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Hypocrisy at work in the Aftermath of Cruise Ship Disaster
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Hypocrisy at work in the Aftermath of Cruise Ship Disaster

As most of you will have heard, a cruise liner hit a reef and capsized not far from Rome. This is of course a tragedy and it's unfortunate that lives have been lost.

The reason I'm bringing this to your attention however is that I came across this article written by a white knight writing about the need for men to be "reminded of the rules of gallantry". Once again feminists want to have the cake and eat it. Do they really expect that the life of a woman or child is worth more than that of a man? Fuck that!

Here's the article. What's your take on it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/articl...first.html
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Hypocrisy at work in the Aftermath of Cruise Ship Disaster

I think the life of a child is worth more since they have more years ahead of them than an adult. And a dude probably has a better chance than a woman at surviving in the water since they are stronger. Other than that I think its more of something you should do for yourself.... as in you want to save those around you and put them before you because it makes you feel good to be that way and you imagine it would be hard to live with yourself if you let someone die, especially a kid because you were selfish.

Or maybe I've seen too many movies, I honestly don't know how I'd respond but I hope I would be heroic about it.
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Hypocrisy at work in the Aftermath of Cruise Ship Disaster

Quote: (01-17-2012 12:31 PM)Riker Wrote:  

I think the life of a child is worth more since they have more years ahead of them than an adult. And a dude probably has a better chance than a woman at surviving in the water since they are stronger. Other than that I think its more of something you should do for yourself.... as in you want to save those around you and put them before you because it makes you feel good to be that way and you imagine it would be hard to live with yourself if you let someone die, especially a kid because you were selfish.

Or maybe I've seen too many movies, I honestly don't know how I'd respond but I hope I would be heroic about it.

I disagree that a dude has a better chance at surviving in the water. THe fact that we're stronger than women doesn't mean we can survive cold water better. Women have a higher fat ratio so they're more buoyant and have more insulation against the cold.

I agree that you should save the ones around you if possible and it makes sense what you say about children having more years ahead of them. I'd try save people as long as it didn't cost me my own life, which to me is more important than that of any child.
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Hypocrisy at work in the Aftermath of Cruise Ship Disaster

Quote: (01-17-2012 12:44 PM)flashbang Wrote:  

Quote: (01-17-2012 12:31 PM)Riker Wrote:  

I think the life of a child is worth more since they have more years ahead of them than an adult. And a dude probably has a better chance than a woman at surviving in the water since they are stronger. Other than that I think its more of something you should do for yourself.... as in you want to save those around you and put them before you because it makes you feel good to be that way and you imagine it would be hard to live with yourself if you let someone die, especially a kid because you were selfish.

Or maybe I've seen too many movies, I honestly don't know how I'd respond but I hope I would be heroic about it.

I'd try save people as long as it didn't cost me my own life, which to me is more important than that of any child.

What about your little brother?
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Hypocrisy at work in the Aftermath of Cruise Ship Disaster

Quote: (01-17-2012 01:10 PM)Riker Wrote:  

Quote: (01-17-2012 12:44 PM)flashbang Wrote:  

Quote: (01-17-2012 12:31 PM)Riker Wrote:  

I think the life of a child is worth more since they have more years ahead of them than an adult. And a dude probably has a better chance than a woman at surviving in the water since they are stronger. Other than that I think its more of something you should do for yourself.... as in you want to save those around you and put them before you because it makes you feel good to be that way and you imagine it would be hard to live with yourself if you let someone die, especially a kid because you were selfish.

Or maybe I've seen too many movies, I honestly don't know how I'd respond but I hope I would be heroic about it.

I'd try save people as long as it didn't cost me my own life, which to me is more important than that of any child.

What about your little brother?

My life before anyone else's. Self-preservation is the top priority. Of course I'd rather save my brother than a random stranger.

What I feel is of most interest to this forum in general is the fact that the author thought it fit to question the fact that so called "chivalry" would see men sacrificing themselves for the sake of women.
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Hypocrisy at work in the Aftermath of Cruise Ship Disaster

Quote: (01-17-2012 03:35 PM)flashbang Wrote:  

Quote: (01-17-2012 01:10 PM)Riker Wrote:  

Quote: (01-17-2012 12:44 PM)flashbang Wrote:  

Quote: (01-17-2012 12:31 PM)Riker Wrote:  

I think the life of a child is worth more since they have more years ahead of them than an adult. And a dude probably has a better chance than a woman at surviving in the water since they are stronger. Other than that I think its more of something you should do for yourself.... as in you want to save those around you and put them before you because it makes you feel good to be that way and you imagine it would be hard to live with yourself if you let someone die, especially a kid because you were selfish.

Or maybe I've seen too many movies, I honestly don't know how I'd respond but I hope I would be heroic about it.

I'd try save people as long as it didn't cost me my own life, which to me is more important than that of any child.

What about your little brother?

My life before anyone else's. Self-preservation is the top priority. Of course I'd rather save my brother than a random stranger.

What I feel is of most interest to this forum in general is the fact that the author thought it fit to question the fact that so called "chivalry" would see men sacrificing themselves for the sake of women.

Even your son... or daughter? And what if something similar had happened to you and some dude sacrificed himself for you.. do you think you would think the same?
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Hypocrisy at work in the Aftermath of Cruise Ship Disaster

There's something to be said about not being a coward.

Helping those weaker than you, presumably women (unless they're the Russian Olympic Water Polo squad) and children on a sinking ship might be a good thing to do.

Check this out. The Coast Guard Captain is ordering him to go back on board HIS ship and he won't go:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/17...10920.html
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Hypocrisy at work in the Aftermath of Cruise Ship Disaster

Quote: (01-17-2012 05:07 PM)Riker Wrote:  

Quote: (01-17-2012 03:35 PM)flashbang Wrote:  

Quote: (01-17-2012 01:10 PM)Riker Wrote:  

Quote: (01-17-2012 12:44 PM)flashbang Wrote:  

Quote: (01-17-2012 12:31 PM)Riker Wrote:  

I think the life of a child is worth more since they have more years ahead of them than an adult. And a dude probably has a better chance than a woman at surviving in the water since they are stronger. Other than that I think its more of something you should do for yourself.... as in you want to save those around you and put them before you because it makes you feel good to be that way and you imagine it would be hard to live with yourself if you let someone die, especially a kid because you were selfish.

Or maybe I've seen too many movies, I honestly don't know how I'd respond but I hope I would be heroic about it.

I'd try save people as long as it didn't cost me my own life, which to me is more important than that of any child.

What about your little brother?

My life before anyone else's. Self-preservation is the top priority. Of course I'd rather save my brother than a random stranger.

What I feel is of most interest to this forum in general is the fact that the author thought it fit to question the fact that so called "chivalry" would see men sacrificing themselves for the sake of women.

Even your son... or daughter? And what if something similar had happened to you and some dude sacrificed himself for you.. do you think you would think the same?

Good questions. It's hard to say what I or anyone else would do in that situation. When it comes to family members there's more at stake so yes I'd definitely try to rescue them but only if rescue were possible.
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Hypocrisy at work in the Aftermath of Cruise Ship Disaster

Quote: (01-17-2012 06:07 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

There's something to be said about not being a coward.

Helping those weaker than you, presumably women (unless they're the Russian Olympic Water Polo squad) and children on a sinking ship might be a good thing to do.

Check this out. The Coast Guard Captain is ordering him to go back on board HIS ship and he won't go:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/17...10920.html

A very telling and interesting clip. As Captain he's supposed to shoulder his responsibility of his failure and to co-ordinate rescue efforts. As it is the crew escaped and left the passengers to their fates.
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Hypocrisy at work in the Aftermath of Cruise Ship Disaster

Yea the thing is I think a lot of people don't know what they would do. I'm sure there are people who say they would look out for themselves but do the opposite and those who say they would sacrifice themselves and not end up doing that.

I'm sure you do things flashbang that help others with no benefit to yourself other than feeling good about it and feeling like its the right thing to do. This is a pretty extreme example though...
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Hypocrisy at work in the Aftermath of Cruise Ship Disaster

Quote: (01-17-2012 12:31 PM)Riker Wrote:  

I think the life of a child is worth more since they have more years ahead of them than an adult. And a dude probably has a better chance than a woman at surviving in the water since they are stronger. Other than that I think its more of something you should do for yourself.... as in you want to save those around you and put them before you because it makes you feel good to be that way and you imagine it would be hard to live with yourself if you let someone die, especially a kid because you were selfish.

Or maybe I've seen too many movies, I honestly don't know how I'd respond but I hope I would be heroic about it.

That child could also grow up to be a serial killer. I don't value anyone's life over another... but of course I prefer my own over another.

Vice-Captain - #TeamWaitAndSee
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Hypocrisy at work in the Aftermath of Cruise Ship Disaster

Quote: (01-17-2012 08:36 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Quote: (01-17-2012 12:31 PM)Riker Wrote:  

I think the life of a child is worth more since they have more years ahead of them than an adult. And a dude probably has a better chance than a woman at surviving in the water since they are stronger. Other than that I think its more of something you should do for yourself.... as in you want to save those around you and put them before you because it makes you feel good to be that way and you imagine it would be hard to live with yourself if you let someone die, especially a kid because you were selfish.

Or maybe I've seen too many movies, I honestly don't know how I'd respond but I hope I would be heroic about it.

That child could also grow up to be a serial killer. I don't value anyone's life over another... but of course I prefer my own over another.

Yea or he could be a really good person. Or it could be your child. Just saying... not looking to start a fight, just my opinion.
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