schooling and earning degrees is that, a degree is basically a societal stamp of approval, it's validation from an external source. I knew a girl who wouldn't date a guy because he was a plumber (had his own business, 6 figures) because he didn't have a degree and she did. Meanwhile, she did HR for maybe $40K a year. You see this in fitness, women wanting "certifications" without really understanding what's behind the certification. If you've ever seen the movie "Tommy Boy", he talks about the guarantee on a box of brake pads. Relevant point.

I received my degree in STEM and work in technical sales, amongst other gigs. When I was going through school, the thing I realized was that the females in Engineering were really good at the school part of it. That is to say, they were good at getting homework in on time, studying for the right kinds of questions for the test, etc. However, by the time senior design projects came along, which were really open ended and without much guidance, quite a few were at a loss. The problem with this set up was that, for the first few years of school, prior to the design projects, grades were individually based and once we got to the design projects, grades were group based, so this masked potential inability and in a sense, artificially inflated their grade. Guys during the first few years gave less fucks and did what they had to do to get by and that's it, as chasing tail was still a greater priority. So, where men were weak, it got reflected on their grades, where the women were arguably weak, it got masked due to the "group" grading where a lot of the guys happened to shine.

There were certainly very capable women in engineering, but many were at a loss when it came to doing things without some person of "authority" telling them what to do. They were great workers, don't get me wrong, but they sort of gamed things with effort. What I mean by that is, they always went to the prof's office hours, where they basically do the homework for you, and they were typically the first to ask if a type of problem/questions was going to be on the test. They studied to the test vs. actually understanding the principle.

Just to reiteraite, it's definitely not ALL women in STEM, but relative to the men, this happened more. A STEM degree these days says less about a person's real-world skillset and more about their academic abilities.

Dedicated to school? No. Catered to whilst AT school? Certainly.

Things men have to be drugged into doing: screwing ugly women, suicide bombing, public school.

When it comes to test taking and other such academic busy work - women excel. There are statistics to back it up. The way their brains function they are very suited for that kind of work. Doing homework, studying, making notecards and bullshit like that; fantastic work for women. I personally think women genuinely enjoy it. They need that low-but-constant mental stimulus. Makes them feel busy, productive, useful, etc. Hades said it first - the same reason why homemaking is best suited for women. They have replaced this with school/office work.

Pushing papers, typing, flipping through a text book, organizing, etc. I also notice that men who study or do academic work tend to be more comfortable doing it alone and in private whereas women do indeed like to be out and about when doing that shit. Part of it could be the narcissistic validation of being seen looking studious/productive/busy, but part of it may be something more feminine. Maybe in some way these women are hoping attractive men passing by will open them?

I don't understand the studying in coffee shops, but back in the day, you had to go to the library to study, if you didn't want to be lugging volumes back and forth.
When I was of studying age, the internet hadn't fully been formed, it wasn't very easy to navigate for actual studying. You had to either take notes from whatever the local library had, or photocopy pages to study at home.

No. As a man who has spent the last eight years working with high school students as a classroom teacher, academic facilitator, and now as curriculum supervisor, I can definitively say girls are no more dedicated to schooling/academics as they are eager to appease their authority in order coax special treatment. Every objective person knows girls ruin the lives of their peers beginning in 5th grade. Boys will punch you in the face on the playground. Girls manage to produce PTSD in other thirteen year olds through twitter and instagram.

Their "studious" behavior is a veneer to mask how malicious they really are. "Mr. Bodhisattva, Heather is saying X and doing Y and posting Z all over social media. I can't manage to be in the same group as her." Heather's shield is her class participation, her punctual work, and "concern" for her grade. No way would she be anything less than courtly with anyone.

Though this scenario applies to younger girls, a college-aged female's public display of academic pursuits is probably no less disingenuous. Like others have said, we know women are not intellectually curious or prolific. Just look at the dearth of women in the categories of great writers, artists, musicians, philosophers, film makers, scientists. Hell, everything for that matter. They are making public appeals that they are also intellectually minded. That they attempt to prove this by reading David Sedaris in a coffee shop is another matter.

Quote: (07-24-2016 04:46 PM)la bodhisattva Wrote:  

Every objective person knows girls ruin the lives of their peers beginning in 5th grade.

I am tempted to make this my signature.

Women are more likely to study in public and make a social gathering of it (study groups). Men prefer to study in private (a more efficient way of studying).

Secondary schooling is more suited to skills that women are better at: organization, performing rote tasks (homework), and time management (at that age). Creativity and ingenuity are not rewarded during these formative years. Thus, boys are not always able to excel at this age. School rewards consistent, teacher-pleasing behaviors.

Also think of the exponentially greater amount of stress/anguish, time, and energy guys expend in seeking out or missing out on relationships vs girls. You also have a big part of women being in a certain environment simply to be exposed to a certain set of guys.

Quote: (07-24-2016 02:38 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

Maybe they just need the extra study to keep up.

I graduated only a few years ago and the public areas (library, grill, etc) were usually 50/50. There might be a reason if you're referring to off-campus locations...like a new virtue to signal.

With chicks, it's never about the experience or the value of a thing itself, it's about the attention it brings.

Probably.

I actually prefer to study in a semi-private location. My program (again, grad school where all the students have 4-6 years work experience) actually has a room that only people with my area of career focus have access to. I generally like to work there because it is relatively quiet yet there are usually some folks in there taking the same classes that I am, which is good if someone has questions.

I find that the best students in school have always in common one of those characteristics:

• they come from a family that has high expectations from them (famous or successful).
• they come from a stable but poor, struggling family.
  

then there is all the shit in between, but in general i think that the main factor is family. if a family is stable and sets a good example, then the kid is more likely to have a good school career.
also, you already know this :
http://family-studies.org/dad-and-the-di...raduation/

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fathers typically play an important role in advancing the welfare of their children. Focusing on the impact of family structure, McLanahan has found that, compared to children from single-parent homes, children who live with both their mother and father have significantly lower rates of nonmarital childbearing and incarceration and higher rates of high school and college graduation. Examining the extent and style of paternal involvement, Parke notes, for instance, that engaged fathers play an important role in “helping sons and daughters achieve independent and distinct identities” and that this independence often translates into educational and occupational success.

Regarding the studying environment, this is productivity 101, it is easier to study in a place dedicated to studying rather than in a bedroom with your xbox ready to pwn noobz.
that said, idk how they can study outside, i tried it and ended up lying on the grass, book under my head, blissfully smoking a pack of cigarettes.

women are typically more suited and dedicated for whatever society molds them for. In America's case that would be frappe slurping drones to be harvested for teacher's union wages for a duration no shorter than 16 years and then they are thrown to the meat grinder of whatever guys can get the dick in.

You could tell women to live like women do in Saudi Arabia and I honestly think they'd be just as happy on a whole. Men don't mold so easily, they are meant to be leaders or to compete with the leader in their tribe for that role.

I use to date a K-12 teacher and she even admitted that public schools (in the USA) discriminated against boys.

Discrimination as one would expect, leads to disenfranchisement.

And disenfranchisement often results in people losing their dedication towards something.

I wonder if schools should for some classes have separate classes based on gender. Not a chance in hell it will ever happen in the US though. The aforementioned K-12 teacher I use to see said she planned on homeschooling her kids; which was a surprise to hear initially. I was against the idea years ago but I know better now; I'm totally on board the home school train given the right conditions. That or certain types of private schools. Public schools these days have completely lost the plot on all fronts when it comes to teaching and especially teaching boys.

As for coffee shop female attention whores:

I have never really understood why people go to coffee shops to do work. I get it if you are traveling, your place doesn't have wi-fi, or maybe you just need a workplace where it's a bit harder to be lazy. To each and their own.

But I like my kitchen. I like my toilet. I like my food and drinks which cost a fraction of what any coffee shop charges. And I like it dead quiet with no distractions.

But most women can't handle struggle in solitude with pretty much anything. They always have an orbiter, white-knight stranger, parent, professor, boyfriend, fuckbuddy, daddy government, or social circle to prop them up and help do some of the lifting. Or at the very least, give attention and acknowledgement to their so called "struggles." So, it's no great surprise that when they are "working hard" in a coffee shop, they are not completely alone even if not getting help directly from anyone. It's comfort thing I suppose.

I suppose it's not in their nature to suffer alone for the most part. It never has been the case and never will be. That's why none of them can truly comprehend the struggles of a man. When we suffer, we often suffer alone.

Another factor is delayed verbal skills in boys. Girls are ahead of boys in primary and secondary school. However, boys catch up once they reach adulthood. They remain ahead go girls in quantitative reasoning through the lifespan. Men don't reach they full potential until they enter college age studies. Schools do a terrible job of fostering the development of boys education and academic growth.

3rd time I posted it, but here's how we can fix schools. From this thread
archive/inde...53706.html

How to improve schools:
1. End tenure for teachers
2. End summer vacation and spread more breaks around the year (a la UK style breaks)
3. Separate out male and female students into different buildings. Require more male teachers for both schools.
4. Make school 9-5 and eliminate home work and stupid "read this book over break" assignments. All learning and studying should be done in school.
5. Increase the pay of teachers and eliminate pay increases for master's degrees. They don't improve teaching ability.
6. Sports and fitness programs are to be done between the 9-5 block of time.
7. Have child tax and welfare( if applicable) credits be dependent on school performance. A poor performing student will most likely end up on government dole, if a welfare recipient had to contend with her welfare paycheck and tax refund being dictated by her thugrat you can damn well guarantee she'll be beating into the kid the importance of school and good grades.
8. Bring back the paddle for extreme malcontents.

This forces the two biggest failures in schooling (parents and educators) to have to take ownership of the problem.

Quote: (07-25-2016 06:44 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

Men don't reach they full potential until they enter college age studies. Schools do a terrible job of fostering the development of boys education and academic growth.

From what I read, a man's brain doesn't reach maturity until around age 25.

Has anyone mentioned the fact that a significant chunk of female educational attainment comes from high-performing Betas writing homework, projects and exams for them?

Source: 5 years of mindlessly helping out female colleagues in the hopes of scoring a date (never did)

Quote: (07-25-2016 11:57 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

Has anyone mentioned the fact that a significant chunk of female educational attainment comes from high-performing Betas writing homework, projects and exams for them?

Source: 5 years of mindlessly helping out female colleagues in the hopes of scoring a date (never did)

Dude, you are giving me a flashback. When I was in college I worked in an upscale restaurant on the weekends and at the end of a shift the hot sorority girl hostess started flirting with me and invited me to come back to her sorority after work to get to know each other better.

I couldn't believe my luck and we glided in her sorority house past all her sisters and upstairs to her room.

The minute the door was closed she pointed to her desk and a pile of books and said, well, there it is.

I said, what?

She said, my paper, I need you to write it.

My twenty one year old mind, so innocent, was so offended that I left without a word, hearing her asking asking me what was wrong as I walked past her and out the door.

I never helped a girl I wasn't going out with after that. It was lucky, in a way, that her term paper game sucked so bad, or I probably, nice guy that I was, would have been roped into a bunch of study sessions for the rest of my college career.

Even my blue pill mind was offended that she thought I would jump at the opportunity to help her without even having to ask, really, that it was enough to be in her presence that she didn't even have to dangle the possibility of sex over me to get it started.

You are right though, they are probably out socializing and mindlessly shuffling papers while their nerdy orbiter is back at the dorm writing the paper the night before it is due.