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I'm 5'8 and never, never, never even thought about my height until I found this forum and seen so many guys talking about it.

You literally NEVER EVER thought about your height until you went to this forum? Come on.

Quote: (10-27-2011 01:30 AM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

Quote: (10-26-2011 02:31 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Within my own circle of friends and acquaintances, women like height. They like a guy to be around 6' minimum.

Asking a woman what kind of guy she'd like to meet is plain dumb. They all would like a guy with Johnny Depp's face, Fabio body, Ron Jeremy's dick and Donald Trump's bank account. This doesn't mean this would be the only guy she'd fuck. In fact every guy she fucked before was not even close to that.

Sure, there may be like 2% of women who will NOT go to bed with the guys below 6'. There may also be 2% of women who will NOT go to bed with the guy with less than 8" dick, with a guy who is not Pacific Islander or with a guy who isn't a firefighter or cop. Skip the, and check other 98%.

Well...this premise is probably true of men too, when you ask them what their ideal woman looks like. How many chicks has the average guy banged that actually met that standard? Probably not many. Most people will never meet someone that meets EVERY, or near every characteristic on the list. But we know women's lists to be far longer than men's, and something like height is one of those things that women can look at and immediately disqualify a man. And women can be VERY superficial and eliminate a dude on some minor thing because they always think there's going to be another guy walking up to them...until guys stop walking up to them. I'm sure they aren't pulling out tape measures to be exact, but a guy generally needs to be in the neighborhood of what they're looking for unless he catches their attention for other reasons. There's almost always a "but" with chicks anyway...

My cousin Jimmie is 5'8 and the tallest person in his family of all time. He brags about it. He pulls the finest tail you can imagine.
I measured in at 5'7 the other day and no problems on my end either. My cousin Crazy Lou is about 5'8 or 5'9 nobody in our family knows how he got so tall. Greeks aren't that tall. It's no problem.

Broad shoulders will get you farther with women than height.

You can't change your height. You can change your body.

Which is why guys love endlessly debating shit like height. It's a cop out. Instead of hitting the weights HARD, they focus on what they CAN'T CHANGE.

Beta.

The guys who say that height doesn't matter reminds me of the women that say that big can be beautiful.

It's the #1 physical trait that women find most attractive. US sperm banks won't take your sperm if you're not above average height, even if you're a successful and good looking guy. Now why would that be? It's a near-universal preference for height. There's no pre-requisite for broad shoulders, eye color, hair, etc etc.

Being tall is even more important than becoming a millionaire by age 25.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123853&page=1

"McGinty helped ABCNEWS put together an experiment to test just how willing women are to date shorter men. We brought together several short men and asked them to stand next to taller men. We invited groups of women to look at the men and choose a date.

To see if the women would go for short guys who were successful, ABCNEWS' Lynn Sherr created extraordinary résumés for the shorter men. She told the women that the shorter men included a doctor, a best-selling author, a champion skier, a venture capitalist who'd made millions by the age of 25.

Nothing worked. The women always chose the tall men. Sherr asked whether there'd be anything she could say that would make the shortest of the men, who was 5 feet, irresistible. One of the women replied, "Maybe the only thing you could say is that the other four are murderers." Another backed her up, saying that had the taller men had a criminal record she might have been swayed to choose a shorter man. Another said she'd have considered the shorter men, if the taller men had been described as "child molesters."

The desire for tall men begins very young, apparently. ABCNEWS gave elementary school students a test, asking them to match a small, medium or large figure of a man with a series of words. The kids overwhelmingly linked the tall figure to the words strong, handsome and smart. The linked the short figure to the words sad, scared and weak. More than half of the kids also chose to link the short figure to the words, dumb, yucky and no friends."

If you're a stickler for double blind studies and P values, do your own search as there's plenty more evidence backing this up.

That being said, don't fucking whine about being short. Play the hand you're dealt, outgame the guys with tall genes, and propagate your own!

Quote: (10-27-2011 06:06 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

The guys who say that height doesn't matter reminds me of the women that say that big can be beautiful.

Who said it doesn't matter. If you can't change it, what good does focusing on it do?

Pointless.

Focus on what matters and that you can change.

The rest is pointless pseudo-intellectual masturbation and a distraction from the game.

Quote: (10-27-2011 06:15 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

The rest is pointless pseudo-intellectual masturbation and a distraction from the game.

Yup no argument here.

Quote: (10-27-2011 06:06 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

The guys who say that height doesn't matter reminds me of the women that say that big can be beautiful.

It's the #1 physical trait that women find most attractive. US sperm banks won't take your sperm if you're not above average height, even if you're a successful and good looking guy. Now why would that be? It's a near-universal preference for height. There's no pre-requisite for broad shoulders, eye color, hair, etc etc.

Being tall is even more important than becoming a millionaire by age 25.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123853&page=1

"McGinty helped ABCNEWS put together an experiment to test just how willing women are to date shorter men. We brought together several short men and asked them to stand next to taller men. We invited groups of women to look at the men and choose a date.

To see if the women would go for short guys who were successful, ABCNEWS' Lynn Sherr created extraordinary résumés for the shorter men. She told the women that the shorter men included a doctor, a best-selling author, a champion skier, a venture capitalist who'd made millions by the age of 25.

Nothing worked. The women always chose the tall men. Sherr asked whether there'd be anything she could say that would make the shortest of the men, who was 5 feet, irresistible. One of the women replied, "Maybe the only thing you could say is that the other four are murderers." Another backed her up, saying that had the taller men had a criminal record she might have been swayed to choose a shorter man. Another said she'd have considered the shorter men, if the taller men had been described as "child molesters."

The desire for tall men begins very young, apparently. ABCNEWS gave elementary school students a test, asking them to match a small, medium or large figure of a man with a series of words. The kids overwhelmingly linked the tall figure to the words strong, handsome and smart. The linked the short figure to the words sad, scared and weak. More than half of the kids also chose to link the short figure to the words, dumb, yucky and no friends."

If you're a stickler for double blind studies and P values, do your own search as there's plenty more evidence backing this up.

That being said, don't fucking whine about being short. Play the hand you're dealt, outgame the guys with tall genes, and propagate your own!

I love how you try to use encouragement at the end after citing an article like that! Lol. Still, you aren't saying anything that isn't true. Again, I don't think it's a death sentence, as long as the girl is your height, an inch taller or shorter than you are, as long as your on the nicer looking side of things otherwise, but it does add a large degree of difficulity that I wish wasn't there. But again, nothing can be done about it. So, us short guys must game on!

Height is generally what makes women decide if a man is physically attractive or not. That said, most women, even smart ones, can't numerically tell how tall a guy is. So long as they're taller than her, she assumes that he's good enough.

Quote: (10-27-2011 06:06 PM)gringoed Wrote:  

The guys who say that height doesn't matter reminds me of the women that say that big can be beautiful.

It's the #1 physical trait that women find most attractive. US sperm banks won't take your sperm if you're not above average height, even if you're a successful and good looking guy. Now why would that be? It's a near-universal preference for height. There's no pre-requisite for broad shoulders, eye color, hair, etc etc.

Being tall is even more important than becoming a millionaire by age 25.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123853&page=1

"McGinty helped ABCNEWS put together an experiment to test just how willing women are to date shorter men. We brought together several short men and asked them to stand next to taller men. We invited groups of women to look at the men and choose a date.

To see if the women would go for short guys who were successful, ABCNEWS' Lynn Sherr created extraordinary résumés for the shorter men. She told the women that the shorter men included a doctor, a best-selling author, a champion skier, a venture capitalist who'd made millions by the age of 25.

Nothing worked. The women always chose the tall men. Sherr asked whether there'd be anything she could say that would make the shortest of the men, who was 5 feet, irresistible. One of the women replied, "Maybe the only thing you could say is that the other four are murderers." Another backed her up, saying that had the taller men had a criminal record she might have been swayed to choose a shorter man. Another said she'd have considered the shorter men, if the taller men had been described as "child molesters."

The desire for tall men begins very young, apparently. ABCNEWS gave elementary school students a test, asking them to match a small, medium or large figure of a man with a series of words. The kids overwhelmingly linked the tall figure to the words strong, handsome and smart. The linked the short figure to the words sad, scared and weak. More than half of the kids also chose to link the short figure to the words, dumb, yucky and no friends."

If you're a stickler for double blind studies and P values, do your own search as there's plenty more evidence backing this up.

That being said, don't fucking whine about being short. Play the hand you're dealt, outgame the guys with tall genes, and propagate your own!

Rubbish article! The women think they would choose the taller guy, but as Roissy says, if the shorter guy was better at spinning her hamster he would get the date. Women honestly believe the crap that comes out of their own mouths.

What was the height of the short guys they compared to the tall guys?

Quote: (10-27-2011 03:46 PM)Scarlet_Terror Wrote:  

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I'm 5'8 and never, never, never even thought about my height until I found this forum and seen so many guys talking about it.

You literally NEVER EVER thought about your height until you went to this forum? Come on.

No I never did. I've never had a girl or anyone mention how short I was either. Bet me and mechanico could do more damage if we went out with some of y'all tall guys

Damn, some cats are getting down on themselves and self-loathing in this thread. Time to add some positivity to this discussion.

Lionel Messi, the greatest soccer player in the world, is 5'7.
Tom Cruise, leading man of his generation and worldwide sex symbol for many years, is 5'7.
Andres Iniesta, the Spanish footballer who scored the goal to win the World Cup, is 5'7.
Usher, a top global sex symbol, is 5'8.
Bono is like 5'5 or so.

Before everyone starts with "they have FAME/WEALTH/etc.", there was a time when these dudes weren't world famous or well known in their profession. There was a time when they were working their way up and struggling like everyone else. Tom Cruise was just a young, unknown actor showing up to countless auditions. Andres Iniesta was a 5'7 cat who was playing his way up against bigger dudes on the pitch. Bono was a 5'5 rocker playing in shitty bars in Ireland and the UK. Through dogged determination and not giving a fuck about something called height they worked their way up and became who they became. So what I say is take that dogged determination and indifference to height that they had and use it. Become great in your own way.

And as many others have said, CONFIDENCE is huge.

Quote: (10-27-2011 11:24 PM)El Rey Wrote:  

Damn, some cats are getting down on themselves and self-loathing in this thread. Time to add some positivity to this discussion.

Lionel Messi, the greatest soccer player in the world, is 5'7.
Tom Cruise, leading man of his generation and worldwide sex symbol for many years, is 5'7.
Andres Iniesta, the Spanish footballer who scored the goal to win the World Cup, is 5'7.
Usher, a top global sex symbol, is 5'8.
Bono is like 5'5 or so.

Before everyone starts with "they have FAME/WEALTH/etc.", there was a time when these dudes weren't world famous or well known in their profession. There was a time when they were working their way up and struggling like everyone else. Tom Cruise was just a young, unknown actor showing up to countless auditions. Andres Iniesta was a 5'7 cat who was playing his way up against bigger dudes on the pitch. Bono was a 5'5 rocker playing in shitty bars in Ireland and the UK. Through dogged determination and not giving a fuck about something called height they worked their way up and became who they became. So what I say is take that dogged determination and indifference to height that they had and use it. Become great in your own way.

And as many others have said, CONFIDENCE is huge.

Very good post! Very inspiring. I would like to say however that I don't believe most people are self-loathing when they mention their height, and how it's not extremely popular to be short. I for one bring the point up, hoping to see inspiritional posts like your, as well as brain storm on tactics, places to travel, and other useful information that can help lessen the negative factor of being short.

Quote: (10-27-2011 11:24 PM)El Rey Wrote:  

Damn, some cats are getting down on themselves and self-loathing in this thread. Time to add some positivity to this discussion.

Lionel Messi, the greatest soccer player in the world, is 5'7.
Tom Cruise, leading man of his generation and worldwide sex symbol for many years, is 5'7.
Andres Iniesta, the Spanish footballer who scored the goal to win the World Cup, is 5'7.
Usher, a top global sex symbol, is 5'8.
Bono is like 5'5 or so.

Before everyone starts with "they have FAME/WEALTH/etc.", there was a time when these dudes weren't world famous or well known in their profession. There was a time when they were working their way up and struggling like everyone else. Tom Cruise was just a young, unknown actor showing up to countless auditions. Andres Iniesta was a 5'7 cat who was playing his way up against bigger dudes on the pitch. Bono was a 5'5 rocker playing in shitty bars in Ireland and the UK. Through dogged determination and not giving a fuck about something called height they worked their way up and became who they became. So what I say is take that dogged determination and indifference to height that they had and use it. Become great in your own way.

And as many others have said, CONFIDENCE is huge.

These are also disciplines/sports where height/size has NEVER mattered. Hell, Verne Troyer (Mini Me) is a fixture at the Playboy Mansion, and I'm sure he fucks. Once they got famous, it's hard to deny that it provides unlimited ass. Dudes like David Spade, who's also a munchkin, gets all the ass he can handle. Sylvester Stallone is also short, and he was married to Bridgitte Neilsen, who towered over him. No one ever said that height was an impediment to getting pussy. There will always be enough women that will look past a man's height and still want to fuck or date him. But there are always people who have certain standards they won't budge from. There are also those that have a PREFERENCE, but it isn't etched in stone.

I've also read articles that state that taller men may have an edge at the job, just like those that are considered attractive. In certain situations, people respond more positively to certain physical characteristics (even infants that are shown pictures of attractive and less attractive people respond positively to attractive faces). That isn't to say the vertically challenged or facially busted CAN'T or NEVER advance, but these are things that depending on who makes the decisions at any given time can work against you. I'm in agreement that you shouldn't dwell on what you can't change

Quote: (10-28-2011 02:46 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Quote: (10-27-2011 11:24 PM)El Rey Wrote:  

Damn, some cats are getting down on themselves and self-loathing in this thread. Time to add some positivity to this discussion.

Lionel Messi, the greatest soccer player in the world, is 5'7.
Tom Cruise, leading man of his generation and worldwide sex symbol for many years, is 5'7.
Andres Iniesta, the Spanish footballer who scored the goal to win the World Cup, is 5'7.
Usher, a top global sex symbol, is 5'8.
Bono is like 5'5 or so.

Before everyone starts with "they have FAME/WEALTH/etc.", there was a time when these dudes weren't world famous or well known in their profession. There was a time when they were working their way up and struggling like everyone else. Tom Cruise was just a young, unknown actor showing up to countless auditions. Andres Iniesta was a 5'7 cat who was playing his way up against bigger dudes on the pitch. Bono was a 5'5 rocker playing in shitty bars in Ireland and the UK. Through dogged determination and not giving a fuck about something called height they worked their way up and became who they became. So what I say is take that dogged determination and indifference to height that they had and use it. Become great in your own way.

And as many others have said, CONFIDENCE is huge.

These are also disciplines/sports where height/size has NEVER mattered. Hell, Verne Troyer (Mini Me) is a fixture at the Playboy Mansion, and I'm sure he fucks. Once they got famous, it's hard to deny that it provides unlimited ass. Dudes like David Spade, who's also a munchkin, gets all the ass he can handle. Sylvester Stallone is also short, and he was married to Bridgitte Neilsen, who towered over him. No one ever said that height was an impediment to getting pussy. There will always be enough women that will look past a man's height and still want to fuck or date him. But there are always people who have certain standards they won't budge from. There are also those that have a PREFERENCE, but it isn't etched in stone.

I've also read articles that state that taller men may have an edge at the job, just like those that are considered attractive. In certain situations, people respond more positively to certain physical characteristics (even infants that are shown pictures of attractive and less attractive people respond positively to attractive faces). That isn't to say the vertically challenged or facially busted CAN'T or NEVER advance, but these are things that depending on who makes the decisions at any given time can work against you. I'm in agreement that you shouldn't dwell on what you can't change

Let's not forget Prince! Lol.

Yes lets not forget..

Quote: (07-02-2011 10:05 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

almost every personals ad from women mentions height. It certainly appears to be a negative if you're short. But like everything else, it seems it can be overcome by determination/skill.

In one study, photos of a very short man ( he looked under 5 ft) were uniformly rejected in a "which guy would you date/marry" questions.

Eventually the researchers asked "What WOULD make you pick the short guy over the tall one?"

"Maybe if he was a murderer" the girls said about the tall guy.

It took THAT level of disqualification to choose the very short guy.

There's an optimal height too, I think about 6'3"-- might be now-- above a certain size you start to look too unusual.

Of course all this is theoretical-- in each person's case they can overcome a lot.

I speculate the in the evolutionary sense "good" height reflects a lifetime of good nutrition ( no periods of famine) which indicates persistent high status in family--a big selector for women.

Since we grow throughout childhood, I'm guessing ( not a biologist) that any period of severe malnutrition would cause your end height to be less.

Men's size has been ingrained in female heads for thousands of years. A big man was perceived as strong, a man who can provide food and protect her and her children from predators and other men. I think this is still present in modern day women.
I'm 6'1 and like my women between 5'2 - 5'7, but I'm not too picky, I'll take pretty much any height.

How much is 1.85 meters? 6,2'? I'm 17, and i dont wanna grow more because i have a fear of becoming a tall freak

Meh, I don't doubt that it's a preference.

The whole point of game, IMO, is that womens' preferences can be overridden. There exists a toolkit that enables guys who employ it correctly to dupe women into selecting something that they wouldn't otherwise select independently. Game is about tricking women by exploiting their weaknesses, it's beating a system. You either buy into this working or not, and if not, I'm not sure what you'd be doing here.

It doesn't matter what guys women select when they're picking out of a lineup on a television show in a well lit studio when stone-cold sober. That is not a situation that women are presented with in real life.

Anyway, I'm like 5'10", so I'm not tall, but I'm not really short either. I'm taller than most girls, and I do recognize that girls that are taller than me are, on the balance, tougher targets than girls who are shorter than me. It's just a preference though, it can be overridden at least in part, depending on the intensity of the preference and one's ability to deploy tools to counteract or negate it.

All just my bullshit unqualified opinion, of course.

Quote: (10-27-2011 04:26 AM)big poppa Wrote:  

I'm 5"9, the only 'disadvantage' would be that I don't open girls taller than me..

You should. This demonstrates the high value (in form of the ability to withstand social pressure, which shows you're confident and secure). Mind you, I'm 5'4 and I do it.

Quote: (10-27-2011 07:19 PM)Batata Wrote:  

Height is generally what makes women decide if a man is physically attractive or not.

But this only lasts until you open your mouth.
You can be 6'5 with ripped abs, but if you approach her with how beautiful she is and how happy you'd be to carry her in your arms till the rest of your life, being tall won't help you at all.

I'm sick of seeing fucking height threads. Listen up, a good friend of mine is around 5 ft 6-7. He's a light North Indian born and raised in Australia. Very skinny too, barely any muscle on him. He also has a HUGE nose.

And yet, he is a fucking ALPHA.

He has a dominant personality. He's had flings with numerous cute white, asian and indian girls and many of them we're taller than him. He only commites to Desi girls. His current girlfriend is Pakistani and his ex was Indian. They rank among the most beautiful Desi girls I have ever seen. Both taller than him.

If a short, skinny, not particularly good looking Indian guy can be a player, anybody can. It's ALL about game.

Height, ethnicity and looks have no great effect on your ability unless your genuinely horrendously ugly.
That said, every guy getting into game should start hitting the gym hard to give themselves every possible advantage.

5'5' or less is not so bad. You wont be dating my sisters, or most of her friends but if you have a Napoleon Bonaparte complex/ way about yourself, you should be able to pull. Kinda like a Pomeranian,most of them do have a cocky attitude anyway so they appear bigger than life itself. On the other hand, I have seen real short men (5'5' and under) over compensate, and ruin relationships because of it.

I'm 5'4" Any tips for not overcompensating and what to look out for?