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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

I watched Vicky Christina Barcelona a couple of years ago in a theatre. Back then I was going through a tough period in my life – I was suffering through a life-threatening illness, my mom almost got killed in a car accident, I recently lost my job and was adapting to a new one and last but not least my girlfriend of that time just left me, because I refused to marry her and she wanted to „get her life organized“. A classic case of „misery loves company“ [Image: wink.gif])))) As you can imagine my mind was constantly preoccupied with some BS so I didn´t pay much attention to the movie.

A couple of weeks ago friends (mixed male female) invited me to a „nice movie evening“. They wanted to watch „Vicky Christina Barcelona“. I had a mildly pleasent recollection of the movie, so I thought why not.
Watching the movie this second time I could not refrain from noticing of how much of an experienced player Juan Antonio (played by Javier Bardem) was. And how brilliantly he gamed first Vicky and then Christina (played by Scarlett Johansson). I could not stop myself from „automatically“ analyzing his game while watching. I think there are valuable lessons that can be derived from his game. I wanted to share my thoughts with you and hear what you guys think about it.

First of all I think the man was a genious at calibration / assessing his targets and adjusting his game strategy accordingly. He rightly assessed Christina as being the easier one, the type susceptible to „wild, creative, thrilling and passionate artist who lives by his own rules“, a pseudo intellectual but basically dim witted american girl on vacation.

It should also be mentiond that prior to his approaching Christina gives him a lot of indicators of interest, first in the art gallery and they in the restaurant where she is dining with Vicky.

Accordingly he chooses an ULTRA – DIRECT approach targeted in my opinion solely at Christina to transmit to her the above mentioned qualities („wild, thrilling,“ etc.)

After asking the girls 2 questions (if they are Americans and what colour Christinas eyes have) he invites them to fly with him to Oviedo to see a Jesus – scuplture which „inspires“ him. Then he basically tells them that when in Oviedo they will eat good food, drink good wine and make love. All three of them. Vicky is enraged and tries to cockblock him, Christina is intrigued.

His approach corroborates my own experience that with girls who give you strong indicators of interest the best approach is the direct one (not necessarily as super direct as his) where you don´t hide your romantic/sexual interest. Important is in this connection a strong male vibe and a strong immediate follow up, like Juan Antonios (his bullshit story about going to Oviedo and visiting an „inspiring“ Jesus sculpture).

He spends time with girls in Oviedo and speaks a lot about his past great love, Maria Elena (played by Penelope Cruise). Again, usually a no-go, but he sold it not as a whiny BS about how he misses his ex – gf, but presenting himself as a man who experienced great, wild and dangerous (Maria Elena stabs him with a knife during an arguement) passions in his life, a man capable of such. PLUSPOINTS. I am going to incorporate a similar BS story in my repertoire.

When Christina later drops out due to her stomach illness he spits a completely different game on Vicky. And here you definitely see an experienced player at work.

Assessing Vicky to be a conservative woman who is reserved towards him and is getting married soon, he pulls a game of „I am not hitting on you, I am just killing / spending time with you“. But the whole structure of their interaction is that of a romantic date.

First he goes sightseeing with her. Then he once again pulls an ingenious move – he asks her to accompany him to visit his father, who happens to live nearby. His father is a poet who speaks only Spanish in order not to „pollute“ his beautiful poetry which he deliberately withholds from being published in order to punish people for not having learned „despite of thousands of years of civilization how to love“. HOW FUCKING ROMANTIC AND MYSTERIOUS. Chics love such nonsense.

Watching this I even asked myself if his father was in on it. Either way it was a good move. Now Vicky´s interest sparked and she visibly relaxed. Sensing it, Juan Antonio proceeded to feed her bullshit about how he spent his childhood playing and reading in the garden that he was showing her and how he even as a child, always wanted to be an artist, a writer or a painter because he was „full of feelings“ and wanted to „express“ them. Again, SCORE. She relaxes even more around him and the next thing we see, they are dining in a romantic little spanish restaurant. Again, the vibe is „It is not a date“.

What he does here, is in my opinion, „qualify“ her in the classic PUA – sense of the term. For example he asks her, why she is interested in the Catalan culture, why she is uneasy when her fiancee calls during their conversation, he even states that they are just dining together (meaning it´s not a date) and that he is surprised that she wants to see his work because he thaught that she dissapproves of him. She makes some lame excuses.

Then he invites her to hear some nice spanish guitar music, she gives a token resistance but he quickly convinces her with some nonsense that it is their last day in Oviedo and it would be a shame.

After that she is obviously „in the mood“ and he feeds her extremely cheesy compliments like „you have a beautiful face“ and that he noticed that she was moved by the music and he was moved too, etc, making it seem as if she was something special for him, cracking her open for good. This is the phase, where compliments are applied best – when you are about to crack a chick open and need a nice little final push. After that he bangs her.

He does not call her after banging. Instead he calls Christina and bangs her too after showing her his paintings. Incredible. He must have calculated that Vicky would not tell Christina that she slept with him on order not to appear as a slut (she is about to get married) and in order not to appear as a backstabbing traitor, because she knew that Christina liked him and wanted to fuck him.

So, to quickly recapitulate the lessons from the movie as I see them:

1.Carefully assess your targets + calibrate your game accordingly. Give your targets what they crave. Christina wanted a wild, passionate artist, Vicky wanted a romantic, emotional artist.
2.Open with a strong direct opener if the target gives you good indicators of interest
3.Have a strong, intriguing follow up to suck them into your reality
4.Present your background as intriguing and mysterious, even better show it (keyword: „papa-poet“)
5.Do not shy away from talking about your former wild passions. I think this tactic served 2 purposes for Juan Antonio – first, it showed that he is a man of the world who experienced great wild passionate love and second, it made Vicky want to outperform it, due to competitive nature of women regarding other women.
6.With a reserved woman don´t show that you are hitting on her. Make her relax around you by showing a bit of a vulnerable side, present her experiences to which she can easily connect – like emotional childhood stories aka Juan Antonio. Give off the vibe of „we are just hanging around a bit“
7.Qualify her – VERY important. Make her work and self-conscious.
8.Close by showing how you „recognize“ something special about her.

So what do you guys think?
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

Dude, don't assess movie scenes/characters. They are fictional, scripted, and shot over a dozen times so the actors get it right.

Real life, is unscripted.


Mixx
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

Roosh has posted this scene in his blog some time ago.

For me Juan Antonio's move has the same core of Mixx's Apocalipse Opener (AO) , an ULTRA direct approach.

For this you need a SUPER SOLID inner game (Really believe that you are the hottest man alive) because you can't hesitate.
I'm not at that level yet , but I think that this could work smoothly if done in the correct scenario/manner.

Chicks need to be on rotation like a Netflix queue
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

I think you are looking top-down at the issue and not bottom up.

What I mean by that is you are analysing the game of somebody who IS NOT YOU. This is top down.

Bottom up would be to look at your own strengths and inner and game and work to who YOU are. You are likely not an artist, he was.

You were likely not married to a chick that looked like Cruz, he was.

He had rock solid inner game, your comment that you were going to "incorporate a similar BS story in my repertoire" tells me that you dont have it.

Don't "make up some BS story" to top-down mimic somebody you are not.

Nobody with rock solid inner game would need to do that.
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

Hey man, you really put a lot into that post, that's cool. Keep thinking like that and you'll probably get somewhere. I couldn't read the whole thing, however, here's a line that can be capitalized on.
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First of all I think the man was a genious at calibration / assessing his targets and adjusting his game strategy accordingly.

And this is what it's allllllll about, and what is NOT taught properly anywhere. Now, SOME people are able to do tons of approaches and learn, others do tons of approaches and still can't figure it out, they need a teacher. I've been on a very high end bootcamp. They don't even get close to the stuff you're talking about. It blows my mind that every 'pua' book I've looked at, didn't even have pictures of girls and analysis of what type they might be based on their 'dress', and what game would be necessary. That's ridiculous.

Ok, that dude in the movie is very good looking. I could pull his exact same game and would not get those responses. Sorry. That's genetics. Do what you can. Dude's got a villa to go to also, niiiiiiice. Tall dark handsome, with a villa to boot. Welcome to fantasy land. Still, good movie, and Woody Allen is a genius.
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

Quote: (01-13-2012 10:48 AM)Mr.GM Wrote:  

Roosh has posted this scene in his blog some time ago.

For me Juan Antonio's move has the same core of Mixx's Apocalipse Opener (AO) , an ULTRA direct approach.

Mixx didn't create the apocalypse opener. This guy did:
http://www.bristollair.com/2008/outer-ga...se-opener/
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

Quote: (01-14-2012 02:57 PM)Zep Wrote:  

Hey man, you really put a lot into that post, that's cool. Keep thinking like that and you'll probably get somewhere. I couldn't read the whole thing, however, here's a line that can be capitalized on.
Quote:Quote:

First of all I think the man was a genious at calibration / assessing his targets and adjusting his game strategy accordingly.

And this is what it's allllllll about, and what is NOT taught properly anywhere. Now, SOME people are able to do tons of approaches and learn, others do tons of approaches and still can't figure it out, they need a teacher. I've been on a very high end bootcamp. They don't even get close to the stuff you're talking about. It blows my mind that every 'pua' book I've looked at, didn't even have pictures of girls and analysis of what type they might be based on their 'dress', and what game would be necessary. That's ridiculous.

Ok, that dude in the movie is very good looking. I could pull his exact same game and would not get those responses. Sorry. That's genetics. Do what you can. Dude's got a villa to go to also, niiiiiiice. Tall dark handsome, with a villa to boot. Welcome to fantasy land. Still, good movie, and Woody Allen is a genius.

Yeah, I completely agree with you. Calibration is one of the most important aspects of the game and it is nowhere explained properly or even in the slightest.... I am going to make a classification of game according to the type of woman, it is really necessary and is nowhere to be found
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

From what I could take from it -

Confident Subtly Sexual Undercurrent with a Charming Relaxed & Warm but Direct Vibe

The point of modern propaganda isn't only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

I haven't seen the movie, but I like this thread, I think the guy does a good job of breaking down the seduction, and I think his list of observations at the end can directly be applied to game.
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

This is the problem with game.

Guy didn't try to "instadate" a girl at the coffee shop.

He offered to fly them on his airplane.

Do you have an airplane to take women on exotic trips?

Unless you have his lifestyle, you can't run his game.
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

Good breakdown from roissy a few years back.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2010/05/1...-movies-6/
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

Quote: (01-18-2012 06:40 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

This is the problem with game.

Guy didn't try to "instadate" a girl at the coffee shop.

He offered to fly them on his airplane.

Do you have an airplane to take women on exotic trips?

Unless you have his lifestyle, you can't run his game.

This.

Lets get real here OP, you are essentially analyzing someone's imagination. 99% of men being could not pull something like this off.
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

I have taken inspiration form the scene where he invites them on the plane and his body language while he does it...but again its a movie and his circumstances are different than 99.99% of us...

That being said this scene is part of my seduction routine when I bring women back to my place(again this is after drinks and a venue change already)...the 6 minute clip on youtube that has full scene start to finish is good to take women to a fantasy land where they get swooped by prine charming and at the end of scene is where i escalate sometimes...(And i am playing this on a 10 ft HD projection screen)

The Lizard Whisperer.......
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

Ok you have convinced me. Every woman I speak to from now on will be offered a flight on my plane to Oviedo to see a statue.
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

Quote: (01-18-2012 06:40 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

This is the problem with game.

Guy didn't try to "instadate" a girl at the coffee shop.

He offered to fly them on his airplane.

Do you have an airplane to take women on exotic trips?

I don't agree with that (I just saw the movie for the first time). Having an airplane ecc. is just a movie thing. I'm positive that you can translate the same game in real life, as long as some conditions exist.

First of all: enviroment. I don't think you can run that game, for example in a second tier polish town or in a grey industrial western city. The girl would question why you ended up in such a shit-hole if you are such a great man. Hence, you need an exciting and stimulating atmosphere around you: Barcelona, Rome, Florence, Cote d'azur, Paris, Athen, Rio de Janeiro. Exotic. Lot of sun, art, beauty all around, which stimulate the senses and the imagination of a woman.
Second: inner game. This was already mentioned here. That's obvious: you can't fake confidence and charme, it's something you must have. Being relatively handsome surely doesn't make damages too.
Third: status and social recognition. In my opinion this was key in the Juan Antonio game, IN ORDER TO START IT. Beside his handsomeness and charme, THE GIRLS KNEW ABOUT HIM BEFORE BEING APPROACHED. They knew his social status (an appreciated artist) and how women reacted to him (his former wife stabbed him for passional reasons, which is something to no one girl reacts with indifference). Juan Antonio had the authentic confidence to approach in that way not only because os Scarlett Johanson's glances, but also by knowing (better: having internalized) that his social position, in that enviroment, was looked up to.

That said, let's translate this piece of fiction in a real enviroment. Let's say you are a love tourist, handsome enough and with some money to spend. How woyld you act?
I'd say:
- go in one of the cities mentioned above.
- spend some money to impress a little: rent an expensive car, stay in a charming apartment, buy some good clothes.
- find a way to be socially recognized, e.g. hanging out with people of a certain level: artists, beautiful people ecc.
- walk to the girl(s) after having identifying them as suitable for what you aim to.
- spit your game. In this instance i would say to the girl that I wanna take her with my nice car to a wonderful place (e.g. a beach, a charming monastery, ecc.) and then going to my house, which has an amazing and unique view, dining with the best wine ecc. and then, if she wants to, making love.

I think it might work.
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Analysis of Juan Antonio´s game in Vicky Christina Barcelona

Quote: (01-06-2015 09:09 AM)Garzero Wrote:  

That said, let's translate this piece of fiction in a real enviroment. Let's say you are a love tourist, handsome enough and with some money to spend. How woyld you act?
I'd say:
- go in one of the cities mentioned above.
- spend some money to impress a little: rent an expensive car, stay in a charming apartment, buy some good clothes.
- find a way to be socially recognized, e.g. hanging out with people of a certain level: artists, beautiful people ecc.
- walk to the girl(s) after having identifying them as suitable for what you aim to.
- spit your game. In this instance i would say to the girl that I wanna take her with my nice car to a wonderful place (e.g. a beach, a charming monastery, ecc.) and then going to my house, which has an amazing and unique view, dining with the best wine ecc. and then, if she wants to, making love.

I think it might work.

This seems like an incredibly roundabout way to bang a couple American tourists.

I don't doubt it would work, but there are other faster and cheaper options. Trying to emulate his confidence and no-bullshit approach is good, but you don't need the artist's lifestyle to do that.
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Quote: (01-06-2015 09:46 AM)Hedonistic Traveler Wrote:  

Quote: (01-06-2015 09:09 AM)Garzero Wrote:  

That said, let's translate this piece of fiction in a real enviroment. Let's say you are a love tourist, handsome enough and with some money to spend. How woyld you act?
I'd say:
- go in one of the cities mentioned above.
- spend some money to impress a little: rent an expensive car, stay in a charming apartment, buy some good clothes.
- find a way to be socially recognized, e.g. hanging out with people of a certain level: artists, beautiful people ecc.
- walk to the girl(s) after having identifying them as suitable for what you aim to.
- spit your game. In this instance i would say to the girl that I wanna take her with my nice car to a wonderful place (e.g. a beach, a charming monastery, ecc.) and then going to my house, which has an amazing and unique view, dining with the best wine ecc. and then, if she wants to, making love.

I think it might work.

This seems like an incredibly roundabout way to bang a couple American tourists.

I don't doubt it would work, but there are other faster and cheaper options. Trying to emulate his confidence and no-bullshit approach is good, but you don't need the artist's lifestyle to do that.

It was more about: how something like what happened in the movie could happen in real life IF you are not Juan Antonio yourself?

Then, sure, you can still invite that ok-cupid girl on a date and then change venue to your apartment, you'll get a cheaper and faster bang, no doubts about this.
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