[Artique]

No one is saying it didn't help. We just have a different idea of the value it offered. Dude if you are in your 40s and have completely failed in the west like in the apocalyptic scenario you are describing then I got really bad news for you. You are going to get eaten alive in SEA. Really it is going to be so bad you will end up sleeping with ladyboys while deluding yourself to be some sort of 'true player'. Even normal women there are looking for green card. You are pretty much in a pay for play zone. I have known guys who enjoyed their extended stay there but they were doing more than well in the west and guess what they all come back here in the end. You can't tell me a stinky Asian 3rd world country shit hole is your ideal life. And the literal loser westerner in your example are even less equipped to handle it. 

Have you seen Tony huge? His delusional Arab friend 'leo longevity' also thought he had game. Until he choked the wrong prostitute and ended up murdered.

Don't believe everything you read on the forums. Some of these travellers bros were banging prostitutes and reporting it as game

The Philippines isn't even worth it anymore compared to western cities. I recently tried a few dating apps in Manila and women were unresponsive. Of course, the slumrats were responsive, but if you're not interested in dumpster diving you will have to lose your time with endless filtering and texting. All that to have sex with Filipinas. Lmao. Player life.

The Philipinnes are not just Manilla. Manilla is probably the worst place to look for a decent girl.

[Ozzy]

Other sections are all open and you should definitely post as much as possible there. I still use this to look up old topics. There were some very interesting posters here in the past especially few that had very esoteric posts that are amazing to read.

Can you provide examples of the posters you found interesting? I agree, there was lots of valuable information outside of women, even though that is my primary reason for being on here.

[Artique]

You should definitely check Simeon Strangelight aka Zelcorpion lol

[Artique]

No one is saying it didn't help. We just have a different idea of the value it offered. Dude if you are in your 40s and have completely failed in the west like in the apocalyptic scenario you are describing then I got really bad news for you. You are going to get eaten alive in SEA. Really it is going to be so bad you will end up sleeping with ladyboys while deluding yourself to be some sort of 'true player'. Even normal women there are looking for green card. You are pretty much in a pay for play zone. I have known guys who enjoyed their extended stay there but they were doing more than well in the west and guess what they all come back here in the end. You can't tell me a stinky Asian 3rd world country shit hole is your ideal life. And the literal loser westerner in your example are even less equipped to handle it. 

Have you seen Tony huge? His delusional Arab friend 'leo longevity' also thought he had game. Until he choked the wrong prostitute and ended up murdered.

Don't believe everything you read on the forums. Some of these travellers bros were banging prostitutes and reporting it as game

The Philippines isn't even worth it anymore compared to western cities. I recently tried a few dating apps in Manila and women were unresponsive. Of course, the slumrats were responsive, but if you're not interested in dumpster diving you will have to lose your time with endless filtering and texting. All that to have sex with Filipinas. Lmao. Player life.

The Philipinnes are not just Manilla. Manilla is probably the worst place to look for a decent girl.

Capital cities have always had the best quality girls (for sex, dating apps hookups, nightlife...). If what you mean by "decent girl" is a girl who is chaste, well, you have to be a real loser to fly to a Filipino village for that. There are plenty of Asian virgins in western cities already.

I don't know how you look and you don't get any matches with girls from the Philipinnes. Maybe you should improve your apprearance a bit, pal? I get hundreds of matches with girls from the Philipinnes and Thailands in London, because they change their location to London. So whatever you write sounds like innacurrate bs.

[Rooshwasaloser]

You should definitely check Simeon Strangelight aka Zelcorpion lol

Lmao :o that's exactly who I was thinking about

I will add Mage also

But I am trying to find similar posters I forgotten their ID

[BadwolfLives]

I bet we know each other.

[Longhaul]

roosh ... seemed insecure, I never for a second bought into the idea that he's this skillful player. He was a good writer, by good I mean simple, accessible and chooses controversial takes to generate traffic like you said. However, his game was pale lacking any charm. Remember his coffee shop advice of rambling like an old man? I mean that might help a shy autistic man to start talking

Most girls didn't even need to be 'gamed' into sex ... .

 In Ukraine, he had no one-night stands until meeting an Anglophile girlfriend teaching English.  That isn't game!

How do you know it?

[nampa]

I discerned that Roosh was very honest and sharing, no showboating, which is why he was liked in the community.

There is no ill-will here. Roosh was targeted by an open international conspiracy of cat ladies, Woke power structure (modern JQ commisars) and their lackeys in officialdom and unpaid stenographers to power.

He cracked. Instead of uniting people under Christ, he divided them. He know is in the post-mourning phase and has come to terms of living a lame life, highly truncated by the establishments' hall monitor social credit system.

Other than Mystery, were any of these PUAs that great, meaning consistent better than 50% hook-ups? I'm guessing not. Being on the ground floor of this phenomenon, none of us ever expected to be Don Juans, only getting our due, which it was successful in getting, though like Roosh, many of us what abroad or gamed foreign chicks in country.
Roosh was real.

[nampa]

No one is saying it didn't help. We just have a different idea of the value it offered. Dude if you are in your 40s and have completely failed in the west like in the apocalyptic scenario you are describing then I got really bad news for you. You are going to get eaten alive in SEA. Really it is going to be so bad you will end up sleeping with ladyboys while deluding yourself to be some sort of 'true player'. Even normal women there are looking for green card. You are pretty much in a pay for play zone. I have known guys who enjoyed their extended stay there but they were doing more than well in the west and guess what they all come back here in the end. You can't tell me a stinky Asian 3rd world country shit hole is your ideal life. And the literal loser westerner in your example are even less equipped to handle it. 

Have you seen Tony huge? His delusional Arab friend 'leo longevity' also thought he had game. Until he choked the wrong prostitute and ended up murdered.

Don't believe everything you read on the forums. Some of these travellers bros were banging prostitutes and reporting it as game

The Philippines isn't even worth it anymore compared to western cities. I recently tried a few dating apps in Manila and women were unresponsive. Of course, the slumrats were responsive, but if you're not interested in dumpster diving you will have to lose your time with endless filtering and texting. All that to have sex with Filipinas. Lmao. Player life.

The Philipinnes are not just Manilla. Manilla is probably the worst place to look for a decent girl.

Capital cities have always had the best quality girls (for sex, dating apps hookups, nightlife...). If what you mean by "decent girl" is a girl who is chaste, well, you have to be a real loser to fly to a Filipino village for that. There are plenty of Asian virgins in western cities already.

I don't know how you look and you don't get any matches with girls from the Philipinnes. Maybe you should improve your apprearance a bit, pal? I get hundreds of matches with girls from the Philipinnes and Thailands in London, because they change their location to London. So whatever you write sounds like innacurrate bs.

Not that I'm looking, but what are the chicks on Date in Asia these days? TO pass the time, 10 years ago I would play the young stud on there, but I never thought the girls were that great. 
From watching TV, the girls seem unhealthy and haughty.

[Archivist]

 In Ukraine, he had no one-night stands until meeting an Anglophile girlfriend teaching English.  That isn't game!

How do you know it?

Roosh made a YouTube video "My Confession" where he admitted failure to have one-night-stands in Ukraine for six cumulative months.  His book Bang Ukraine describes taking job teaching English and meeting a Ukrainian girlfriend who also taught English.

[Longhaul]

 In Ukraine, he had no one-night stands until meeting an Anglophile girlfriend teaching English.  That isn't game!

How do you know it?

Roosh made a YouTube video "My Confession" where he admitted failure to have one-night-stands in Ukraine for six cumulative months.  His book Bang Ukraine describes taking job teaching English and meeting a Ukrainian girlfriend who also taught English.

This video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=hgUXaQD9wX8

So sad

[Artique]

Ok. Imagine if Roosh did not get a single ONS, what the average Joe gets. Ukraine has been highly overrated, the truth is Ukrainian women in general have shitty personalities and are probably the biggest gold diggers worldwide. They manipulate men using sex. IF you wanna find a woman that will be with you, just because you can 'provide', make no mistake, the moment you will stop providing, you will lose her. Hell, you will even lose her, while you provide as these soulless whore types have some sort of princess syndrome and constantly looking for upgrades.

Roosh's video is an honest one, it's just what happens to 99% of guys that used visit Ukraine for 'high quality.'

[nampa]

What's with the dorks, tripling in one year, browsing but not posting.

[whitemike]

 In Ukraine, he had no one-night stands until meeting an Anglophile girlfriend teaching English.  That isn't game!

How do you know it?

Roosh made a YouTube video "My Confession" where he admitted failure to have one-night-stands in Ukraine for six cumulative months.  His book Bang Ukraine describes taking job teaching English and meeting a Ukrainian girlfriend who also taught English.

This video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=hgUXaQD9wX8

So sad

Indeed

[Archivist]

In Ukraine, he had no one-night stands until meeting an Anglophile girlfriend teaching English.  That isn't game!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=hgUXaQD9wX8

So sad

Indeed

The saddest thing is he got tired of chasing pussy in his late twenties:

There is little thrill in new vagina. I've lost my main purpose in life. [Roosh, 2008]

Mark Manson ("Entropy"), Tucker Max, and Tim Ferriss sowed their wild oats, quit travelling, and forged fulfilling new careers as writers.  But Roosh wanted to be a PUA role model.  His money and American status were only special in third world shitholes, and he felt pressure to justify his existence there.  So instead of sleeping with 6 attractive women per year, he slept with additional ugly women and made side trips to write travel guides.  He craved a mission:


Give me a complex. [Roosh, 2013]

He eventually realized that all his "neomasculine" self-improvement was unnecessary, and swallowed the nihilistic black pill.

Is Self-Improvement Unnecessary? [Roosh, 2016]

Remember his free-speech warrior phase?

What was the point of all that? [Roosh, 2019]

Then he converted back to his boyhood Armenian Orthodox church, and two years later into Russian Orthodox.  His role model with the biggest beard is a gay American named Eugene Rose, who became an ascetic Russian Orthodox monk living in a one-roomed cabin.  As a new convert, Roosh wrote gullible stuff about miraculous icons and "aerial tollhouses", and banning people from his forum if they did not accept his doctrinal authority.

He could have developed a career, friends, and family.  Instead, he insisted on being a flaky and unoriginal philosopher.

[Archivist]

Indeed

He wrote the moon landing was fake, evolution is false, and you literally go to heaven through tollhouses in the sky.  Respect my authoritay!

[Longhaul]

Indeed

He wrote the moon landing was fake, evolution is false, and you literally go to heaven through tollhouses in the sky.  Respect my authoritay!

He wrote that the Earth is 10000 years old

[whitemike]

In Ukraine, he had no one-night stands until meeting an Anglophile girlfriend teaching English.  That isn't game!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=hgUXaQD9wX8

So sad

Indeed

The saddest thing is he got tired of chasing pussy in his late twenties:

There is little thrill in new vagina. I've lost my main purpose in life. [Roosh, 2008]

Mark Manson ("Entropy"), Tucker Max, and Tim Ferriss sowed their wild oats, quit travelling, and forged fulfilling new careers as writers.  But Roosh wanted to be a PUA role model.  His money and American status were only special in third world shitholes, and he felt pressure to justify his existence there.  So instead of sleeping with 6 attractive women per year, he slept with additional ugly women and made side trips to write travel guides.  He craved a mission:


Give me a complex. [Roosh, 2013]

He eventually realized that all his "neomasculine" self-improvement was unnecessary, and swallowed the nihilistic black pill.

Is Self-Improvement Unnecessary? [Roosh, 2016]

Remember his free-speech warrior phase?

What was the point of all that? [Roosh, 2019]

Then he converted back to his boyhood Armenian Orthodox church, and two years later into Russian Orthodox.  His role model with the biggest beard is a gay American named Eugene Rose, who became an ascetic Russian Orthodox monk living in a one-roomed cabin.  As a new convert, Roosh wrote gullible stuff about miraculous icons and "aerial tollhouses", and banning people from his forum if they did not accept his doctrinal authority.

He could have developed a career, friends, and family.  Instead, he insisted on being a flaky and unoriginal philosopher.

The predictability of these events may have been anticipated had individuals possessed a comprehensive understanding of mental illness and the intricacies of the human psyche. Typically, there are three distinct categories of men who are capable of persistently pursuing women over an extended period: very imaginative and intelligent individuals who consistently shape their own reality, individuals with little intellectual capacity, or those who suffer from mental illness. To begin with, it is important to note that sex is not intercourse without communication patterns that stimulate the mind -- the brain is the largest sex organ by mass, not to mention sensory perception and feedback, creativity and desire and planning etc.. An intellectually challenged individual is easily susceptible to mental stimulation. If a woman possesses the ability to articulate her thoughts effectively, has a well-endowed bosom, and finds amusement in his humor, then the situation is deemed satisfactory. An intellectually astute individual establishes a setting that fosters his creative abilities. Typically, this results in the formation of relationships as individuals spend a significant amount of time with the same group of women. It usually takes many months to a year for the desire and intensity of passion to develop in the neocortex. Furthermore, there are individuals who suffer from mental illness. Many men choose to settle down because they find themselves in an intermediate position.

Individuals with autism display persistent and intense interests that can endure for varying durations, ranging from several months to several years. These interests serve as a source of pleasure for them and also function as a means of managing the challenges of daily existence. Following the publication of this https://culturewhiz.org/forum/topic/what...manosphere article several years ago, it completely demystified their work and caused Roosh to lose total interest in his brand.

[Artique]

Seriously, guys, this obsession with Roosh is autistic. We all got some value from his forum and it does not really matter what happened to him after. He made his choices being a victim of changes himself. All this far right wing rhetoric was really unnecessary.
He was not a wealthy guy, but a backpacker of average attractiveness traveling to a rapidly changing Eastern Europe that eventually got badly westernized. End of story. If he had done what he did ten years earlier, things would have probably been better for him.

[whitemike]

Seriously, guys, this obsession with Roosh is autistic. We all got some value from his forum and it does not really matter what happened to him after. He made his choices being a victim of changes himself. All this far right wing rhetoric was really unnecessary.
He was not a wealthy guy, but a backpacker of average attractiveness traveling to a rapidly changing Eastern Europe that eventually got badly westernized. End of story. If he had done what he did ten years earlier, things would have probably been better for him.

You say that discussing the doctrines propagated by Roosh and others is futile, and instead, we should embrace these ideologies, such as the belief that the West is inherently flawed as divinely ordained. Apologies, but I believe it is worthwhile to thoroughly analyze his teachings. If reading his work proves to be burdensome for you, perhaps it would be best to refrain from participating in discussions of this nature.

[Artique]

I don't think Roosh was as influential as you think. He just created a cool forum where many smart guys were posting and got many ideas from there. No point in over-analyzing a pick up artist that turned to religion and then just disappeared. I do not see any value in this type of discussions.

[whitemike]

Correction: He established a platform where he selectively gathered numerous individuals with mental illnesses, who then propagated their irrational ideas until they transformed into ideologies that were adopted by mass shooters.

[Dmoney]

I contributed for years in the old forum. Very happy to see this one back! Huge thanks to the guy who did the hard work to bring it back.

[Archivist]

The forum had multiple constituents. There were the budget travellers and aspiring expats. There whoremongers who represented their activity as "game". There were the teenage virgins looking for pickup lines. There were many losers blaming society and feminism for their failures. Roosh scapegoated gays, and most forum members accepted this.

The quickest way to learn a country and language is to take a woman. Yes, I know everybody was banging supermodel 10's. But, many supermodels speak Russian or Spanish, and RVF studs could drop down to dating 9's and 8's to get a travelling companion. Why did we never read about this?

Any man who dates multiple women will have drama. But we rarely read about this either.

Meanwhile, losers complained they could no longer safely have consensual one night stands because they would be falsely reported to police for rape. But in the history of the forum, there was not one credible story of this. Similarly, broke men said they stayed single to avoid getting "divorce raped". There were few stories of this as well.

Back in the heydey, you would banned for discussing these observations.

[CJ_W2]

Yo,

RVF is beyond saving but... what you can do is create the next travel and game forum and with new posters you gonna get a new culture. A forum is only as good as its contributors and you have to separate those who contribute value from those who take value.

I say to maximise the value in the forum keep the politics, religion and race talk out. Those contributors/trolls take value from the forum. I would never contribute value to forum where the discussion was discriminatory and I know many others who wouldn't either. Personally, I'd dump the unnecessary threads into zip file and delete them from here.

Just my two cents.

I agree here, the politics and "Everything Else" sections were where the forum utterly failed.  It invited a LOT of unsavory people who were most likely feds (there were QUITE a few feds on the board, and probably still are -Remember Rawmeo? yeah) anyway the cat's out of the bag now, people like Fresh and Fit, MDL, Tate, and even Aron Clarey who's been a bit silent about "redpill" stuff other than U.S. stuff slightly are hip to what we were talking about 5-7 years prior. Although Tate is a more inflammatory figure. . .which is kind of what you get when you stifle speech, only the most extreme people start to get through.

In my opinion Roosh's "fall" was done by the feds, they went to his house and threatened his mom, then later on his sister "died" (I think she was just taken out as a final warning) causing Roosh to get spooked/demoralized enough to go scorched earth on the site (that and the writing was kinda on the walls for the manoshpere and PUA)

The rise of tinder and Instagram, then tech censorship and centralization (reddit, youtube, FB, twitter etc) and making all those main sites super leftist and now "the internet"(the internet is dead/fake)

Then Tuthmosis leaving (he pretty much singlehandedly kept the forum quality high).

Usually Young men gathering in the same location is NOT GOOD for governments, as history shows, large groups of men congregating anywhere for too long, start talking, then start realizing (that their government is fucking them over), then start rebelling.  The forum was ALREADY a target, but a soft one, but as SOON as the politics and everything else section started getting political, That's when the feds started moving in.  They'd already infiltrated the forum heavily at that point(and you can bet they have done the same here from the start of the new forum).  I would even go so far as to say that they want to make sure this forum never reaches what it did in the past (meaning al these trolls are most likely Feds trying....and succeeding to sabotage the new place)  just looking through the threads here and at the current posters, there's no way that any older member who knows his shit (including myself) would really contribute here.  Much less share the new "Poosy Paradise" in an open (or "private") forum like this.

Also with the rise of the tiktok format most newer users don't have the attention span to read anything for more than 8 seconds anyway.

Also PUA is pretty much dead, it's all about social media status now and it has been moving that way for years, The west is way too hostile towards men, Russia invading Ukraine and putting Eastern Europe on Edge has singlehandedly killed that area, China's stupid fiscal policy and wolf warrior nonsense has shut that part of the world off, the Weak yen and yen to dollar ratio plus covid killed Japan(it's just filled with richer tourists now that you have to compete with...there are still some places you can do well there but...I'm keeping my mouth shut on that one.) The stable world in decline and newness of the net(remember mASF?) that allowed the Manosphere to grow is gone and can't support it in it's previous form (forums). It's pretty much all monetized now, just like how OF has been destroying what's left of Men(and by extension the manosphere).

Most of the quality posters who knew their shit left, and keep in contact together and share info that way outside of the prying eyes of the public.  That's not going to stop.  The time of men sharing all the good info (for free to anyone) is done.

It's nice that Citron revived the forum for old memories, but that's all it is, memories. Too much has changed.

This is my first post on the new forums. . .and my last. 

Signing out,
CJ_W