[Andrej]

Hi everybody,

I see this pattern over and over again for girls on around HB8 level, but I didn't managed to google any information about this so far.

Here is the thing, it's something I would definitely put into category of social shit tests but these are pretty damn hard to pass (for me).

So you have this HB8 girl in the night club and she get the most guys approaching her especially if She happens to be the hottest one in the club at that moment.

So I have seen this over and over again how she pretty much drags multiple guys as an obstacle for you to overcome. I have seen this happening without affecting the situation as an observer and also it happened to me as well in my sets.

In two of my sets I could remember at this point I had good looking interaction with a HB8 gril when she suddenly pulls of the phone and goes aside and in ~10-20 min. Her "friend" arrives which is basically a dude who is hitting on here and she is constantly checking me and sometimes even giving me obvious eye contacts to "take over the situation" and win her back. Once I tried to handle that but I was too slow and didn't get too far. Other time I just straight up gave up (I thought it's her boyfriend, but it wasn't) and she even bumped to me from the back and giving me these weird eye contacts and still checking me if I will do something or gave up.

When it comes to my look I really look like a typical fuckboy so I can see the girls are hoping I will show them that I am socially skilled and pretty much AMOG the guy.

And these are just few examples I have seen this over and over .. Girls staring at me over the shoulder of the guy .. I am not total newbie I can tell when girls want something, but I just don't usually find the balls to just walk up there and start playing like I am the cool guy who is witty and want's to just to have a funny chat .. it will be obvious what I want and the guy will be most probably hostile to me.

I know theoretically how to deal with the situation but It's very risky plus this is the type of the game she plays in which the more you play the more you loose but when you don't play you also loose.

Last time I was in this situation (last Saturday) There were two other guys she was dragging around I didn't wanted to be the third (we had two-three short interactions before). So when I realized she is doing this fucking shit I was looking for some other girl but that didn't workout well so I was around and it was really before the end of the night and she started to give me these obvious strong eye contacts .. (She was doing this entire night but especially towards the end of the night after I was hitting on other girls) I just gave her big smile and shaked my head slowly from side to side.

I bet she was thinking of me the entire night but I wasn't the guy she fucked that night. I didn't wanted to sacrifice being the most non-needy guy to win the game.

So this my current "favorite" sticking point to find the right balance between being non-needy but persistent enough to actually win this fucked up competition game. I have never really cold - AMOGed anybody maybe once but I had strong position so it was easy, in these social tests I am the one who is playing the harder card.

Do you guys have any experience or maybe advice what to do in these type of situations ?

Thanks

[Black Kitten]

You're an introvert who cares too much.

Ignore your mind and walk in. Force yourself to play. You never lose if you do your best, because it was impossible to win anyway.


Of course, there's always day game.

[Andrej]

(05-02-2019 10:31 AM)Black Kitten Wrote:  

You're an introvert who cares too much.

Ignore your mind and walk in. Force yourself to play. You never lose if you do your best, because it was impossible to win anyway.


Of course, there's always day game.

No, but thank you anyways.

[Off The Reservation]

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

Hi everybody,
....

I bet she was thinking of me the entire night but I wasn't the guy she fucked that night. I didn't wanted to sacrifice being the most non-needy guy to win the game.


Thanks

OP has an amazing ability to invent things he wants to be true without evidence. This isn't even a shit test story. This is the story of OP staring and opening a chick who called another guy over because she wanted you to leave.

This is also a bullshit thread. You are new and did not bother to search and participate in any one of 100 quality threads related to this subject.

Sad state of affairs.

[bgbusiness]

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

In two of my sets I could remember at this point I had good looking interaction with a HB8 gril when she suddenly pulls of the phone and goes aside and in ~10-20 min.

That happens all the time. Don't think about it. I would approach a new set.

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

Her "friend" arrives which is basically a dude who is hitting on here and she is constantly checking me and sometimes even giving me obvious eye contacts to "take over the situation" and win her back. Once I tried to handle that but I was too slow and didn't get too far. Other time I just straight up gave up (I thought it's her boyfriend, but it wasn't) and she even bumped to me from the back and giving me these weird eye contacts and still checking me if I will do something or gave up.

The "friend" is probably an orbiter who is trying to sleep with the girl that you were interacting with.

Yeah, she is gauging your reaction and what you will do.
Girls just want to create drama like that, it's exciting for them.

Early this year, I had a female who would grab my body from the back, a lot of slow kinos here and there. As soon as I try to take her out, she would refuse, but then blow me kisses, etc. Lol

Then I asked couple other dudes and found out that she was doing that same thing for several dudes. None of them got laid, even the ones who were way more good looking than me. She just wants the attention/validation/tingles in her pussy.

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

I know theoretically how to deal with the situation but It's very risky plus this is the type of the game she plays in which the more you play the more you loose but when you don't play you also loose.

Not really, just go talk to other chick and cut your losses.
Stop wasting your stop and go open other sets like you said.
She is wasting the time of the "friend" also.

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

I bet she was thinking of me the entire night but I wasn't the guy she fucked that night. I didn't wanted to sacrifice being the most non-needy guy to win the game.

Well, the girl is not going to be like, "This guy was the most non-needy guy, I should go back to him and sleep with him." and walks to you, grabs your hand and walks out of the door with you.

You have to make it happen, not her. You should be always leading as a man.

TBH, I am not saying I am the most playerish guy, but my experience is telling me that this chick is just there to get attention and waste people's time. Even if you take a girl home like this, you will have massive uphill battle escalating due to high anti-slut defense.

I would have just grabbed her number and texted at the end of the night.
She comes to you, that's great. If she doesn't come, drop her and pursue other chicks.

[Andrej]

(05-02-2019 04:07 PM)bgbusiness Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

In two of my sets I could remember at this point I had good looking interaction with a HB8 gril when she suddenly pulls of the phone and goes aside and in ~10-20 min.

That happens all the time. Don't think about it. I would approach a new set.

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

Her "friend" arrives which is basically a dude who is hitting on here and she is constantly checking me and sometimes even giving me obvious eye contacts to "take over the situation" and win her back. Once I tried to handle that but I was too slow and didn't get too far. Other time I just straight up gave up (I thought it's her boyfriend, but it wasn't) and she even bumped to me from the back and giving me these weird eye contacts and still checking me if I will do something or gave up.

The "friend" is probably an orbiter who is trying to sleep with the girl that you were interacting with.

Yeah, she is gauging your reaction and what you will do.
Girls just want to create drama like that, it's exciting for them.

Early this year, I had a female who would grab my body from the back, a lot of slow kinos here and there. As soon as I try to take her out, she would refuse, but then blow me kisses, etc. Lol

Then I asked couple other dudes and found out that she was doing that same thing for several dudes. None of them got laid, even the ones who were way more good looking than me. She just wants the attention/validation/tingles in her pussy.

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

I know theoretically how to deal with the situation but It's very risky plus this is the type of the game she plays in which the more you play the more you loose but when you don't play you also loose.

Not really, just go talk to other chick and cut your losses.
Stop wasting your stop and go open other sets like you said.
She is wasting the time of the "friend" also.

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

I bet she was thinking of me the entire night but I wasn't the guy she fucked that night. I didn't wanted to sacrifice being the most non-needy guy to win the game.

Well, the girl is not going to be like, "This guy was the most non-needy guy, I should go back to him and sleep with him." and walks to you, grabs your hand and walks out of the door with you.

You have to make it happen, not her. You should be always leading as a man.

TBH, I am not saying I am the most playerish guy, but my experience is telling me that this chick is just there to get attention and waste people's time. Even if you take a girl home like this, you will have massive uphill battle escalating due to high anti-slut defense.

I would have just grabbed her number and texted at the end of the night.
She comes to you, that's great. If she doesn't come, drop her and pursue other chicks.

Hi "bgbusiness",

thanks for taking time to write a such a big reply.

It definitely feels like She playing games to stroke her ego and have some fun at Friday night.

Happens to girls around HB8 that has technically the most guys approaching them all the time and if they are still young they think they are amazing shiny princesses and that they can have everything. So some become this disgusting bitches who plays these disrespectful games to stroke their insanely bloated ego.

On the other hand, as what game taught me girls play games and it's not usually what it seems. This is just sort of normal social dynamic for high demand girls and this is how they pre-select men. So unless I win the game and know at least a bunch of these girls I cannot say if they are really disrespectful self centered bitches or not. However it looks like the relationship with such a girl would be pretty damn awful.

By the way I talked to her friend and She asked me if I like her and I said that I don't know that She have this front/mask and She didn't opened yet and Her friend told me that She is not like that in real life. That girl also went home with some random guy from the club.

I can remember couple of sets except this experience I had last week, that went down similarly. I have approached Her and she responded positively and She suddenly bring some other guy and give these looks .. and never .. it was her boyfriend. You can see on the guys face that He also don't knows who I am and he playing safe you can tell by the face of confusion

There is one more set I remembered just now It was too late at the end of the night and I opened this pretty hot girl with a friend .. and that interaction was actually great but She was giving me shit all the time (which is a good thing) and one of her cute shit test was she played like the guy at the bar was her boyfriend and talked loud on him .. and stood beside him for a couple of seconds and then left .. you should see the guys face .. it was totally random guy, He had no idea what was going on.

Girls do this kind of shit all the time and I wasn't really doing anything stupid (just to make that clear) I didn't followed Her I didn't grabbed her I was just playful, little cocky and her friend actually liked me and when they went home before they left Her friend came to me and told me that they are too drank, it's too late and that they will go home. (just so that is clear I wasn't the chode and girls are pretty familiar with these dynamic as well, we were all on the same page. Her more sober older friend decided to fuck it and go home but She showed sympathy).

It didn't had happyend but it looked good She just threw ton of shit on me to see if I am worth it (since there wasn't that much time left that behavior was totally expected) and I passed pretty much everything. But if the guy at the bar was really some of Her friends or maybe even some fucking orbiter it would be a different difficulty.

The problem that I have is when they actually manage to pull to the "game" some other guy around or even somebody who is in their social circle as an obstacle. I know I only have to push thru to find out, but I was wondering why nobody breaks down these common social dynamic patterns and I have to wander around internet in hopes somebody will have more experience than I do so I have a better clearer plan how to handle that.

I am not fan of trial and error strategy the game should be the exact opposite of that and reading and listening about game helped me massively so far that's why I keep looking for the information however these things are not necessarily in interests of majority pickup coaches and authors who produce the most information out there with clients that are 99% total beginners.

I have seen girls playing this "neediness" game over and over again putting you in the situations when you either show insecurity or neediness or you don't give a fuck but still put away enough effort so that you can get somewhere that's the whole fucking game to play. It requires very delicate calibration which is on the edge of my abilities just yet but I will get there.

She just want to see if you will follow Her and keep pushing when she turns back on you. It's just a ugly shit test. It's exactly as you described, She tease you and then turn back on you to see if you will follow like a fucking orbiter. Because there is nothing that turn the hot girl off more as neediness. I know this because I lost my girlfriend year ago because I was a little bit more needy than was acceptable, I just couldn't hide it, She smelled it and lost respect and care. Sad story, but eye opening. She was the hottest girl I pulled at that time, it was pretty epic night and one of my best pulls ever. She liked me more than I but I started to like her more over time and she smelled that I am needy, I was texting her too much.

What I usually do is breaking rapport. I leave the girl and when she leaves for whatever reason I never follow I just reapproach little later. Sometimes reapproach 3 times during the night, to a degree it's my style. I am not a pushy guy, it works on some girls but demanded hot bitches hate that upmost .. the less needy you are the more interesting you are for her. On the other hand you still have to be leading and be persistent which can sometimes if not play perfect make you look needy and that will totally fuck you up. It's a thin ice.

Thanks.

[Solitaire]

(05-02-2019 11:26 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

Hi everybody,
....

I bet she was thinking of me the entire night but I wasn't the guy she fucked that night. I didn't wanted to sacrifice being the most non-needy guy to win the game.


Thanks

OP has an amazing ability to invent things he wants to be true without evidence. This isn't even a shit test story. This is the story of OP staring and opening a chick who called another guy over because she wanted you to leave.

This is also a bullshit thread. You are new and did not bother to search and participate in any one of 100 quality threads related to this subject.

Sad state of affairs.

Checking to make sure the chick you want most is "looking at me" all night long is, I may be wrong here, but I think is the opposite of game.

[Andrej]

(05-03-2019 12:47 AM)Solitaire Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 11:26 AM)Off The Reservation Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

Hi everybody,
....

I bet she was thinking of me the entire night but I wasn't the guy she fucked that night. I didn't wanted to sacrifice being the most non-needy guy to win the game.


Thanks

OP has an amazing ability to invent things he wants to be true without evidence. This isn't even a shit test story. This is the story of OP staring and opening a chick who called another guy over because she wanted you to leave.

This is also a bullshit thread. You are new and did not bother to search and participate in any one of 100 quality threads related to this subject.

Sad state of affairs.

Checking to make sure the chick you want most is "looking at me" all night long is, I may be wrong here, but I think is the opposite of game.

Hi,

I know where you are going. Wasn't the case. I always starts sets with eye contacts, so I am pretty confident about non-verbals.

I wasn't spying on her or anything I was doing plenty of other stuff and I wasn't close and I never do long staring or anything that obvious. I just look around here and there check girls and when she holds eye contact I can tell.

When that happens I respond but it always starts as me checking around no staring and when she holds I will respond for a second or two and than stop. That's how you talk to girls before you actually talk ..

We had plenty of checking around and She gave me couple of pretty obvious hold eye contacts. If the girl doesn't want anything she will take care to not look at you or your direction not the other way around.

Just to clarify, I have no doubts about this type of communication. I am already used to it. I consider myself intermediate in game (pulling HB8+), but with slightly hotter girls because I am good looking (I guess). Eye contacts is something that comes naturally to me.

What I need help/direction with is these social shit tests when she put you in situation when you actually need to sacrifice your neediness for persistence in calibrated way so you get enough interaction to get anywhere but not look like a fucking orbiter at the same time. You just don't want to play that game because it makes you look bad and loosing value but if you don't play you loose as well.

Best.

[spydersuit]

:face palm:

+1 shit thread

I think you answered your own question.

Try having a conversation.

Dude, she’s just not into you and your game is weak.

[chvrches]

(05-03-2019 06:44 AM)spydersuit Wrote:  

:face palm:

+1 shit thread

I think you answered your own question.

Try having a conversation.

Dude, she’s just not into you and your game is weak.

Agree

sounds like OP is using his looks to attract girls but doesn't have game to push it further than the attraction stage.

no seducing, no escalating, no closing

[bgbusiness]

(05-02-2019 06:33 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

(05-02-2019 04:07 PM)bgbusiness Wrote:  

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

In two of my sets I could remember at this point I had good looking interaction with a HB8 gril when she suddenly pulls of the phone and goes aside and in ~10-20 min.

That happens all the time. Don't think about it. I would approach a new set.

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

Her "friend" arrives which is basically a dude who is hitting on here and she is constantly checking me and sometimes even giving me obvious eye contacts to "take over the situation" and win her back. Once I tried to handle that but I was too slow and didn't get too far. Other time I just straight up gave up (I thought it's her boyfriend, but it wasn't) and she even bumped to me from the back and giving me these weird eye contacts and still checking me if I will do something or gave up.

The "friend" is probably an orbiter who is trying to sleep with the girl that you were interacting with.

Yeah, she is gauging your reaction and what you will do.
Girls just want to create drama like that, it's exciting for them.

Early this year, I had a female who would grab my body from the back, a lot of slow kinos here and there. As soon as I try to take her out, she would refuse, but then blow me kisses, etc. Lol

Then I asked couple other dudes and found out that she was doing that same thing for several dudes. None of them got laid, even the ones who were way more good looking than me. She just wants the attention/validation/tingles in her pussy.

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

I know theoretically how to deal with the situation but It's very risky plus this is the type of the game she plays in which the more you play the more you loose but when you don't play you also loose.

Not really, just go talk to other chick and cut your losses.
Stop wasting your stop and go open other sets like you said.
She is wasting the time of the "friend" also.

(04-30-2019 05:55 PM)Andrej Wrote:  

I bet she was thinking of me the entire night but I wasn't the guy she fucked that night. I didn't wanted to sacrifice being the most non-needy guy to win the game.

Well, the girl is not going to be like, "This guy was the most non-needy guy, I should go back to him and sleep with him." and walks to you, grabs your hand and walks out of the door with you.

You have to make it happen, not her. You should be always leading as a man.

TBH, I am not saying I am the most playerish guy, but my experience is telling me that this chick is just there to get attention and waste people's time. Even if you take a girl home like this, you will have massive uphill battle escalating due to high anti-slut defense.

I would have just grabbed her number and texted at the end of the night.
She comes to you, that's great. If she doesn't come, drop her and pursue other chicks.

Hi "bgbusiness",

thanks for taking time to write a such a big reply.

It definitely feels like She playing games to stroke her ego and have some fun at Friday night.

Happens to girls around HB8 that has technically the most guys approaching them all the time and if they are still young they think they are amazing shiny princesses and that they can have everything. So some become this disgusting bitches who plays these disrespectful games to stroke their insanely bloated ego.

On the other hand, as what game taught me girls play games and it's not usually what it seems. This is just sort of normal social dynamic for high demand girls and this is how they pre-select men. So unless I win the game and know at least a bunch of these girls I cannot say if they are really disrespectful self centered bitches or not. However it looks like the relationship with such a girl would be pretty damn awful.

By the way I talked to her friend and She asked me if I like her and I said that I don't know that She have this front/mask and She didn't opened yet and Her friend told me that She is not like that in real life. That girl also went home with some random guy from the club.

I can remember couple of sets except this experience I had last week, that went down similarly. I have approached Her and she responded positively and She suddenly bring some other guy and give these looks .. and never .. it was her boyfriend. You can see on the guys face that He also don't knows who I am and he playing safe you can tell by the face of confusion

There is one more set I remembered just now It was too late at the end of the night and I opened this pretty hot girl with a friend .. and that interaction was actually great but She was giving me shit all the time (which is a good thing) and one of her cute shit test was she played like the guy at the bar was her boyfriend and talked loud on him .. and stood beside him for a couple of seconds and then left .. you should see the guys face .. it was totally random guy, He had no idea what was going on.

Girls do this kind of shit all the time and I wasn't really doing anything stupid (just to make that clear) I didn't followed Her I didn't grabbed her I was just playful, little cocky and her friend actually liked me and when they went home before they left Her friend came to me and told me that they are too drank, it's too late and that they will go home. (just so that is clear I wasn't the chode and girls are pretty familiar with these dynamic as well, we were all on the same page. Her more sober older friend decided to fuck it and go home but She showed sympathy).

It didn't had happyend but it looked good She just threw ton of shit on me to see if I am worth it (since there wasn't that much time left that behavior was totally expected) and I passed pretty much everything. But if the guy at the bar was really some of Her friends or maybe even some fucking orbiter it would be a different difficulty.

The problem that I have is when they actually manage to pull to the "game" some other guy around or even somebody who is in their social circle as an obstacle. I know I only have to push thru to find out, but I was wondering why nobody breaks down these common social dynamic patterns and I have to wander around internet in hopes somebody will have more experience than I do so I have a better clearer plan how to handle that.

I am not fan of trial and error strategy the game should be the exact opposite of that and reading and listening about game helped me massively so far that's why I keep looking for the information however these things are not necessarily in interests of majority pickup coaches and authors who produce the most information out there with clients that are 99% total beginners.

I have seen girls playing this "neediness" game over and over again putting you in the situations when you either show insecurity or neediness or you don't give a fuck but still put away enough effort so that you can get somewhere that's the whole fucking game to play. It requires very delicate calibration which is on the edge of my abilities just yet but I will get there.

She just want to see if you will follow Her and keep pushing when she turns back on you. It's just a ugly shit test. It's exactly as you described, She tease you and then turn back on you to see if you will follow like a fucking orbiter. Because there is nothing that turn the hot girl off more as neediness. I know this because I lost my girlfriend year ago because I was a little bit more needy than was acceptable, I just couldn't hide it, She smelled it and lost respect and care. Sad story, but eye opening. She was the hottest girl I pulled at that time, it was pretty epic night and one of my best pulls ever. She liked me more than I but I started to like her more over time and she smelled that I am needy, I was texting her too much.

What I usually do is breaking rapport. I leave the girl and when she leaves for whatever reason I never follow I just reapproach little later. Sometimes reapproach 3 times during the night, to a degree it's my style. I am not a pushy guy, it works on some girls but demanded hot bitches hate that upmost .. the less needy you are the more interesting you are for her. On the other hand you still have to be leading and be persistent which can sometimes if not play perfect make you look needy and that will totally fuck you up. It's a thin ice.

Thanks.

I read couple paragraphs and could not recognize what you were trying to convey. If you don't need advice, don't start a thread.

I am just giving you advice on what works for me, different things work for different people.

[torridon747]

Skimmed through OP. Sounds like you can avoid this by not taking the orbiter bait - eg not investing social energy to club thots. She invited other men? No big deal go away and find some other girl then when you see hb8 introduce them.

Why do you think the girl is doing this behavior? It's to up her perceived value and then choose who she wants (if any) at the end of the night, get free attention and validation, and have a posse of beta white knights.

You don't have to play that game, that's her game. Go off and start your own, dont be one of those guys following a 7 all night along with 3 others. That's embarrassing

[Andrej]

Thank you guys,

I don't want to look like I don't appreciate your advice. But it's not necessarily what I was looking for. Giving up is not a solution in my eyes, and some of those guys got laid (I am pretty sure).

It's little ugly game to play that's for sure but I totally believe there is a way how to win this game because I have seen it so many times and experienced it.

What I was hoping for is advice from somebody who play this game and knows what to do in more detail so I can have a clearer plan what to do or try.

What I would maybe try next time if I will appear in that situation is re-approach with breaks simply don't stay around don't be the orbiter but at the same time create enough opportunities for her to respond and hook. Maybe it's only about being more persistent in the start and push a little bit so she doesn't wander around too much and catch those "orbiters". Or maybe a good way would be simply is to keep her on sight and wait for good opportunity to have talk without them being close or around. Talking to other hot girls around would definitely help since she see I have other options and have no problem to talk to them.

If you have some other similar "ideas" how to approach this I would totally appreciate.

[PantyPeeler]

Girls like drama.

Am I getting this correct? When you approached and were talking to her, she walked away and called another guy for 10-20 minutes? That guy then arrived and was hitting on her?

I am by no means an expert at game, but I would take this as a clear sign she was either not interested in me or she was a lot more interested in the other guy.

Could it have been a shit test? I guess, but if it is then I will fail it every time. On second thought I think continuing to show interest after she called a guy while you were talking to her, would be failing the shit test.

I dont make a habit of hitting on girls with their boyfriends. You would have every reason to believe he was her boyfriend/date.

[Andrej]

(05-04-2019 07:17 AM)PantyPeeler Wrote:  

Girls like drama.

Am I getting this correct? When you approached and were talking to her, she walked away and called another guy for 10-20 minutes? That guy then arrived and was hitting on her?

I am by no means an expert at game, but I would take this as a clear sign she was either not interested in me or she was a lot more interested in the other guy.

Could it have been a shit test? I guess, but if it is then I will fail it every time. On second thought I think continuing to show interest after she called a guy while you were talking to her, would be failing the shit test.

I dont make a habit of hitting on girls with their boyfriends. You would have every reason to believe he was her boyfriend/date.

Hi,

no that was just of couple of examples I provided to illustrate the situation.

I had this set one set or maybe even two that pops up in my mind right now that went that way but we had an interaction and then in certain stage she just bring up another dude into situation.

The interactions were going well, she didn't left or something like that. I am pretty sure it was a shit test, she wanted to see what I am going to do if she puts this kind of obstacle for me. The fact is I always game out alone and girl can see everything real fast and they smell you are not here with friends and so they want to see if I can handle social stress If I am a social person because It doesn't look like that if I go out a lone. It's a shit test of social savviness. I am not doing a field breakdown here or anything just trying to describe a common social dynamics pattern that I have to often deal with, looking for some tips.

Best,
Andrej

[torridon747]

(05-04-2019 05:46 AM)Andrej Wrote:  

Thank you guys,

I don't want to look like I don't appreciate your advice. But it's not necessarily what I was looking for. Giving up is not a solution in my eyes, and some of those guys got laid (I am pretty sure).

It's little ugly game to play that's for sure but I totally believe there is a way how to win this game because I have seen it so many times and experienced it.

What I was hoping for is advice from somebody who play this game and knows what to do in more detail so I can have a clearer plan what to do or try.

What I would maybe try next time if I will appear in that situation is re-approach with breaks simply don't stay around don't be the orbiter but at the same time create enough opportunities for her to respond and hook. Maybe it's only about being more persistent in the start and push a little bit so she doesn't wander around too much and catch those "orbiters". Or maybe a good way would be simply is to keep her on sight and wait for good opportunity to have talk without them being close or around. Talking to other hot girls around would definitely help since she see I have other options and have no problem to talk to them.

If you have some other similar "ideas" how to approach this I would totally appreciate.

It's a shitty game. Everyone is saying don't play it because there are far better ways than getting laid (especially for your dignity) than following a girl around a club all night like a lost puppy.

[PantyPeeler]

(05-04-2019 08:57 AM)Andrej Wrote:  

(05-04-2019 07:17 AM)PantyPeeler Wrote:  

Girls like drama.

Am I getting this correct? When you approached and were talking to her, she walked away and called another guy for 10-20 minutes? That guy then arrived and was hitting on her?

I am by no means an expert at game, but I would take this as a clear sign she was either not interested in me or she was a lot more interested in the other guy.

Could it have been a shit test? I guess, but if it is then I will fail it every time. On second thought I think continuing to show interest after she called a guy while you were talking to her, would be failing the shit test.

I dont make a habit of hitting on girls with their boyfriends. You would have every reason to believe he was her boyfriend/date.

Hi,

no that was just of couple of examples I provided to illustrate the situation.

I had this set one set or maybe even two that pops up in my mind right now that went that way but we had an interaction and then in certain stage she just bring up another dude into situation.

The interactions were going well, she didn't left or something like that. I am pretty sure it was a shit test, she wanted to see what I am going to do if she puts this kind of obstacle for me. The fact is I always game out alone and girl can see everything real fast and they smell you are not here with friends and so they want to see if I can handle social stress If I am a social person because It doesn't look like that if I go out a lone. It's a shit test of social savviness. I am not doing a field breakdown here or anything just trying to describe a common social dynamics pattern that I have to often deal with, looking for some tips.

Best,
Andrej

I get what youre saying. Yes that is a social shit test that can be overcome.

Im not sure I can give good advice other than hold frame.

Because she invited him I think it would be best to befriend him. Be social with both of them for a short time and excuse yourself, saying you need to use the phone, after making a good impression.

Before returning let her see you talking with either another hottie, or even chatting with another dude.

I used to fly solo often when I used to drink. I always made a point to "talk shop" with the bouncer or male bartender. I wanted them to recognize my face as someone reasonable, in case anything went sideways.

[Andrej]

(05-05-2019 05:38 AM)PantyPeeler Wrote:  

(05-04-2019 08:57 AM)Andrej Wrote:  

(05-04-2019 07:17 AM)PantyPeeler Wrote:  

Girls like drama.

Am I getting this correct? When you approached and were talking to her, she walked away and called another guy for 10-20 minutes? That guy then arrived and was hitting on her?

I am by no means an expert at game, but I would take this as a clear sign she was either not interested in me or she was a lot more interested in the other guy.

Could it have been a shit test? I guess, but if it is then I will fail it every time. On second thought I think continuing to show interest after she called a guy while you were talking to her, would be failing the shit test.

I dont make a habit of hitting on girls with their boyfriends. You would have every reason to believe he was her boyfriend/date.

Hi,

no that was just of couple of examples I provided to illustrate the situation.

I had this set one set or maybe even two that pops up in my mind right now that went that way but we had an interaction and then in certain stage she just bring up another dude into situation.

The interactions were going well, she didn't left or something like that. I am pretty sure it was a shit test, she wanted to see what I am going to do if she puts this kind of obstacle for me. The fact is I always game out alone and girl can see everything real fast and they smell you are not here with friends and so they want to see if I can handle social stress If I am a social person because It doesn't look like that if I go out a lone. It's a shit test of social savviness. I am not doing a field breakdown here or anything just trying to describe a common social dynamics pattern that I have to often deal with, looking for some tips.

Best,
Andrej

I get what youre saying. Yes that is a social shit test that can be overcome.

Im not sure I can give good advice other than hold frame.

Because she invited him I think it would be best to befriend him. Be social with both of them for a short time and excuse yourself, saying you need to use the phone, after making a good impression.

Before returning let her see you talking with either another hottie, or even chatting with another dude.

I used to fly solo often when I used to drink. I always made a point to "talk shop" with the bouncer or male bartender. I wanted them to recognize my face as someone reasonable, in case anything went sideways.

Hi PantyPeeler,

the situation when she "invites" somebody are more rare sometimes she just "keep" some of the orbiters around that tries to hit on Her by not obviously rejecting them .. something like "last man standing" competition.

We are talking about girls around HB8 which are on the top when it comes to being hit by guys, they are constantly being approached and this is how they deal with the situation. They are sometimes extremely passive but you can see when she leaves and when she stays or when she throw eye contacts or checking you when you turn around.

I totally get that for less experienced guys that looks rather like a passive rejection but it's not. I have seen and experienced this enough times myself and I am familiar with the dynamics.

The calibration problem here is how to keep the interaction going enough so that you can be the one standing while not look another needy orbiter.

Talking to them and be social is obviously a good idea, actually I like that. That's a good idea. Instead of keeping eye on her when you can have that 1:1 moment you just go and talk to the other guys that way you show that you are social and can handle the situation.

Last time I had to deal with this I talked to Her friend ( a girl ) so that probably helped .. but I didn't tried to talk to the other guys who are hitting on Her, that could give me also a lot more opportunities to talk to her without looking like another orbiter.

On the other hand I will have to handle their attempts to cock-block me but that's actually a good thing because if she sees that I will be the one winning.

Will try next time, Thanks

[PantyPeeler]

(05-05-2019 09:10 AM)Andrej Wrote:  

(05-05-2019 05:38 AM)PantyPeeler Wrote:  

(05-04-2019 08:57 AM)Andrej Wrote:  

(05-04-2019 07:17 AM)PantyPeeler Wrote:  

Girls like drama.

Am I getting this correct? When you approached and were talking to her, she walked away and called another guy for 10-20 minutes? That guy then arrived and was hitting on her?

I am by no means an expert at game, but I would take this as a clear sign she was either not interested in me or she was a lot more interested in the other guy.

Could it have been a shit test? I guess, but if it is then I will fail it every time. On second thought I think continuing to show interest after she called a guy while you were talking to her, would be failing the shit test.

I dont make a habit of hitting on girls with their boyfriends. You would have every reason to believe he was her boyfriend/date.

Hi,

no that was just of couple of examples I provided to illustrate the situation.

I had this set one set or maybe even two that pops up in my mind right now that went that way but we had an interaction and then in certain stage she just bring up another dude into situation.

The interactions were going well, she didn't left or something like that. I am pretty sure it was a shit test, she wanted to see what I am going to do if she puts this kind of obstacle for me. The fact is I always game out alone and girl can see everything real fast and they smell you are not here with friends and so they want to see if I can handle social stress If I am a social person because It doesn't look like that if I go out a lone. It's a shit test of social savviness. I am not doing a field breakdown here or anything just trying to describe a common social dynamics pattern that I have to often deal with, looking for some tips.

Best,
Andrej

I get what youre saying. Yes that is a social shit test that can be overcome.

Im not sure I can give good advice other than hold frame.

Because she invited him I think it would be best to befriend him. Be social with both of them for a short time and excuse yourself, saying you need to use the phone, after making a good impression.

Before returning let her see you talking with either another hottie, or even chatting with another dude.

I used to fly solo often when I used to drink. I always made a point to "talk shop" with the bouncer or male bartender. I wanted them to recognize my face as someone reasonable, in case anything went sideways.

Hi PantyPeeler,

the situation when she "invites" somebody are more rare sometimes she just "keep" some of the orbiters around that tries to hit on Her by not obviously rejecting them .. something like "last man standing" competition.

We are talking about girls around HB8 which are on the top when it comes to being hit by guys, they are constantly being approached and this is how they deal with the situation. They are sometimes extremely passive but you can see when she leaves and when she stays or when she throw eye contacts or checking you when you turn around.

I totally get that for less experienced guys that looks rather like a passive rejection but it's not. I have seen and experienced this enough times myself and I am familiar with the dynamics.

The calibration problem here is how to keep the interaction going enough so that you can be the one standing while not look another needy orbiter.

Talking to them and be social is obviously a good idea, actually I like that. That's a good idea. Instead of keeping eye on her when you can have that 1:1 moment you just go and talk to the other guys that way you show that you are social and can handle the situation.

Last time I had to deal with this I talked to Her friend ( a girl ) so that probably helped .. but I didn't tried to talk to the other guys who are hitting on Her, that could give me also a lot more opportunities to talk to her without looking like another orbiter.

On the other hand I will have to handle their attempts to cock-block me but that's actually a good thing because if she sees that I will be the one winning.

Will try next time, Thanks

Maybe try taking her to a different venue, or bringing her outside for a smoke.

[Andrej]

(05-05-2019 10:37 AM)PantyPeeler Wrote:  

(05-05-2019 09:10 AM)Andrej Wrote:  

(05-05-2019 05:38 AM)PantyPeeler Wrote:  

(05-04-2019 08:57 AM)Andrej Wrote:  

(05-04-2019 07:17 AM)PantyPeeler Wrote:  

Girls like drama.

Am I getting this correct? When you approached and were talking to her, she walked away and called another guy for 10-20 minutes? That guy then arrived and was hitting on her?

I am by no means an expert at game, but I would take this as a clear sign she was either not interested in me or she was a lot more interested in the other guy.

Could it have been a shit test? I guess, but if it is then I will fail it every time. On second thought I think continuing to show interest after she called a guy while you were talking to her, would be failing the shit test.

I dont make a habit of hitting on girls with their boyfriends. You would have every reason to believe he was her boyfriend/date.

Hi,

no that was just of couple of examples I provided to illustrate the situation.

I had this set one set or maybe even two that pops up in my mind right now that went that way but we had an interaction and then in certain stage she just bring up another dude into situation.

The interactions were going well, she didn't left or something like that. I am pretty sure it was a shit test, she wanted to see what I am going to do if she puts this kind of obstacle for me. The fact is I always game out alone and girl can see everything real fast and they smell you are not here with friends and so they want to see if I can handle social stress If I am a social person because It doesn't look like that if I go out a lone. It's a shit test of social savviness. I am not doing a field breakdown here or anything just trying to describe a common social dynamics pattern that I have to often deal with, looking for some tips.

Best,
Andrej

I get what youre saying. Yes that is a social shit test that can be overcome.

Im not sure I can give good advice other than hold frame.

Because she invited him I think it would be best to befriend him. Be social with both of them for a short time and excuse yourself, saying you need to use the phone, after making a good impression.

Before returning let her see you talking with either another hottie, or even chatting with another dude.

I used to fly solo often when I used to drink. I always made a point to "talk shop" with the bouncer or male bartender. I wanted them to recognize my face as someone reasonable, in case anything went sideways.

Hi PantyPeeler,

the situation when she "invites" somebody are more rare sometimes she just "keep" some of the orbiters around that tries to hit on Her by not obviously rejecting them .. something like "last man standing" competition.

We are talking about girls around HB8 which are on the top when it comes to being hit by guys, they are constantly being approached and this is how they deal with the situation. They are sometimes extremely passive but you can see when she leaves and when she stays or when she throw eye contacts or checking you when you turn around.

I totally get that for less experienced guys that looks rather like a passive rejection but it's not. I have seen and experienced this enough times myself and I am familiar with the dynamics.

The calibration problem here is how to keep the interaction going enough so that you can be the one standing while not look another needy orbiter.

Talking to them and be social is obviously a good idea, actually I like that. That's a good idea. Instead of keeping eye on her when you can have that 1:1 moment you just go and talk to the other guys that way you show that you are social and can handle the situation.

Last time I had to deal with this I talked to Her friend ( a girl ) so that probably helped .. but I didn't tried to talk to the other guys who are hitting on Her, that could give me also a lot more opportunities to talk to her without looking like another orbiter.

On the other hand I will have to handle their attempts to cock-block me but that's actually a good thing because if she sees that I will be the one winning.

Will try next time, Thanks

Maybe try taking her to a different venue, or bringing her outside for a smoke.

If I would be already in that "stage" there wouldn't be any more competition around. However her "game" often times last most of the available time so you really just play her game until all other guys give up or shoot themselves into foot and then everything has to happen really fast at the end of the night so most of the time venue change is not an option. Mainly because these girls "shields" are in form of being extremely passive, she is just not helping you not the slightest little bit while some other girls do at least something to give you the opportunity, like they go aside and sit alone for a while hoping you will come around and use the opportunity to talk to her.

Girls who are down to some really long nights and venue changes don't do this kind of shit at least in my experience. They want fun and the pre-selection happens more rapidly.

[JackinMelbourne]

Couple of terrible responses in this thread but whatever, it's a forum.

All I'm going to say is run some deeper tests.

Next chick that does this, do what you didn't do last time and see what happens.

You are repeating your moves and getting the same results.

Do what you have feared: push through and go ultra direct in the face of adversity.

Who gives a shit what some randoms think or how it looks to them, you don't know them and may never see them again...

[Andrej]

(05-05-2019 11:10 PM)JackinMelbourne Wrote:  

Couple of terrible responses in this thread but whatever, it's a forum.

All I'm going to say is run some deeper tests.

Next chick that does this, do what you didn't do last time and see what happens.

You are repeating your moves and getting the same results.

Do what you have feared: push through and go ultra direct in the face of adversity.

Who gives a shit what some randoms think or how it looks to them, you don't know them and may never see them again...

Hi JackinMelbourne,

I totally agree, doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same result is the definition of insanity .. and the major problem of most PUA I have personally known. I do realize this and that's why I managed to get pretty damn good progress in something over a year from complete newbie.

I know I have to 'try' something and that's why I started this thread, I am looking for some tips, inspiration whatever to make some plan, because in the field things have to happen fast I don't have time to think what I could 'try'. Having a plan beforehand helped me so far.

For now all I can do is to push a little bit more and try to talk to the 'competition' as well instead of waiting until they give up or something .. In the case she invites a friend confrontation is pretty much the only option, so I have to do it. But I would like to have some idea how to do it, the best way.

Andrej