[FretDancer]

Haha I guess every girl is a leftover then.

[seeker04542]

(01-07-2012 12:26 AM)The_CEO Wrote:  

(01-06-2012 10:54 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

(01-06-2012 07:18 PM)The_CEO Wrote:  

I met a woman like this who was extremely attractive, i think she was histrionic, not BPD, which is similar. She pulled the same sh-t, and if you're not equipped to deal with it you're done

I just looked up HPD, and I'm shocked that its not more common. As i read the symptoms, a number of very popular TV characters/personalities came to mind. This society glorifies HPD-like behavior.

Kim Kardashian is one obvious example, as are Paris Hilton and most popular female reality show stars. Shows like Gossip Girl feature HPDish female characters as main characters.

With influences like this, its no wonder we run across so many of these disorders. That type of behavior is integrated into our culture.

That's true. After my experience i read up on it and it turns out that many women that have it are very attractive. These disorders tend to be very difficult (impossible) to treat and BDPs and histrionics will often manipulate the psychiatrist/psychologist. in some ways they are like psychopaths but are not physically violent.

No (psychiatric) disorder is inherently impossible to treat, it all depends on how whether the mental health profession has developed effective protocols for it…BPD used to considered untreatable (old joke: How do you treat someone with BPD? You give them a referral.) but this is no longer the case, something called DBT (Dialectical Behavioral Therapy) was developed specifically for it and has shown quite a bit of success.

Plus, if a treatment provider is specially trained in a diagnosis containing elements of drama, manipulation and so on, (in theory) they will be well-equipped to recognize, interpret and respond appropriately to attempts at manipulating them; a good therapist isn't just a warm and fuzzy layperson with a lot of patience who sits there and nods while hoping for the best.

[aphelion]

(01-06-2012 11:44 PM)JoyStick Wrote:  

16. fuck dudes in bands.

Hey

[porscheguy]

(01-07-2012 02:30 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

I read somewhere that BPD has nine specific traits/components, and that to be considered officially BPD a person needed to have been diagnosed with at least 5 of them.

I'd be willing to bet that close to half of the women in this country have at least two or three of those nine traits. Once you also account for the histrionics and other crazies, it might be reasonable to assume that most chicks you run into have something off.

I know this is an old post, but since no one else filled in the blanks, I'll do it.

HPD, BPD, NPD (Narcissistic), and APD(Antisocial), are known as "Cluster B disorders." These are probably the most serious of the personality disorders because they basically require interaction with other people. People with cluster A or cluster C disorders tend to keep to themselves. People with cluster B disorders tend to be extremely outgoing.

I actually refer to cluster B as the "estrogen disorders" because of their higher rates of occurrence among women. Antisocial is the exception, it's 3X more likely in males due to the criteria of violence. But you should regard borderline personality disorder as the female equivalent of Antisocial personality disorder. It's 3X more likely in females. In either case, when confronted with someone who has either of these issues, you should get the fuck away from them ASAP. They can wreck your life and possibly end it.

HPD occurs 4X more often in women than men.
Rates of NPD are about even and possibly more frequent among males. But since the number of cases with this diagnosis has doubled in the past 15 years, I bet we'll see it change. The American Psychiatric Association was debating whether to eliminate NPD in their upcoming DSM. I'm speculating that this was fueled by the increase in the number of diagnoses in recent years, and that increase is mostly among women. If my hypothesis is correct, then it gives credence to my label of "estrogen disorders."

[seeker04542]

(08-31-2012 10:08 AM)porscheguy Wrote:  

(01-07-2012 02:30 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

I read somewhere that BPD has nine specific traits/components, and that to be considered officially BPD a person needed to have been diagnosed with at least 5 of them.

I'd be willing to bet that close to half of the women in this country have at least two or three of those nine traits. Once you also account for the histrionics and other crazies, it might be reasonable to assume that most chicks you run into have something off.

I know this is an old post, but since no one else filled in the blanks, I'll do it.

HPD, BPD, NPD (Narcissistic), and APD(Antisocial), are known as "Cluster B disorders." These are probably the most serious of the personality disorders because they basically require interaction with other people. People with cluster A or cluster C disorders tend to keep to themselves. People with cluster B disorders tend to be extremely outgoing.

I actually refer to cluster B as the "estrogen disorders" because of their higher rates of occurrence among women. Antisocial is the exception, it's 3X more likely in males due to the criteria of violence. But you should regard borderline personality disorder as the female equivalent of Antisocial personality disorder. It's 3X more likely in females. In either case, when confronted with someone who has either of these issues, you should get the fuck away from them ASAP. They can wreck your life and possibly end it.

HPD occurs 4X more often in women than men.
Rates of NPD are about even and possibly more frequent among males. But since the number of cases with this diagnosis has doubled in the past 15 years, I bet we'll see it change. The American Psychiatric Association was debating whether to eliminate NPD in their upcoming DSM. I'm speculating that this was fueled by the increase in the number of diagnoses in recent years, and that increase is mostly among women. If my hypothesis is correct, then it gives credence to my label of "estrogen disorders."

Good info and you're right about the APA revising the DSM (perpetually) and how disorders/diagnoses can no longer "exist" so to speak (and conversely get "discovered" or "invented").

I would just throw in though that no class of mental disorders can be considered *inherently* more "serious" than any other although you could make the case that it's *more* of a mistake to get involved with someone with a personality disorder which expresses itself in the interpersonal arena. (Also, any one individual can "have" a mental disorder to varying degrees or not, so someone with a "mild" case of BPD might actually be easier to deal with than someone with a very deep pattern of schizoid relating; it's the difference between [the paradigms] of dimensional scales versus categorical ones [currently the latter are used, there was some talk of adopting the former for the next DSM but it wasn't passed afaik [I think it would have been a good thing personally]).

[Neophyte]

Pretty good image on why to avoid cluster b's.