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Reflections on the No Dating Challenge
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Reflections on the No Dating Challenge

Back in July, Roosh wrote a post titled “The No-Dating Challenge for Intermediate Players.” At the time, I was approaching a two-month dry spell so I knew I needed a change. I’ve been in the game long enough to know that if you’re having a dry spell, it’s time to make radical changes. Up until the no-dating challenge I would still settle for a number after getting a make out.

So for me to accept the no-dating challenge would indeed be a big change.

Roosh’s challenge was framed as thus:

The Challenge: For three months, I don’t want you to go on a single date with a girl you haven’t already had sex with.

Although I liked the concept of the no-dating challenge, I changed the challenge around a bit in order to make it easier on myself, because I figured there wasn’t any reason to deny a number with a high likelihood of sex.

Samseau’s No-Dating Challenge : Do not accept a number unless you’ve already made it back to a sex location.

This means if I made it reasonably far within a seduction of a girl, I could take her number for a future date. The full challenge of sex or nothing was too much, and didn’t really seem to help me understand how to best fuck many girls.

Roosh also stated that “Dating before sex was actually detrimental to my sex goal since so many girls during the summer want the immediate satisfaction of having a cock […] inside them,” but that “things are a little different in the winter. Girls are going out with bushy vaginas and unshaved legs, not having washed in days. They are not prepared to receive […] penis, so one-night stands are triply hard during this season.” Therefore, I also wanted to use this challenge to see if female behavior changed with the seasons.

And now, four months later, the results are in. Let’s just say that this no-dating challenge has been the best thing that has ever happened to my sex life, and I would like to share my experiences and results with you.

Evolution

(As you may or may not know, my night game is dance floor game. Keep that in mind as you read this.)

For the first two weeks of the challenge, I didn’t accomplish shit. I felt like I was making negative progress. No numbers, no lays, just a bunch of dances that left me with blue balls. I decided to ramp up my aggressiveness and see what happened. I wasn’t sure how to reliably get a girl back to her place or my place, so I was just stumbling around in the dark until I got lucky.

And then, on the third week, I got lucky. Dancing with a small, petite, and very attractive girl in middle of August, I used my regular line of pulling her outside to cool off. I hadn’t danced with her for more than twenty minutes. As we walked outside, we both pulled out our earplugs. It was like this girl visited a lot of clubs too. But, instead of just hanging outside the club to talk, she started to walk me back to her place without saying a word! Once inside of her apartment, I was still in a state of shock of how fast/easy I had gotten inside her place, so I of course fucked up such an easy lay. My nervousness showed and she showed me out the door. I got her number but I never called.

This was the epiphany moment for me: all she wanted was a fuck. There was no point for romance; she wanted sex and wanted it quickly. My hesitation was unwarranted because I had no way of knowing how fast any girl wanted to hook up. I then had one of the deepest “inner game” realizations so far my entire gaming career.

When I was dancing with a girl from then on, including to this day, I always think to myself,

“Samseau, you will never see this girl again. What are you going to do about it?

These girls would not be in my life for more than a night. There was no point to our meeting other than to try and have sex with them. We were only there for a good time, and unless the moment was seized upon nothing would happen. I repeat it to myself every time I’m with a girl, You will never see her again. It doesn’t matter if you get her number. You will never see her again. I became a man; because I understood that You will never see her again.

Any girl I met at night would only be with me for a timeless moment. Although she would be insignificant to the rest of my life, she was still a human being who had decided to share the moment with me. I knew she was fucked up from American culture; that she would make a terrible wife; than she would never amount to anything special in life. I knew that she was probably terribly flawed and had zero girlfriend potential.
But, for that timeless moment, she was holding on to me. Who cares what happened after that?

So the next week, with renewed vigor, I went out. Thursday night, I got into a girl’s home. Fucked it up, didn’t bang. Friday night, used the bathroom line to get into yet another girl’s apartment. Fucked it up again, didn’t bang. Saturday night, took a girl back to her house. Got her top off but didn’t bang. Got her number with the intention to call. She flaked on me all week but went out with me the following Thursday. Got her back to my place, but still wouldn’t bang. “Fucking bullshit,” I thought to myself.

But with so many pulls from the club, I knew I was getting close to victory. I could see my game incrementally improving. I could taste the tip of the pussy-gates that stood in my way; and once on the other side, I would have discovered the promised land of easy sex with beautiful girls. There was no going back now.

A trip to NYC began a hot streak that defined my summer. I picked up a very cute Princeton girl who had the whole geeky-librarian vibe going. Banged her in a high-rise overlooking Central Park. The most aesthetically pleasing fuck I’ve ever had in my life. Took her out the next day for a nice stroll through Brooklyn, including a walk across the Brooklyn Bridge. All while holding hands like a couple. I love sweet sensitive girls like that…

And upon arriving back in Boston Sunday night, I got a phone call from the girl who wouldn’t bang me just three days ago. “Hey Samseau, do you want to hang out?” Then I fucked a second girl that weekend. She would be my fuckbuddy for the next week and a half, but I enjoyed a new girl every weekend for the following month.

Five girls in six weeks. And countless others I had made to third base with but never banged. All between the ages of 22-28. This was more women than I had ever banged in my entire life from the age of 0-22. A three week dry spell followed by a notch every two and a half weeks characterized the rest of my fall, but the No-Dating Challenge had served its purpose.

Tired of Sex

The thing about having so much sex is that you get tired of it. Fucking new girls for over a month, I asked myself, “How do guys keep up with fucking 40+ women a year?” It’s not just a stamina issue, but also a mental issue. It becomes tiresome and boring to constantly look for new women, to push through shit-tests, to find out the same logistics, etc.

I just couldn’t keep it up. The inevitable dry spell that followed the hot streak came from being unable to find the motivation to go out and bang new girls. I was so satisfied that the hunger to get me laid was not there.

Sex? I was tired of sex. I wanted to do something else.

But of course, now, I think I could keep up a fuckathon much longer than six weeks. It takes practice but I’m sure I could do it now. The next fuckathon might only be for eight weeks, at most, but the next one might be for twelve weeks, etc. Like anything else, it takes practice.

I have a great appreciation and respect for players who can keep picking up new girls week after week now. The trick isn’t learning how to game women; it’s the training and discipline to keep up one’s efforts that makes maintaining a hot streak so difficult.

The Nature of Flaking

Of the girls I banged during the No-Dating Challenge, 40% were same night lays. Most of them wouldn’t put out on the first night, but I got far enough with them that on the next date I could bang them.

After plowing through enough girls I noticed a pattern. Girls would not flake if I made it to second base or beyond with them.

First base: Kissing
Second base: Boob play
Third base: Genital play
Home base: Fucking

If a girl would let me take her shirt off or feel under her shirt, the number I got from her would not flake. If she only kissed me, the number would flake around 75% of the time. And even getting her out on a date almost never resulted in sex.

I thought to myself, “Does pushing for sex mean girls will be less likely to flake?”

But, this fall, after summer’s experiences, I noticed that girls I could have pushed aggressively with but didn’t still did not flake on me. One of the hottest girls I’ve ever dated went like this:

I was dancing solo in a club. A circle had formed around me. She runs up to me and starts to dance with me. We dance very aggressively next to each other for some time. I take her outside. She talks to me. I never kiss her. She gives me her number. I go on a date with her later that week.

So now I wonder: is aggressively escalation the reason why girls do not flake, or are girls who are interested in seeing me again the ones that will let me escalate on them?

I think it is the latter, and figuring out which girls will not flake is becoming close to second nature to me now.

This means that a escalating towards sex has no bearing on how a girl feels towards you. Sex does nothing to make a girl like you. She likes you before she has sex with you, and she likes you after sex based on your behavior towards her. It’s game the whole way, and sex is ancillary for women.

This also means that while you do not need to push for sex to keep her interest in you high, one must keep in mind that a woman’s interest is fleeting and that if you don’t push for sex quickly you may miss your chance to get your dick wet.

Harems?

What’s the point of harems again? When you fully accept the concept of the abundance mentality, harems become a waste of time.

Why focus on keeping old girls when you can just get new girls and improve your game? And, for me, new girls are hotter than the old girls since my game is improving with each new girl.

Dancing and the Purpose of Night Game

Dancing still makes no sense to me. Why do girls like this shit so much? Combined with the no-dating challenge, dance floor game is almost too easy. I can’t wait till next summer.

But I think dancing was designed for night game, and night game is designed for hook-ups. I can't even imagine trying to date a girl I meet at night when hook-ups are the norm.

Dry Spells

I think 99% of men dread dry-spells. After the no-dating challenge, I don't fear them at all.

In fact, I like dry spells. Dry spells are the most exciting part of the game for me now. It's when I can overcome new challenges and discover new ways to play the game.

Dry spells, and not hot streaks, are the most memorable part of game. I understand now that sex becomes easier and easier to acquire as you improve at the game, so nothing is learned or gained until you hit another dry spell. When I hit a dry spell, I feel more alive than when I'm telling girls to come over my apartment.

It is absolutely true that the lure of sex is more fufilling than the sex itself.

Summer hook-ups vs. Winter Relationships

It’s scary how accurate Roosh’s observations concerning dating are so accurate. I don’t understand how this guy figures it out so well, but it keeps me coming back to his site and forums.

Summer time is when you do one-night stands and hook-ups. But now that winter is fast approaching, I’ve noticed that my favorite clubs have dried up in talent. The average age of girls in my favorite clubs has moved up from 25 to 30; none of the girls are willing to make out on the dance floor; girls are much more conscious of their friend’s opinions.

Roosh’s original comment of “things are a little different in the winter. Girls are going out with bushy vaginas and unshaved legs, not having washed in days. They are not prepared to receive […] penis, so one-night stands are triply hard during this season” was spot on. It matches what I’ve seen 100%. I would say things aren’t just a little different, but completely different.

One-night stands have become a distant memory here in New England. The winter makes girls want to nest, and nothing else matters to them. Sucks. Found an old article that seems to confirm our observations:

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In the new study, the scientists scrutinized birth records of 166 countries, representing tens of millions of births. Studying the United States and Europe and the other countries of the temperate zone in the Northern Hemisphere the researchers found there are two annual conception peaks, which continue today but were especially notable before the era of extensive industrialization.

One statistical spike occurs around the spring equinox, in March, resulting in a spate of births in late December or early January. The second arrives in autumn, around October or November, leading to a slight glut of babies arriving in mid-summer.

I’ve decided to stop going out at night. It’s become a waste of time. I’ll wait till the snow starts to melt before I go back out again.

As a result, I’m moving into Day Game and Online Game. I wonder how these will go? This also makes me curious about something else.


The Dating Challenge

From the no-dating challenge, I am now going to do the reverse.

Samseau’s Dating Challenge : No having sex with a girl you haven’t been on at least three dates with.

You might ask me why I would do such a retarded challenge. The reason is that some guys are in the game for sex. Some are it for power. Some are in it for money. All of those things I like as well. But the reason I’m in the game is for the knowledge.

I’ve heard there is an entirely separate way to play the game that involves taking it slow with girls in order to make them go crazy for you. Just the past week, I had an 18 year old girl in bed with me that has now come to an end. I’ve been thinking to myself: What if I had taken it slower with her? Would she still be sharing my bed with me? How cool would it be if I had an 18 year old fall in love with me? I could cheat on her at bars/clubs without her ever knowing. It would be great.

And this makes me wonder: is there another way to play the game? I’ve heard about Doc Love game, which involves playing up the “hard to get” angle so that girls always wonder what your motives are. One of my closest friends followed Doc Love and has been in an LTR for two years now. Another poster on this forum who goes by the name of Jack D. Serrano writes of the same thing. Even Roissy mentions that more dates mean longer relationships.

So I’m going to try the Dating Challenge to see how results differ from the No-Dating Challenge. Exploring the opposites should give me a clearer picture of what’s my optimal game, and understand how women work between the summer and winter seasons. I’ll stop doing the Dating Challenge come this March/April (I’ll quit it in March if the results are abysmal) and report back to the forum with more info. I also expect that Day Game and Online Game will be more conducive to slower game styles, whereas night game benefits from super aggressive play styles.

Till then - happy gaming.

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Reflections on the No Dating Challenge

This is pretty solid post that covers alot of different facets, but it sounds like you want to transition to LTR game.
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Reflections on the No Dating Challenge

Five stars.

When guys talk shit about clubs or say "club game is dead," I ask, "Do you dance?"

Nice work.
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Reflections on the No Dating Challenge

Repped. Awesome info Samseau
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Great post! I'm going to take the challenge next summer.

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she likes you after sex based on your behavior towards her. It’s game the whole way, and sex is ancillary for women

In my experience having sex with a girl makes her like you more. And the harder you push her boundaries, the more she likes you afterwards. Provided there's no buyer's remorse and comfort levels are high.

Correct me if I'm wrong - apart from knowledge it looks like you're in it for the power. Having a girl fall madly in love with you gives you a lot of power. Making a girl's sex experience more mind-blowing (by pushing her boundaries) is likely to give you even more power over her. She will fall for you harder.

"A flower can not remain in bloom for years, but a garden can be cultivated to bloom throughout seasons and years." - xsplat
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Brilliant work, my man!
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Quote: (11-23-2011 01:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

But, this fall, after summer’s experiences, I noticed that girls I could have pushed aggressively with but didn’t still did not flake on me. One of the hottest girls I’ve ever dated went like this:
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So now I wonder: is aggressively escalation the reason why girls do not flake, or are girls who are interested in seeing me again the ones that will let me escalate on them?

I think it is the latter, and figuring out which girls will not flake is becoming close to second nature to me now.

This means that a escalating towards sex has no bearing on how a girl feels towards you. Sex does nothing to make a girl like you. She likes you before she has sex with you, and she likes you after sex based on your behavior towards her. It’s game the whole way, and sex is ancillary for women.

This also means that while you do not need to push for sex to keep her interest in you high, one must keep in mind that a woman’s interest is fleeting and that if you don’t push for sex quickly you may miss your chance to get your dick wet.
i've noticed that too. and frankly it's quite common sense. look..

escalating fast is awesome AS LONG AS you know you can close the deal very soon. that's the condition. so leading/escalating, hugging, kissing passionately, playing with her tits makes her horny, that sexual tension between you is now released so you have to fuck her asap while she's still horny and boiling cause she will snap out of it soon.

if you go that hard and don't fuck there, then the next morning everything evaporates, she's in different emotional state, she feels validated and sees it as spontaneous over the top adventure, she thinks she's a bad girl now (yeah i know). she flakes cause she knows that you will probably start escalating hard asap just because you were all over her before. also, the the difference in energy levels between that crazy night and daytime date is so BIG that it feels almost awkward to meet and talk as she's totally different person now (sober/normal/considerate) and you're probably too. it's like slamming your car from 5th to first gear, while driving 100 down the freeway

not escalating pays off only when you can't bang the same day/night. that way you create the sexual tension by flirting, by standing very close almost kissing, by deep eye contact, by playful and light touching here and there etc. that gets her more crazy. she's getting turned on but can't release it. it stays within her. this allows you to meet her the other day because officially nothing big and sexual happened so the tension is eating her inside more or less. so she's invested somehow. she backwards rationalizes that because she feels butteflies then she must really really like you.

it's not a rule of course but i've experienced that escalating hard without closing the deal kind of disengage girls later.
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First, major respect for taking the challenge. It's definitely not easy.

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“How do guys keep up with fucking 40+ women a year?” It’s not just a stamina issue, but also a mental issue. It becomes tiresome and boring to constantly look for new women, to push through shit-tests, to find out the same logistics, etc.

Your hot streak was something new, but over time, as you gradually improve, you become more accustomed to a high frequency of women. In the past, I was content with one new bang a month. I'd fuck a girl and chill out for a couple weeks until trying again. Now, I chill four four days until wanting another girl. This is especially true when there are pretty girls in the city I'm in. (Relevant post: http://www.rooshv.com/the-rabid-wolf-mentality)

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The trick isn’t learning how to game women; it’s the training and discipline to keep up one’s efforts that makes maintaining a hot streak so difficult.

Yup. This is what Luckystar realized when he hung out with me in Poznan. It's dedication and respect to your goal.

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is aggressively escalation the reason why girls do not flake, or are girls who are interested in seeing me again the ones that will let me escalate on them?

Don't know if that's the sole reason, but I do believe you're not punished for escalating, which is why I wrote a post like this: http://www.rooshv.com/theres-no-punishme...ng-for-sex

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What’s the point of harems again? When you fully accept the concept of the abundance mentality, harems become a waste of time.

Bingo. You've never seen a harem post from me. Why? Because it's easier for me to go bang a new chick. One of the points of game is to experience variety, and with a harem you're not really doing that. It's like having multiple girlfriends (nothing wrong with that, but it's not what I want). You have to go CSI all the time, work on your lies, deal with their outbursts/tests, and so on. For me it's not so much about getting laid, it's about laying new.

Try a harder challenge next year. Go out solo without a cell phone. You'll get even more.
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Quote: (11-23-2011 01:47 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Samseau’s No-Dating Challenge : Do not accept a number unless you’ve already made it back to a sex location.

This means if I made it reasonably far within a seduction of a girl, I could take her number for a future date. The full challenge of sex or nothing was too much, and didn’t really seem to help me understand how to best fuck many girls.
props for competitive spirit, i'm all for challenges but i don't really see benefits long term. i thought about it and i find it very limiting actually.
- there's waaaay too much time spent on investing in one random girl (who may become innocent princess in bedroom)
- not getting other girls' numbers earlier in the interactions results in many missed opportunities (these girls may be available on other day/night)

IMO getting numbers/contact gives more options as we can bring them out later but maybe i'm missing something

as for flaking, it is totally expected as most people feel comfy where they are and too lazy to take control of their social life. flaking should not be a problem as girls are not the center of our lives at all. besides, it's no fun to meet some moody chick that need to be convinced or chased hard to come out.


Quote: (11-23-2011 07:13 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Try a harder challenge next year. Go out solo without a cell phone. You'll get even more.
hahahh that's great experiment. it's really funny what happens when girls who are into you can't 'catch' you with #s, facebook/twitter usernames etc. a couple of times i lied i didn't have phone with me, that i didn't remember my new number and that i wasn't on social media adress etc. i had this 'now or never' label on my forehead. girls started to get really creative, they started leading me here and there, taking me home for a second : )))
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Quote: (11-23-2011 03:45 PM)Caligula Wrote:  

Great post! I'm going to take the challenge next summer.

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she likes you after sex based on your behavior towards her. It’s game the whole way, and sex is ancillary for women

In my experience having sex with a girl makes her like you more. And the harder you push her boundaries, the more she likes you afterwards. Provided there's no buyer's remorse and comfort levels are high.

Kinda sorta but not really. I don't think it's the sex per se that gets her to like you. It's your behavior leading up to the sex and the behavior after the sex that makes her like you.

Here's an example.

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You've been banging a girl for two dates. You take her on a great date. She loves it. That's her interest in you rising.

You take her back to your apartment and have amazing sex. After sex, you stop cuddling after ten minutes to use the bathroom, and then hang out in your kitchen while she stays in your bed. The distance between you and herl increases and her interest in you falls. In spite of the great pounding you gave her, she'll still feel less interested in you after this night.

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In this example, sex has no meaning outside of the actions that preceeded and followed it. Sex by itself, even amazing sex, will not make a girl like you more/less. I've given plenty of orgasms to women only never to hear from them again. Sex has to be in context of your other actions towards her, which means sex isn't any more important than your looks, money, apartment, fashion, date locations, or dance moves. The thing which ties all elements of your behavior together is game, which means that game is still king.

If great sex was what attract women, then why can't you go up to a girl in a club and tell her that you'll be the best lay she's ever had, and you have video's of you fucking other women to prove it?

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Correct me if I'm wrong - apart from knowledge it looks like you're in it for the power. Having a girl fall madly in love with you gives you a lot of power. Making a girl's sex experience more mind-blowing (by pushing her boundaries) is likely to give you even more power over her. She will fall for you harder.

I'm not sure if I'm in it for the power. First I want the knowledge, then I'll see if I want to abuse the power.

Giving a girl some mind-blowing sex won't hurt you. But sex is more important for the man's interest-level than it is for the woman's. Great sex makes a man fall in love far more than it does for a woman.

A great date will take you so much further than great sex, everytime. I think the obsession with being good in bed is just male projection.

I believe Carlos Xuma's take on sex:

"Women have sex with the men they fall in love with, men fall in love with the women they have sex with."


XXL:

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escalating fast is awesome AS LONG AS you know you can close the deal very soon. that's the condition. so leading/escalating, hugging, kissing passionately, playing with her tits makes her horny, that sexual tension between you is now released so you have to fuck her asap while she's still horny and boiling cause she will snap out of it soon.

Yup, which is why I try not to escalate too much when I first meet a girl. Usually I keep the kino to the bare minimum until I've hit a sex location, then I go balls to the wall.

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props for competitive spirit, i'm all for challenges but i don't really see benefits long term. i thought about it and i find it very limiting actually.
- there's waaaay too much time spent on investing in one random girl (who may become innocent princess in bedroom)
- not getting other girls' numbers earlier in the interactions results in many missed opportunities (these girls may be available on other day/night)

I wondered about these issues when I first started the challenge.

But the reality is that trying to bang a girl on the first night you meet her takes less effort than trying to bang a girl for the third time you meet her.

And by pushing as hard as you can on every girl you are interested in, you increase the chances for sex by ten. With experience, I can now see that I've missed more opprotunities by not pushing hard than I did by going for a kiss in under 30 minutes.

Not getting numbers at night means more lays.

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Quote: (11-23-2011 07:13 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

First, major respect for taking the challenge. It's definitely not easy.

Well thank you sir. The irony is that, although the challenge was difficult to learn, not caring for numbers is now standard operating procedure.

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is aggressively escalation the reason why girls do not flake, or are girls who are interested in seeing me again the ones that will let me escalate on them?

Don't know if that's the sole reason, but I do believe you're not punished for escalating, which is why I wrote a post like this: http://www.rooshv.com/theres-no-punishme...ng-for-sex

It depends on what you mean by "punished". Pushing hard for sex increases the chances for sex, no doubt. But sometimes when I've banged girls they've had buyer's remorse afterwards, so in a way I am punished for having sex (but not for pushing for it).

Then there's the further issue if waiting for sex will increase the likihood of an LTR forming. If waiting for sex does in fact increase the chances of an LTR, then going for sex early will punish you if you want an LTR. This issue is unresolved for me, so I will tell you more after I complete the Dating Challenge.

But as far as acquring sex goes - if all one wants is sex, one must be pushing for it. Waiting with the intention to increase chances of scoring is newb.

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What’s the point of harems again? When you fully accept the concept of the abundance mentality, harems become a waste of time.

Bingo. You've never seen a harem post from me. Why? Because it's easier for me to go bang a new chick. One of the points of game is to experience variety, and with a harem you're not really doing that. It's like having multiple girlfriends (nothing wrong with that, but it's not what I want). You have to go CSI all the time, work on your lies, deal with their outbursts/tests, and so on. For me it's not so much about getting laid, it's about laying new.

I also found that after banging a girl for the first time, I generally did not look forward to banging them again. The first time with a girl was almost always the best sex. Banging a girl for the first time, I could nut 5-6 times in a night. Banging her for the second time, I'd be lucky to hit 4 nuts. By the third time, I couldn't hit three. The sex wasn't much better than masturbation.

Trying to maintain sexual access to girls I wasn't that interested in was both unfair to me and her, so harems are just one of those ideas that sound good in theory but do not work in practice.

Even on an intuitive level, harems now seem like a bad idea:

Is it better to have sex 40 times with 4 women,
or is it better to have sex 20 times with 20 women?

On one hand, you get half as much sex. But on the other hand, you get five times as many women.

Most guys equate sex with pleasure, and deduce that more sex means more pleasure. But this is false: such logic would dictate that marriage means more pleasure than the player lifestyle, which obviously cannot be true.

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Try a harder challenge next year. Go out solo without a cell phone. You'll get even more.

I'm not sure I understand the point of this challenge. Is it to not use my phone at all?

Couldn't girls still give me their number on a napkin, or text me their name from their phone?

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Quote: (11-26-2011 01:12 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

I'm not sure I understand the point of this challenge. Is it to not use my phone at all?

I read it as not using the phone at all.

Sacrificing the phone would give me no outs on an approach or banging. Either we escalate or I'm gone.

Hand-in-hand with that, I'm guessing it can provoke a now-or-never mentality from a woman. I've never tried this.
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Reflections on the No Dating Challenge

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This was the epiphany moment for me: all she wanted was a fuck. There was no point for romance; she wanted sex and wanted it quickly. My hesitation was unwarranted because I had no way of knowing how fast any girl wanted to hook up. I then had one of the deepest “inner game” realizations so far my entire gaming career.

When I was dancing with a girl from then on, including to this day, I always think to myself,

“Samseau, you will never see this girl again. What are you going to do about it?

These girls would not be in my life for more than a night. There was no point to our meeting other than to try and have sex with them. We were only there for a good time, and unless the moment was seized upon nothing would happen. I repeat it to myself every time I’m with a girl, You will never see her again. It doesn’t matter if you get her number. You will never see her again. I became a man; because I understood that You will never see her again.


BAM!

Sincronicity?

I’ve had the same epiphany recently: (some?) girls just want TO FUCK. They want COCK. This has been a hard one for me, and I’ve many times recently fucked up the way you did, by having a hard time understanding that a girl might not be interested in “meeting a guy”, “conversation”, “romance”, “charm”… and being taken off guard and wussed out when they suddenly just grab your cock out of the blue, without apparently much "seduction" involved in the process.

Nowadays, I maintain the posture and presupposition that a girl FIRST wants me for my cock/my body ALWAYS. Romance? Bonding? AFTER the first few fucks IF she is still around.

I still run game, establish connection etc etc but always with the undertone of “you just want to fuck me, don’t you?”.

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Roosh: Try a harder challenge next year. Go out solo without a cell phone. You'll get even more.

I was going to say this myself but Roosh nailed it first.

With some back story:

This weekend I went to a trip to a neighbouring Hawaiian island from the one I’ve been living, accompanied by a Danish friend. We were sharing stories about our frustrations with the local scene, as apparently there is a huge flake pandemic in this part of the world (all over the US? I can't tell...), where girls throw their phones at you for nothing and flake like I’ve never experienced before. Really, it is pathetic. Top notch game and top notch looks and still flakes.

My friend gave me this wonderful insight, which striked me as visionary. He told me: “dude, nowadays when I go out I don’t even have a phone with me”.

If you have the mentality that you only have this night and there is no tomorrow, you give out a different vibe, and you see yourself doing things you wouldn't imagine doing before.

It is as if you know that your time is limited, you have nothing to lose, you just stop giving a fuck deeply and act on creative ways for your goal.

On this very trip, with that very recent mentality, I was out there in the trenches, milking every interaction, till the last drop.

I did something I've never done before: nailed a whore in her car on the parking lot.

Playing it "safe" by getting numbers haven't got me so far.

This mentality is very very new to me, but I can already tell a difference.

The no cell challenge, anyone?
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Reflections on the No Dating Challenge

Update:

I should have included this with the original post, but here's the story of when I picked up the Princeton chick.


And here's a 5 min lay.

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Awesome post, best part about it is the realization that one needs to always be improving game. Yes, most of us are in this for sex but some do it for other reasons, game is a skill that needs to be practiced and improved. You're not going to get anywhere if you stick to just the basics. Tailor game to yourself, your strengths and always find out new was to push your limits and constantly innovate.

+1 mad respect.
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I think game begins with recognizing the reality of the situation. When I'm out, I can usually tell which girls are there to get fucked, so I focus on them.

In fact, I never considered getting phone #s until I started reading about game.

For me, the winter is when girls are more likely to spread in general (dates, snls, whatever).

If you game a girl well, she'll think you're a rockstar and it won't matter to her if you have sex or not.
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Reflections on the No Dating Challenge

For someone who has a ton of first date sex, I don't get what the easy replacement is for inviting a girl out for drinks after you first met her/kissed her/got her number.
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Reflections on the No Dating Challenge

This is 90's game in a way. For me at least.

Since no one had cell phones I never went for numbers, just the lay. Worked pretty well in bars and clubs.

I've long felt that cell phones have made guys lazy in their game as it's a lot easier to get her number than to just take her home and fuck her.

Why get her number when the lay is there for the taking? Fear of rejection? I dunno. Just never made much sense to me.

Saying that, I did fall into the number trap for a while and I regret ever doing it as my success rate fell off a cliff. Now I only get numbers from online broads for the most part.

Good post Samseau even if it is from last year. Don't recall seeing it before.
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Reflections on the No Dating Challenge

You have no idea how I loved reading this, this is pure brilliance.

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Makes me think about so many things, and worry less about so many others. This has changed my point of view towards Game, makes me want to try new things, to experiment without fear of "losing" 'what if...'s.
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"It is absolutely true that the lure of sex is more fulfilling than the sex itself."

I am a little different I think. I look at things the the same way I look at my company. I am a big fan of specialization. I want women that are very good at something: a specialist. So for sex, I want a woman that is really passionate about sex. For going out I want a woman I like hanging out with and can have a good time with. I have found I generally need about 3-4 different women to effectively fulfill my needs. And yes, I develop LTR with these women. Also, I don't really care about sex that much. I am much more interested in getting a woman to fall in love with me. The way a woman treats you when she is in love with you is very different than when she is not and the sex is better. It is not easy finding all of these different women at the same time. Usually there is one or two that I don't have when I have the others. It would be nice to find them all in one woman but that's like winning the lottery.
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Reflections on the No Dating Challenge

Since I love your posts on Dance game, I have to say this thread helps a lot. Adding little game challenges while going out will make things run a lot better.

Bitches just love a guy who can get them wet on the dance floor. The only problem now is just the cockblockers. But other than that, I will say my dance game has improved because of you.

As for the No cell phone while going out challenge?

I'm down.

Nope.
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Reflections on the No Dating Challenge

No cell challenge, yes please.

Going for anonymous sex. I think I'll use a fake name too like Roosh did.
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Reflections on the No Dating Challenge

Chicks like dancing because if they find a man who is very good at dancing, it scratches that little area in their hindbrain that says "This guy is unbelievably good at fucking".


Quote: (09-15-2012 09:25 PM)Ramon Zarate Wrote:  

No cell challenge, yes please.

Going for anonymous sex. I think I'll use a fake name too like Roosh did.

I tried that for a few weeks. It's still outside of my league.
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