[Archivist]

Roosh just copied Mystery's protege Neil Strass.  Strauss wrote The Game, and Roosh rebooted his Bang book under the title Game.  Mostly, Roosh used viral hate-bait articles to attract traffic to his forum.  But the most highly repped posters were all poseurs, like MiXX (who lived with his mother), accused rapist MikeCF, deadbeat dad Mark Minter, and plagiarists like The GManifesto and NASA Test Pilot.  After the forum changes, many of the members stayed.  It is just a bunch of forum addicts and losers.

Roissy wrote about the "sexual apocalypse".  Women's incomes have increased, and women overtook men in college attendance in 1980.  So, many men have lost ground, especially men without graduate degrees.  In the 1950's, a mediocre white guy with a high school degree could get a secure job with a pension, marry an obedient wife, and achieve social standing.  Nowadays, lifetime employment is over.  A man risks becoming exploited, obese, and incel in a thankless cubicle job.  Roosh and Roissy emerged alongside many other blogs to discuss lifestyle strategies in the new economic and sexual landscape.

Rollo "The Rational Male" Tomassi gave decent advice.  He was originally motivated by his brother-in-law's suicide.  But Rollo has drifted away from those issues, and has archived his best early articles.

So what is left?  What did RVF produce of lasting value?  The travel forum was distinctive.  At least it attracted interesting men, instead of incels and PUA scammers.  But is the travel info that special?  Some men actually went abroad and found wives.  If anyone thinks the forum is worth saving, then maybe they should make a post with links to the best content.

[citron]

In the 1950's, a mediocre white guy with a high school degree could get a secure job with a pension, marry an obedient wife, and achieve social standing.  Nowadays, lifetime employment is over.  A man risks becoming exploited, obese, and incel in a thankless cubicle job.

I'm sure there is some sort of idealization in this idea. My grandparents are relatively wealthy but my grandpa worked 70h per week while my grandma was also working.
Is there any strong evidence that everything was so easy in the past? Maybe some autobiographic material... I liked the book "An American in the making, the life story of an immigrant", where a 16yo Romanian guy goes to the USA in early 1900s. He shares his stories about employments, education etc... nothing about women tho.

So what is left?  What did RVF produce of lasting value?  The travel forum was distinctive.  At least it attracted interesting men, instead of incels and PUA scammers.  But is the travel info that special?  Some men actually went abroad and found wives.  If anyone thinks the forum is worth saving, then maybe they should make a post with links to the best content.

There's a lot of interesting posts by The Fantasist, who surely was bald & bankrupt.

[Archivist]

Is there any strong evidence that everything was so easy in the past? 

There's a lot of interesting posts by The Fantasist, who surely was bald & bankrupt.

Women increased participation in college and labor force, and women's wage rose.  But wages of men without college degrees declined.  To quote D.C. Cab:  "Women have half the money and all the pussy."  So yes, in previous generations, it was pretty easy for the average Joe to get more education and money than the average Jane.  Single women had a precarious place economically and socially.  Without internet and smart phones, men couldn't spam approach.  If you were lucky enough to grow up near girls, then you might easily marry the girl next door.

After the sexual revolution and women's liberation, women could finally have sex without fear of pregnancy or STD's.  They didn't need men's money, and could choose exciting cads and alphas.

Bald and Bankrupt (Vorkuta/The Fantasist) has the top travel channel on Youtube.  He seems genuine and charming.  But his early posts across the internet had some sketchy stories about picking up young/destitute/drunk women.  If this is the cringey stuff he admits, what details did he omit?

Anyway, Bald and Bankrupt has his channel, which ironically he is discontinuing.  What is the role of this forum in organizing and preserving information?  People bemoaned the loss of information, but I'm struggling to see anything valuable.

[Free-based Expat]

Is there any strong evidence that everything was so easy in the past? 

There's a lot of interesting posts by The Fantasist, who surely was bald & bankrupt.

Women increased participation in college and labor force, and women's wage rose.  But wages of men without college degrees declined.  To quote D.C. Cab:  "Women have half the money and all the pussy."  So yes, in previous generations, it was pretty easy for the average Joe to get more education and money than the average Jane.  Single women had a precarious place economically and socially.  Without internet and smart phones, men couldn't spam approach.  If you were lucky enough to grow up near girls, then you might easily marry the girl next door.

After the sexual revolution and women's liberation, women could finally have sex without fear of pregnancy or STD's.  They didn't need men's money, and could choose exciting cads and alphas.

Bald and Bankrupt (Vorkuta/The Fantasist) has the top travel channel on Youtube.  He seems genuine and charming.  But his early posts across the internet had some sketchy stories about picking up young/destitute/drunk women.  If this is the cringey stuff he admits, what details did he omit?

Anyway, Bald and Bankrupt has his channel, which ironically he is discontinuing.  What is the role of this forum in organizing and preserving information?  People bemoaned the loss of information, but I'm struggling to see anything valuable.

I'm pretty sure B&B engaged in implied P4P but no one ever called him on it.

As to this site we need to generate hate clicks from RooshVforum DOT com and Swooptheworld DOT com to get more people inside. I'll do what I can to help, but as everyone knows, RVF has a shit ton of views, even though it is ex-manosphere. More could be done to promote on reddit, or perhaps an official twitter account.

The hard part is finding the members that were kicked from Roosh, and post a ton-- that's who we need contributing. Most of the work and post output comes from a small handful of people.

I'm active on STW for the past several years and posting and general activity has dropped precipitously. As ya'll know it's now privated from Search engine/ public view, and they've hid active member lists, so you know it's slowly dying. I believe also several of the owners dipped out, or checked out. Whoever was most active got it, which I think at this point now is Scoatian and Suits.

No one, fucking no one posts datasheets. It's gay, and I assume a lot of this value sharing happens in discord groups or Telegram chats. Stupid fucking gen-xers and millenials. Don't wanna share jack shit. Everything is siloing and becoming private now.

[PAG]

Is there any strong evidence that everything was so easy in the past? 

There's a lot of interesting posts by The Fantasist, who surely was bald & bankrupt.

Women increased participation in college and labor force, and women's wage rose.  But wages of men without college degrees declined.  To quote D.C. Cab:  "Women have half the money and all the pussy."  So yes, in previous generations, it was pretty easy for the average Joe to get more education and money than the average Jane.  Single women had a precarious place economically and socially.  Without internet and smart phones, men couldn't spam approach.  If you were lucky enough to grow up near girls, then you might easily marry the girl next door.

After the sexual revolution and women's liberation, women could finally have sex without fear of pregnancy or STD's.  They didn't need men's money, and could choose exciting cads and alphas.

Bald and Bankrupt (Vorkuta/The Fantasist) has the top travel channel on Youtube.  He seems genuine and charming.  But his early posts across the internet had some sketchy stories about picking up young/destitute/drunk women.  If this is the cringey stuff he admits, what details did he omit?

Anyway, Bald and Bankrupt has his channel, which ironically he is discontinuing.  What is the role of this forum in organizing and preserving information?  People bemoaned the loss of information, but I'm struggling to see anything valuable.

I'm pretty sure B&B engaged in implied P4P but no one ever called him on it.

As to this site we need to generate hate clicks from RooshVforum DOT com and Swooptheworld DOT com to get more people inside. I'll do what I can to help, but as everyone knows, RVF has a shit ton of views, even though it is ex-manosphere. More could be done to promote on reddit, or perhaps an official twitter account.

The hard part is finding the members that were kicked from Roosh, and post a ton-- that's who we need contributing. Most of the work and post output comes from a small handful of people.

I'm active on STW for the past several years and posting and general activity has dropped precipitously. As ya'll know it's now privated from Search engine/ public view, and they've hid active member lists, so you know it's slowly dying. I believe also several of the owners dipped out, or checked out. Whoever was most active got it, which I think at this point now is Scoatian and Suits.

No one, fucking no one posts datasheets. It's gay, and I assume a lot of this value sharing happens in discord groups or Telegram chats. Stupid fucking gen-xers and millenials. Don't wanna share jack shit. Everything is siloing and becoming private now.

Blah, just post this LINK on this Hwoop website: https://rooshvforum.network/thread-73311.html and ask them if this guy is a good representation of their little group.

[roberto]

It's 1000% worth saving.

I'm amazed to see that I've been a member 'here' since 2014. Met a few good guys through the forum before Judgement Day (shall we call it that? it fits!)

What RVF gave me I can never repay. It took me from being in an unhappy relationship with a girl below my standards to where I am now- five years into a relationship with a hot chick 8 years my junior. The journey was an awful lot of fun too, and I still look back on illicit photos fondly Lost count of my notches, had some great times and learnt a lot about women too. At the time we were all saying how hard things like Tinder were getting- how hard is it now??


The younger generation need mentoring more than ever. What I learnt about body language, working out and game has changed my life. I want to see those glory days return, not specifically for my gratification, but for those who never got the chance. We've lost some absoloutely incredible posters since Judgement Day. I can never fill their boots, but I can help in other ways.

I guess the main thing is how to get the word out, how to drive more traffic. Without a charasmatic figurehead like the Roosh of old, courting controversy for fantastic publicity, this might prove difficult. Perhaps the best way forward might be through search engines? Funny story- I found the forum years ago searching for some obscure porn. Straight away, I read things about the dynamic between men and women that made sense but that nobody had ever explained to 25 year old me. Of course, now I know that was the Red Pill. I was hooked.

I'll have a poke around and try to find some golden old threads to bump. I was never so much into the travel side, but the self improvement and game threads are incredible.

Major props to Citron for getting this going.

[bigmac]

Yo,

RVF is beyond saving but... what you can do is create the next travel and game forum and with new posters you gonna get a new culture. A forum is only as good as its contributors and you have to separate those who contribute value from those who take value.

I say to maximise the value in the forum keep the politics, religion and race talk out. Those contributors/trolls take value from the forum. I would never contribute value to forum where the discussion was discriminatory and I know many others who wouldn't either. Personally, I'd dump the unnecessary threads into zip file and delete them from here.

Just my two cents.

[PAG]

Yo,

RVF is beyond saving but... what you can do is create the next travel and game forum and with new posters you gonna get a new culture. A forum is only as good as its contributors and you have to separate those who contribute value from those who take value.

I say to maximise the value in the forum keep the politics, religion and race talk out. Those contributors/trolls take value from the forum. I would never contribute value to forum where the discussion was discriminatory and I know many others who wouldn't either. Personally, I'd dump the unnecessary threads into zip file and delete them from here.

Just my two cents.

Yes, this is correct. RVF is done. I am a fan of Culture Whiz myself, a wonderful platform with tons of information. I routinely peruse the trip report section at https://culturewhiz.org/travel-reports for relevant travel info. It is run by an ex-male model who is also a brilliant and charismatic tech millionaire.

Everything else I've seen is shit, including this forum

[Sandstorm]

Yo,

RVF is beyond saving but... what you can do is create the next travel and game forum and with new posters you gonna get a new culture. A forum is only as good as its contributors and you have to separate those who contribute value from those who take value.

I say to maximise the value in the forum keep the politics, religion and race talk out. Those contributors/trolls take value from the forum. I would never contribute value to forum where the discussion was discriminatory and I know many others who wouldn't either. Personally, I'd dump the unnecessary threads into zip file and delete them from here.

Just my two cents.

"I would never contribute value to forum where the discussion was discriminatory"

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It's just about banging chicks, dude.... no need to bring out the heavy data graphs to prove that women have more degrees and jobs than before! (WGAF??)

The forum, especially the travel section / meetup, was so useful.

Yeah it caused some problems like certain cities getting washed-out by hoards of guys going there based off advice in this forum but overall it was worth it!

When Roosh pulled the plug, it was a disaster - hats off to Citron for his work, a champ!

Trust me - word will get around very quickly that it's back up, it will re-attract some of the old crowd and new ones too.

In a post-covid-scam world, this is just what the doctor ordered!

Let the banging commence!

[bigmac]

Yo,

RVF is beyond saving but... what you can do is create the next travel and game forum and with new posters you gonna get a new culture. A forum is only as good as its contributors and you have to separate those who contribute value from those who take value.

I say to maximise the value in the forum keep the politics, religion and race talk out. Those contributors/trolls take value from the forum. I would never contribute value to forum where the discussion was discriminatory and I know many others who wouldn't either. Personally, I'd dump the unnecessary threads into zip file and delete them from here.

Just my two cents.

"I would never contribute value to forum where the discussion was discriminatory"

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It's just about banging chicks, dude.... no need to bring out the heavy data graphs to prove that women have more degrees and jobs than before! (WGAF??)

The forum, especially the travel section / meetup, was so useful.

Yeah it caused some problems like certain cities getting washed-out by hoards of guys going there based off advice in this forum but overall it was worth it!

When Roosh pulled the plug, it was a disaster - hats off to Citron for his work, a champ!

Trust me - word will get around very quickly that it's back up, it will re-attract some of the old crowd and new ones too.

In a post-covid-scam world, this is just what the doctor ordered!

Let the banging commence!

You speak like this IRL?

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Anyways,

My point about keeping the eccentrics and their talk out is because they are not very healthy or hetero causes. Incel and racist talk isn't cool at all, conspiracy and anti-vaxx theories are fucking wack, anti-LGBT just creates enemies out of normal people for no good reason.

Last time I checked Roosh was banned from all of social media and payment processors. This isn't something a healthy man would aspire to, no offence to Roosh, let him have his personal battles.

Politics just isn't very travel and game friendly.

Do you know anyone who wants their content next Pepes and other racist shit? Not me

[PAG]

Yo,

RVF is beyond saving but... what you can do is create the next travel and game forum and with new posters you gonna get a new culture. A forum is only as good as its contributors and you have to separate those who contribute value from those who take value.

I say to maximise the value in the forum keep the politics, religion and race talk out. Those contributors/trolls take value from the forum. I would never contribute value to forum where the discussion was discriminatory and I know many others who wouldn't either. Personally, I'd dump the unnecessary threads into zip file and delete them from here.

Just my two cents.

"I would never contribute value to forum where the discussion was discriminatory"

---

It's just about banging chicks, dude.... no need to bring out the heavy data graphs to prove that women have more degrees and jobs than before! (WGAF??)

The forum, especially the travel section / meetup, was so useful.

Yeah it caused some problems like certain cities getting washed-out by hoards of guys going there based off advice in this forum but overall it was worth it!

When Roosh pulled the plug, it was a disaster - hats off to Citron for his work, a champ!

Trust me - word will get around very quickly that it's back up, it will re-attract some of the old crowd and new ones too.

In a post-covid-scam world, this is just what the doctor ordered!

Let the banging commence!

You speak like this IRL?

---

Anyways,

My point about keeping the eccentrics and their talk out is because they are not very healthy or hetero causes. Incel and racist talk isn't cool at all, conspiracy and anti-vaxx theories are fucking wack, anti-LGBT just creates enemies out of normal people for no good reason.

Last time I checked Roosh was banned from all of social media and payment processors. This isn't something a healthy man would aspire to, no offence to Roosh, let him have his personal battles.

Politics just isn't very travel and game friendly.

Do you know anyone who wants their content next Pepes and other racist shit? Not me

Poor health is one of the reasons why right-wingers are continually angry and irritable. Hypersensitivity and negative thinking are signs of brain disease. To the degree that for autistic qualities to be expressed it takes twice as much DNA fragment damage to be present in the brain. Seriously, being an open-minded, curious individual who is eager to listen and learn means your healthy and will boost your "game" by a factor of 20. The majority of these individuals in the Manosphere are seeking shortcuts to avoid dealing with their poor health, which causes them to be unpleasant, close-minded assholes that healthy women avoid at all costs. Once again, "game" is just being a "cool" guy. I'll explain this later. 

~Genius

[TtR]

For me the great value of RVF was that it was a safe space for men for a wide range of lifestyles/views, with men working hard to be better at whatever they were chasing at life.

I was disappointed watching it slide into politics (where there will never be a right answer). I do think politics and race are not subjects that men that are interested in self-improvement should engage in, and it would be great if they weren't allowed. I stopped posting there and switched to lurking because the old forum shifted to generating hot air. That said, I still felt the loss when Roosh decided to burn the whole thing down.

I respect that Roosh has been saved by Jesus, he seems much happier based on his blog posts.

I would like the (old) forum to carry on without him, so I was pleasantly suprised to find citron had revived it. Thank you very much citron! I do hope this forum (again) attracts the kind of high caliber men that the old forum managed to attract.

I remember joining the forum specifically because of a user called WorldWideGlobal, whose posts were so amazing that I knew I needed to be in the same 'room' as him.

I haven't answered the question of this thread though - yes, it's worth reviving, because no where could you get such high quality and frank advice as on the old forum, and I have missed it greatly. I was not raised to be a 'man', and in a way the forum was my surrogate father, uncle, big brother, etc. In some ways I managed to pay things back to users who were undergoing the same struggles I had.

As much as I am not interested in game/travel at this stage in my life, I am always keen on self-improvement and in particular my ever poor social skills, and I look forward to once again contributing and getting to know a new generation of men becoming great.

I decided not to reactivate my old account, as the name of my old account was actually too suggestive of who I was, but it should be fairly obvious to anyone who was read my posts at a time when I was active.

I look forward to seeing where this forum goes!

[citron]

I was disappointed watching it slide into politics (where there will never be a right answer). I do think politics and race are not subjects that men that are interested in self-improvement should engage in, and it would be great if they weren't allowed.

That's true. I don't mind a little bit of politics and a little bit of race talk, but sadly most people who engage in that are way too wholeheartedly racist/leftwing/rightwing and preach/spam their opinions just like middle-age religious zealots would do.
However for now I'm gonna be tolerant because we don't have much members...  

Welcome back on the board TtR!

[PAG]

For me the great value of RVF was that it was a safe space for men for a wide range of lifestyles/views, with men working hard to be better at whatever they were chasing at life.

I was disappointed watching it slide into politics (where there will never be a right answer). I do think politics and race are not subjects that men that are interested in self-improvement should engage in, and it would be great if they weren't allowed. I stopped posting there and switched to lurking because the old forum shifted to generating hot air. That said, I still felt the loss when Roosh decided to burn the whole thing down.

I respect that Roosh has been saved by Jesus, he seems much happier based on his blog posts.

I would like the (old) forum to carry on without him, so I was pleasantly suprised to find citron had revived it. Thank you very much citron! I do hope this forum (again) attracts the kind of high caliber men that the old forum managed to attract.

I remember joining the forum specifically because of a user called WorldWideGlobal, whose posts were so amazing that I knew I needed to be in the same 'room' as him.

I haven't answered the question of this thread though - yes, it's worth reviving, because no where could you get such high quality and frank advice as on the old forum, and I have missed it greatly. I was not raised to be a 'man', and in a way the forum was my surrogate father, uncle, big brother, etc. In some ways I managed to pay things back to users who were undergoing the same struggles I had.

As much as I am not interested in game/travel at this stage in my life, I am always keen on self-improvement and in particular my ever poor social skills, and I look forward to once again contributing and getting to know a new generation of men becoming great.

I decided not to reactivate my old account, as the name of my old account was actually too suggestive of who I was, but it should be fairly obvious to anyone who was read my posts at a time when I was active.

I look forward to seeing where this forum goes!

On the basis of your above comments, I believe you should consider purchasing a sexuality test from either Target or Walmart. Possibly what you need is not self-improvement but a new identity. Any normal male viewing RVF would instantly conclude that it is worthless 

[roberto]

For me the great value of RVF was that it was a safe space for men for a wide range of lifestyles/views, with men working hard to be better at whatever they were chasing at life.

I was disappointed watching it slide into politics (where there will never be a right answer). I do think politics and race are not subjects that men that are interested in self-improvement should engage in, and it would be great if they weren't allowed. I stopped posting there and switched to lurking because the old forum shifted to generating hot air. That said, I still felt the loss when Roosh decided to burn the whole thing down.

I respect that Roosh has been saved by Jesus, he seems much happier based on his blog posts.

I would like the (old) forum to carry on without him, so I was pleasantly suprised to find citron had revived it. Thank you very much citron! I do hope this forum (again) attracts the kind of high caliber men that the old forum managed to attract.

I remember joining the forum specifically because of a user called WorldWideGlobal, whose posts were so amazing that I knew I needed to be in the same 'room' as him.

I haven't answered the question of this thread though - yes, it's worth reviving, because no where could you get such high quality and frank advice as on the old forum, and I have missed it greatly. I was not raised to be a 'man', and in a way the forum was my surrogate father, uncle, big brother, etc. In some ways I managed to pay things back to users who were undergoing the same struggles I had.

As much as I am not interested in game/travel at this stage in my life, I am always keen on self-improvement and in particular my ever poor social skills, and I look forward to once again contributing and getting to know a new generation of men becoming great.

I decided not to reactivate my old account, as the name of my old account was actually too suggestive of who I was, but it should be fairly obvious to anyone who was read my posts at a time when I was active.

I look forward to seeing where this forum goes!

On the basis of your above comments, I believe you should consider purchasing a sexuality test from either Target or Walmart. Possibly what you need is not self-improvement but a new identity. Any normal male viewing RVF would instantly conclude that it is worthless 

Mate, not everyone can be a jacked alpha male like you. Plenty of lads are born into shitty dysfunctional single mother households with no male role models whatsoever to guide them. RVF may not have been able to help in some cases, but in others it's been rewarding watching and helping in some small way. Knowing that you changed a guys life for the better. Hell, I had my life changed for the better. I wasn't always good around girls.

There's tons of travel info on other forums. Whilst that was a great part of RVF, the self improvement section was absoloutely golden. Hundreds of men offering actionable advice on everything from fitness to diet to game. Supporting and rooting for others, dragging them up to their level rather than dragging them down like crabs in a bucket.

That's whats missing these days from every similar forum.

[Slickyboy_OG]

Roosh just copied Mystery's protege Neil Strass.  Strauss wrote The Game, and Roosh rebooted his Bang book under the title Game.  Mostly, Roosh used viral hate-bait articles to attract traffic to his forum.  But the most highly repped posters were all poseurs, like MiXX (who lived with his mother), accused rapist MikeCF, deadbeat dad Mark Minter, and plagiarists like The GManifesto and NASA Test Pilot.  After the forum changes, many of the members stayed.  It is just a bunch of forum addicts and losers.

Roissy wrote about the "sexual apocalypse".  Women's incomes have increased, and women overtook men in college attendance in 1980.  So, many men have lost ground, especially men without graduate degrees.  In the 1950's, a mediocre white guy with a high school degree could get a secure job with a pension, marry an obedient wife, and achieve social standing.  Nowadays, lifetime employment is over.  A man risks becoming exploited, obese, and incel in a thankless cubicle job.  Roosh and Roissy emerged alongside many other blogs to discuss lifestyle strategies in the new economic and sexual landscape.

Rollo "The Rational Male" Tomassi gave decent advice.  He was originally motivated by his brother-in-law's suicide.  But Rollo has drifted away from those issues, and has archived his best early articles.

So what is left?  What did RVF produce of lasting value?  The travel forum was distinctive.  At least it attracted interesting men, instead of incels and PUA scammers.  But is the travel info that special?  Some men actually went abroad and found wives.  If anyone thinks the forum is worth saving, then maybe they should make a post with links to the best content.

I knew about MikeCF being a fraud just looking for the next way to get his face online. He's always been a fake; good riddance. Also was on RVF when NTP started posting all kinds of outrageous shit and managed to get more "reps" for whatever that was worth, until one day someone got suspicious and checked wikipedia, finding the articles he cribbed into posts. Epic move, he disappeared. I didn't know much about Gmanifesto other than he larped as a Miami body builder and kept bragging about slaying 9s, etc. He never posted any pictures, oddly enough. 

I did not know about Rollo archiving his older blog posts, but I am not surprised. His YT channel turned into a stupid soap opera with tattooed fatties arguing over retarded topics in half profanity, half illiterate semi-English. A train wreck to watch, but the incels love it I guess. Roissy (or someone in his place) still posts on twitter, but those could be just repeat posts. He was right about the sexual apocalypse and it is only getting worse. 

Though I still frequent the revised RVF now and again, over time it gets less useful as Roosh finds new theological ways to justify cutting off discussion and turning himself into an introvert. As of December, he won't even allow protestant and catholic discussion sub forums. His first mistake after the revamp was to allow women into the forum. The crisis in Christianity is a deficit of male leadership, not lack of female participation, and this change does not help. The new male forum members are misguided plugged in virgins with no real world experience - they will get slayed the minute some single mom shakes her ass at them. It's his forum though, so whatever. If he finds me over here and kicks me off of there as a result, so be it. 

Meanwhile, I am glad this version is back and may re-open my original account here. One other thing - this is old forum software. Is there any plan to use the updated version of wordpress or whatever it is that Roosh switched to? There could be security concerns with this older version.

[PAG]

For me the great value of RVF was that it was a safe space for men for a wide range of lifestyles/views, with men working hard to be better at whatever they were chasing at life.

I was disappointed watching it slide into politics (where there will never be a right answer). I do think politics and race are not subjects that men that are interested in self-improvement should engage in, and it would be great if they weren't allowed. I stopped posting there and switched to lurking because the old forum shifted to generating hot air. That said, I still felt the loss when Roosh decided to burn the whole thing down.

I respect that Roosh has been saved by Jesus, he seems much happier based on his blog posts.

I would like the (old) forum to carry on without him, so I was pleasantly suprised to find citron had revived it. Thank you very much citron! I do hope this forum (again) attracts the kind of high caliber men that the old forum managed to attract.

I remember joining the forum specifically because of a user called WorldWideGlobal, whose posts were so amazing that I knew I needed to be in the same 'room' as him.

I haven't answered the question of this thread though - yes, it's worth reviving, because no where could you get such high quality and frank advice as on the old forum, and I have missed it greatly. I was not raised to be a 'man', and in a way the forum was my surrogate father, uncle, big brother, etc. In some ways I managed to pay things back to users who were undergoing the same struggles I had.

As much as I am not interested in game/travel at this stage in my life, I am always keen on self-improvement and in particular my ever poor social skills, and I look forward to once again contributing and getting to know a new generation of men becoming great.

I decided not to reactivate my old account, as the name of my old account was actually too suggestive of who I was, but it should be fairly obvious to anyone who was read my posts at a time when I was active.

I look forward to seeing where this forum goes!

On the basis of your above comments, I believe you should consider purchasing a sexuality test from either Target or Walmart. Possibly what you need is not self-improvement but a new identity. Any normal male viewing RVF would instantly conclude that it is worthless 

Mate, not everyone can be a jacked alpha male like you. Plenty of lads are born into shitty dysfunctional single mother households with no male role models whatsoever to guide them. RVF may not have been able to help in some cases, but in others it's been rewarding watching and helping in some small way. Knowing that you changed a guys life for the better. Hell, I had my life changed for the better. I wasn't always good around girls.

There's tons of travel info on other forums. Whilst that was a great part of RVF, the self improvement section was absoloutely golden. Hundreds of men offering actionable advice on everything from fitness to diet to game. Supporting and rooting for others, dragging them up to their level rather than dragging them down like crabs in a bucket.

That's whats missing these days from every similar forum.

Yes, the first part is accurate, a self-improvement forum would be a terrific idea, but it must be led by intelligent, healthy men who are typically out living life not writing 1000s of post per day, which is why I advise a big number of men to acquire a new sexual identity. It would be a lot easier for them. Unfortunately, the majority of this forum's content is designed and geared toward the mentally handicapped, and is therefore harmful to regular, healthy guys. Normal men, for instance, would realize after a period of time that online dating is for social rejects and move on, but here, you have folks with mental disabilities advocating doubling down and other rubbish, as wonderfully described in this essay: 

https://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/what...manosphere

[roberto]

For me the great value of RVF was that it was a safe space for men for a wide range of lifestyles/views, with men working hard to be better at whatever they were chasing at life.

I was disappointed watching it slide into politics (where there will never be a right answer). I do think politics and race are not subjects that men that are interested in self-improvement should engage in, and it would be great if they weren't allowed. I stopped posting there and switched to lurking because the old forum shifted to generating hot air. That said, I still felt the loss when Roosh decided to burn the whole thing down.

I respect that Roosh has been saved by Jesus, he seems much happier based on his blog posts.

I would like the (old) forum to carry on without him, so I was pleasantly suprised to find citron had revived it. Thank you very much citron! I do hope this forum (again) attracts the kind of high caliber men that the old forum managed to attract.

I remember joining the forum specifically because of a user called WorldWideGlobal, whose posts were so amazing that I knew I needed to be in the same 'room' as him.

I haven't answered the question of this thread though - yes, it's worth reviving, because no where could you get such high quality and frank advice as on the old forum, and I have missed it greatly. I was not raised to be a 'man', and in a way the forum was my surrogate father, uncle, big brother, etc. In some ways I managed to pay things back to users who were undergoing the same struggles I had.

As much as I am not interested in game/travel at this stage in my life, I am always keen on self-improvement and in particular my ever poor social skills, and I look forward to once again contributing and getting to know a new generation of men becoming great.

I decided not to reactivate my old account, as the name of my old account was actually too suggestive of who I was, but it should be fairly obvious to anyone who was read my posts at a time when I was active.

I look forward to seeing where this forum goes!

On the basis of your above comments, I believe you should consider purchasing a sexuality test from either Target or Walmart. Possibly what you need is not self-improvement but a new identity. Any normal male viewing RVF would instantly conclude that it is worthless 

Mate, not everyone can be a jacked alpha male like you. Plenty of lads are born into shitty dysfunctional single mother households with no male role models whatsoever to guide them. RVF may not have been able to help in some cases, but in others it's been rewarding watching and helping in some small way. Knowing that you changed a guys life for the better. Hell, I had my life changed for the better. I wasn't always good around girls.

There's tons of travel info on other forums. Whilst that was a great part of RVF, the self improvement section was absoloutely golden. Hundreds of men offering actionable advice on everything from fitness to diet to game. Supporting and rooting for others, dragging them up to their level rather than dragging them down like crabs in a bucket.

That's whats missing these days from every similar forum.

Yes, the first part is accurate, a self-improvement forum would be a terrific idea, but it must be led by intelligent, healthy men who are typically out living life not writing 1000s of post per day, which is why I advise a big number of men to acquire a new sexual identity. It would be a lot easier for them. Unfortunately, the majority of this forum's content is designed and geared toward the mentally handicapped, and is therefore harmful to regular, healthy guys. Normal men, for instance, would realize after a period of time that online dating is for social rejects and move on, but here, you have folks with mental disabilities advocating doubling down and other rubbish, as wonderfully described in this essay: 

https://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/what...manosphere

I think you're missing the point. The RFV of old had self improvement threads either by the men you describe, or with solid contributions from. The very first thing any socially awkward lad was told upon signing up and asking 'how do I become more confident and get girls' was- lift heavy and eat right. That's literally the basis for any transformation of body and soul- yes, many couldn't get past this and devolved into mental masturbation, but for those that did the forum was a lifeline. I want that old forum back, not the mental masturbation. Possibly you haven't read back far enough in the forum's hisotry before it all got political?

Online dating back in the day was huge- I don't know about now, as I scored a 9 from online dating and we've been together five years now. I put that all down to RVF- obviously also to the work I put in also, but without RVF pointing me in the right direction I'd be just another lost young man. There were great threads about online dating, and solid actionable advice. It was a fun place. A less serious place. Then the 'black pill' came along and it all went political from there I suppose.

[Slickyboy_OG]

I think it was a poster named Samseau (sp?) who called it a while ago - that inevitably the discussion about mate selection/women will become political. He wasn't wrong. 

And yeah, like so many other new things, when dating apps first came out they were huge, but it did not take long before they too went the way of craigslist. Another poster mentioned "those apps are not for you, they are for HER," illustrating the increasingly diminishing returns from such time sinks. All that is by design, if you consider who makes and supports those apps.

There's ways to game them, sure, but your ROI is still pretty slim. Some girl posted her stats from Tinder (not sure how she downloaded them), and the guy who finally hooked up was one of thousands who she initially screened. She wasn't even all that hot, IIRC. Are you kidding me? Get a real life and let them come to you. 

Rich Cooper did a video he called the manoswamp which pointed out what so much of it turned into. Worth a look https:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieAgPosJwHI

I am not at all surprised things went the way that they did; grifters gotta grift.

[TtR]

On the basis of your above comments, I believe you should consider purchasing a sexuality test from either Target or Walmart. Possibly what you need is not self-improvement but a new identity. Any normal male viewing RVF would instantly conclude that it is worthless 

Wow, I didn't realise that I should do that! Thank you so much PAG for your advice.

I took your advice and did a sexuality test. I was disturbed by the result but I realised that it was correct and that I have lived my life in denial.

The test result was....

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....



....


Wait for it....

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....


....

The test result was that my sexual orientation is that of an Attack Helicopter.

Thank you so much PAG, if it hadn't been for you, I would never have known.

Sadly the original post that introduced this sexual orientation seems to have been lost, but a snippet of it is still quoted here:
https://rooshvforum.network/thread-53264.html

[PAG]

For me the great value of RVF was that it was a safe space for men for a wide range of lifestyles/views, with men working hard to be better at whatever they were chasing at life.

I was disappointed watching it slide into politics (where there will never be a right answer). I do think politics and race are not subjects that men that are interested in self-improvement should engage in, and it would be great if they weren't allowed. I stopped posting there and switched to lurking because the old forum shifted to generating hot air. That said, I still felt the loss when Roosh decided to burn the whole thing down.

I respect that Roosh has been saved by Jesus, he seems much happier based on his blog posts.

I would like the (old) forum to carry on without him, so I was pleasantly suprised to find citron had revived it. Thank you very much citron! I do hope this forum (again) attracts the kind of high caliber men that the old forum managed to attract.

I remember joining the forum specifically because of a user called WorldWideGlobal, whose posts were so amazing that I knew I needed to be in the same 'room' as him.

I haven't answered the question of this thread though - yes, it's worth reviving, because no where could you get such high quality and frank advice as on the old forum, and I have missed it greatly. I was not raised to be a 'man', and in a way the forum was my surrogate father, uncle, big brother, etc. In some ways I managed to pay things back to users who were undergoing the same struggles I had.

As much as I am not interested in game/travel at this stage in my life, I am always keen on self-improvement and in particular my ever poor social skills, and I look forward to once again contributing and getting to know a new generation of men becoming great.

I decided not to reactivate my old account, as the name of my old account was actually too suggestive of who I was, but it should be fairly obvious to anyone who was read my posts at a time when I was active.

I look forward to seeing where this forum goes!

On the basis of your above comments, I believe you should consider purchasing a sexuality test from either Target or Walmart. Possibly what you need is not self-improvement but a new identity. Any normal male viewing RVF would instantly conclude that it is worthless 

Mate, not everyone can be a jacked alpha male like you. Plenty of lads are born into shitty dysfunctional single mother households with no male role models whatsoever to guide them. RVF may not have been able to help in some cases, but in others it's been rewarding watching and helping in some small way. Knowing that you changed a guys life for the better. Hell, I had my life changed for the better. I wasn't always good around girls.

There's tons of travel info on other forums. Whilst that was a great part of RVF, the self improvement section was absoloutely golden. Hundreds of men offering actionable advice on everything from fitness to diet to game. Supporting and rooting for others, dragging them up to their level rather than dragging them down like crabs in a bucket.

That's whats missing these days from every similar forum.

Yes, the first part is accurate, a self-improvement forum would be a terrific idea, but it must be led by intelligent, healthy men who are typically out living life not writing 1000s of post per day, which is why I advise a big number of men to acquire a new sexual identity. It would be a lot easier for them. Unfortunately, the majority of this forum's content is designed and geared toward the mentally handicapped, and is therefore harmful to regular, healthy guys. Normal men, for instance, would realize after a period of time that online dating is for social rejects and move on, but here, you have folks with mental disabilities advocating doubling down and other rubbish, as wonderfully described in this essay: 

https://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/what...manosphere

I think you're missing the point. The RFV of old had self improvement threads either by the men you describe, or with solid contributions from. The very first thing any socially awkward lad was told upon signing up and asking 'how do I become more confident and get girls' was- lift heavy and eat right. That's literally the basis for any transformation of body and soul- yes, many couldn't get past this and devolved into mental masturbation, but for those that did the forum was a lifeline. I want that old forum back, not the mental masturbation. Possibly you haven't read back far enough in the forum's hisotry before it all got political?

Online dating back in the day was huge- I don't know about now, as I scored a 9 from online dating and we've been together five years now. I put that all down to RVF- obviously also to the work I put in also, but without RVF pointing me in the right direction I'd be just another lost young man. There were great threads about online dating, and solid actionable advice. It was a fun place. A less serious place. Then the 'black pill' came along and it all went political from there I suppose.

Umm yeah, the foundation for any body and soul transformation should be based on a Gut microbiome health and disease profile. Do you know what that means? See: https://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/gut-...nd-disease If you don't begin there, you'll end up with hideous abnormalities posing as normal and calling their philosophies "pills".

Sure, men have more health problems if they don't maintain muscles to support their immune system, which is weaker than a woman's. Females have two sets of immune system repair and stability of energy pathways to defend against energy or byproduct. As a result, there are generally fewer females on the autism spectrum. However, muscles are only part of the equation. Unfortunately, this forum is based on obsolete information that will only lead to a black hole.

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I think it was a poster named Samseau (sp?) who called it a while ago - that inevitably the discussion about mate selection/women will become political. He wasn't wrong. 

And yeah, like so many other new things, when dating apps first came out they were huge, but it did not take long before they too went the way of craigslist. Another poster mentioned "those apps are not for you, they are for HER," illustrating the increasingly diminishing returns from such time sinks. All that is by design, if you consider who makes and supports those apps.

There's ways to game them, sure, but your ROI is still pretty slim. Some girl posted her stats from Tinder (not sure how she downloaded them), and the guy who finally hooked up was one of thousands who she initially screened. She wasn't even all that hot, IIRC. Are you kidding me? Get a real life and let them come to you. 

Rich Cooper did a video he called the manoswamp which pointed out what so much of it turned into. Worth a look https:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieAgPosJwHI

I am not at all surprised things went the way that they did; grifters gotta grift.

I bet this guy Samseau couldn't lift 50 lb and I could bust his mouth open unchallenged. In fact, he was wrong. Any discussion about mate selection/women that becomes political involves a weak man who does not seek to assert his will through overwhelming strength, but rather through deliberate subversion. His tactics are motivated by feminine weakness, vindictiveness and jealousy, and he seeks to enslave the powerful and weaken his power by luring him into a web of folly that assaults or contradicts reality. The rest of your bit I agree with 

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On the basis of your above comments, I believe you should consider purchasing a sexuality test from either Target or Walmart. Possibly what you need is not self-improvement but a new identity. Any normal male viewing RVF would instantly conclude that it is worthless 

Wow, I didn't realise that I should do that! Thank you so much PAG for your advice.

I took your advice and did a sexuality test. I was disturbed by the result but I realised that it was correct and that I have lived my life in denial.

The test result was....

....

....



....


Wait for it....

....

....


....

The test result was that my sexual orientation is that of an Attack Helicopter.

Thank you so much PAG, if it hadn't been for you, I would never have known.

Sadly the original post that introduced this sexual orientation seems to have been lost, but a snippet of it is still quoted here:
https://rooshvforum.network/thread-53264.html

Umm, I'm guessing that is a topper? 

[Slickyboy_OG]

I think you misunderstand - he meant that the longer the forum discussed the sexual marketplace, eventually it would come around to the reasons why it is the way it is - feminism, etc. This would eventually lead to political theories coming out. 

But yeah, I don't recall him posting much in the game threads, nor do I think he fancies himself a badass.

As to the thread question is this forum worth saving, sure it is, but I don't think it will ever be the same. People moved on from forums and blogs to different social media formats and aren't likely to come back. This article covers it, mostly: https://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/ode-internet-forums

There are disadvantages to that; facebook blows and will ban even secret groups talking about unapproved subjects (everything discussed here). Reddit has similar problems and too many neckbeards anyway. Telegram is okay for small groups, but good luck finding an old post/subject. Discord may be much better. Not sure of any similar groups going on over there, though.

Anyway yeah, this place could still be useful I just wouldn't expect a massive return of high quality posters from the original forum.

And as far as the long winded PhD who wrote this essay goes:
https://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/what...manosphere
I would be surprised if he's ever been laid in his life. Maybe it's just a vibe, but he comes off a bit weird.

[citron]

Meanwhile, I am glad this version is back and may re-open my original account here. One other thing - this is old forum software. Is there any plan to use the updated version of wordpress or whatever it is that Roosh switched to? There could be security concerns with this older version.

It's MyBB software, it is still up-to-date.
Roosh switched to XenForo shortly after his conversion. It costs minimum 160$, for now I'm not gonna buy it.

[roberto]

Umm yeah, the foundation for any body and soul transformation should be based on a Gut microbiome health and disease profile. Do you know what that means? See: https://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/gut-...nd-disease If you don't begin there, you'll end up with hideous abnormalities posing as normal and calling their philosophies "pills".


That's a good link. Gut biome is something I'm very interested in. I've only taken antibiotics once in my adult life. I try to eat gluten free and Paleo. Made my own fire cider (apple cider vinegar and ginger, tumeric, etc) and also my own kefir. Recently I'm trying intermittant fasting again with a very short window (4 hours) .

I'd be interested in a datasheet on this from you.

[PAG]

I think you misunderstand - he meant that the longer the forum discussed the sexual marketplace, eventually it would come around to the reasons why it is the way it is - feminism, etc. This would eventually lead to political theories coming out. 

But yeah, I don't recall him posting much in the game threads, nor do I think he fancies himself a badass.

As to the thread question is this forum worth saving, sure it is, but I don't think it will ever be the same. People moved on from forums and blogs to different social media formats and aren't likely to come back. This article covers it, mostly: https://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/ode-internet-forums

There are disadvantages to that; facebook blows and will ban even secret groups talking about unapproved subjects (everything discussed here). Reddit has similar problems and too many neckbeards anyway. Telegram is okay for small groups, but good luck finding an old post/subject. Discord may be much better. Not sure of any similar groups going on over there, though.

Anyway yeah, this place could still be useful I just wouldn't expect a massive return of high quality posters from the original forum.

And as far as the long winded PhD who wrote this essay goes:
https://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/what...manosphere
I would be surprised if he's ever been laid in his life. Maybe it's just a vibe, but he comes off a bit weird.

That sounds plausible, yet he is still in error. Most political views are founded on "theories/feelings" not human biology. Thus this type of thought has no place in the study of human nature. This individual you named demonstrates shocking cultural illiteracy comparable to mental retardation. The so-called "sexual marketplace" is straightforward to comprehend if one studies the appropriate materials. The sexual marketplace is predominantly governed by evolutionary biology:

https://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/how-...ract-women

After gaining a basic understanding of biology, cognitive psychology, the philosophy of science, and the philosophy of mind, the vast majority of this content here will appear to be complete nonsense. For instance, I routinely hear people assert that Jews are the biggest problem in the world. However, this is not serious thought. The biggest problem in the world today is messed up intestinal bacteria. To keep people safe and well, intelligently aware, and, most crucially, able to plan for the future, we require a comprehensive global health and public well-being policy program. You will have no problems if you eliminate diseases that cause negativity and the reasons why individuals cannot and do not think about long-term goals. Healthy people, even children, pursue long-term goals, career goals, or fantasy goals (owning lots of expensive cars, being a major league baseball player, etc.)... having a family is a long-term goal that the majority of healthy people have, whereas the less healthy ones don't seem to want a family... strange. Negative people rarely have families, unless they are religious, and when they do, their families are dysfunctional, which discourages their children from wanting families. IF WE TRULY WANT TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF VICTIMS AND PREVENT PEOPLE FROM BECOMING PSYCHOTIC, SCHIZOPHRENIC, VIOLENT, DRUG DEPENDENT, AND ALCOHOLIC WITH BROKEN MINDS, WE MUST DO THIS.

If children grow up paranoid and anxious and never plan something long term or have long term goals, they do whatever they want and never do anything with their lives other than grab things without considering the consequences, it's all downhill from there... the brain demonstrates this with a decrease in prefrontal cortex activity or damage from infections (bad immune system).

The same holds true for police officers and malnutrition; if you give these individuals with little impulse control a badge, what do you expect? It makes no difference what color their skin is; they all show the same lack of long-term vision and lack of ambitions that prevent people from going crazy (maybe long term goals are an indicator of long term health, idk). You wonder why these people are so crazy and violent due to a lack of socialization and friends? I'm just wondering where it all starts.

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That's a good link. Gut biome is something I'm very interested in. I've only taken antibiotics once in my adult life. I try to eat gluten free and Paleo. Made my own fire cider (apple cider vinegar and ginger, tumeric, etc) and also my own kefir. Recently I'm trying intermittant fasting again with a very short window (4 hours) .

I'd be interested in a datasheet on this from you.

See: https://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/summ...l-research