Quote: (11-14-2011 12:22 PM)Caligula Wrote:
I'm not trying to get into this discussion, but just want to point out the wrongness of Gariell's bizzarre claim that Indians are somehow "destroying Silicon Valley" - let's look at their contributions: about 7% of Silicon Valley CEOs are Indian, including titans like Vinod Khosla http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinod_Khosla Suhas Patil http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suhas_Patil and others who have directly contributed to the infrastructure that you use every time you go online.
Let's see, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_Americans - three Nobel prize winners and a throng of top academics and successful entrepreneurs.
Produce a comparable list for Muslim Americans and I might take the argument more seriously.
Caligula again, you don't seem to be aware much about the Indians and the Indian mentality. They have shown time and time again that they can't run societies properly, for them it's all about themselves & themselves only. They have no concept of a real civilized society, for Indians it's only about surviving & having more then the next person, thats it, the Indians of today are not capable of higher civilized thought like the Romans or have enough of it to create things like the Industrial revolution, the Protestant revolution, the information age, space technology, genetics etc unless it involves street money and personal power gratification. None of the richest Indians in America have set up charities, funds, or organizations to help lower to Middle class Americans in any shape or form. India is so great, that every year 1 million of that want to get out of that country. They haven't produced any top-caliber athletes or invented any major thing in almost 1000 years, there hasn't been a recent Indian Nobel prize winner (from India) in more then decades. Here is a list of companies that Indians have ruined and destroyed:
Adaptec - Indian CEO Subramanian Sundaresh fired.
AIG (signed outsourcing deal in 2007 in Europe with Accenture Indian frauds, collapsed in 2009)
AirBus (Qantas plane plunged 650 feet injuring passengers when its computer system written by India disengaged the auto-pilot).
Apple - R&D CLOSED in India in 2006.
Apple - Foreign guest worker caused the disastrous MobileMe product rollout.
Australia's National Australia Bank (Outsourced jobs to India in 2007, nationwide ATM and account failure in late 2010).
Bell Labs (Arun Netravalli took over, closed, turned into a shopping mall)
Boeing Dreamliner ES software (written by HCL, banned by FAA)
Bristol-Myers-Squibb (Trade Secrets and documents stolen in U.S. by Indian national guest worker)
Caymas - Startup run by Indian CEO, French director of dev, Chinese tech lead. Closed after 5 years of sucking VC out of America.
ComAir crew system run by 100% Indian IT workers caused the 12/25/05 U.S. airport shutdown when they used a short int instead of a long int
Dell - call center (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Delta call centers (closed in India because Premji's conmen don't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Fannie Mae- Hired large numbers of Indians, had to be bailed out. Indian logic bomb creator found guilty.
GM - Was booming in 2006, signed $300 million outsourcing deal with Wipro that same year, went bankrupt 3 years later
HSBC ATMs (software taken over by Indians, failed in 2006)
Intel Whitefield processor project (cancelled, Indian staff canned)
Lehman (Spectramind software bought by Wipro, ruined, trashed by Indian programmers)
Microsoft - Employs over 35,000 H-1Bs. Stock used to be $100. Today it's lucky to be over $25. Not to mention that Vista thing.
MIT Media Lab Asia (canceled)
PeopleSoft (Taken over by Indians in 2000, collapsed).
Polycom - Former senior executive Sunil Bhalla charged with insider trading.
Qantas - See AirBus above
Quark (Alukah Kamar CEO, fired, lost 60% of its customers to Adobe because Indian-written QuarkExpress 6 was a failure)
Rolls Royce (Sent aircraft engine work to India in 2006, engines delayed for Boeing 787, and failed on at least 2 Quantas planes in 2010, cost Rolls $500m).
Skype (Madhu Yarlagadda fired)
State of Indiana $867 billion FAILED IBM project, IBM being sued
State of Texas failed IBM project.
Sun Micro (Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001, collapsed, has to be sold off to Oracle).
United - call center (closed in India because they didn't even know how to use telephones, let alone computers)
Virgin Atlantic (software written in India caused cloud IT failure)
World Bank (Indian fraudsters BANNED for 3 years because they stole data).
If you look at the massive immigration by Indians to Malaysia, and parts of south East Asia, the places later turn out to be badly run shitholes, like India. The exact same thing is happening in places such as Australia & the U.K which experienced large scale Indian immigration, money is stolen and companies are torn and destroyed to the ground and the money of said company is stolen by said Indians. The current H1b program in the U.S is being abused by Indians. How exactly is the H1b program being abused? Well it goes like these, Indian enters X company, Indian person enters said X head position, Indian fires off all American workers and instead replaces them with cheap H1b workers from India who work for cheap prices and cannot produce any single goddman thing. Indian person FORCES American workers to TRAIN the H1b workers and then FIRES them. Said company is taken over by large numbers of H1b workers. Company finances and income is taken away by massive number of Indians and the Indian head. Company crashes, Indian files for bankrupty or some shit, and they run off with the funds of the company. This has been going for the last 2 decades with Indians, wherever they go they steal and massively fraud companies/places and turn them into poorly run shitholes, so they can command large dowry's which are their only hope of getting laid. They can't fight wars for the life of them and the idiotic culture can't produce a single thing worth mentioning unless it was 1000 years ago. Silicon Valley was mostly built by white American males, whom were for the most part misfits, geeks, strange ones etc. For the last two decade, corporate America has been, in the name of global labor arbitrage, shoving in cheap foreign labor just to increase the net worth of their own bank accounts. Why do you think India's neighbors and the various Middle Eastern countries look down on these people? Because they have a bad reputation. There are large parts of India that are worse off then the states of sub-saharan Africa, and they can't seem to build something or fix their poverty problems, run international sporting or race track events if their life depended on it. The Indian nobel prize winners that are mentioned are the exception not the norm, there are 10,000x backwards idiotic Indians for every any Indian worth mentioning; plus they are from the upper castes & Americanized, which makes a huge difference.
There is no such thing as "Muslim Americans" define that, if you mean by Iranian Americans, and other Middle immigrants from places like Lebanon, Syria then yes I can name you some of them. From what I've seen they have a much more better track record, production value, and less assimilation problems in the U.S & the West compared to Indians or anyone from the sub-continent. Iranians have the highest academic credentials out there of any group although that may change. They have had none of the problems or stigma's that are routinely associated with Indians, if they do, it's nothing compared to the backwardness of Indians.
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