Tuesday night review @ Honolulu-Hawaii / Critique on "textbook/classic" game
10-19-2011, 09:50 AM
This thread will probably read as something in between the Game forum and the Travel forum, so I'm not sure where to place it.
First, the setting:
Weekday parties for exchange students such as myself here in Honolulu are hot and cheap... meaning if you know the right places to go (Tuesday- Moose's Pub, Wednesday- Señor Frog, Thursday-Varsity; Friday to Sunday the options multiply) you are guaranteed to have a good crowd till late hours (the problem is getting up for class on the following day...)
It is being quite an experience for me, used to the alternative night scene in my native Rio de Janeiro, to hit this exceedingly multi-cultural/international setting that is Honolulu.
I've been learning a lot about myself and game. Some of the things that I've been considering are the practical aspects of "textbook game", that can loosely be defined (correct me if you may) in such simple steps as:
-Inner game
-Approach
-Conversation, where you introduce threads and routines that make the girl qualify herslef to you while you "demonstrate value"
-Escalate
-Isolate
-Close
I was used to some variation or other of the former as an up and coming player back home. I was working with a more "standard" crowd of Brazilian girls. Here where I am at now, the crowd is so varied and randomized that I feel that my own standard game cracks... just so you guys get a feeling of the diversity, tonight I approached and engaged in conversation ("ran game") on girls from the following backgrounds:
-Norwegian
-German
-Japanese
-Southeast asian-american (from DC!)
-Argentinian
-Uruguayan (she opened me, as I had some "t-shirt" game: my shirt had BUENOS FUCKING AIRES written on it, and she happen to have lived in BUENOS FUCKING AIRES)
-Australian
-Colombian
-American (from Reno, Nevada, and some others from elsewhere)
I might have forgotten some...
You can tell that I was doing some reasonable number of approaches, and got the German and Norwegian particularly engaged, haven't being able to re-open them later as I would usually do, as they had simply left.
I have this gauge of how I am doing, may it be good or not, where usually later on during the night I look around and ask myself "are people hooking up?", "how are girls responding to other guys?", "if there are any other guys doing better than me, what are they doing differently?"
Most of the time on these places I've been out to, the other guys aren't doing better than me, except for a few one or two, who ironically (not advocating anything here, please!) are insanely drunk Brazilian guys running grinding caveman game who just push it for the kiss like there is no tomorrow with almost nothing being said.
Even though I am Brazilian, caveman game has never been my forte. I am a confident conversationalist who likes to tease, lure and push-pull. While playing by the book things tend to go well, the only few guys here which I see getting some sort of consistent success are those running drunk grinding caveman game to its fullest. The best one I"ve seen at this (he is a good looking 8.5 Brazilian guy) even admitted to me that he is starting to get ill from all the drinking, but he still parties hardcore 4-5 times a week. More smooth conversationalist types like me, although getting some attention and... numbers... don't get the same results as a guy like that (even though I am by no means "bad looking").
Granted, most of the venues I've been here (like anywhere else I've been to, may I add!) there are more guys than girls. Guys who pedestalise women and stand for the white knighting crap that make girls's egos' go to skyrocketing heights, disturbing all the possible balance in the force, the "healthy" balance between girl-guy interaction.
Point being: textbook game, as described above, seems to be crumbling down and means nothing in some contexts. Threads? Converstation? Push-pull? Connection? Tease? No use.
What do you guys feel about this? I am sure that there are many venues that such classical game works but, honestly, they are starting to seem a minority for me.
Thoughts?
First, the setting:
Weekday parties for exchange students such as myself here in Honolulu are hot and cheap... meaning if you know the right places to go (Tuesday- Moose's Pub, Wednesday- Señor Frog, Thursday-Varsity; Friday to Sunday the options multiply) you are guaranteed to have a good crowd till late hours (the problem is getting up for class on the following day...)
It is being quite an experience for me, used to the alternative night scene in my native Rio de Janeiro, to hit this exceedingly multi-cultural/international setting that is Honolulu.
I've been learning a lot about myself and game. Some of the things that I've been considering are the practical aspects of "textbook game", that can loosely be defined (correct me if you may) in such simple steps as:
-Inner game
-Approach
-Conversation, where you introduce threads and routines that make the girl qualify herslef to you while you "demonstrate value"
-Escalate
-Isolate
-Close
I was used to some variation or other of the former as an up and coming player back home. I was working with a more "standard" crowd of Brazilian girls. Here where I am at now, the crowd is so varied and randomized that I feel that my own standard game cracks... just so you guys get a feeling of the diversity, tonight I approached and engaged in conversation ("ran game") on girls from the following backgrounds:
-Norwegian
-German
-Japanese
-Southeast asian-american (from DC!)
-Argentinian
-Uruguayan (she opened me, as I had some "t-shirt" game: my shirt had BUENOS FUCKING AIRES written on it, and she happen to have lived in BUENOS FUCKING AIRES)
-Australian
-Colombian
-American (from Reno, Nevada, and some others from elsewhere)
I might have forgotten some...
You can tell that I was doing some reasonable number of approaches, and got the German and Norwegian particularly engaged, haven't being able to re-open them later as I would usually do, as they had simply left.
I have this gauge of how I am doing, may it be good or not, where usually later on during the night I look around and ask myself "are people hooking up?", "how are girls responding to other guys?", "if there are any other guys doing better than me, what are they doing differently?"
Most of the time on these places I've been out to, the other guys aren't doing better than me, except for a few one or two, who ironically (not advocating anything here, please!) are insanely drunk Brazilian guys running grinding caveman game who just push it for the kiss like there is no tomorrow with almost nothing being said.
Even though I am Brazilian, caveman game has never been my forte. I am a confident conversationalist who likes to tease, lure and push-pull. While playing by the book things tend to go well, the only few guys here which I see getting some sort of consistent success are those running drunk grinding caveman game to its fullest. The best one I"ve seen at this (he is a good looking 8.5 Brazilian guy) even admitted to me that he is starting to get ill from all the drinking, but he still parties hardcore 4-5 times a week. More smooth conversationalist types like me, although getting some attention and... numbers... don't get the same results as a guy like that (even though I am by no means "bad looking").
Granted, most of the venues I've been here (like anywhere else I've been to, may I add!) there are more guys than girls. Guys who pedestalise women and stand for the white knighting crap that make girls's egos' go to skyrocketing heights, disturbing all the possible balance in the force, the "healthy" balance between girl-guy interaction.
Point being: textbook game, as described above, seems to be crumbling down and means nothing in some contexts. Threads? Converstation? Push-pull? Connection? Tease? No use.
What do you guys feel about this? I am sure that there are many venues that such classical game works but, honestly, they are starting to seem a minority for me.
Thoughts?