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sometimes people make mistakes, even the messiah himself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
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Quote: (11-13-2011 10:33 PM)Brian Wrote:  

sometimes people make mistakes, even the messiah himself

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws

This is the problem conservatives have right now: their politicians are just far more prone to making bigger and more notable gaffes, and they refuse to acknowledge it.

Obama said he visited 57 states (he actually meant 47). This is a minor slip of speech, akin to a typo, which is why nobody is making a big deal out of it. We all know he knows how many states he really visited. This is a Freudian slip.

Perry did not make a mere mistake of that sort. What he displayed is a fundamental lack of knowledge on a pretty important policy topic (one that he is allegedly campaigning for). This actually is a big deal, and does look quite a bit worse. Unlike in Obama's case, it is clear that Perry really DOESN'T know what he is talking about (in this case, his own policy). He doesn't even appear remotely composed or knowledgeable.

There is a big difference between that and a Freudian slip.

Palin and Bush Jr. were also very prone to making these types of errors (give credit to McCain, he didn't do this very often). People make a big deal out of them because they actually look much worse, not because of a leftist conspiracy.

The Republican Party needs more competent and composed representatives. You cannot put a guy like Perry next to Obama and expect anything good to come out of it.

Know your enemy and know yourself, find naught in fear for 100 battles. Know yourself but not your enemy, find level of loss and victory. Know thy enemy but not yourself, wallow in defeat every time.
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How can you say its a fundamental lack of knowledge? It was a brain freeze. Ever forget something you knew the answer to something you knew temporarily? You drew a complete blank, then 5 minutes later you remembered the answer? Thats what happened. To think anything more then that is just wishful liberal thinking.

The problems the Republicans have now is that they have agreed to a debate format that is akin to walking a minefield with grenades being thrown at them. Have you watched the last two debates? The candidates are being attacked by liberal moderators who want nothing more then to embarrass them. Scott Pelley was creaming himself on Saturday attacking the Republicans, although Gingrich put him in his place. Watching the CNBC anchors on Wednesday was ridiculous - Mario Bartiromo and the other CNBC anchor were like attack dogs. CNBC is owned by GE - guess where Obama's jobs Czar is from?? God forbid someone make a mistake or that person is suddenly deemed unworthy. CNN ran more stores in 1 week on Cains sex accuser, who has declared bankruptcy twice in 11 years, then it did on Obama's ties to a admitted terrorist, a felon developer, and the racist preacher who married him.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppa...as-ties-ay

Instead of showing youtube clips of Perry's brain freeze why aren't they showing you clips of the promises Obama made that aren't even close to becoming reality and are nothing more then lies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqMbD6MNf5U

the problem the Conservatives have is that you have a liberal media doing everything they possibly can to trash the Republican candidates and protect the democratic incumbent and the American people are too stupid to think for themselves.
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Quote: (11-13-2011 11:20 PM)Brian Wrote:  

How can you say its a fundamental lack of knowledge? It was a brain freeze. Ever forget something you knew the answer to something you knew temporarily? You drew a complete blank, then 5 minutes later you remembered the answer? Thats what happened. To think anything more then that is just wishful liberal thinking.

The problems the Republicans have now is that they have agreed to a debate format that is akin to walking a minefield with grenades being thrown at them. Have you watched the last two debates? The candidates are being attacked by liberal moderators who want nothing more then to embarrass them. Scott Pelley was creaming himself on Saturday attacking the Republicans, although Gingrich put him in his place. Watching the CNBC anchors on Wednesday was ridiculous - Mario Bartiromo and the other CNBC anchor were like attack dogs. CNBC is owned by GE - guess where Obama's jobs Czar is from?? God forbid someone make a mistake or that person is suddenly deemed unworthy. CNN ran more stores in 1 week on Cains sex accuser, who has declared bankruptcy twice in 11 years, then it did on Obama's ties to a admitted terrorist, a felon developer, and the racist preacher who married him.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppa...as-ties-ay

Instead of showing youtube clips of Perry's brain freeze why aren't they showing you clips of the promises Obama made that aren't even close to becoming reality and are nothing more then lies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqMbD6MNf5U

the problem the Conservatives have is that you have a liberal media doing everything they possibly can to trash the Republican candidates and protect the democratic incumbent and the American people are too stupid to think for themselves.

The denial of conservatives is ridiculous. A brain freeze? This man has repeatedly shit the bed on the spot. Just as Bush did. It's funny how the FOX News watching, mouthbreathing conservatives used to say "That's not fair! Bush isn't like that, the media just takes each little speaking mistake he's ever made and blows it out of proportion! Blah blah blah they're trying to make Bush look bad by jumping on each little mistake like this!" They are saying the exact same thing about Perry now. But hey, you could definitely see yourself having a beer with him, so he's not all that bad.

How'd that Bush guy work out? Refresh our memory...
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Quote: (11-13-2011 11:20 PM)Brian Wrote:  

How can you say its a fundamental lack of knowledge? It was a brain freeze. Ever forget something you knew the answer to something you knew temporarily? You drew a complete blank, then 5 minutes later you remembered the answer? Thats what happened. To think anything more then that is just wishful liberal thinking.

The problems the Republicans have now is that they have agreed to a debate format that is akin to walking a minefield with grenades being thrown at them. Have you watched the last two debates? The candidates are being attacked by liberal moderators who want nothing more then to embarrass them. Scott Pelley was creaming himself on Saturday attacking the Republicans, although Gingrich put him in his place. Watching the CNBC anchors on Wednesday was ridiculous - Mario Bartiromo and the other CNBC anchor were like attack dogs. CNBC is owned by GE - guess where Obama's jobs Czar is from?? God forbid someone make a mistake or that person is suddenly deemed unworthy. CNN ran more stores in 1 week on Cains sex accuser, who has declared bankruptcy twice in 11 years, then it did on Obama's ties to a admitted terrorist, a felon developer, and the racist preacher who married him.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppa...as-ties-ay

Instead of showing youtube clips of Perry's brain freeze why aren't they showing you clips of the promises Obama made that aren't even close to becoming reality and are nothing more then lies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqMbD6MNf5U

the problem the Conservatives have is that you have a liberal media doing everything they possibly can to trash the Republican candidates and protect the democratic incumbent and the American people are too stupid to think for themselves.

There's a difference between him freezing in response to a question and freezing up on one of his main policy platforms.
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Quote: (11-13-2011 11:20 PM)Brian Wrote:  

How can you say its a fundamental lack of knowledge? It was a brain freeze. Ever forget something you knew the answer to something you knew temporarily? You drew a complete blank, then 5 minutes later you remembered the answer? Thats what happened. To think anything more then that is just wishful liberal thinking.

The problems the Republicans have now is that they have agreed to a debate format that is akin to walking a minefield with grenades being thrown at them. Have you watched the last two debates? The candidates are being attacked by liberal moderators who want nothing more then to embarrass them. Scott Pelley was creaming himself on Saturday attacking the Republicans, although Gingrich put him in his place. Watching the CNBC anchors on Wednesday was ridiculous - Mario Bartiromo and the other CNBC anchor were like attack dogs. CNBC is owned by GE - guess where Obama's jobs Czar is from?? God forbid someone make a mistake or that person is suddenly deemed unworthy. CNN ran more stores in 1 week on Cains sex accuser, who has declared bankruptcy twice in 11 years, then it did on Obama's ties to a admitted terrorist, a felon developer, and the racist preacher who married him.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppa...as-ties-ay

Instead of showing youtube clips of Perry's brain freeze why aren't they showing you clips of the promises Obama made that aren't even close to becoming reality and are nothing more then lies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqMbD6MNf5U

the problem the Conservatives have is that you have a liberal media doing everything they possibly can to trash the Republican candidates and protect the democratic incumbent and the American people are too stupid to think for themselves.

Um.. except that the most fierce critics of these guys are actually fellow republicans.

It's a primary...they're trashing each other.

And Obama's jobs czar? He's a republican.
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Quote: (11-13-2011 11:20 PM)Brian Wrote:  

How can you say its a fundamental lack of knowledge? It was a brain freeze. Ever forget something you knew the answer to something you knew temporarily? You drew a complete blank, then 5 minutes later you remembered the answer? Thats what happened. To think anything more then that is just wishful liberal thinking.

The problems the Republicans have now is that they have agreed to a debate format that is akin to walking a minefield with grenades being thrown at them. Have you watched the last two debates? The candidates are being attacked by liberal moderators who want nothing more then to embarrass them. Scott Pelley was creaming himself on Saturday attacking the Republicans, although Gingrich put him in his place. Watching the CNBC anchors on Wednesday was ridiculous - Mario Bartiromo and the other CNBC anchor were like attack dogs. CNBC is owned by GE - guess where Obama's jobs Czar is from?? God forbid someone make a mistake or that person is suddenly deemed unworthy. CNN ran more stores in 1 week on Cains sex accuser, who has declared bankruptcy twice in 11 years, then it did on Obama's ties to a admitted terrorist, a felon developer, and the racist preacher who married him.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppa...as-ties-ay

Instead of showing youtube clips of Perry's brain freeze why aren't they showing you clips of the promises Obama made that aren't even close to becoming reality and are nothing more then lies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqMbD6MNf5U

the problem the Conservatives have is that you have a liberal media doing everything they possibly can to trash the Republican candidates and protect the democratic incumbent and the American people are too stupid to think for themselves.

"liberal media", "liberal thinking"...

You really need to de-program your brain from talking points and tired catch phrases and try thinking for yourself.
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Quote: (11-14-2011 06:31 AM)The_CEO Wrote:  

Quote: (11-13-2011 11:20 PM)Brian Wrote:  

How can you say its a fundamental lack of knowledge? It was a brain freeze. Ever forget something you knew the answer to something you knew temporarily? You drew a complete blank, then 5 minutes later you remembered the answer? Thats what happened. To think anything more then that is just wishful liberal thinking.

The problems the Republicans have now is that they have agreed to a debate format that is akin to walking a minefield with grenades being thrown at them. Have you watched the last two debates? The candidates are being attacked by liberal moderators who want nothing more then to embarrass them. Scott Pelley was creaming himself on Saturday attacking the Republicans, although Gingrich put him in his place. Watching the CNBC anchors on Wednesday was ridiculous - Mario Bartiromo and the other CNBC anchor were like attack dogs. CNBC is owned by GE - guess where Obama's jobs Czar is from?? God forbid someone make a mistake or that person is suddenly deemed unworthy. CNN ran more stores in 1 week on Cains sex accuser, who has declared bankruptcy twice in 11 years, then it did on Obama's ties to a admitted terrorist, a felon developer, and the racist preacher who married him.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppa...as-ties-ay

Instead of showing youtube clips of Perry's brain freeze why aren't they showing you clips of the promises Obama made that aren't even close to becoming reality and are nothing more then lies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqMbD6MNf5U

the problem the Conservatives have is that you have a liberal media doing everything they possibly can to trash the Republican candidates and protect the democratic incumbent and the American people are too stupid to think for themselves.

"liberal media", "liberal thinking"...

You really need to de-program your brain from talking points and tired catch phrases and try thinking for yourself.

so are you saying there is no liberal media bias?
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The media has a bias, but it is not really liberal or conservative per se. A lot of it has to do with preserving the status quo and certain narratives that benefit powerful interests in the country, of which the government is but one (regardless of who is in power). Sometimes it appears to be liberal, and sometimes conservative, but these are mere coincidences. It's also natural to want to defend your guy, or your side. That's just human nature. But we should try to be realistic, and Perry is just not a good candidate. If his screw up was a one-off, it could be forgiven, but he has demonstrated time and again his lack of capability.
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Quote: (11-14-2011 11:19 AM)Menace Wrote:  

The media has a bias, but it is not really liberal or conservative per se. A lot of it has to do with preserving the status quo and certain narratives that benefit powerful interests in the country, of which the government is but one (regardless of who is in power). Sometimes it appears to be liberal, and sometimes conservative, but these are mere coincidences. It's also natural to want to defend your guy, or your side. That's just human nature. But we should try to be realistic, and Perry is just not a good candidate. If his screw up was a one-off, it could be forgiven, but he has demonstrated time and again his lack of capability.


in a lot of ways i agree w/the fact that Perry isnt a good candidate. he looks like a buffoon w/that stupid grin and smile. but what i think is wrong is that he is being judged on how well he shows on the debates, rather then his credentials - his state, of which he is the Governor, has done very well economically. Obama is one of the best speakers out there and people are enamored with it, but somewhere along the line people became more enthralled with what you say and how you say it then what you have actually done or what you plan on doing.
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But it's always like this, regardless of political affiliation. You're judged on everything you do, fair or not. Frankly I think it's crazy how many debates they are having. The issue with him being Governor and Texas doing well is interesting in a general sense, because I think Republicans generally believe (or at least they say they believe) that the government can't do anything, it's the free market. So how can he (or any other politician) take credit for something that's not supposed to be possible? It's like government is good at the state level, but bad at the national level.
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Quote: (11-14-2011 12:18 PM)Menace Wrote:  

But it's always like this, regardless of political affiliation. You're judged on everything you do, fair or not. Frankly I think it's crazy how many debates they are having. The issue with him being Governor and Texas doing well is interesting in a general sense, because I think Republicans generally believe (or at least they say they believe) that the government can't do anything, it's the free market. So how can he (or any other politician) take credit for something that's not supposed to be possible? It's like government is good at the state level, but bad at the national level.

As someone who has been in DC for a very long time let me tell you that the Federal Government is the biggest waste of money you could possibly imagine, and they do more to harm business then then help it. You really have no idea unless you have been in this area how useless the federal government is. You could probably wipe away at least 1/2 of it overnight and you would never notice. Government workers are the laziest, most spoiled, entitled, overpaid bunch of do nothings you could ever possibly imagine. If you are able to cut the federal govt involvement in things and create a pro business climate I think you can definitely take credit for that.
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What's probably happening here is that these candidates are getting their policies written for them by right-wing think tanks and their job is simply to memorize the policy and parrot it in front of the camera. This is what Herman Cain is, he's just a front man for the Koch Brother's Americans for Prosperity right-wing thing tank. A manufactured candidate. I'll bet you anything that's what happened to Perry. Probably had that shit drafted up by the Heritage Foundation or something, he didn't cram his ready-made answers well enough the night before and then showed up empty-handed.

For those of you that don't think this is important, how can you have a president at major summits with other world leaders blanking out. We need someone that is sharp and on the ball. This is a prime-time position.
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Rick Perry is a bafoon. A commentator on the Young Turks Show put it so nicely. "You can tell he is uninspired and largely non-involved in his campaign, if you are just being fed lines (which they all are) and you don't believe anything you are saying its easy to slip up and make mistakes like this" Perry is just a puppet for the evangelicals he'd much rather be back in Texas slinging guns.

None of these fools are better than the train wreak Obama and that says a lot. Speakeasy is right though. Each one of these ® Candidates is bought and paid for by some interest group on the right. Aside from Ron Paul none of the trolls have proposed any new ideas that haven't already been echoed by think-tanks and special interests.

I watched the CBS debate because I was board and wanted a laugh. It was cringe worthy the type or crap they we're all taking non of them have written a honest word of their own in years.
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Quote: (11-14-2011 11:58 AM)Brian Wrote:  

Quote: (11-14-2011 11:19 AM)Menace Wrote:  

The media has a bias, but it is not really liberal or conservative per se. A lot of it has to do with preserving the status quo and certain narratives that benefit powerful interests in the country, of which the government is but one (regardless of who is in power). Sometimes it appears to be liberal, and sometimes conservative, but these are mere coincidences. It's also natural to want to defend your guy, or your side. That's just human nature. But we should try to be realistic, and Perry is just not a good candidate. If his screw up was a one-off, it could be forgiven, but he has demonstrated time and again his lack of capability.


in a lot of ways i agree w/the fact that Perry isnt a good candidate. he looks like a buffoon w/that stupid grin and smile. but what i think is wrong is that he is being judged on how well he shows on the debates, rather then his credentials - his state, of which he is the Governor, has done very well economically. Obama is one of the best speakers out there and people are enamored with it, but somewhere along the line people became more enthralled with what you say and how you say it then what you have actually done or what you plan on doing.

Yeah, and it's not true. They WERE doing well b/c of their oil dollars,
and not b/c of anything he was doing.
And they're not a success story anymore.
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Quote: (11-14-2011 12:26 PM)Brian Wrote:  

As someone who has been in DC for a very long time let me tell you that the Federal Government is the biggest waste of money you could possibly imagine, and they do more to harm business then then help it. You really have no idea unless you have been in this area how useless the federal government is. You could probably wipe away at least 1/2 of it overnight and you would never notice. Government workers are the laziest, most spoiled, entitled, overpaid bunch of do nothings you could ever possibly imagine. If you are able to cut the federal govt involvement in things and create a pro business climate I think you can definitely take credit for that.

I'm also in the DC area, so I know some of what you talk about. However, the government agency that is probably the most wasteful (DoD/Pentagon) is completely sacrosanct.
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Quote: (11-15-2011 09:11 AM)The_CEO Wrote:  

Quote: (11-14-2011 11:58 AM)Brian Wrote:  

Quote: (11-14-2011 11:19 AM)Menace Wrote:  

The media has a bias, but it is not really liberal or conservative per se. A lot of it has to do with preserving the status quo and certain narratives that benefit powerful interests in the country, of which the government is but one (regardless of who is in power). Sometimes it appears to be liberal, and sometimes conservative, but these are mere coincidences. It's also natural to want to defend your guy, or your side. That's just human nature. But we should try to be realistic, and Perry is just not a good candidate. If his screw up was a one-off, it could be forgiven, but he has demonstrated time and again his lack of capability.


in a lot of ways i agree w/the fact that Perry isnt a good candidate. he looks like a buffoon w/that stupid grin and smile. but what i think is wrong is that he is being judged on how well he shows on the debates, rather then his credentials - his state, of which he is the Governor, has done very well economically. Obama is one of the best speakers out there and people are enamored with it, but somewhere along the line people became more enthralled with what you say and how you say it then what you have actually done or what you plan on doing.

Yeah, and it's not true. They WERE doing well b/c of their oil dollars,
and not b/c of anything he was doing.
And they're not a success story anymore.

Texas has traditionally stolen away a lot of corporations from other states who are looking for a more business friendly (ie low government) environment that had nothing to do with oil.
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Texas also has a funny system where the Lt. Governor has more power than the Governor. Apparently the Governor of Texas has very little formal powers.
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"... the alleged economic miracle in Texas, which, it’s often asserted, sailed through the Great Recession almost unscathed thanks to conservative economic policies. And Mr. Perry will claim that he can restore prosperity to America by applying the same policies at a national level.

So what you need to know is that the Texas miracle is a myth, and more broadly that Texan experience offers no useful lessons on how to restore national full employment.

It’s true that Texas entered recession a bit later than the rest of America, mainly because the state’s still energy-heavy economy was buoyed by high oil prices through the first half of 2008. Also, Texas was spared the worst of the housing crisis, partly because it turns out to have surprisingly strict regulation of mortgage lending.

Despite all that, however, from mid-2008 onward unemployment soared in Texas, just as it did almost everywhere else.

In June 2011, the Texas unemployment rate was 8.2 percent. That was less than unemployment in collapsed-bubble states like California and Florida, but it was slightly higher than the unemployment rate in New York, and significantly higher than the rate in Massachusetts. By the way, one in four Texans lacks health insurance, the highest proportion in the nation, thanks largely to the state’s small-government approach. Meanwhile, Massachusetts has near-universal coverage thanks to health reform very similar to the “job-killing” Affordable Care Act.

So where does the notion of a Texas miracle come from? Mainly from widespread misunderstanding of the economic effects of population growth.

For this much is true about Texas: It has, for many decades, had much faster population growth than the rest of America — about twice as fast since 1990. Several factors underlie this rapid population growth: a high birth rate, immigration from Mexico, and inward migration of Americans from other states, who are attracted to Texas by its warm weather and low cost of living, low housing costs in particular.

And just to be clear, there’s nothing wrong with a low cost of living. In particular, there’s a good case to be made that zoning policies in many states unnecessarily restrict the supply of housing, and that this is one area where Texas does in fact do something right.

But what does population growth have to do with job growth? Well, the high rate of population growth translates into above-average job growth through a couple of channels. Many of the people moving to Texas — retirees in search of warm winters, middle-class Mexicans in search of a safer life — bring purchasing power that leads to greater local employment. At the same time, the rapid growth in the Texas work force keeps wages low — nearly 10 percent of hourly Texan workers earn the minimum wage or less, well above the national average — and these low wages give corporations an incentive to move production to the Lone Star State.

So Texas tends, in good years and bad, to have higher job growth than the rest of America. But it needs lots of new jobs just to keep up with its rising population — and as those unemployment comparisons show, recent employment growth has fallen well short of what’s needed.

What Texas shows is that a state offering cheap labor and, less important, weak regulation can attract jobs from other states. I believe that the appropriate response to this insight is “Well, duh.” The point is that arguing from this experience that depressing wages and dismantling regulation in America as a whole would create more jobs — which is, whatever Mr. Perry may say, what Perrynomics amounts to in practice — involves a fallacy of composition: every state can’t lure jobs away from every other state.

In fact, at a national level lower wages would almost certainly lead to fewer jobs — because they would leave working Americans even less able to cope with the overhang of debt left behind by the housing bubble, an overhang that is at the heart of our economic problem."
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