[Basil Ransom]

I was texting with a fellow forum member, and we both had remarked on the increasing frequency of hot girls, 8s and 9s, dating hideous, ugly lesbians, girls that are not even 5s. And they're not dating in hiding either, they're right out in the open, including at clubs. The babes aren't strangers to dick either - they've got the good dick before, and still like it. Yet they're fucking around in a relationship with the aesthetic equivalent of Danny DeVito, with none of the good cheer.

What the fuck is going on? If you have any good examples/pictures, post them.

My theory was that gay propaganda and general media disdain for men is coalescing to make men appear passe. I always see women being super nice to other women they don't know, offering fake compliments and saccharine smiles. Good lucking getting any of that as a man, unless the chick wants to fuck you. My interlocutor agreed, and also attributed it to men being weak, and lacking leadership, and these chicks growing up with single moms.

Even so, it's all very baffling. It may still be a rare thing, but I get the sense this shit didn't happen at all until recently, eg the last decade.

[Walter White]

One theory I have is that part of it may be that non-butch women are, generally speaking, not that strong-willed. While slump-shouldered, bull-dyke lesbo's are among the most hard-nosed, strong-willed people on the planet! They have more testosterone than a lot of males, judging from their looks.

I have a friend who has a stunning wife. Sometimes, for fun, they go into this lesbian bar near them. The women are MERCILOUS about trying to steal the girl. They tell her that her husband doesn't love her, is just using her, make up stories about how he grabbed one of their asses or made out with one of them, etc - anything to disrupt their marriage and turn the beautiful girl over to their side. And that, of course, is why lesbos HATE men so much: 97% of the hotties they want to fuck would rather be with men.

So if lesbos put so much manly effort into badgering a weaker-willed person into bed, eventually they are going to succeed. Heck, it works for most of us!

I truly believe that these ugly, Rosie O'Donnell bull-dykes are among the most horrific creatures on earth. I worked with one once who was absolutely MISERABLE - and went out of her way to make everyone else's life miserable. Not to sound all psycho but there are times I regret not physically hurting her. She certainly had it coming.

[soup]

I know some of them, and they use some game tactics and even do some research on PUA stuff. I've even had some ask me how I do what I do.. like how to pickup girls in bars etc.

A lot of them are really aloof.. more so than most bluepill guys. Hot lesbians eat that shit up.

[runsonmagic]

Fight back!
http://www.returnofkings.com/22816/how-t...raight-man

Now, in all seriousness - lesbians allow women to experience masculine polarity without gender baggage. If men are bad, patriachal, oppressive, blah blah blah, and most men have had the fire kicked out of them by American culture, butch lesbians bypass all that AND anti-slut defenses, allowing girls to get dominated guilt free.

It's fucked up that this is what we've come to.

[Bacchus]

Rosie O'Donnell is more masculine than many 'men.'

As Dave Chappelle famously put it, "She wears underwear with dickholes in 'em."

Countless other nasty bulldykes have this same manner, so the hot chicks come for the unapologetically masculine attitude.

Add to that it's now cool to be gay. Announcing your homosexuality gets likes and applause. Just being in a relationship with a man with his stuff together doesn't get that kind of response.

[Basil Ransom]

Walter White, that's funny, and now that I recall, extremely similar to a friend's (who's here on the forum) experience trawling gay bars for an extra girl for a threesome. The lesbians would come on to his girl, and get pissed when they found out he was in the picture, and ardently refuse to do anything with her if he was part of the package.

(03-01-2014 07:09 PM)runsonmagic Wrote:  

Now, in all seriousness - lesbians allow women to experience masculine polarity without gender baggage. If men are bad, patriachal, oppressive, blah blah blah, and most men have had the fire kicked out of them by American culture, butch lesbians bypass all that AND anti-slut defenses, allowing girls to get dominated guilt free.

It's fucked up that this is what we've come to.

Hot girls don't give a fuck about whether something is 'good' or 'bad,' only low status or high status. Girls who use terms like patriarchal are rarely hot - maybe the troll uses that terminology, but not the babe.

I actually knew this girl through work who got married to a woman and also went through a lot of other heavy shit in the same period. She's since cleaned up her act and dates a guy. She's in another state, and I never got deep into the details. She's not an 8, but she seemed like a sweet cute girl.

I'd bet that the incidence of heavy drugs, alcohol, drama, mental disturbance and broken homes is much higher among these babes who date lesbians, as well as the lesbians themselves.

[soup]

I've done the reverse and infiltrated the dyke scene and macked on and successfully bagged lesbians- a model and even some butch ones. Because I'm "hipster" and not "douche" and have connections in that community, they didn't see me as a threat.

One of the begged me not to tell anyone in her community because she makes a livelihood working on their events. Quite the squirter she was.

[Basil Ransom]

Haha. I think there was a Curb Your Enthusiasm episode where Larry starts dating an ex lesbian and all the lesbians ostracize him and pressure him until he relents and gets the girl to dump him and resume being a lesbian. Sounds very realistic after reading the posts here.

[assman]

My theory is that some of these hot chicks have been raped by men and turn to dykes who can't hurt them in the same way.

I think part of the phenomenon is attributable to Walter White's point - the butches are RELENTLESS. Many a hetero girl will tell you about how some lesbian came onto her in a restaurant/bar bathroom.

But ultimately something has to be broken inside these formerly straight women to succumb to the appeal of a dyke, who even at the peak of her faux-masculinity is still a far cry from a man, and I suspect that something is tied to sexual abuse at the hands of a male.

Note, some of this sexual abuse may not be conventional sexual abuse - it might be getting pumped and dumped many times by men. Volitional sexual abuse, if you will. The typical female psyche is not built to cope with a rapidly spinning cock carousel.

[Basil Ransom]

I've heard that girls in lesbian relationships can be a lot needier. And I feel like a lot of girls are craving an emotional connection, yet at the same time utterly reject men who show serious interest. I've had girls vaguely insinuate I was needy - or suspected they thought as much - because I wanted to bang them again the next week. All that spur of the moment cock in her past has shut down her ability to connect, and has her repulsed by any efforts at it. But when a girl shows emotional interest, the beta alarm doesn't go off. In her mind, it's okay that a GIRL is needy. A guy has no such room for fault of that kind.

So maybe it's that she's so dysfunctional that she only lets women penetrate her emotional barriers. Or just that she develops these far more readily than with men, even if her sexual contact with men is generally far greater.

[Walter White]

(03-01-2014 09:11 PM)Basil Ransom Wrote:  

All that spur of the moment cock in her past has shut down her ability to connect, and has her repulsed by any efforts at it.

Agree with this point, and Assman's above - we have spawned a generation of broken women. Their psyche's aren't built to cope what they have been exposed to. They have CCPTSD - Cock Carousel PTSD!

I know this woman in my social circle. 34 y.o. Comes from the nicest, Midwestern family. Dresses very conservatively. Very pretty, but a little soft around the midsection. The type of girl that, even 20 years ago, would've married and had 3 kids. But she's COMPLETELY unable to connect emotionally with men! She travels constantly for her job, has lived in 4-5 major cities (NYC, LA, Boston, etc). And that guy-like lifestyle, plus all those years of SATC being rammed down her throat, and she's broken emotionally. Rarely has "dates" and never a BF. She told me once "I just like to hookup". I turned her down; her aloof attitude turned me off. Now, her parents think she is the sweetest thing and wonder why she "can't meet a good guy". But the fact is, she is surrounded by them! She has just ridden the carousel too many times, some inexplicable chemical or emotional switch in her brain has been shut off. Despite her classic good looks and bone structure, she literally has become the antithesis of the feminine attractive ideal. She is this "neither fish nor fowl" creature that dwells in the seam between femininity and asexuality. Thing is, she isn't THAT successful at her career - rents a shitty apt, etc. So its not like she can say she traded in a family for $$$$. She will end alone, a cat lady. My god, what this society has done to these girls!

[Lucario]

I think another factor is that men are held to a far greater standard than women, looks and personality wise, so hetero women who go for bull dykes do not see bull dykes in the same high expectation lens as they see lesbians in.

[2Wycked]

The system doesn't want women to be happy with men: that's less revenues for Big Pharma (anti-depressants, etc.) and big corporations. Plus, less tax revenue from women as they tend to chose -- when possible financially -- to either quit their jobs or demote to part-time status.

As far as lesbianism, it seems to be a mix of a few things. First, is attention whoring. Women get all sorts of positive attention for being "gay" and all that. Like I said in this thread about youthful lesbianism, it is all about garnering attention for being both "challenging social norms" but in ways that are safe and secure.

Further, if the theory of social narcissism holds, women seeks approximations of what they sexually desire. They may seek men, tatted up, muscled and all that, but are not masculine men, deep down. They pursue men that they implicitly know will ultimately fail them.

As for applying that to lesbianism, they seek out women who approximate masculinity - as no woman could ever truly embody masculinity. However, notice that men have to be a part of the equation, otherwise the faux-relationship doesn't work. I recall an opinion piece from Sweden in which feminine women were selecting for butch dykes after divorce. The context was clearly older women seeking masculinity but couldn't find it from men who pursued them. So they went gay. Male failings to meet their needs or whatever was the clear undercurrent.

For younger women, the implications are there. Since they know many men can't even fake being masculine, they opt for women who are better actresses about faking masculinity. They get to be edgy (in a safe way), play the shameless attention whore at her side and engage in a relationship that approximates a heterosexual relationship as best it can.

[Kieran]

I hate these fuckers.

Loads of them in BKK too. I remember once on Halloween, the table next to me was made up of four of these couples, and the four girls were all fine as fuck.

A lot of straight Thai girls have had relationships with Toms in the past too. Nearly all instances I've known of it happened after the girl had come out of a relationship with a player, and the Tom was there to manipulate her into it while she was vulnerable. I agree with Soup too, they use game tactics and amp up the dominance.

One point is that if birds can be attracted to these vile creatures, then nobody can use there looks as an excuse.

[porscheguy]

(03-02-2014 05:08 AM)2Wycked Wrote:  

The system doesn't want women to be happy with men: that's less revenues for Big Pharma (anti-depressants, etc.) and big corporations. Plus, less tax revenue from women as they tend to chose -- when possible financially -- to either quit their jobs or demote to part-time status.

As far as lesbianism, it seems to be a mix of a few things. First, is attention whoring. Women get all sorts of positive attention for being "gay" and all that. Like I said in this thread about youthful lesbianism, it is all about garnering attention for being both "challenging social norms" but in ways that are safe and secure.

Further, if the theory of social narcissism holds, women seeks approximations of what they sexually desire. They may seek men, tatted up, muscled and all that, but are not masculine men, deep down. They pursue men that they implicitly know will ultimately fail them.

As for applying that to lesbianism, they seek out women who approximate masculinity - as no woman could ever truly embody masculinity. However, notice that men have to be a part of the equation, otherwise the faux-relationship doesn't work. I recall an opinion piece from Sweden in which feminine women were selecting for butch dykes after divorce. The context was clearly older women seeking masculinity but couldn't find it from men who pursued them. So they went gay. Male failings to meet their needs or whatever was the clear undercurrent.

For younger women, the implications are there. Since they know many men can't even fake being masculine, they opt for women who are better actresses about faking masculinity. They get to be edgy (in a safe way), play the shameless attention whore at her side and engage in a relationship that approximates a heterosexual relationship as best it can.

I just read your post from last summer, and wish to make a correction. The proper term for "youthful lesbians" is really "daddy's money lesbians." They're girls who go dyke while in college, and then suddenly turn straight when daddy says "it's time to grow up."

[azulsombra]

(03-02-2014 04:41 AM)Lucario Wrote:  

I think another factor is that men are held to a far greater standard than women, looks and personality wise, so hetero women who go for bull dykes do not see bull dykes in the same high expectation lens as they see lesbians in.

Yeah its kinda crazy that these same feminine bi girls will feel they deserve a man who is 6 foot+ with six pack abs. But will settle for a 5"4 ultra butch dyke with a soggy midsection.

[Maximun]

I used to work with a lot of lesbians, there was a couple where the dyke was the stereotypical misogynist, macho man, the only thing lacking was she still hasn't chop her hair, the girl she was dating was the female, she liked my male friend and they start flirting around at work, is a big place with over 300 workers, eventuality the dyke found out after others lesbians saw them talking, when I asked to my friend why the girl does not end up the relationship he told me because the dyke has money power she does not have anywhere else to go live with and be supported economically, because my friend was still living with his mom and did not have a car like the dyke does, the female basically told him that the only reason she is with the dyke is because she manipulated the money and can't move out, there I realise why feminism which was created by lesbians and run mostly by lesbians campaign for female economic empower and male disadvantage like homeless, because the less men with economic power the more women who are force to gravitated toward lesbianism, notice how there are never 2 poors lesbians together.

[Swooper]

You see this kind of nasty shit in China too. These pairings never amount to anything and the non-butch girl is almost always actually heterosexual but just going through a "phase". It's disturbing to say the least.

[funkyzeit]

Dykes can sniff out emotionally damaged hotties (broken homes, lack of strong men in their life, various traumas like rape, lost finger, drug addiction etc.). They can be pretty good wing(wo)men actually if you're into easy girls.

[Maximun]

(03-03-2014 04:03 AM)funkyzeit Wrote:  

Dykes can sniff out emotionally damaged hotties (broken homes, lack of strong men in their life, various traumas like rape, lost finger, drug addiction etc.). They can be pretty good wing(wo)men actually if you're into easy girls.

This is how domestic violence shelters work, their target is hot heterosexual female angry at men.

[Beyond Borders]

You see a lot of the butches in Thailand with hot girlfriends - they just call them "tomboys." I think a lot of the Thai girls experiment with going lez at some point in their life.

I used to love partying with the Thai tomboys though. They are pretty chill. Most have an ice cold demeanor. More in control than the thai men when it comes to not getting sloppy drunk, for whatever reason, but without the emotions of the women. They keep their bitches in check too.

It's pretty funny to watch.

I do have a hard time not flirting with their girls though. Or maybe it's the other way around. One time a tom's ole lady kept flirting with me and got a knuckle rap on the forehead by her old man (girlfriend). Then she, the feminine one, went all ballistic and kept pouring her glass full of whiskey and downing one after the other in rapid succession, with tears streaming down her face, in an effort to get as wasted as possible. It was painful to watch.

The butch grabbed her by the arm and drug her out of the place to give her a talking too.

Abort mission, BB. Next table.

[Lucario]

(03-02-2014 04:15 PM)azulsombra Wrote:  

(03-02-2014 04:41 AM)Lucario Wrote:  

I think another factor is that men are held to a far greater standard than women, looks and personality wise, so hetero women who go for bull dykes do not see bull dykes in the same high expectation lens as they see lesbians in.

Yeah its kinda crazy that these same feminine bi girls will feel they deserve a man who is 6 foot+ with six pack abs. But will settle for a 5"4 ultra butch dyke with a soggy midsection.

Yeah in my previous workplace, some 5'3 bulldyke, ugly and chubby as fuck, dating a model that passes my boner test with flying colours.

Gross shit. And when she tries to be all alpha I laugh so hard at her and said "aren't you just adorable". She got really pissed and hurled off insults and her GF had to pull me aside.

Its really weird because you would think a hottie would pick out a more secure, less ugly partner partner.

[iop890]

A Korean acquaintance of mine here in Bkk had his girl leave him for a Tom a couple weeks ago, gotta be embarrassing.

I'd seen the girl a few times when he brought her out. She had slut eyes, but was fairly attractive.

[Beyond Borders]

^ I've tried to bang them a couple times. Almost had a threesome with one when I was drunk. they get pretty embarrassed. LOL

Yeah, they try to look like dudes. But there are a few out there you can tell would be cute with different clothes and long hair. and I can't forget what's between their legs after a few drinks. Especially the ones barely holding it together on playing the part.

chicken is chicken.

[Kieran]

Most Toms are vile I hate them. I've seen them overstep the mark with people's girlfriends a few times too.

Interestingly, a Thai friend of mine told me that the Dees don't return the favour sexually in a lot of cases. It's all the Tom.