Just cross-posting this thread here, because I thought the graphic was interesting and helpful:
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-42604.html
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-42604.html
Quote: (12-16-2014 11:29 PM)sammybiker Wrote:
Man, great work but holy shit...3hrs a day? I couldn't even imagine.
What about reducing workout to 60-90min and running a caloric deficiency? 1500cals/daily does wonders for most, especially when coupled with physical daily activity.
Quote: (12-17-2014 07:20 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:
Quote: (12-16-2014 11:29 PM)sammybiker Wrote:
Man, great work but holy shit...3hrs a day? I couldn't even imagine.
What about reducing workout to 60-90min and running a caloric deficiency? 1500cals/daily does wonders for most, especially when coupled with physical daily activity.
I've tried that before but I couldn't stand the horrendous hunger cravings between meals/snacks. I know there are work-arounds for that, but I find it less painful just to work it all off, plus the long cardio sessions give me better endurance.
I think there is a way to make the workouts less time consuming and that is to do more high-energy/intensity workouts like Tabatas, Insanity, burpees, super-setting, etc combined with regular weight lifting. If I wasn't doing triathlon training that's probably the way I would go. Doing it that way I think could burn the same number of calories in 2 hours vs the 3.
What also worked for me in the past was doing 30-45 minutes of cardio and 30 minutes of weightlifting at lunch, then doing an hour of sparring/rolling in karate (full-contact), Judo, and/or BJJ after work. However, I stopped with the martial arts awhile ago because I kept getting hurt.
Quote: (12-17-2014 01:44 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:
Quote: (12-17-2014 07:20 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:
Quote: (12-16-2014 11:29 PM)sammybiker Wrote:
Man, great work but holy shit...3hrs a day? I couldn't even imagine.
What about reducing workout to 60-90min and running a caloric deficiency? 1500cals/daily does wonders for most, especially when coupled with physical daily activity.
I've tried that before but I couldn't stand the horrendous hunger cravings between meals/snacks. I know there are work-arounds for that, but I find it less painful just to work it all off, plus the long cardio sessions give me better endurance.
I think there is a way to make the workouts less time consuming and that is to do more high-energy/intensity workouts like Tabatas, Insanity, burpees, super-setting, etc combined with regular weight lifting. If I wasn't doing triathlon training that's probably the way I would go. Doing it that way I think could burn the same number of calories in 2 hours vs the 3.
What also worked for me in the past was doing 30-45 minutes of cardio and 30 minutes of weightlifting at lunch, then doing an hour of sparring/rolling in karate (full-contact), Judo, and/or BJJ after work. However, I stopped with the martial arts awhile ago because I kept getting hurt.
I can understand the probable need for nearly daily exercise to train for an event or to build one's physical endurance for some reason, such as being able to carry groceries or to carry ones girlfriend or being able to feel comfortable in a bar fight; however, if the goal is to lose belly fat, then most likely the key is going to be diet and sleep and exercise need NOT be so central.
Exercising 3 times a week and 30-60 minutes per session should be sufficient for maintenance, for sustainability and regular guys.
Carlos100: Do you want to reduce your belly fat or your percentage of body fat, or are you content with your current status? What's your diet, generally? approximate macro ratios (proteins, fats and carbs)? and then within those specifically what kinds of examples of each are within your weekly eating routine?
Quote: (12-18-2014 02:37 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:
Quote: (12-17-2014 01:44 PM)JayJuanGee Wrote:
Quote: (12-17-2014 07:20 AM)Carlos100 Wrote:
Quote: (12-16-2014 11:29 PM)sammybiker Wrote:
Man, great work but holy shit...3hrs a day? I couldn't even imagine.
What about reducing workout to 60-90min and running a caloric deficiency? 1500cals/daily does wonders for most, especially when coupled with physical daily activity.
I've tried that before but I couldn't stand the horrendous hunger cravings between meals/snacks. I know there are work-arounds for that, but I find it less painful just to work it all off, plus the long cardio sessions give me better endurance.
I think there is a way to make the workouts less time consuming and that is to do more high-energy/intensity workouts like Tabatas, Insanity, burpees, super-setting, etc combined with regular weight lifting. If I wasn't doing triathlon training that's probably the way I would go. Doing it that way I think could burn the same number of calories in 2 hours vs the 3.
What also worked for me in the past was doing 30-45 minutes of cardio and 30 minutes of weightlifting at lunch, then doing an hour of sparring/rolling in karate (full-contact), Judo, and/or BJJ after work. However, I stopped with the martial arts awhile ago because I kept getting hurt.
I can understand the probable need for nearly daily exercise to train for an event or to build one's physical endurance for some reason, such as being able to carry groceries or to carry ones girlfriend or being able to feel comfortable in a bar fight; however, if the goal is to lose belly fat, then most likely the key is going to be diet and sleep and exercise need NOT be so central.
Exercising 3 times a week and 30-60 minutes per session should be sufficient for maintenance, for sustainability and regular guys.
Carlos100: Do you want to reduce your belly fat or your percentage of body fat, or are you content with your current status? What's your diet, generally? approximate macro ratios (proteins, fats and carbs)? and then within those specifically what kinds of examples of each are within your weekly eating routine?
I'm just trying to lose as much belly fat as possible before I end this exercise marathon next month. My weekday diet is: tuna fish sandwich for breakfast and lunch. Banana for between meal snack. 30 oz Vitamix vegetable puree for dinner. Some cheese if I get hungry again before bedtime. Weekends I try to stick to proteins (red meat, cheese, eggs) and more vegetable purees.
Like I said, in about 3 weeks I will probably go back to my 2-hour workouts with the goal of maintaining the fat loss I achieve during this two-month period of extended exercise. I think if I can keep the alcohol consumption low and continue to avoid sweets and junk food, that I can keep it off.
Quote: (04-14-2016 02:48 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:
I discovered the secret of losing belly fat through improving my health. Losing weight has nothing to do with counting calories
Quote: (04-14-2016 02:48 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:
The key is to eat foods that are good for you. You can then eat all that you want. Any excess weight that you carry will naturally melt away.
Quote: (04-14-2016 03:30 PM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote:
[quote] (04-14-2016 02:48 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:
What you are saying here is wrong:
(04-14-2016, 07:48 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote: The key is to eat foods that are good for you. You can then eat all that you want. Any excess weight that you carry will naturally melt away.
Quote: (04-14-2016 06:15 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:
Quote: (04-14-2016 03:30 PM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote:
[quote] (04-14-2016 02:48 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:
What you are saying here is wrong:
(04-14-2016, 07:48 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote: The key is to eat foods that are good for you. You can then eat all that you want. Any excess weight that you carry will naturally melt away.
While I agree with much of what you said in your post, nothing that I stated in the quotation that you highlighted above is wrong. If you eat natural unrefined foods as nature intended, you can literally eat as much as you want -- and you will lose weight.
I agree that it is mostly because natural foods are less calorie-dense.
Quote: (04-15-2016 01:21 AM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote:
Quote: (04-14-2016 06:15 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:
Quote: (04-14-2016 03:30 PM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote:
[quote] (04-14-2016 02:48 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:
What you are saying here is wrong:
(04-14-2016, 07:48 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote: The key is to eat foods that are good for you. You can then eat all that you want. Any excess weight that you carry will naturally melt away.
While I agree with much of what you said in your post, nothing that I stated in the quotation that you highlighted above is wrong. If you eat natural unrefined foods as nature intended, you can literally eat as much as you want -- and you will lose weight.
I agree that it is mostly because natural foods are less calorie-dense.
Technically, it is wrong. If you ate double the amount of what you eat now (especially nuts, fruits and whole grain rice you mentioned), chances are you would not lose weight.
Quote: (04-15-2016 11:14 AM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote:
I am doing high carb, low fat when I am on a caloric surplus, i.e. trying to gain weight by building muscle. I feel like this way I can bulk "leaner". I am not going as low as CaptainGh though. 10-20g of Fats are extremely low in my opinion. I am eating 40-50 grams of fats while bulking. @Captain: Do you have any negative side effects from your low fat intake? I heard of people complaining about a very low sexdrive when they go that low with fats.
When on a cut, I am doing low fat and low carb. Right now I am eating around 1500kcal per day (60g carbs, 200g proteins, 50g fats). I don't count them anymore because after 1 year of counting calories I pretty much developed a good feeling for how many calories my foods have. I only track my protein intake and try to avoid carbs and fats as much as I can. Actually, it is easier for me to execute my diet when I am cutting than when I am bulking. Intermittent Fasting helps a lot here. The only downside is that it is hard to make progress in the gym when you are on a 1000kcal deficit.
Quote: (04-15-2016 09:44 AM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote:
I am understanding your point, even though English is not my first language
I think you don't understand what I meant. From a scientific point of view, your statement that "you can eat all you want if you eat foods that are good for you" is simply wrong. It is great for you that you can't eat more than you are already eating but I meant hypothetically you would not lose weight if you ate double the amount of food. This is science. If food is healthy or unhealthy has no direct impact on your weight, only an indirect impact since healthy foods tend to have less calories.
Quote: (04-15-2016 09:44 AM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote:
You can lose weight eating McDonald's everyday just as you can gain weight eating only healthy things.
Quote: (04-15-2016 09:44 AM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote:
In the end it is all about calories and of course,
Quote: (04-15-2016 09:44 AM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote:
if you eat extremely healthy you are more likely to lose weight but it is not a sure thing. If you eat too much fruits and nuts (in addition to your other 2-3 meals) for example, you can easily hit maintenance calories although you are still eating healthy.
Quote: (04-15-2016 09:44 AM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote:
It also depends on how many calories your body needs to maintain weight. You started with 205 pounds of body weight, so of course it was almost impossible for you to hit maintenance calories with healthy food and thus you lost weight. But somebody who weighs less, has a slower metabolism and burns less calories during the day might already stop losing weight if he hits 1900-2200kcal.
Quote: (04-15-2016 09:44 AM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote:
I like your approach of a diet though and think that more people should do it like you.
Quote: (04-15-2016 10:56 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:
TL;DR: We have a choice to make between High Carbs- Low Fat and Low Carb High Fat diets. The more High Carbs and High Fat are blended in, the chubbier you'll be Keto is better for most people.
Quote: (04-15-2016 10:56 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:
↑↑ You guys are pretty much saying the same thing, but using different ways of saying it. By eating healthy, you can pretty much stuff yourself, and your body will let you know automatically when it's full. By doing so, your metabolism will kick start itself, and then the weight will fall off. The big problem that most people in Western society have is what is healthy. Vegan? Paleo? Keto?
Quote: (04-15-2016 11:14 AM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote:
I am doing high carb, low fat when I am on a caloric surplus, i.e. trying to gain weight by building muscle. I feel like this way I can bulk "leaner". I am not going as low as CaptainGh though. 10-20g of Fats are extremely low in my opinion. I am eating 40-50 grams of fats while bulking. @Captain: Do you have any negative side effects from your low fat intake? I heard of people complaining about a very low sexdrive when they go that low with fats.
Quote: (04-15-2016 11:58 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:
Quote: (04-15-2016 11:14 AM)RagnarLothbrok Wrote:
I am doing high carb, low fat when I am on a caloric surplus, i.e. trying to gain weight by building muscle. I feel like this way I can bulk "leaner". I am not going as low as CaptainGh though. 10-20g of Fats are extremely low in my opinion. I am eating 40-50 grams of fats while bulking. @Captain: Do you have any negative side effects from your low fat intake? I heard of people complaining about a very low sexdrive when they go that low with fats.
When on a cut, I am doing low fat and low carb. Right now I am eating around 1500kcal per day (60g carbs, 200g proteins, 50g fats). I don't count them anymore because after 1 year of counting calories I pretty much developed a good feeling for how many calories my foods have. I only track my protein intake and try to avoid carbs and fats as much as I can. Actually, it is easier for me to execute my diet when I am cutting than when I am bulking. Intermittent Fasting helps a lot here. The only downside is that it is hard to make progress in the gym when you are on a 1000kcal deficit.
That's a good point that you brought up. As long as I make sure to get my chicken Breast in, I'm always good to go even when my fats are that low. My only concern is to always remain lean as I'm naturally a big dude. Eating more fats makes me look super fluffy, so I stay away from that. I'm sure if I was smaller, that I would eat more fat without a concern. Without my chicken breast, my dick stays at the same size, but way softer than usual. Chicken Breast is the key that holds everything together for me.
Quote: (07-22-2016 02:23 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:
Quote: (04-15-2016 10:56 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:
TL;DR: We have a choice to make between High Carbs- Low Fat and Low Carb High Fat diets. The more High Carbs and High Fat are blended in, the chubbier you'll be Keto is better for most people.
You have a lot of decent ideas, especially when you are talking about keto and everything, but you seem to be mixing up some context, especially when it comes to your ideas about what is fat, and you seem to think that low fat is good when in fact, fat is not the problem, except to the extent that you may be talking about various kinds of processed fats, inferior fats or fats that are mixed with carbs (and in that case the carbs is the more likely problem)
Quote: (07-22-2016 10:23 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:
Quote: (07-22-2016 02:23 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:
Quote: (04-15-2016 10:56 AM)Captain Gh Wrote:
TL;DR: We have a choice to make between High Carbs- Low Fat and Low Carb High Fat diets. The more High Carbs and High Fat are blended in, the chubbier you'll be Keto is better for most people.
You have a lot of decent ideas, especially when you are talking about keto and everything, but you seem to be mixing up some context, especially when it comes to your ideas about what is fat, and you seem to think that low fat is good when in fact, fat is not the problem, except to the extent that you may be talking about various kinds of processed fats, inferior fats or fats that are mixed with carbs (and in that case the carbs is the more likely problem)
I agree with almost everything that you stated in your four posts, except about eating bacon (unless you meant 100% natural bacon instead of processed bacon).
Because you know so much about fats, I do have a question for you. Dr. Mercola, whose knowledge base I respect immensely, claims that "most people actually need upwards of 50-70 percent healthful fats in their diet for optimal health! My personal diet is about 60-70 percent healthy fat." Here is a sample article just so other members know what I mean.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...heart.aspx
Dr. Mercola regularly makes this claim, yet he never provides an example of how to accomplish this goal (or at least not one that I have seen). I assume that he means 50-70 percent by calorie count rather than weight or volume because fat is far more calorie dense: carbohydrate provides 4 calories per gram, protein provides 4 calories per gram, and fat provides 9 calories per gram.
Yet, even by calorie count I find it hard to envision a daily healthy diet that is 60-70 percent healthy fat. Leaving aside the common sense items such as coconut oil, olive oil, and butter, you would need to eat the per meal equivalent of a grass fed steak that is half fat -- and then drink all that fat after you cook it. I suppose eating a ton of free range eggs (almost half fat) and coconut milk might do it.
I must be missing something rather elemental. Any idea what such a realistic healthy diet might look like?
Quote: (07-22-2016 10:49 AM)Balkan Wrote:
I get where you're coming from. Eating a significant amount of calories from fat easily gets repetitive. I found a system that works for me but I'd be lying if I said it didn't get boring.
Quote: (07-22-2016 10:23 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:
Quote: (07-22-2016 02:23 AM)JayJuanGee Wrote:
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I agree with almost everything that you stated in your four posts, except about eating bacon (unless you meant 100% natural bacon instead of processed bacon).
Quote: (07-22-2016 10:23 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:
Because you know so much about fats, I do have a question for you. Dr. Mercola, whose knowledge base I respect immensely, claims that "most people actually need upwards of 50-70 percent healthful fats in their diet for optimal health! My personal diet is about 60-70 percent healthy fat." Here is a sample article just so other members know what I mean.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...heart.aspx
Quote: (07-22-2016 10:23 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:
Dr. Mercola regularly makes this claim, yet he never provides an example of how to accomplish this goal (or at least not one that I have seen). I assume that he means 50-70 percent by calorie count rather than weight or volume because fat is far more calorie dense: carbohydrate provides 4 calories per gram, protein provides 4 calories per gram, and fat provides 9 calories per gram.
Quote: (07-22-2016 10:23 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:
Yet, even by calorie count I find it hard to envision a daily healthy diet that is 60-70 percent healthy fat. Leaving aside the common sense items such as coconut oil, olive oil, and butter, you would need to eat the per meal equivalent of a grass fed steak that is half fat -- and then drink all that fat after you cook it. I suppose eating a ton of free range eggs (almost half fat) and coconut milk might do it.
I must be missing something rather elemental. Any idea what such a realistic healthy diet might look like?