Quote: (05-03-2019 08:39 PM)king bast Wrote:
Quote: (05-03-2019 08:26 PM)Dilated Wrote:
-acquire more wealth and head to Russia for surrogacy. For $80k you can do surrogacy as a single guy in Russia. With enough wealth you can hire the appropriate care. No maternal presence being the risk here.
I hope nobody would even consider this disgusting option even if it were free. It embodies the same reckless disregard for the natural order (or if you'd prefer, gods will) that sodomites and barren old cat ladies have.
It's nauseating enough hearing "I'd like to have children someday, but I just haven't found the right man yet" from 35+ women, it's even worse coming from supposedly red-pill men.
Sure, it's easy to judge others but everyone has different ages/circumstances... perhaps you can extrapolate your point further with reasoned discussion...
Men also have a biological clock - and a lot of men are running out of time. Some men are in completely lopsided dating markets (supply vs demand) where there are enough suitable white women and they want to have a child that looks like them (logos and natural order). Some men have only two options:
1. Not have any offspring and let his bloodline die out forever.
2. Pay a surrogate to have a child, and then in due time form a relationship with a woman who raises the child as her own... there are lots of older childless women out there who'd love to be a mother.
Between only those two options, I'd pick the latter.
Quote: (05-04-2019 12:31 AM)Conquistador Wrote:
she is so attracted you that she is willing to bring bastards into this world. Any women outside of these two categories will require legal marriage. Essentially, they will require you to sacrifice yourself, which means that they will potentially be taken care of if the marriage were to fail. That is the whole risk.
Interesting. I do agree some women may make such a non-negotiable... but those women are usually the higher value younger ones with options...
I think this "no-marriage no-kids" is only as non-negotiable as a woman's options. Women who are over 30 years old in the west are hitting the wall, hopping off the carousel and have dried up ovaries... I wouldn't knock that up, personally... but I think they could at least provide a womb for a man in the west who can't make it to the east to do the baby-mama hunting... women might talk tough and say they wouldn't do it, but in reality they are open to this... they don't have many options left and the clock is ticking - tick tock nature always wins.
In the east - where women tend a be little bit more down-to-earth with the realities of life I have met a variety of women who are open to the idea of a symbolic marriage only LTR (no legal marriage contract) & having babies...
I am currently negotiating the following as part of the agreement:
- Financial assistance e.g. child support at on-going intervals per each baby.
- As much father-to-child bonding time that the father wants (for the initial years I would likely be living outside of the country and be visiting the babies 3-6 months per year).
- I've made it clear that after the children reach age 5 (starting primary school) or age 12 (starting high school) I could be open to the idea of the child and baby-mama (and perhaps babushka?) move to my western country or vice versa I move to their country or perhaps not change anything.