[Basil Ransom]

It's good to be aware of this generally, but not to get caught up on it. Trying to situate yourself to reduce your vulnerability might come at the expense of bang-friendly body language/seating. Are you going to stare at a potential threat all night, or talk to your girl?

For every time a guy actually punches you, there's a hundred times where he doesn't. Best bet is to avoid shady places altogether, where someone might *really* fuck you up, like a biker bar. Elsewhere, the odds are low, and even when something does happen, its not going to be as lethal.

Being big, looking intimidating, would probably help deter fights as well.

[SamBellamy]

Definitely a learning experience. Thing is shit like this doesn't really happen here in the US without some prior warning signs or massive stupidity on your part. We are so used to dealing with pussies that you start thinking like wtf is he gonna do? Now you will be more aware of potential threats in the future.

On a sidenote, is this the first physical altercation you had since the girl that punched you out side the club that you wrote about in Bang?

[Vicious]

You sure he wasn't an Icelander?

[Roosh]

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On a sidenote, is this the first physical altercation you had since the girl that punched you out side the club that you wrote about in Bang?

Hah. There have been minor scuffles but first time since someone connected to my head.

[Aliblahba]

(11-11-2011 03:16 AM)Peoloom Wrote:  

I see this ALL THE TIME in Estonia. A dude broods in the corner while his girl flirts with some other guy (not necessarily foreign), then an hour or so later he rallies his buddies and they beat the shit out of the hapless gamesman.

I aligned myself quickly with some cool locals that kept the peace between me and the haters. I would probably gotten jumped at least once in Club Hollywood if I'd been running dolo.

My MO is to avoid confrontation at all costs overseas. Going to jail on your home turf sucks as it is, but in a foreign country? Fek all that.

[rudebwoy]

FYI - Martial Arts cannot protect you from a broken beer bottle!

Fighting is dumb period, especially fighting in a foreign country when you are the tourist.

As stated, the lesson learned is be more aware of your surroundings. I would hate to see you go out like that, who else would inspire me to get the fuck out of North America.

[Samseau]

In America, I fear more being attacked by women than the men. In every other country, I fear being attacked by the men.


Glad you weren't seriously hurt roosh.

[el mechanico]

Roosh, When you position yourself in the bar always look for a spot where you can see what's coming at you and never have your back facing a door...Entrance, bathroom or whatever. When you are stealing pussy reposition so you can see who you are taking it from out of the corner of your eye at all times. It sucks that you have to do that but with practice it will just become standard operating procedure and you wont appear nervous. I have a feeling that Russian dudes are not as kind as the Polish so be careful.

Typical suckerpunchers take a break then move. Most of the time I see them leave the bar for about 30 seconds and come back in just to hit the target.

[ImmoralPsychology]

Glad to hear that you came out of it OK.

However, am I the only one here that thinks hitting on girls that are there with a guy is just bad taste? You said they looked like they were on a date. Sorry, but the classy (respectable) thing to do there is to just leave them alone.

While I understand the whole, "It's up to her who she talks to and goes home with" blah blah blah... If a dude can clearly see that she is on a date with me or is my girlfriend and continues to try to chat her up or touching her suggestively, I would not be a happy camper. Not just because I might lose the chick - so what, if she's that much of a worthless skank that doesn't have enough class to know how to behave I don't see her as valuable enough to worry about - but because the dude is directly insulting me. Let's face it, when you hit on another guy's girl so blatantly, you're pretty much daring him to knock you over the head. Most guys might not do anything, but some will, so it's really just a matter of time before you do get to the one that knocks your teeth out if you do that type of thing.

For the record, I'm not talking about swooping in on a chick who just got hit on by some random dude. That is open season, IMO.

[Brian]

(11-12-2011 02:19 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Glad to hear that you came out of it OK.

However, am I the only one here that thinks hitting on girls that are there with a guy is just bad taste? You said they looked like they were on a date. Sorry, but the classy (respectable) thing to do there is to just leave them alone.

While I understand the whole, "It's up to her who she talks to and goes home with" blah blah blah... If a dude can clearly see that she is on a date with me or is my girlfriend and continues to try to chat her up or touching her suggestively, I would not be a happy camper. Not just because I might lose the chick - so what, if she's that much of a worthless skank that doesn't have enough class to know how to behave I don't see her as valuable enough to worry about - but because the dude is directly insulting me. Let's face it, when you hit on another guy's girl so blatantly, you're pretty much daring him to knock you over the head. Most guys might not do anything, but some will, so it's really just a matter of time before you do get to the one that knocks your teeth out if you do that type of thing.

For the record, I'm not talking about swooping in on a chick who just got hit on by some random dude. That is open season, IMO.

i agree w/you in that when you do this you basically get what you deserve. if you think you can out game a guy or AMOG and you end up getting your ass beat its kind of hard to feel sorry for you. cheap shots are dirty but so is trying to steal a mans girl.

[DonovanVC]

(11-12-2011 10:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

In America, I fear more being attacked by women than the men. In every other country, I fear being attacked by the men.


Glad you weren't seriously hurt roosh.

True that

[RaulValdez739]

(11-12-2011 02:19 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Glad to hear that you came out of it OK.

However, am I the only one here that thinks hitting on girls that are there with a guy is just bad taste? You said they looked like they were on a date. Sorry, but the classy (respectable) thing to do there is to just leave them alone.

While I understand the whole, "It's up to her who she talks to and goes home with" blah blah blah... If a dude can clearly see that she is on a date with me or is my girlfriend and continues to try to chat her up or touching her suggestively, I would not be a happy camper. Not just because I might lose the chick - so what, if she's that much of a worthless skank that doesn't have enough class to know how to behave I don't see her as valuable enough to worry about - but because the dude is directly insulting me. Let's face it, when you hit on another guy's girl so blatantly, you're pretty much daring him to knock you over the head. Most guys might not do anything, but some will, so it's really just a matter of time before you do get to the one that knocks your teeth out if you do that type of thing.

For the record, I'm not talking about swooping in on a chick who just got hit on by some random dude. That is open season, IMO.

I agree

[Batata]

I've come to realize that physical altercation is a basic fact of life when it comes to game. It's one of the biggest barriers that keep so many guys from stepping up in the first place. When you try to exploit a commodity as highly valued (society-wise) as a hot woman, you're going to get into conflicts with other competitors, whether they're competent or not.

[Timoteo]

(11-12-2011 02:19 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

Glad to hear that you came out of it OK.

However, am I the only one here that thinks hitting on girls that are there with a guy is just bad taste? You said they looked like they were on a date. Sorry, but the classy (respectable) thing to do there is to just leave them alone.

While I understand the whole, "It's up to her who she talks to and goes home with" blah blah blah... If a dude can clearly see that she is on a date with me or is my girlfriend and continues to try to chat her up or touching her suggestively, I would not be a happy camper. Not just because I might lose the chick - so what, if she's that much of a worthless skank that doesn't have enough class to know how to behave I don't see her as valuable enough to worry about - but because the dude is directly insulting me. Let's face it, when you hit on another guy's girl so blatantly, you're pretty much daring him to knock you over the head. Most guys might not do anything, but some will, so it's really just a matter of time before you do get to the one that knocks your teeth out if you do that type of thing.

For the record, I'm not talking about swooping in on a chick who just got hit on by some random dude. That is open season, IMO.

When something like this happens, it's like TWO people spitting in the guy's face, and daring him to do something about it. For your girlfriend/date to openly either flirt or be open to another man's advances RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU is the greatest insult. For a man to step to your girl right in front of you and spit game, he's telling you that you are insignificant, and no one he needs to be concerned about. It's a challenge to your manhood. If you're going to attempt something like that, you should be prepared for the worst, though most men would probably just swallow the insult.

In Roosh's case, she told him the guy wasn't her boyfriend and they weren't necessarily together. She greenlighted him. This guy was an orbiter that didn't have the balls to step up and make his move, and it angered him that some foreigner attempted what he couldn't. It's kind of funny that he mustered the courage to suckerpunch another man, but couldn't find that same courage to push up on a girl he really wanted to fuck.

[ImmoralPsychology]

My apologies, Roosh. I had the "they looked like they were on a date" part in my mind, but plain forgot the part where you said she assured you the guy was "just a friend".

Clearly, the situation I described in my post is not what you were doing.

My impression is that she was lying about him being just a friend. Maybe they weren't in a clearly defined relationship, but he was obviously under the impression that they weren't "just friends".

[Moma]

(11-14-2011 12:13 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

It's kind of funny that he mustered the courage to suckerpunch another man, but couldn't find that same courage to push up on a girl he really wanted to fuck.

The rules of engagement for punching another man in the face is very simple but for getting lizards to fcuk is more complicated hence the lack of courage.
If you want to punch a man in the face or hit him with an object, you merely need to summon up enough aggression and it will occur. With a lizard if you are too tender, you seem like a simp to her. If you are too aggressive (I will fcuk YOU tonight and you can't do shyt about it), you will scare her off. It's a mixture of tenderness as well as aggression. Determined yet indifferent.
A hard mix to master.

[el mechanico]

(11-14-2011 12:22 PM)ImmoralPsychology Wrote:  

My apologies, Roosh. I had the "they looked like they were on a date" part in my mind, but plain forgot the part where you said she assured you the guy was "just a friend".

Clearly, the situation I described in my post is not what you were doing.

My impression is that she was lying about him being just a friend. Maybe they weren't in a clearly defined relationship, but he was obviously under the impression that they weren't "just friends".

If you limit the girls you have on your radar to just girls that are alone what are you left with? You can tell if a girl is with her boyfriend and in to him. Anything else is fair game. A dude steps up? So be it. Sucker punch? Bring it! The thing is to understand what to do and know how to handle it...cause it's gonna happen.

[Iceinthewater]

the turning your back thing really can't be overplayed. I know on threads like this everyone wants to jump in and give self defense/fighting advice, but getting sucker punched from behind is no joke.

this girl I'm dating said her ex was out with his new girl at a club and some guy made a racist comment (her ex is white and was with a black chick, and I guess some black dude was like "you don't know what to do with that ass, white boy") so he's like "hey you don't gotta take it there, that's disrespectful" THEN HE TURNS AROUND and keeps walking.

The dude PUNCHES him in the back of the head, and he falls and hits his head on the floor. Not sure if it was the punch, or hitting the ground, but the poor guy got a brain anyeurism (sp) and was hospitalized/bed ridden for a couple months. He hasn't fully recovered - loses his balance, has that boxer "slowness" etc.

I don't even know the guy but it's fucking sad, and since I heard that story I've been a little more cautious when going out. I don't really have technical fighting skills, so I just try to stay alert and not get caught in a bad position.

[UgSlayer]

The best way to deal w/ a guy stealing your girl would have been a slight shove and "fuck off, faggot" or a better, more polite option would have been "have some respect, son"(use at your own risk, but most men are pussies and will put up a token resistance then eventually leave) or literally picking up your girl and moving her out of the bar. Then just proceed gaming.

Those are really the only two options if the guy has tighter game than you.

If you are in Roosh's position, it's a great reason to switch locations and isolate earlier. You now have a legit reason for wanting to go to that quiet spot in the corner facing the whole room and positioning her to face you and only you.

[raliv]

(11-12-2011 10:30 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

In America, I fear more being attacked by women than the men.

I got bitch-slapped by a woman the other month because I was taking caffeine pills at the bar to stay awake for my boy's bachelor party. She saw a white pill in my hand and thought they were roofies. So she walked up and slapped me. Then she started screaming about how I was drugging girls drinks. Everyone was giving me the stink eye so I left the bar. Not worth it.

What is with the female obsession with being roofied? It's like the secretly want to get drugged at a bar by the way they all talk about it. So overblown.

[Samseau]

This year, from women:

- 2 drinks dumped on me
- 3 sucker punches (luckily not the face)
- 2 white knights who come to defend a bitch women who started to insult me. One of them placed his hand on my neck
- pushed and shoved countless times by girls, a few times by guys
- countless times of women who start screaming for no reason after I try dancing with them

Guys are 90% friendly... women not so much.

[Smoker]

Damn. Where do you live Samseau? Is this normal for all guys or are you just a complete dick to get these kinds of responses? LOL

I'm glad to be living in Japan. Women here can be cold, but there's none of that shyte to deal with.

[YoungGunner]

(11-16-2011 12:44 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

This year, from women:

- 2 drinks dumped on me
- 3 sucker punches (luckily not the face)
- 2 white knights who come to defend a bitch women who started to insult me. One of them placed his hand on my neck
- pushed and shoved countless times by girls, a few times by guys
- countless times of women who start screaming for no reason after I try dancing with them

Guys are 90% friendly... women not so much.

What'd you say to the guy who put his hands on your neck? If he wasn't choking me I'd have given him 2 seconds before throwing some punches and shoving him to the ground, if he was probably would have gone apeshit

[pitt]

(11-16-2011 12:44 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

This year, from women:

- 2 drinks dumped on me
- 3 sucker punches (luckily not the face)
- 2 white knights who come to defend a bitch women who started to insult me. One of them placed his hand on my neck
- pushed and shoved countless times by girls, a few times by guys
- countless times of women who start screaming for no reason after I try dancing with them

Guys are 90% friendly... women not so much.

Thats a lot for a year..i think there is something wrong with your vibe. You will be surprised on the number of guys that would back down soon as you react against them. Usually when i am travelling, i try my best to avoid fights, however there are just certain situations where i cant let shit get by, i had to back down from a fight in DR last year and it kinda kills me till now. Basically i was in this club with this woman i was fucking with, decided to move solo around the club to move to other girls..i was standing next to these two other dudes..after 10 mins one of the dudes drink falls, i start laughing, not to annoy him, but i just found it funny..he cleans his mess..then looks at me like what? I look on the other side..after 10 seconds he pushes me on my chest..he tells me something about me standing too close to him, i get closer to him and ask him whats up..he is like, i dont like when dudes stand too close to me, im like ''the club is full, aint no other space for me to chill'' i couldnt tell how many dudes he was running with..i try shake his hands and make this a peace thing..he didnt want to shake hands..fuck it, i went back to my woman and minutes after we left the club.

The main reason why i avoided the fight (i say avoid the fight because getting pushed on my chest should be enough to start a fight) it wasnt because i thought he was with a bunch of dudes, it is because i was fucking the whole day and i felt physically weak..and this is number one reason why i push myself to work out everyday..and funny thing..usually when i work out..i dont even see people trying to start fights with me..but avoiding that fight in DR kinda killed me.

This is also one of the reasons i dont like going to nightclubs solo..i prefer more day game..in nightclubs you are more likely to get into trouble..and when motherfuckers know that you are running solo and you acting like a super G, you will get in trouble.

I like what mixx said about no drinking alcohol in the club..thats so true, you will be so much in advantage when you are not drinking..but there is also one thing..have you ever drank so much in a club and then soon as you start fighting you become completely sober? lol

Let me go work out.

[Samseau]

Update: computer parts... almost here! Can't wait for my comp to be operational again!

The reason I get a lot of negative responses is because american girls are negative, and I hit on A LOT of girls. This year I've probably done close to 2000 approaches, and like 1% of these girls are so fucked you wouldn't even believe. They have serious issues with men, and need to vent.

Here's an example.

I approach a girl. Offer hand for a dance. She takes it, I twirl her. She looks at me and shakes her head. I hold the back of my hand up to her with a dismissive guesture and give a slight frown, to show my displeasure with her lack of funness. Suddenly I feel a punch in my rib cage.

Clearly unwarrented, but this girl was probably abused by her dad and/or boyfriend, so she now sees me as the big male oppressor who's crime was to show disapproval.

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What'd you say to the guy who put his hands on your neck? If he wasn't choking me I'd have given him 2 seconds before throwing some punches and shoving him to the ground, if he was probably would have gone apeshit

This was an interesting one.

I was dancing and a circle formed around me. Not uncommon. Some girls were cheering me on and I was having fun. One of these girls came up to me, so I did some partner dancing with her. She wasn't attractive enough for my tastes, so I twirled her back to the outside of the circle and did some more solo dancing while she cheered me on.

I drop low for some floor moves, and when I stand up again that same girl I had been dancing with had extended her arm into the dance circle while holding her drink. My shoulder collides into her arm and the drink goes flying, smashing on the floor.

I apologize and tell her that she shouldn't have put her arm into the circle like that.

HER: I think you should buy me a drink.
ME: It was an accident on all of our parts. You knew I was dancing there.
HER: You knocked my drink out of my hand and so you owe me a drink.
ME: No. I don't owe you anything. I'm not buying you a drink.

I backturn and go look to dance elsewhere, when suddenly I feel a cold splash across my face. My shirt is drenched. I look and see her friend start yelling at me.

HER FRIEND: HOW DARE YOU NOT BUY HER A DRINK YOU ASSHOLE! FUCK YOU!
ME: (I point my finger at her) FUCK YOU! BITCH!

As I proceed to insult her, a large guy, early twenties, taller than me by a few inches and bulkier than me, slides in front of me. He walks into me and pushes his hand up around my neck.

HIM: YOU FUCK WITH MY SISTER AND I WILL FUCK YOU UP! I WILL FUCK YOU UUUP!

The key to any escalation is to always stay rational. I sized him up in under a second. He was bigger than me, and he obviously lifted weights. I had no room to dodge any punches he might throw, as the club was too crowded. However, I'm a serious weight-lifter myself. Big guys aren't strong as much as they are big. Could he squat 300 like I could? Could he bench much more than 210? He looked like he was all show.

As soon as I felt his hand go around my neck, I stared into his eyes and grabbed both his wrists with each of my hands. I took his hand away from my neck and pulled it to the side of him. I held his other hand to the side of him, and kept his arms down by his waist.

I knew that, while his arms were a threat, his legs weren't stronger than mine. I also knew that without any room to dodge a punch, my only option would be to restrain him. With my hands on his wrists, I would be able to hold his arms if he made any sudden movements. A fight would come down to headbutts or a knee to the stomach/crotch, something I would be able to win.

While doing this, I proceeded to stare him down. He was more nervous than I was. Both of us were yelling at the top of our lungs.

ME: GET OFF ME FAGGOT! THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING!?
HIM: DON'T YOU DARE TOUCH MY SISTER I WILL WRECK YOU!!!
ME: I NEVER TOUCHED HER! FUCK YOU! I NEVER TOUCHED HER!

The shouting continued until some other guy in the club got between us. This other guy put his arms around my shoulder and started to restrain me. I let him slide between us. My angry attacker then started to yell at him, and then they began to fight!

This whole incident was becoming a waste of my time, so I used this moment to walk away and go find a bouncer. I spoke a few words to a bouncer and turned around. The club had gone back to normal. Just the threat of having to deal with the bouncers got my attacker to back down.

I then proceeded to game a few more chicks while soaked with alcohol, but they were too ugly for my tastes. My roommate, who was there at the time, was like "What the fuck was that all about? He put his hand around your neck!"

"Just some loser, man. Don't worry about it." Just another night dealing with American Women.