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Pacquiao-Marquez III
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Pacquiao-Marquez III

Thoughts on the fight and the result from other boxing fans on here?

As always, styles make fights, and these two dudes were made to fight each other. Great action, great fight, great trilogy. I had it as a draw. Marquez's trainer made a huge mistake in giving his fighter false confidence by telling him that he was ahead on the judge's cards heading into the final rounds. Marquez then laid off and arguably lost the fight on the judge's cards b/c of the 12th round.

HBO definitely wanted Pacquiao to win b/c they will be the network showing Mayweather-Pacman if it happens. So it can be said within reason that unless he knocked out Pacquiao, Marquez never truly had a chance. It was crazy to keep seeing HBO's Harold Lederman scoring the fight in clear favor of Pacquaio as the fight progressed. I was watching the fight on both HBO and on a British feed (SKY sports?). The different commentaries were like night and day. HBO was pro-Pacquiao and made it seem like Pacquiao was clearly dominating the fight (which wasn't the case). The British homies had the fight close but said Marquez was winning. I'm used to boxing and it's 'funny' happenings, but it was still interesting to see this.

Interested to hear G Manifesto's take on the fight and the result. And going forward, I've always thought Mayweather would beat Pacman in a majority decision. This fight reinforced that belief. Let's see if these two finally get in the ring (I'm looking at you Money Mayweather).
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Pacquiao-Marquez III

I'm not a boxing expert, not even a real fan but I think that Marquez won
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Didn't watch the fight but figured pac would win a decision unless he got knocked out. He's worth too much money and boxing has always been super shady. I also agree that Mayweather beats Manny. His d and counter punching are amazing and that is what gives Manny trouble.
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Arguably, Marquez won 7 rounds. I find I often disagree with Harold Lederman's take, because he rewards "ring generalship" and "aggressiveness" whether it's actually effective or not. Pac's style is busier, and he'll usually out-throw his opponents, but last night Marquez clearly landed the cleaner shots, but he wasn't busy enough. He actually solved Pac - he was landing clean uppercuts/left hooks, but abandoned it. After the results of the first two fights, he HAD to know the deal against Pac. He's more of a counter puncher, but you're not taking the belt from a popular champion that way. He needed to step up his punch rate in the last two rounds, but he laid back. In rounds where there isn't much being landed, the guy that appears to be pressing the fight will get the nod.

I've always believed that Pac's style is suited to what Floyd does. Pac dives in, often exposed. Like Mayweather, Marquez is a counter puncher but not nearly in Floyd's class as a puncher or overall fighter. Floyd is quicker with his hands and more accurate than Marquez. Floyd also doesn't throw enough for my tastes, but I believe he would pick up his pace a little against Pac, and I don't see how he would be easy for Pac to hit. I think it's a clear decision for Floyd against Pac.

"The best kind of pride is that which compels a man to do his best when no one is watching."
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You know whats interesting? I watched an online stream and it wasnt the HBO crew doing the broadcasting. One of the broadcasters was Amir Khan, a fighter who is friends w/Pacquiao and training partners with him, and when it was over he basically said JMM won the fight.

All that being said, while JMM probably won on points, if you go by the old saying that if you want to beat the champ and take away his belt you do so have to do so convincingly, I could see where the judges would have basically given MP all the close rounds.
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Pacquiao-Marquez III

I only respect Max Kellerman on the HBO crew. Jim Lampley is always trying to create fake drama (and sometimes I wonder what the fuck he's looking at, because I often feel I'm watching a different fight than he is), and Harold Lederman and Larry Merchant are JOKES. They were blatantly rooting for Pacquiao last night, and that's embarrassing.

"The best kind of pride is that which compels a man to do his best when no one is watching."
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Pacquiao-Marquez III

Didn't watch the fight, but I'm surprised to hear it was so close. Not to knock Marquez, I haven't really followed him much, although I did see his fight with Mayweather on HBO.

I thought since Pacquiao steam rolled through a bunch of bigger dudes: Margarito, Cotto, etc., Marquez would be a cake walk for him.

I like Pacquiao and always thought he could beat Mayweather, but now I am having serious doubts about that, I don't like Mayweather, but I got to give him the edge right now.
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Pacquiao-Marquez III

Quote: (11-13-2011 11:56 PM)OGNorCal707 Wrote:  

Didn't watch the fight, but I'm surprised to hear it was so close. Not to knock Marquez, I haven't really followed him much, although I did see his fight with Mayweather on HBO.

I thought since Pacquiao steam rolled through a bunch of bigger dudes: Margarito, Cotto, etc., Marquez would be a cake walk for him.

I like Pacquiao and always thought he could beat Mayweather, but now I am having serious doubts about that, I don't like Mayweather, but I got to give him the edge right now.

Many of the fighters Pac ran through weren't very good defensive fighters, and can't handle boxers with hand speed. They're good fighters no doubt, but were used to being able to dominate guys that stood right in front of them. They're offensive fighters themselves, but not particularly fast. I think people get clouded by their dislike of Mayweather the MAN, so they want to see Mayweather the fighter get beaten. As a practitioner of the sweet science, I think he's without peer. It's not that I don't think Pac CAN'T beat Mayweather - I've just never felt he would.

"The best kind of pride is that which compels a man to do his best when no one is watching."
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The crazy thing with boxing is that even though Pac was probably given a gift last night to keep interest in a Mayweather bout alive,the Mayweather fight will probably never happen anyway.

So JMM was fucked over to save the slim chance that May-Pac can get a deal worked out.I bet he feels good.

That Dave Moretti judge has been involved in every rigged decision I've seen going back 20 years.He's the best judge money can buy.

It's time for open scoring to cut this bullshit out.
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Punch stats proved ,Paquiao, won the fight. In addition, you have to take the fight to the champ which he(Marquez) failed to do in the last 5 rounds. Judges not only look at punches landed, but aggression, power punches, and well......who would the public want to see in a fight with Mayweather.
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Punchstat also showed Marquez landed at a higher percentage, and my eyes showed me that he landed the cleaner scoring blows. I think that's more important. However, it is true that the fighter that is more aggressive will usually get the nod. I think "effective" aggressiveness should be rewarded, not just simply swinging and not landing. I think if Marquez had been a bit more aggressive in the last 2 rounds it would have either been a draw or a narrow win for him. If you look at most of Mayweather's fights, he never throws as much as his opponents, but he lands cleanly when he throws and he doesn't get hit, even though his opponent is throwing more.

"The best kind of pride is that which compels a man to do his best when no one is watching."
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Pacquiao-Marquez III

Quote: (11-14-2011 05:17 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Punch stats proved ,Paquiao, won the fight. In addition, you have to take the fight to the champ which he(Marquez) failed to do in the last 5 rounds. Judges not only look at punches landed, but aggression, power punches, and well......who would the public want to see in a fight with Mayweather.

Punch stats dont prove anything.One clean,heavy punch is supposed to be worth at least half a dozen light,grazing punches in pro boxing.

JMM got screwed...but yeah the public want to see Pac - Mayweather so the judges were always going to give Pac any close rounds.They get booted off the gravy train if they dont stick with the program.
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I don't believe Marquez got screwed really. It was a close fight that could have gone either way. I leaned towards Marquez, but the fact remains that you truly have to take a champion's belt clearly and convincingly. He didn't do that. I do believe the prevailing sentiment was that those that run the sport wanted Pac to win, as well as the HBO crew (because they'll be televising Pac/Mayweather if it happens). I actually smelled a draw coming, and one of the judges had it even. I didn't agree with the 4 point spread on one card.

"The best kind of pride is that which compels a man to do his best when no one is watching."
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Pacroid has been exposed to be overrated. Marqeuz won that fight. I would have thought G would have post fight analysis on this.

Rob
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