[RaulValdez739]

What's your favorite team? Any Superbowl predictions? What do you think of Tim Tebow and his 4-1 record at Starting QB?

[Luvianka]

Dallas Cowboys.
Super Bowl XLVI. Green Bay 34-Houston 17.
The guy's been lucky. Any QB does better than Kyle Orton. Do you know why Kyle Orton has never been a great QB? Check out by yourself: http://goo.gl/rdmLE.

[rudebwoy]

Long suffering charger fan.

Teebow is very unorthodox but is a winner, so it will be interesting to see how he does.

Green Bay looks unstoppable, would not be surprised if the Steelers make it back to the Bowl.

[DonovanVC]

Raiders fan. I'm excited about this year and think we will take the afc west. Since I went to SC, its even better that Palmer is the QB.

Superbowl? Greenbay over Pittsburgh (again), 28-21.

[Timoteo]

I think it's a nice story what Tim Tebow is doing in Denver. You can win some games with that gimmick offense they're running, but you can't win a championship that way. Great defenses can stop it. When Michael Vick was in Atlanta they won some games too (and Vick is a far better/faster runner AND thrower than Tebow). You shadow a running QB with a linebacker and contain him - stay in your lanes and try to force him to throw, which he doesn't want to do.

It's interesting what's happened in Denver over the past couple of years. They hire Josh McDaniels, who stupidly drafts a project QB in the first round, when they had greater needs. They strip the roster of most of it's offensive talent (let Jay Cutler whine his way out of Denver for Kyle Orton, trade Brandon Marshall, Peyton Hillis, Brandon Lloyd most recently), and put Tebow out there without much around him. Then they fire McDaniels, after they let him strip the roster, then force a new coaching staff to have to reconstruct an offense around a guy they didn't draft, and don't want. Fox put Tebow out there against Detroit and tried to have him run a prototypical NFL offense, and they got blown out. If he wants to keep his job, he has to win games, so he's forced to revamp the offense to suit Tebow's skills (he's essentially a fullback that can throw a little). I don't see how they can stick with this - other teams will figure all of this out. They have Brady Quinn still on the roster, and coming out of camp he was the #2, but somehow he lost his job in practice to Tebow? Basically, politics dictated that they HAD to put Tebow in there because they blew a first round pick on him.

[Pusscrook]

(11-20-2011 06:37 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

I think it's a nice story what Tim Tebow is doing in Denver. You can win some games with that gimmick offense they're running, but you can't win a championship that way. Great defenses can stop it. When Michael Vick was in Atlanta they won some games too (and Vick is a far better/faster runner AND thrower than Tebow). You shadow a running QB with a linebacker and contain him - stay in your lanes and try to force him to throw, which he doesn't want to do.

Thank God religion, and 3 passes per game, don't qualify you for the MVP of the league.

[Luvianka]

(11-20-2011 06:37 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

I think it's a nice story what Tim Tebow is doing in Denver. You can win some games with that gimmick offense they're running, but you can't win a championship that way. Great defenses can stop it. When Michael Vick was in Atlanta they won some games too (and Vick is a far better/faster runner AND thrower than Tebow). You shadow a running QB with a linebacker and contain him - stay in your lanes and try to force him to throw, which he doesn't want to do.

It's interesting what's happened in Denver over the past couple of years. They hire Josh McDaniels, who stupidly drafts a project QB in the first round, when they had greater needs. They strip the roster of most of it's offensive talent (let Jay Cutler whine his way out of Denver for Kyle Orton, trade Brandon Marshall, Peyton Hillis, Brandon Lloyd most recently), and put Tebow out there without much around him. Then they fire McDaniels, after they let him strip the roster, then force a new coaching staff to have to reconstruct an offense around a guy they didn't draft, and don't want. Fox put Tebow out there against Detroit and tried to have him run a prototypical NFL offense, and they got blown out. If he wants to keep his job, he has to win games, so he's forced to revamp the offense to suit Tebow's skills (he's essentially a fullback that can throw a little). I don't see how they can stick with this - other teams will figure all of this out. They have Brady Quinn still on the roster, and coming out of camp he was the #2, but somehow he lost his job in practice to Tebow? Basically, politics dictated that they HAD to put Tebow in there because they blew a first round pick on him.

Tim Tebow will follow the fate of such QBs like Kordell Stewart, Vince Young, Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper and Donovan McNabb. Whether you play QB in an Orthodox way or you may end your career prematurely. NFL is not college football. So, Tebow will have to become a pocket guy as soon as possible or perform poorer and poorer every week. The guy is talented, no doubt about it! However, he’s faced poor teams up to now, and he hasn’t scored that much. Even more, his ranting is very, very low. Why all the hype about him? I bet the Chargers would take Denver easily on Sunday in a blowout. San Diego is going to play six Super Bowls from here up to January, and Phillip Rivers has already done enough mistakes. My bet: San Diego: 34 – Denver 13.
As for Payton Hillis, Denver let him go because they got fed up of his bad attitude. Last year he was brilliant at Cleveland. This year they have already got enough of him and are going to trade him in March. I heard Tiki Barber is trying to come to play back, he needs a lot of money badly after his divorce.

[Luckystar]

New York Giants Fan.

Super Bowl:

Pittsburgh 27 Green Bay 24

[Timoteo]

"Tim Tebow will follow the fate of such QBs like Kordell Stewart, Vince Young, Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper and Donovan McNabb."

I'm going to disagree slightly with you here. I think people lump "running" QBs in with "mobile" or "scrambling" QBs. Stewart, Vick and Tebow were definitely runners, while the others you named were mobile or scramblers, but were looking to make plays with their arms more than their legs. Cunningham, Culpepper and McNabb have all thrown for over 3,000 yards more than once. They're primarily passers that can make plays with their legs if need be and get you yards. Early in his career with the Eagles, Cunningham was inclined to run more, but you had to respect his arm. Later, with the Vikes, he was pure passer. Young is an inconsistent passer, but still tries to pass primarily. Vick stays in the pocket more now than with the Falcons, but is still more runner than passer. Vick has also always had an incredible arm, while Tebow can barely throw at all.

[Timoteo]

I think the hype with Tebow is that he's a clean-cut, model citizen type, and the league is always looking for guys like that to promote. People WANT to see him do well, despite certain limitations, and will defend him to the death. I've always found the deification of people to be dangerous, especially the way Tebow was worshipped down at Florida, and now here in Denver. It's hard to live up to that with all the talent in the world, let alone someone they have to go through so much to accomodate and put in a position to be successful. It's natural to want to see "good guys" do well, but it should come at the cost of your ultimate goal...winning Super Bowls. It will be real tough to do that with a guy that has his limitations, with little hope of him improving some of those weaknesses over the short-term. He kind of is what he is, so Denver has a real decision to make soon.

[Pusscrook]

(11-22-2011 02:20 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

New York Giants Fan.

Super Bowl:

Pittsburgh 27 Green Bay 24

No way! Pitts too banged up . AFC championship -Ravens vs. Patriots. Flacco is easily rattled in the pocket . Were ii not for that Ravens defense, which drives that team, they would be in the cellar.

NFC Championship Packers -Saints...although San Fran's defense has been unbelievable this year,I just don't see the offense providing enough fire power to compete with the Packers. Funny how that worked out after firing Mike from the niners.

Patriots vs Packers>>> Superbowl... Packers repeat.

[Luvianka]

(11-22-2011 02:33 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

"Tim Tebow will follow the fate of such QBs like Kordell Stewart, Vince Young, Michael Vick, Randall Cunningham, Daunte Culpepper and Donovan McNabb."

I'm going to disagree slightly with you here. I think people lump "running" QBs in with "mobile" or "scrambling" QBs. Stewart, Vick and Tebow were definitely runners, while the others you named were mobile or scramblers, but were looking to make plays with their arms more than their legs. Cunningham, Culpepper and McNabb have all thrown for over 3,000 yards more than once. They're primarily passers that can make plays with their legs if need be and get you yards. Early in his career with the Eagles, Cunningham was inclined to run more, but you had to respect his arm. Later, with the Vikes, he was pure passer. Young is an inconsistent passer, but still tries to pass primarily. Vick stays in the pocket more now than with the Falcons, but is still more runner than passer. Vick has also always had an incredible arm, while Tebow can barely throw at all.

Yes, you're right! People want him to succeed no matter what. I guess he’s proven so far that he deserves to be the starting QB. I would be very surprised if he’s not the Broncos starting QB next year. I hope he will be and I wish the best for him. However, he needs a very different playbook and he needs John Fox to discipline him. Another RB would not hurt him. Felix Jones days are numbered in Dallas, so I guess it’s a good option. What I don’t really like in Denver is John Elway as an executive. I guess both Elway and Fox are in collision course sooner than later and Tebow will be in the middle of them.
As for the good guys, how much I missed the bad guys. Where are the Stablers, the McMahons, the Lamberts, the ‘Too Tall’ Jones? The NFL is doing really good giving an emasculated image of a very virile game.

[Timoteo]

Actually, I think Fox and Elway are on the same page. Remember, Elway was brought in, and he in part hired Fox. Neither of them wanted to be stuck with Tim Tebow, who the previous coach drafted, only to see himself fired. They made a certain financial investment in Tebow, so they were obligated to play him since they blew a first round pick on him. Let him go out there and see what you can do with him, and then maybe trade him or change his position. Elway and Fox were in a difficult position - they would rather play Orton, but because of politics and draft position, they HAD to look for an excuse to bench Orton. As soon as Orton struggled, they had to pull the trigger. Coming out of camp, Brady Quinn was the #2, but somehow he got leapfrogged. Again, Quinn probably should have gotten the nod (at least he's more of a prototypical QB that can run a standard offense), but there's pressure to make a decision on Tebow. They had the regular offense installed for the Detroit game, and they got blown out. We know Tebow can't run that offense. So if they're going to play him, and coaches ALWAYS have pressure to win, regardless of circumstance, they had to put in an offense to utilize what he does best. Deep down, I know they're hoping Tebow fails, so they can tell the fans, "we tried," and send Tim on his way. But he keeps fucking things up by winning games, however ugly...HA HA!

[tenderman100]

Tebow will only have success in the NFL if the team he is on (1) has a great defense and can keep the score low and (2) a outstanding run blocking offensive line. However, to be a complete team in the NFL you have to be able to come back from a 17 or 20 point deficit to win. When you have Peyton Manning, or Drew Brees, or Tom Brady, or Aaron Rogers, or Philip Rivers (at least last year's Philip Rivers), you can do that. Tim Tebow today, and likely the Tim Tebow in the future, will not be able to do that. These top quarterbacks can throw darts through narrow windows to reach receivers on the run. Tebow can't even hit a guy open in the flat.

[RaulValdez739]

New York Giants

Packers-Patriots..

Tim Tebow is successful now but his offense style of play will not win a Superbowl for any team. I respect his passion and it translates to his wins. He shouldn't be compared to Vick or some of the other runnin QBs. Its no comparison, Tebow cant throw for shit...he has not been over the 50% completion mark yet.

[Luvianka]

(11-19-2011 06:44 PM)RaulValdez739 Wrote:  

What's your favorite team? Any Superbowl predictions? What do you think of Tim Tebow and his 4-1 record at Starting QB?

Here come the Pats. I guess we'll know by Sunday evening how real Tebow time is.

[wi30]

Go Pack Go!

Born and raised Cheese-head.

[big poppa]

San Diego fan... Very frustrating team, but I believe we are a decent coach away from a superbowl.. Philip Rivers will get one before he retires, I have no doubt.

As for Tebow, I love seeing what he is doing.. I wouldn't call myself religious but I'm a big believer in God and it's almost like Tebow is just finding something within himself that allows him to keep winning football games.. Just this self belief because of his religion. I hate that it is probably going to cost the Chargers a playoff spot - I wish he played for another team so I could support him more. He really pissed me off by beating the Bears.

Superbowl - I think there are 3 teams in the AFC that could feature: Pats, Ravens and Steelers.
NFC I would narrow it down to 3 teams as well.. You think the Packers are a shoe-in, but on their day the Saints could knock them off, they came close in week 1 and Brees is a great quarterback. The 49ers could get an upset aswell.

I'll go for an outside bet - Saints vs Ravens superbowl.

[Luckystar]

(11-22-2011 02:20 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

New York Giants Fan.

Super Bowl:

Pittsburgh 27 Green Bay 24

Go Giants.

[wi30]

That Packer game was terrible. Ruined my week.

I want to see a rematch against the Harbaugh brothers with San Francisco and Baltimore in the Super Bowl.

[CtrlAltElite]

Philadelphia Eagles fan here. Fly Eagles Fly.

Patriots vs Giants rematch, only this time the Pats win.

[Luckystar]

(01-20-2012 08:22 PM)CtrlAltElite Wrote:  

Patriots vs Giants rematch, only this time the Pats win.

I would love this match up. A 'nothing to lose everything to gain' game for the Giants. Looking forward to owning the Pussies.

[Hencredible Casanova]

This dumbass Vince Young filed for Ch. 11. Blew $26 million.

Quote:

Just seven years after signing a mega-$26 million contract with the NFL’s Tennessee Titans, former star quarterback Vince Young (pictured) has reportedly filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, according to the Houston Chronicle.

Vince Young’s name was on the tip of every sports analyst and player’s tongue, when he received one of the largest rookie contracts ever after being drafted by the Titans back in 2006.

Young, 30, also won the “Rookie of the Year” title as well when he signed on with the NFL team.

Young’s spending habits became reckless, though, with monthly spending sometimes as high as $200,000.
According to his former financial adviser, Ronnie Peoples, who spoke to NFL.com, Young spent money faster than he made it, “It’s almost like I can have a $30,000 budget that I know we had to pay here, but then, you know, I get an invoice for a Ferrari that he just bought for $176,000, and they want their money.”

Peoples, who is president and CEO of Peoples Financial Service Inc. in Raleigh, N.C., testified under oath at a deposition hearing that he arranged a high-interest, seven-figure loan for Young during the 2011 lockout because the player wanted to throw himself a $300,000 birthday party even though he was running low on funds.
Young, who has four children with four different women, has been immersed in lawsuits that stem from a $1.8 million loan that was taken out in his name during the 2011 owners’ lockout of players. A judgment in favor of the company that made the loan has grown to $2.5 million.

Young sued a group that includes his former financial adviser and ex-agent, claiming fraud and accusing them of swindling him out of $5 million. He has also denied receiving any monies from the loan. Although a settlement reportedly has been reached in the second case, nothing has been finalized.

Reportedly Young’s bankruptcy petition shows that he and his wife, Candice Johnson, have estimated assets between $500,001 and $1 million and liabilities from $1 million to $10 million.
Young, who lives in a palatial spread that could be seized to pay his debts, has had his fair share of problems over the years since he signed with the Titans. In 2008, Young suddenly went AWOL, refusing to use his cell phone, after being booed during a home game.

Friends and family summoned police to help find Young, and even though he was discovered a few hours later, his mental health was questioned and his disappearance was highly publicized.
After his contract expired in 2010 with the Titans, it was not renewed and his career at that point spiraled downward. He went from a starter to bench warmer with the Philadelphia Eagles for a year. He then did a year’s stint with the Buffalo Bills and Green Bay Packers but failed to make either squad.

Young has not been with the NFL since 2011.