[Jackhammer]

I got into a discussion with my friend about marriage. I explained to her how I really don't see any need to get married, as I basically lose no matter what. She argued the perpetual argument girls love to use "But who will take care of you when you're old blah blah blah?" Why do I need taking care of when I'm old?

It got me thinking about what we'd need to change about marriage, and obviously divorce laws, in order for men to want to get married again.

If you were a legislator, and were trying to pass a bill for marriage/divorce reform, what would you change?

[gringoed]

Good question. I think the main problems are regarding the kids and financial questions in case of divorce.

[Vicious]

I'm addressing the question posed in the subject line rather than in the OP because I'm not really into games of what-if.

Change citizenship or get a prenup. Those are your best, most realistic options. I would never get married under current US marital laws (funny enough I wrote martial laws first and felt it oddly fitting).

[Smoker]

I don't think the problem with marriage these days is just the law. It has something to do with it, sure. Getting taken to the cleaners on the wife's whim is not right and needs to be changed, but the bigger problem, I think, is that women have all of the support emotionally and socially. My ex put me through hell, to the point where I questioned my own sanity sometimes. When I would tell people, even my own friends, about what was happening at home, some of the shit she was pulling, their first questions were always, "what did you do before that?" My answer was more often than not, "nothing." But they simply could not accept that she would fly off the handle like that for no reason. The continued to try to dig and dig in an attempt to find something *I* did to cause her behavior. The idea that she could solely be responsible for her own behavior was simply unacceptable.

Women will lie, not bias, LIE, to get sympathy, and other will believe them without question.

I have a married friend who is always too busy to hang out. Then he occasionally calls me on a Sunday afternoon and says, "the wife went out with her friends so I can hang". Why is it that he can't schedule time with me, but she can just up and go out leaving him alone anytime she feels like it? If a guy doesn't feel like cooking, he's a chauvinist. If she doesn't want to cook, she's liberated. A woman who KNOWS that a guy won't hit back will not hesitate to kick a guy in the balls. Even if he did consider striking her, it wouldn't matter for what reason, there would be other guys white knighting and lining up to beat the shit out of him. You can't even pin a hysterical woman down without being seen as an abuser. Her? She is free to throw shit, break shit, do whatever the hell she damn near pleases. If a guy broke a glass out of anger, her friends would tell her she needs to escape from her "violent" husband. If she does, she's just having a tantrum. Anything short of her actually cutting your dick off is nothing to worry about and if you do, you're a pussy.

I think the only way to have a happy marriage is for the woman to be submissive because if she's not, you do not have the law, nor society, on your side to take the power in the relationship.

Which sucks, because I don't particularly like submissive women. Wish I could find the right balance between submissive and bitch, but that's really tough to find out there.

[Smoker]

(11-23-2011 08:29 AM)Vicious Wrote:  

I'm addressing the question posed in the subject line rather than in the OP because I'm not really into games of what-if.

Change citizenship or get a prenup. Those are your best, most realistic options. I would never get married under current US marital laws (funny enough I wrote martial laws first and felt it oddly fitting).

I actually read it as "martial law" on my first pass through! LOL

[MiXX]

(11-23-2011 08:42 AM)Smoker Wrote:  

Anything short of her actually cutting your dick off is nothing to worry about

Even when a woman cuts a man's dick off, it is applauded and she does not do any hard-time in prison for it.

Lorena Bobbit was eventually found not guilty of assault...women can get away with murder and even killing their own kid in America: Casey Anthony/Caylee.

With those odds stacked against men, why in the world would I intentionally put a gun to my face and get married (In America).

Mixx

[el mechanico]

(11-23-2011 10:22 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

(11-23-2011 08:42 AM)Smoker Wrote:  

Anything short of her actually cutting your dick off is nothing to worry about

Even when a woman cuts a mans dick-off, it is applauded and she does not do any hard-time in prison for it.

Lorena Bobbit was eventually found not guilty of assault...women can get away with murder and even killing their own kid in America: Casey Anthony/Caylee.

With those odds stacked against men, why in the world would I intentionally put a gun to my face and get married (In America).

Mixx

It's true. The only advantage a man has is not to get married.

We got them on that. Lets keep the house edge.

What is marriage? I could understand it from the old world perspective which is the church and family going apeshit on your ass if you are living with a man without it. But here and now? What girl wouldn't live in sin here? Show me one. Who the fuck would want one living at their pad anyway?

The other day I bought some country ribs and wanted to fry them up with some jerk sauce. I wasn't sure about how to fry the ribs so I looked in my phone roll and thought to call someone who would know. Guess what? Every female number got passed over except my mother.

Back to the old world.....Short story about my uncles divorce in Greece......

He was a merchant marine and suspected his wife was cheating. So he said he was going on the boats and went to his friends house instead.
He followed his wife to some dudes house and went to the constable who called the priest. They went and found his wife and not only arrested her the priest divorced them on the spot.

How you like that American ladies?

[MiXX]

elmechanino Wrote:

a merchant marine a suspected his wife was cheating

You know, I bet if a man were to cut off a woman's clit for cheating on him, he'd be castrated, sodomized and tarred and feathered without even making it to trial!

Mixx

[el mechanico]

(11-23-2011 10:45 AM)MiXX Wrote:  

elmechanino Wrote:

a merchant marine a suspected his wife was cheating

You know, I bet if a man were to cut off a woman's clit for cheating on him, he'd be castrated, sodomized and tarred and feathered without even making it to trial!

Mixx

Ohh boy! Women love to use their 911 superpowers!!!!!Here come the white knights (cops) If she's hot? Look the fuck out. They will take your ass to jail and fight over which one is going to "follow up" with her.

Do you guys have any idea how many times women have tried to get me arrested? Young guys? Take a wild guess.

Do you know how many ex's I've had that have thrown ass at cops to harrass me?

Listen to MIXX! Adapt your thoughts and lifestyle. You don't want to work 20 years to end up homeless.

[ccurtis189]

I would change marriage so that divorce doesn't split assets gained during marriage. What you make during marriage you keep.

[Smoker]

I don't want to hijack the thread or anything, but speaking of marriage, I'm not sure that, even in its classic sense, it's all that great.

I mean, do you really want to be banging just one pussy for the rest of your life anyway? No matter how hot she is now at 25, the odds aren't good for 10 years down the road. Not only will she be very high-maintenance in an effort to keep herself looking great (you need money for the clothes, the spa treatments, the makeup, etc.), but she'll also have to have genetics on her side for her to be over 35 and still get you hard. I don't think I see more than 0.1% of women who are 35 or above that actually excite me all that much (though I'd be willing enough for what, 2%?) Imagine that 35-yr-old being one that you've been plowing for 10 years +. And you better marry that 25-yr-old when you're 40 or more because even when you're 50, 10 years down the road, you'll still be able to pull younger and better than your wife will be then if you keep in good shape and dress with style. Multiply by 10 if you have loads of money.

And what, honestly, does marriage get you, even with a 'good' girl that stays at home?

A mother? Don't know about you guys, but I'm not all that bent on having kids. For me, kids is a compromise that I am (was?) willing to make for the woman of my dreams. I don't particularly want them, but knowing that 99.99% of women do, I accepted the fact that I'd have to have them one day if I found a woman that I wanted to spend the rest of my life with.

Alright, I don't need a nanny cuz I don't need kids.

Now what do we have left? A maid.

For the most part, I manage to keep my place pretty clean. If I had loads of cash, I'd hire a maid. $100 a week.

Now we've taken care of the nanny and maid part of wifedom. What's left? Sex. Hmmm... You can get that by dating, rinse, repeat.

Seriously, what do you want from marriage? If it's hot sex, you can get better by dating - either serial monogamy or polygamy, your choice. You can hire a maid for $400/month. You can pay the dry cleaners for your clothes. That's much cheaper than the upkeep on a woman.

Unless you really, really want kids, I just don't see the point.

Unless.... you're like 55 or 60 and just can't pull anything decent anymore. Then, get married so that you have someone to wipe your ass for you 10 years later or change your Depends.

And here's some advice some of you are going to scoff at... If you want kids and the picket fence and all that, marry a chick who's average at best. Even a little on the ugly side wouldn't hurt. A nice girl. She won't get a new offer for dick every 10 minutes and won't act like it. She'll appreciate the little things you do for her a lot more than some entitled bitch who knows she can find a reasonable replacement in a heartbeat. Talk about 'game' all you want, but you're gonna get sick of pulling that shit on your quickly-depreciating-but-used-to-be-hot wife eventually. You WILL turn into a regular guy because you'll think you don't have to try so much anymore. And even if your game stays tight, even then there's the fact that different in and of itself is enticing so even a guy who is inferior to you can seem much more attractive if only because she's gotten used to you.

If you've ever dated a really hot girl, you'll know what I mean. At first, you're pretty excited that this goddess is even paying attention to you. She seems hot as balls and gets you hard in a flash. Six months later, you see the cellulite, the uneven tits, the flab under her arms, the wrinkles that no one else sees cuz she only gets this close to you. You know her pussy could be tighter and that she could lose another 5lbs to be perfect. But then you see another girl at the bookstore. You aren't close enough to her to see all the little flaws so you get turned on and you think she's hotter than what you got now. She's not necessarily, but the 'blurred' vision makes it seem so. The one your with still looks like an 8 to other guys, but to you she's become a 6.5. You think this doesn't happen with women too? Sure it does. Because when you look at someone else, not only are you not able to see the flaws immediately, but you imagine everything to be perfect. You imagine her naked, not with lopsided tits, but with perfectly symmetrical tits. A tight pussy. Armpits that never get stinky. You imagine the perfect blowjob, not a girl who can't seem to get her teeth out of the way.

So eventually, no matter how good your game is to attract, your game will almost never been good enough 20 years down the road with the same girl.

Get a girl you don't need to game. A girl who knows you're above her and that she's lucky to have you. Because in the end, you are not getting married for the pussy. You're getting married for someone to wash your clothes, clean your house, cook for you and raise your kids. And there is nothing better than a girl who is below you to make all the effort in the world at those things in order to keep you around.

If you marry, marry a little lower than yourself.

[ccurtis189]

(11-23-2011 01:02 PM)Smoker Wrote:  

I don't want to hijack the thread or anything, but speaking of marriage, I'm not sure that, even in its classic sense, it's all that great.

I mean, do you really want to be banging just one pussy for the rest of your life anyway? No matter how hot she is now at 25, the odds aren't good for 10 years down the road. Not only will she be very high-maintenance in an effort to keep herself looking great (you need money for the clothes, the spa treatments, the makeup, etc.), but she'll also have to have genetics on her side for her to be over 35 and still get you hard. I don't think I see more than 0.1% of women who are 35 or above that actually excite me all that much (though I'd be willing enough for what, 2%?) Imagine that 35-yr-old being one that you've been plowing for 10 years +. And you better marry that 25-yr-old when you're 40 or more because even when you're 50, 10 years down the road, you'll still be able to pull younger and better than your wife will be then if you keep in good shape and dress with style. Multiply by 10 if you have loads of money.

And what, honestly, does marriage get you, even with a 'good' girl that stays at home?

A mother? Don't know about you guys, but I'm not all that bent on having kids. For me, kids is a compromise that I am (was?) willing to make for the woman of my dreams. I don't particularly want them, but knowing that 99.99% of women do, I accepted the fact that I'd have to have them one day if I found a woman that I wanted to spend the rest of my life with.

Alright, I don't need a nanny cuz I don't need kids.

Now what do we have left? A maid.

For the most part, I manage to keep my place pretty clean. If I had loads of cash, I'd hire a maid. $100 a week.

Now we've taken care of the nanny and maid part of wifedom. What's left? Sex. Hmmm... You can get that by dating, rinse, repeat.

Seriously, what do you want from marriage? If it's hot sex, you can get better by dating - either serial monogamy or polygamy, your choice. You can hire a maid for $400/month. You can pay the dry cleaners for your clothes. That's much cheaper than the upkeep on a woman.

Unless you really, really want kids, I just don't see the point.

Unless.... you're like 55 or 60 and just can't pull anything decent anymore. Then, get married so that you have someone to wipe your ass for you 10 years later or change your Depends.

And here's some advice some of you are going to scoff at... If you want kids and the picket fence and all that, marry a chick who's average at best. Even a little on the ugly side wouldn't hurt. A nice girl. She won't get a new offer for dick every 10 minutes and won't act like it. She'll appreciate the little things you do for her a lot more than some entitled bitch who knows she can find a reasonable replacement in a heartbeat. Talk about 'game' all you want, but you're gonna get sick of pulling that shit on your quickly-depreciating-but-used-to-be-hot wife eventually. You WILL turn into a regular guy because you'll think you don't have to try so much anymore. And even if your game stays tight, even then there's the fact that different in and of itself is enticing so even a guy who is inferior to you can seem much more attractive if only because she's gotten used to you.

If you've ever dated a really hot girl, you'll know what I mean. At first, you're pretty excited that this goddess is even paying attention to you. She seems hot as balls and gets you hard in a flash. Six months later, you see the cellulite, the uneven tits, the flab under her arms, the wrinkles that no one else sees cuz she only gets this close to you. You know her pussy could be tighter and that she could lose another 5lbs to be perfect. But then you see another girl at the bookstore. You aren't close enough to her to see all the little flaws so you get turned on and you think she's hotter than what you got now. She's not necessarily, but the 'blurred' vision makes it seem so. The one your with still looks like an 8 to other guys, but to you she's become a 6.5. You think this doesn't happen with women too? Sure it does. Because when you look at someone else, not only are you not able to see the flaws immediately, but you imagine everything to be perfect. You imagine her naked, not with lopsided tits, but with perfectly symmetrical tits. A tight pussy. Armpits that never get stinky. You imagine the perfect blowjob, not a girl who can't seem to get her teeth out of the way.

So eventually, no matter how good your game is to attract, your game will almost never been good enough 20 years down the road with the same girl.

Get a girl you don't need to game. A girl who knows you're above her and that she's lucky to have you. Because in the end, you are not getting married for the pussy. You're getting married for someone to wash your clothes, clean your house, cook for you and raise your kids. And there is nothing better than a girl who is below you to make all the effort in the world at those things in order to keep you around.

If you marry, marry a little lower than yourself.

I just want the serial monogamy. Having variety sounds great, until you realize that you're gonna have to wear condoms lest you want to catch a disease. I don't want to wear condoms. I just want one girl who's crazy for me who will let me fulfill all my sexual desires.