too right mixx,too fuckin right.i hate bitches like that
Girls who are ready to fight guys in bars and clubs
I'll agree that the public service announcement at the end was a bit much, considering Snooki's behavior leading up to it. At the same time, the guy lost his job because of it. Based on that, regardless of her behavior, it wasn't worth it. He has a record of beating women, even though that may have been the only time he's ever raised a hand to one. In the age of instant celebrity, Snooki's fame grows, as does her bank account, while this guy will have that on his record for years, if not forever. I totally understood WHY he popped her, but the cost was too great.
"The best kind of pride is that which compels a man to do his best when no one is watching."
The worst part of all this is that we're exporting this behavior abroad. I was clubbing in Spain a couple of years ago when a couple of dolled-up drunk gringas tried to shove their way past me to the bar. I stood firm and the taller one spilled some of her drink on the ground. This silly chick demanded I buy her another (like 15 euros at this place), and when I told her to screw off she threw the damn thing in my face. I just laughed it off and went on my way. That shit bothered me though, and I still wonder if I shouldn't have done something. If it had been a guy punches would have been thrown and bouncers would have been tossing people out. A chick does it and nobody even bats an eye.
As for Snooki:
She didn't deserve it.
But a guy in her situation wouldn't have either. Regardless of his size. I don't think sucker punching someone like that after a brief exchange of words is appropriate, or advisable.
But if Snooki had a penis, no one would've cared. The coach would've gotten a slap on the wrist, if anything. Chicks would've laughed and said, haha, got what you deserve.
If their behavior is any guide, women are truly amoral. They respond to power. If you wrong her while she remains in awe of your power, she will forgive you. Maybe evolution is the answer - in the ancestral environment, a woman might still bear offspring by submitting herself to her male captors. A male prisoner, worthless. If left to his own devices, he will just be a threat and attempt revenge. Better to kill him.
And if you lose your sway over her, everything she had previously agreed to is now the gravest sin.
I think part of the appeal of white knighting is man's inherent desire to enforce justice. We love stories where the bad guy gets punished. But we don't really get any opportunities to do that, to personally mete out justice to the villain. Even policemen spend most of their time handing out bullshit tickets. So when they see a woman getting less than nicely, it's like a light shining down from heaven, and God is personally asking him to fight the forces of evil.
And that light is blinding. If he weren't so deluded, he'd see that the chick is the villain in this equation, much of the time. Even when she isn't the clear aggressor, she's often already effectively consented to it by default, by deliberately screwing an abusive man, over and over. Aka, shit attracts pigs. Hell, he could even be a not such a bad guy, but he acts abusive to attract and keep her.
Like Mixx said, guys feel like every girl would sleep with him, "if only she knew how good I am." Finally, God has given him the opportunity to prove himself. And not only is one side evil, but the other is obviously disadvantaged by size and strength. To not come to her aid would be the grossest injustice.
I hate white knighting. And especially because it doesn't even work. I'd still hate it if it did, but because it doesn't, it's like, "It doesn't even work! Why are you doing this?" Playing devil's advocate in a situation like this is much more effective than coming to her side. If only because there will already be so many men at her proverbial side. Agreeableness isn't arousing, especially for a masculine chick.
She didn't deserve it.
But a guy in her situation wouldn't have either. Regardless of his size. I don't think sucker punching someone like that after a brief exchange of words is appropriate, or advisable.
But if Snooki had a penis, no one would've cared. The coach would've gotten a slap on the wrist, if anything. Chicks would've laughed and said, haha, got what you deserve.
If their behavior is any guide, women are truly amoral. They respond to power. If you wrong her while she remains in awe of your power, she will forgive you. Maybe evolution is the answer - in the ancestral environment, a woman might still bear offspring by submitting herself to her male captors. A male prisoner, worthless. If left to his own devices, he will just be a threat and attempt revenge. Better to kill him.
And if you lose your sway over her, everything she had previously agreed to is now the gravest sin.
Quote: (01-11-2012 01:33 PM)speakeasy Wrote:
Look at the MTV public service announcement at the end. Basically compelling guys to be white knights. Well, what are you going to do if the cops are white knights too? Look at the sheer anger with which they dragged him out of there. They didn't even seem interested in being objective and hearing both sides of the story. If she had punched him, nobody would be running up to defend his honor and the cops would not be dragging her out of there like she just robbed a bank. If a guy hits a woman even in self-defense, he's treated the way prisoners treat a child molester. I used to be one of those guys that would react that way if a dude slapped a woman. But any guy after he thinks about it a bit will start to question the white knight shit we were programmed with. The double standard is disgusting.
I think part of the appeal of white knighting is man's inherent desire to enforce justice. We love stories where the bad guy gets punished. But we don't really get any opportunities to do that, to personally mete out justice to the villain. Even policemen spend most of their time handing out bullshit tickets. So when they see a woman getting less than nicely, it's like a light shining down from heaven, and God is personally asking him to fight the forces of evil.
And that light is blinding. If he weren't so deluded, he'd see that the chick is the villain in this equation, much of the time. Even when she isn't the clear aggressor, she's often already effectively consented to it by default, by deliberately screwing an abusive man, over and over. Aka, shit attracts pigs. Hell, he could even be a not such a bad guy, but he acts abusive to attract and keep her.
Like Mixx said, guys feel like every girl would sleep with him, "if only she knew how good I am." Finally, God has given him the opportunity to prove himself. And not only is one side evil, but the other is obviously disadvantaged by size and strength. To not come to her aid would be the grossest injustice.
I hate white knighting. And especially because it doesn't even work. I'd still hate it if it did, but because it doesn't, it's like, "It doesn't even work! Why are you doing this?" Playing devil's advocate in a situation like this is much more effective than coming to her side. If only because there will already be so many men at her proverbial side. Agreeableness isn't arousing, especially for a masculine chick.
Quote: (01-11-2012 01:39 PM)MiXX Wrote:
We are encouraged to be white knights because we as men are led to believe it makes us worthy of sex, and long term boyfriends or even fuck buddies to other women watching our actions. Or, if we are lucky, the damsel we are rescuing from harm will reward us with sex.
Other women will watch me defend this "helpless" woman, so therefore, I increase my chances of sex with one of these whores by 90% vs standing here and taking the guys side even if he is 100% right!
Mixx
Simple, yet very well put.
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I agree with what basilransom has to say, I definitely don't think Snooki deserved to get punched in the face, nor would anyone in her situation.
Was she acting like a major bitch? Yes. Should she have been putting her hand in the guys' face? No.
But, that in itself doesn't deserve to be met with violence, if she had slapped him, then I think it would have been a different story, because she would have unjustly initiated violence, and he would have been within his rights (in my mind) for retaliating.
However, what I think he should have done was throw back that shot, tell her to suck a dick, and walk away. If anyone white knighted in that situation and tried to fight the guy, they would be at risk of getting charged with assault as it was all caught on tape. I think it would take a bigger man, to swallow his pride for a second, control is emotions, and realize the more mature thing to do, is say fuck it and walk away.
My 2 cents.
Was she acting like a major bitch? Yes. Should she have been putting her hand in the guys' face? No.
But, that in itself doesn't deserve to be met with violence, if she had slapped him, then I think it would have been a different story, because she would have unjustly initiated violence, and he would have been within his rights (in my mind) for retaliating.
However, what I think he should have done was throw back that shot, tell her to suck a dick, and walk away. If anyone white knighted in that situation and tried to fight the guy, they would be at risk of getting charged with assault as it was all caught on tape. I think it would take a bigger man, to swallow his pride for a second, control is emotions, and realize the more mature thing to do, is say fuck it and walk away.
My 2 cents.
Just a reminder... this is not just a Western problem....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juqGSTEmSLw
Then listen to how she goads him in this one. On and on . You can hear the lady saying, she hit him first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLj5xkBD6...re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juqGSTEmSLw
Then listen to how she goads him in this one. On and on . You can hear the lady saying, she hit him first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLj5xkBD6...re=related
I had an ex try to get physical with me. I let a few pushes and punches slide and told her no more.
She decided to try it again and ended up getting an open handed smack upside her head. There was enough force in it to make her realize she wouldn't be touching me again like she was.
Luckily it was in private.
I felt pretty bad because I was taught to not hit a woman. Now, not so bad and understand she deserved it. That was really the only time I had a woman try to put her hands on me.
She decided to try it again and ended up getting an open handed smack upside her head. There was enough force in it to make her realize she wouldn't be touching me again like she was.
Luckily it was in private.
I felt pretty bad because I was taught to not hit a woman. Now, not so bad and understand she deserved it. That was really the only time I had a woman try to put her hands on me.
Quote: (01-11-2012 03:16 PM)basilransom Wrote:
But a guy in her situation wouldn't have either. Regardless of his size. I don't think sucker punching someone like that after a brief exchange of words is appropriate, or advisable.
Clipping a guy in the face who is toe to toe with you, talking shit, and sticking his fingers all around your face is absolutely NOT a sucker punch. That is 100% fair game and if you are the one doing the shit talking, you better expect to get popped. Not everyone abides by the "fighting is so childish" PC code that is so popular these days.
Quote: (01-11-2012 04:36 PM)RioNomad Wrote:
Clipping a guy in the face who is toe to toe with you, talking shit, and sticking his fingers all around your face is absolutely NOT a sucker punch. That is 100% fair game and if you are the one doing the shit talking, you better expect to get popped. Not everyone abides by the "fighting is so childish" PC code that is so popular these days.
100% agreed! And just because she has a vagina, it is not an exception to the rule. If she is sticking her hands/fingers in your face, talking shit and publicly humiliating you for no fucking reason other than her own validation; fair game if she starts spilling some of the red-stuff from her lips.
If a bar bitch is gonna get angry and start acting up, and swelling-up like a man, she's gonna get dealt with like one.
Mixx
Thiis more along the lines of what you expect. Still, you could be more suave and less violent than a dramatized 1930's gangster.
That Youtube video above is not what I meant. The girl was NOT being antagonistic and humiliating him. She was merely not catering to his whims and morning grouchiness; in this case, the orange to the face was uncalled for. He should get punched!
Mixx
Mixx
Quote: (01-11-2012 08:52 AM)kimleebj Wrote:
Quote: (01-11-2012 01:05 AM)wolf Wrote:
Snooki deserved it.
No way. She didn't hit the guy or pour a drink on him. She is 4'9" and he cold-cocked her (no pun). Posters are complaining about women who get physical after being provoked by mere words; now you are approving of a man doing the same thing.
It is interesting that unattractive women are the perpetrators. They are drunk, angry about being ignored, and then it spills over. It is not unlike drunk, frustrated guys who get into fights at the end of the night.
She didn't get her ass beat. She got one of those "bitch you need to know your place" punches. If you look closely the way he punched her was just one punch, he wasn't going to do any punching after that.
If he was beating on her and her life was in danger then that is when you need to step in. Most of the time the woman provokes the guy, in those cases that's her problem.
Quote: (01-11-2012 03:50 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:
Just a reminder... this is not just a Western problem....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juqGSTEmSLw
The Indian guys I know are the biggest betas and white-knights. I'm not surprised his wife is beating him up, and good, because he probably deserves it
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Quote: (01-11-2012 04:42 PM)MiXX Wrote:
Quote: (01-11-2012 04:36 PM)RioNomad Wrote:
Clipping a guy in the face who is toe to toe with you, talking shit, and sticking his fingers all around your face is absolutely NOT a sucker punch. That is 100% fair game and if you are the one doing the shit talking, you better expect to get popped. Not everyone abides by the "fighting is so childish" PC code that is so popular these days.
100% agreed! And just because she has a vagina, it is not an exception to the rule. If she is sticking her hands/fingers in your face, talking shit and publicly humiliating you for no fucking reason other than her own validation; fair game if she starts spilling some of the red-stuff from her lips.
If a bar bitch is gonna get angry and start acting up, and swelling-up like a man, she's gonna get dealt with like one.
Mixx
SNOOKI:
Just saw the vid, several times. I am not pro-hitting women.
She deserved to get put in her place. But maybe not a punch so hard, but what's the guy gonna do if he's tired & stressed from work etc & DRUNK with shots. He's not really gonna think what to do, but just lash out (unfortunately, not in full control).
But she got what she gave out. She GOT in his face, entire time he kept ignoring her and going to his drinks and to his boys. She KEPT getting into his face verbally & with her hands. He verbally, told her and even ignored her many times.
She stepped into THEIR groups space and kept leaning into and shoved her nails in front of him and one time probably even touched him (2nd time).
I think the guy would've moved away from her had he not been holding his place at the bar to get his shots & give to his friends. (Mentally & physically he's locked to the location & paid for drinks).
Ideally, he would've moved away, or maybe a slap on the face. But, his positioning with his friend there was such that he could not SWING his arm, so the only way to get her out of his face, was a "straight to her" MOVE. It just ended up being a punch given HOW MUCH crap she gave him to fill up his ANGER bucket.
GENERAL:
Leaving "over witchy" girls like Snooki out. Sadly, a lot of the save woman "programming" comes from the fact that women have been mistreated for 100s of 1000s of years in almost all cultures. Even today tons of women go through hell in the 3rd world. That's why there are NGOs to save women & girl child etc.
This is good, because these women deserve to be treated better. The are ENTITLED to be treated like equal humans. This is the cause of the programming.
But, men caused it for centuries and now there's some kind of a sense of payback.
But, this whole ENTITLEMENT "SHIELD" is what these western-ized women take undue advantage of. Way too much! Way more than they deserve.
The point of modern propaganda isn't only to misinform or push an agenda. It is to exhaust your critical thinking, to annihilate truth.
- Garry Kasparov | @Kasparov63
Quote: (01-11-2012 01:12 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:
I got to meet Snooki last year. She was doing her book signing tour at a small book store near my work. In her defense I thought she was really nice in person. I think a lot of the shit you see is just for show and higher TV ratings.
Of course she's going to be real nice when she's trying to sell you something.
I don't follow Jersey Shore but from reading summaries in entertainment news the crew caught a lot of shit in Italy that they didn't dare act on. I suppose that when their homefield immunity is gone they keep it cooler.
Quote: (01-11-2012 07:53 PM)Donald Duck Wrote:
Man that vid reminds me of this one night when a 6'5" 200 pound guy threw down a petite 5'5" woman outside of the bar. A bunch of white knights pulled him off her, but she still got served.
A weaker guy knows that he would get his ass kicked if he ever acted like that, so he would keep his calm and not engage in fighting (unless if it's self defence). Women on the other hand are like children; acting on their emotions and hitting people because they think it's right.
What is scary is that for all we know the girl could have been a psycho/drunk and the guy could have been completely innocent, and he could have gotten his ass kicked if the guys present were white knights and attacked him right after he punched her.
I was at a nightclub in North Georgia for Oktoberfest.
It was my friends birthday party.
I'm tired from the drive so I take some caffeine pills to stay awake.
Girl out of nowhere walks over to me and asks what I have in my hand.
Open my hand, "caffe-"
Slap in the face.
I explode in rage "WHAT THE FUCK"
Bitch starts screaming.
Suddenly hundreds of faggot white knights appear.
I realize I am outnumbered and my friends had already left.
I leave. Not worth it.
And that's one of the stories of why I don't do nightclubs anymore. Apparently this girl thought I had roofies and was looking for girls drinks to spike. Instead of asking, she decided she had a right to slap me. Girls seem obsessed with the idea of rape. Fucking weird cunts.
It was my friends birthday party.
I'm tired from the drive so I take some caffeine pills to stay awake.
Girl out of nowhere walks over to me and asks what I have in my hand.
Open my hand, "caffe-"
Slap in the face.
I explode in rage "WHAT THE FUCK"
Bitch starts screaming.
Suddenly hundreds of faggot white knights appear.
I realize I am outnumbered and my friends had already left.
I leave. Not worth it.
And that's one of the stories of why I don't do nightclubs anymore. Apparently this girl thought I had roofies and was looking for girls drinks to spike. Instead of asking, she decided she had a right to slap me. Girls seem obsessed with the idea of rape. Fucking weird cunts.
Quote: (01-11-2012 10:31 PM)raliv Wrote:
I was at a nightclub in North Georgia for Oktoberfest.
It was my friends birthday party.
I'm tired from the drive so I take some caffeine pills to stay awake.
Girl out of nowhere walks over to me and asks what I have in my hand.
Open my hand, "caffe-"
Slap in the face.
I explode in rage "WHAT THE FUCK"
Bitch starts screaming.
Suddenly hundreds of faggot white knights appear.
I realize I am outnumbered and my friends had already left.
I leave. Not worth it.
And that's one of the stories of why I don't do nightclubs anymore. Apparently this girl thought I had roofies and was looking for girls drinks to spike. Instead of asking, she decided she had a right to slap me. Girls seem obsessed with the idea of rape. Fucking weird cunts.
Bitches be crazy man.
Bitches be crazy.
I've noticed this as well; an explosion of obnoxious "grrrrrl power" manifesting itself as rudeness, baseless arrogance, and needless verbal and physical confrontation.
This generation has been saturated in media that depicts women as a not only mentally superior to but also a physical match, or superior to, men over the last 15 years. The result- the average woman sees herself as superior to the average man- and anyone familiar with the concept of hypergamy knows that a woman does not respect or defer to that which she sees as inferior to herself. Its not a suprise that we're seeing an increase in obnoxiousness and physical controntation; its simply the fruition of the gynocratic (women rule!) memes that were planted, and nourished, by the media over the last 15 years. With he current generation, that's coming onto the fuck market, growing up on shows such as Power Puff Girls and Buffy- I would expect this trend to get worse, not better.
This generation has been saturated in media that depicts women as a not only mentally superior to but also a physical match, or superior to, men over the last 15 years. The result- the average woman sees herself as superior to the average man- and anyone familiar with the concept of hypergamy knows that a woman does not respect or defer to that which she sees as inferior to herself. Its not a suprise that we're seeing an increase in obnoxiousness and physical controntation; its simply the fruition of the gynocratic (women rule!) memes that were planted, and nourished, by the media over the last 15 years. With he current generation, that's coming onto the fuck market, growing up on shows such as Power Puff Girls and Buffy- I would expect this trend to get worse, not better.
Girls will eventually be knocked back into reality when they try some shit with a guy who doesn't give a fuck. You're really playing with fire when you start shit with strangers.
Ah-ha! knew I remembered reading about a girl being a obnoxious cunt and thinking she could get away with it!
http://www.rooshv.com/idiot-model-gets-t...ant-lesson
I agree with Roosh's original statement..
http://www.rooshv.com/idiot-model-gets-t...ant-lesson
I agree with Roosh's original statement..
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Do think Jayde would have attacked a man like that in a Middle Eastern country? Hell no because she knows she’d be murdered. I’m definitely not saying that’s what we need, but our culture has taught women that they can disrespect men without repercussion, and has taught men to accept that disrespect like little punks. Well there are men who haven’t bought that view and are making the world a better place by teaching women like Jayde that you can’t go around attacking men. I guarantee you she will never pour a shot on a man again in her life.
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