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Venezuela is collapsing - Belgrano - 02-25-2019

Quote:[url=https://twitter.com/UnivisionNews/status/1100193338634964993][/url]

I changed my mind, Viva Maduro!

First of his name, long may he reign!

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Venezuela is collapsing - Latinopan - 02-25-2019

Maduro's second hand has sent his kids to China.

Venezuelan President Maduro's right-hand man evacuates his two youngest children to China under fake names as Mike Pence turns the screws with public show of support for rival Guaido

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...rname.html

The daughter

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Venezuela is collapsing - Leonard D Neubache - 02-25-2019

Quote: (02-25-2019 05:12 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  

Quote: (02-25-2019 05:08 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote:[url=https://twitter.com/BrazilBrian/status/1100094761770336256][/url]

Some good news!

So, they don't have the balls?

I'm going to ask you this in the nicest way I can manage.

What in the holy hell is your fucking malfunction?

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Venezuela is collapsing - Wreckingball - 02-26-2019

Quote: (02-25-2019 05:12 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  

Quote: (02-25-2019 05:08 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote:[url=https://twitter.com/BrazilBrian/status/1100094761770336256][/url]

Some good news!

So, they don't have the balls?

Invasion of Venezuela is falling into a trap.
First, is an uneeded war.
Second, it falls right through the narrative of American Imperialist Forces trying to destroy the Bolivar revolution (or whatever stupid narrative exists).

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Venezuela is collapsing - Sp5 - 02-26-2019

I read a column in the Spanish newspaper El Pais today. The gist of it was that the Chavistas are prepared to go underground and fight if the US invades. There's no sign the Venezuelan military is going to flip.

The former Spanish PM Zapatero, who has been mediating in Venezuela, said that the Chavistas will fight and take it to the region, linking up with the ELN in Colombia.

One guy working for Maduro talked about how they had bought a bunch of Dragunov sniper rifles and it would be "every bullet, a slaughtered enemy" and they would hold out until the "flow of coffins created resistance in the USA" to the intervention. You won't see this in the US mainstream media, as bad as the old Pravda. It's not as if methods for fighting the USA haven't been tested by the Iraqi Baathists and Taliban, that lessons can't be used.

Regime change is now stymied. While the declaration of the neighboring countries like Brazil and Colombia that they aren't onboard with a military intervention might be a deception, it also may be a recognition of the possibility of a bloody conflict.

This is a big test for Trump. Will he let the neocons like Bolton, Rubio, and Pence have their way, or will he follow his best instincts and do what he was elected to do - put America First, stop the regime change wars

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Venezuela is collapsing - Luvianka - 02-26-2019

Quote: (02-25-2019 10:36 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Quote: (02-25-2019 05:12 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  

Quote: (02-25-2019 05:08 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Quote:[url=https://twitter.com/BrazilBrian/status/1100094761770336256][/url]

Some good news!

So, they don't have the balls?

I'm going to ask you this in the nicest way I can manage.

What in the holy hell is your fucking malfunction?

Thanks for your nicest words, man.
Man, I guess you should ask Mr MAGA and his minions about their malfunctions. The US made the big move for the big prize of Venezuelan oil, but it seems they are backing off.

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Venezuela is collapsing - Leonard D Neubache - 02-26-2019

Quote: (02-26-2019 11:13 AM)Luvianka Wrote:  

Quote: (02-25-2019 10:36 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Quote: (02-25-2019 05:12 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  

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So, they don't have the balls?

I'm going to ask you this in the nicest way I can manage.

What in the holy hell is your fucking malfunction?

Thanks for your nicest words, man.
Man, I guess you should ask Mr MAGA and his minions about their malfunctions. The US made the big move for the big prize of Venezuelan oil, but it seems they are backing off.

You come in here to cry bloody murder about the US almost certainly stomping a smaller nation into dust and when they back off you accuse them of having no balls.

Nonsense like that will make Americans support an attack just to say "well if you think we don't have the stones then let us correct you" and frankly I wouldn't blame them.

If you want to appeal to sense of moral indignation then you don't go calling people pussies when they concede not to be an aggressor, especially if it's mindnumbingly clear that they could have wrecked you over the course of a lazy week. I didn't agree with everything you used to post but I assumed you were participating in good faith and didn't write you off just because you stood in opposition to the crowd.

But apparently you're just a commie shill who cries like a girl for mercy when he's losing and then thumps his chest like a man when he's winning.

You don't deserve to be treated on moral grounds.

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Venezuela is collapsing - SamuelBRoberts - 02-26-2019

Quote: (02-26-2019 08:22 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

I read a column in the Spanish newspaper El Pais today. The gist of it was that the Chavistas are prepared to go underground and fight if the US invades. There's no sign the Venezuelan military is going to flip.

The former Spanish PM Zapatero, who has been mediating in Venezuela, said that the Chavistas will fight and take it to the region, linking up with the ELN in Colombia.

One guy working for Maduro talked about how they had bought a bunch of Dragunov sniper rifles and it would be "every bullet, a slaughtered enemy" and they would hold out until the "flow of coffins created resistance in the USA" to the intervention. You won't see this in the US mainstream media, as bad as the old Pravda. It's not as if methods for fighting the USA haven't been tested by the Iraqi Baathists and Taliban, that lessons can't be used.

Unpossible! I was told that every single member of the Venezuelan military was either going to immediately defect, or line up in a nice row so that we could shoot them with a helicopter gunship! That's why this is going to be "easy" and "short!"
They can't try to go underground! It's not allowed!

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Venezuela is collapsing - Foolsgo1d - 02-26-2019

Remember the first casualty being truth?

https://orinocotribune.com/burning-aid-a...ela-bridge

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Burning Aid: An Interventionist Deception on Colombia-Venezuela Bridge?

Sen. Marco Rubio and coup leaders claim the Venezuelan National Guard burned US aid trucks on the bridge in Colombia. But all available evidence points in the opposite direction.

The Trump administration’s coup against Venezuela culminated on February 23 with US-backed opposition attempting to ram several trucks loaded with boxes of USAID “humanitarian aid” across the previously unused Francisco de Paula Santander bridge connecting Colombia to Venezuela.

The trucks failed to reach the other side — but that was never really the point of the stunt. As Father Sergio Munoz, a right-wing Venezuelan activist posted on the Colombian side of the border, explained to journalist Dan Cohen, the humanitarian “aid” was a purely symbolic provocation aimed at discrediting Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro in international eyes and generating waves of destabilizing violence.

By the end of the day, the trucks lined up on the Francisca de Paula Santander bridge were flanked by gangs of guarimberos.

These were the nihilistic masked youth who form the shock troops of the right-wing opposition, and who placed Caracas under siege with violent barricade protests, known as guarimbas, at several points between 2014 and 2017. A mob of guarimberos burned to death Orlando Figuera, a 22-year old black Venezuelan accused of supporting Maduro, on an eastern Caracas street in broad daylight, back in June 2017.

On the Santander bridge this February 23, the guarimberos rained down a hail of rocks and molotov cocktails on Venezuelan national guardsmen holding the line against the USAID trucks. Suddenly, the trucks caught fire and the masked youth began unloading boxes of aid before they burned. Within minutes, pro-opposition media reported that the Venezuelan national guard forces were responsible for the fires.

The article has more in the link.

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Venezuela is collapsing - budoslavic - 02-26-2019

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Venezuela is collapsing - worldwidetraveler - 02-26-2019

Quote: (02-26-2019 11:31 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

You don't deserve to be treated on moral grounds.

He's no better than the liberals who developed this narrative of MAGA white nationalist going around and bleaching innocent black gay men. It fits their narrative so they wish it to be true. When it isn't true, the cognitive dissonance sets in and they sound crazy.

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Venezuela is collapsing - SamuelBRoberts - 02-27-2019

Quote: (02-26-2019 05:56 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Remember the first casualty being truth?

With any luck, the first casualty of war will be Jorge Ramos. Is he still locked up or did they let him go?

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Venezuela is collapsing - Mekorig - 02-27-2019

Ramos is already in Miami after beign deported. Maduro can be a 2 pesos dictator, but he is not fool enough to dissapear a well know foreign journalist.

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Venezuela is collapsing - 911 - 02-27-2019

Maduro is nowhere near a proper dictator, Assad or Gaddafi, who fit that bill (although both are clearly better for their country than the globalist aternative) would have had all opposition leaders purged, pronto. He's not even a Putin-grade strongman, he's got more than enough basis for charging Guaido with treason and arresting him.

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Venezuela is collapsing - Luvianka - 02-27-2019

I told you so from the very beginning -It's about oil. In order ta save the petro-dollar and to face its two geopolitical rivals, China & Russia, the US will wage war against Venezuela to capture the largest oil reserves in the World.
US amasses special ops in Puerto Rico, army in Colombia to oust Maduro according to the Russian Security Council.
By deploying troops and special ops forces to Puerto Rico and Colombia, Washington is getting ready to intervene in Venezuela and topple its leader, the secretary of Russia’s Security Council said.
The US is “preparing for a military invasion” in Venezuela, Nikolai Patrushev told Russian media on Tuesday.
The relocation of American special forces’ units to Puerto Rico, the deployment of the US Army units to Colombia and other facts evidently show that Pentagon is enhancing its military in the region in order to use it in ousting… President [Nicolas] Maduro.
“The people of Venezuela understand this clearly,” Patrushev said, adding that this notion increases popular support for Maduro and drives the government to reject the aid offered by “an aggressor state.”
Shame on you, America! Shame on you!

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Venezuela is collapsing - Nater - 02-28-2019

I think things will get more interesting next year . After the US presidential election. The US will get more aggressive no matter who the president is.

It's written in the script, Venezuela is the next Libya.

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Venezuela is collapsing - Latinopan - 02-28-2019

Quote: (02-27-2019 06:04 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  

I told you so from the very beginning -It's about oil. In order ta save the petro-dollar and to face its two geopolitical rivals, China & Russia, the US will wage war against Venezuela to capture the largest oil reserves in the World.
US amasses special ops in Puerto Rico, army in Colombia to oust Maduro according to the Russian Security Council.
By deploying troops and special ops forces to Puerto Rico and Colombia, Washington is getting ready to intervene in Venezuela and topple its leader, the secretary of Russia’s Security Council said.
The US is “preparing for a military invasion” in Venezuela, Nikolai Patrushev told Russian media on Tuesday.
The relocation of American special forces’ units to Puerto Rico, the deployment of the US Army units to Colombia and other facts evidently show that Pentagon is enhancing its military in the region in order to use it in ousting… President [Nicolas] Maduro.
“The people of Venezuela understand this clearly,” Patrushev said, adding that this notion increases popular support for Maduro and drives the government to reject the aid offered by “an aggressor state.”
Shame on you, America! Shame on you!

The oil could be already considered USA's, there is not way Russia or China get their hands in Venezuela oil. Is geographically impossible for China or Russia to try anything in Latin America.

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Venezuela is collapsing - nomadbrah - 02-28-2019

I don't get how people going on and on about optics, suddenly think bombing Venezuela is a good idea.

I mean, Venezuelans might be mostly brown, in fact there's a clear racial divide here (chavistas are brown, opposition whiteish).

So Trump is going to go bombing on a bunch of "christian natural conservative" browns?

If you spray them with water at the border, then you're awful and Ivanka cries and Trump caves, but if you hose them with hot lead from a gunship, then it's freedom baby?

Man, it must be difficult to be a brainlet cuckservative.

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Venezuela is collapsing - Leonard D Neubache - 03-01-2019

It actually much easier. My team good. Their team bad. My team yay. Their team boo.

Until the consequences of ignorance come home to roost living life that way is much more easy and pleasant. It's one of the injustices of the modern era that most boomers will never live to suffer the consequences of that choice to be ignorant.

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Venezuela is collapsing - infowarrior1 - 03-01-2019

Quote: (02-27-2019 11:57 AM)911 Wrote:  

Maduro is nowhere near a proper dictator, Assad or Gaddafi, who fit that bill (although both are clearly better for their country than the globalist aternative) would have had all opposition leaders purged, pronto. He's not even a Putin-grade strongman, he's got more than enough basis for charging Guaido with treason and arresting him.

Why can't Maduro do a slow transition to a China like Economy? Is there anything he can do to resolve this crisis?

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Venezuela is collapsing - lonewolf1992 - 03-01-2019

I respect those who are against the military intervention as you know, 'venezuela is none of our bussiness' and that is completely reasonable. Now I think is maybe is due to language barrier that some folks in here even have some sympathy for Maduro. The guy is literally one the most stupid, silly and naive 'politicians' we have seen in our lives, from the left and right we call him 'maburro' that stands for donkey. Even Chavez was a clever socialist piece of shit but the venezuelans know he was no pussy. Maduro is complete idiot you just have to see all the stupid things he say in his speeches. Man I fucking hate that pig. Cheers to everyone.

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Venezuela is collapsing - BBinger - 03-01-2019

Quote: (02-27-2019 11:57 AM)911 Wrote:  

Maduro is nowhere near a proper dictator, Assad or Gaddafi, who fit that bill (although both are clearly better for their country than the globalist aternative) would have had all opposition leaders purged, pronto. He's not even a Putin-grade strongman, he's got more than enough basis for charging Guaido with treason and arresting him.

I mentioned upthread, but the closest historical parallel in my reading is Spain's Franco. Both Maduro and Franco got stuck in their positions due to a lack of other men stepping up. Maduro is stuck with the job running Venezuela for a lack of any other strong men who can step up to the job.

Maduro is clearly not very good at the job of running a country by most measures, but driving a state is harder than driving a bus.

Quote: (02-28-2019 07:26 PM)Latinopan Wrote:  

Quote: (02-27-2019 06:04 PM)Luvianka Wrote:  

I told you so from the very beginning -It's about oil. In order ta save the petro-dollar and to face its two geopolitical rivals, China & Russia, the US will wage war against Venezuela to capture the largest oil reserves in the World.
US amasses special ops in Puerto Rico, army in Colombia to oust Maduro according to the Russian Security Council.
By deploying troops and special ops forces to Puerto Rico and Colombia, Washington is getting ready to intervene in Venezuela and topple its leader, the secretary of Russia’s Security Council said.
The US is “preparing for a military invasion” in Venezuela, Nikolai Patrushev told Russian media on Tuesday.
The relocation of American special forces’ units to Puerto Rico, the deployment of the US Army units to Colombia and other facts evidently show that Pentagon is enhancing its military in the region in order to use it in ousting… President [Nicolas] Maduro.
“The people of Venezuela understand this clearly,” Patrushev said, adding that this notion increases popular support for Maduro and drives the government to reject the aid offered by “an aggressor state.”
Shame on you, America! Shame on you!

The oil could be already considered USA's, there is not way Russia or China get their hands in Venezuela oil. Is geographically impossible for China or Russia to try anything in Latin America.

There's this specialized type of boat optimized for nothing other than moving large amounts of oil between continents.

In related matters... Artisan gold mining is a thing in Venezuela. Small groups of men going into the jungles and mountains with hand tools to produce ~10 grams of gold per man-month. Venezuela isn't just oil rich, it is mineral rich. And tropical beach paradise rich. Venezuelan cuisine is pretty good too.

Quote: (03-01-2019 08:38 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

Quote: (02-27-2019 11:57 AM)911 Wrote:  

Maduro is nowhere near a proper dictator, Assad or Gaddafi, who fit that bill (although both are clearly better for their country than the globalist aternative) would have had all opposition leaders purged, pronto. He's not even a Putin-grade strongman, he's got more than enough basis for charging Guaido with treason and arresting him.

Why can't Maduro do a slow transition to a China like Economy? Is there anything he can do to resolve this crisis?

Well, Maduro can keep drilling the military and winning elections by large margins by pointing at the loud enemies outside the gates. Maybe along the way he gets better at running a state by taking lessons from Putin, Ergodan, and Xi?

Voters in democracies generally don't pick the best. Not the best people, not the best outcomes. Consider Trump is the best person the US could get now even though there was a time New York had even more serious businessmen and managers who make Trump look like a clown. It's too late to vote for them though because they are all dead. Trump's all the US has left which means he can't surround himself with good people. This means Madame Secretary Pompeo and John Bolton beating war drums because the only other people with experience want to paint the world pink for Soros.

This standoff is making the US state department "soft power" apparatus look very impotent on the world stage. I see no reason why a US military intervention in Venezuela would be any less embarrassing than Iraq, Libya, or Syria.

Quote: (03-01-2019 09:08 AM)lonewolf1992 Wrote:  

I respect those who are against the military intervention as you know, 'venezuela is none of our bussiness' and that is completely reasonable. Now I think is maybe is due to language barrier that some folks in here even have some sympathy for Maduro. The guy is literally one the most stupid, silly and naive 'politicians' we have seen in our lives, from the left and right we call him 'maburro' that stands for donkey. Even Chavez was a clever socialist piece of shit but the venezuelans know he was no pussy. Maduro is complete idiot you just have to see all the stupid things he say in his speeches. Man I fucking hate that pig. Cheers to everyone.

Maduro doesn't seem anymore dishonest than Peron, Lula, the Kirchners, Pepe Mujica, or Mother Merkel. Democracy has a structural problem in the inadequacy of the common homo sapien. People suck and they make bad decisions.

A lot of Venezuelan voters like Maduro and they respond enthusiastically to his sales pitch. Cubans overwhelmingly voted for a constitution that keeps the same people in power. Nearly 87% of ballots in favor, ~9% opposed, and 4.5 percent of ballots were blank or spoiled. When's the last time a US election reported the number of blank or spoiled ballots instead of engaging in "hanging chad" wank over "voter intent" after the fact.

Maduro is a problem for people in Venezuela who want a high standard of living, but he is a godsend for people who want to bucket crab their way to equality.

Chavez being clever is not a credit to Chavez. Chavez being clever is how Maduro got stuck leaving behind a comfortable life as the coolest of the bus drivers to try to drive an absolute mess now that the clever's run out. Clever hacks are why contemporary computing is an absolute mess. Venezuela is what happens when someone tries to run a country in the same way.

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Venezuela is collapsing - Luvianka - 03-01-2019

Oh, God! Day after day reality shows up.
Since Mr MAGA wants to rob Venezuelan oil to save the American economy from collapse now Venezuelan Government is moving to... Russia!
Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Venezuelan Vice President Delcy Rodriguez hold a joint press conference in Moscow as part of her official visit.
Venezuelan Vice President Delcy Rodriguez, speaking at a press conference, said that Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro has decided to close PDVSA's office in Lisbon and move it to Moscow.
Nice move, however I'd move it to Shanghai and Hong Kong.

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Venezuela is collapsing - SamuelBRoberts - 03-01-2019

Quote: (03-01-2019 09:08 AM)lonewolf1992 Wrote:  

I respect those who are against the military intervention as you know, 'venezuela is none of our bussiness' and that is completely reasonable. Now I think is maybe is due to language barrier that some folks in here even have some sympathy for Maduro. The guy is literally one the most stupid, silly and naive 'politicians' we have seen in our lives, from the left and right we call him 'maburro' that stands for donkey. Even Chavez was a clever socialist piece of shit but the venezuelans know he was no pussy. Maduro is complete idiot you just have to see all the stupid things he say in his speeches. Man I fucking hate that pig. Cheers to everyone.

If he's willing to throw George Ramos in jail, how bad a guy can he be, really?

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Venezuela is collapsing - Foolsgo1d - 03-01-2019

Quote: (03-01-2019 09:08 AM)lonewolf1992 Wrote:  

I respect those who are against the military intervention as you know, 'venezuela is none of our bussiness' and that is completely reasonable. Now I think is maybe is due to language barrier that some folks in here even have some sympathy for Maduro. The guy is literally one the most stupid, silly and naive 'politicians' we have seen in our lives, from the left and right we call him 'maburro' that stands for donkey. Even Chavez was a clever socialist piece of shit but the venezuelans know he was no pussy. Maduro is complete idiot you just have to see all the stupid things he say in his speeches. Man I fucking hate that pig. Cheers to everyone.

I remember the Minister of Information in Iraq, that guy was a fucking laugh a day everytime he was on.

Maduro is an idiot, like many SA leaders before him but he is not going to destroy your country like the US would and you dont need to go very far to see proof of this.

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