[germanico]

I lived with an ex girlfriend for about 10 months some time ago, not paying rent or giving her any cash for utilities. (I did stock up her fridge and fixed things around the house at my expense) I had my own place but it was a really shitty one and she had HBO so I just stayed at her place all the time. (I think I stayed at my own place twice in that time)

Its actually a bad idea, gives her the upper hand in the relationship, and though my girl never used it, gives her too much leverage over what you do, where you go and how you spend your money. Instead of being the live in boyfriend you become the sleep in pet.

If you dont have a place of your own, you have much bigger problems that hooking up.

Get your shit together.

[felix_vagabondo]

(05-09-2019 01:42 PM)Shimmy Wrote:  

I've met both Zoom and Papi Rico, not only do neither of them have 9 to 5's, but both of them can afford their own accommodation.

Where does this cash come from if not working? The lottery? Inheritance? Unfortunately I'm not much of a gambler, and I never had a rich grandpa.

How are these accomodations procured without labor?

[felix_vagabondo]

(05-09-2019 03:15 PM)germanico Wrote:  

Its actually a bad idea, gives her the upper hand in the relationship, and [...] too much leverage over what you do [...]

I can easily see it going that way for a guest who is afraid of the uncertainty involved in hitting the road.

My current host understands that I will come and go as I please, because I've already demonstrated it.

Her level of happiness or contentment with our arrangement is not something I focus on. That is on her.

If it were any other way, my goodbyes would be brief.

I've traveled with a backpack, slept many a night in an unexpected place, and filled my belly with the abundant surplus of an over-engorged technological society.

Things always work out, as if I'm being handled by a guardian angel.

There's no need to linger in a shitty dynamic.

[Papi Rico]

(05-09-2019 03:28 PM)felix_vagabondo Wrote:  

I've...filled my belly with the abundant surplus of an over-engorged technological society.

Is this your roundabout way of saying that you've eaten out of the trash?

Your writing is not bad; get a fucking job.

[Shifty]

Felix, could you go more into detail on how you do it?

For example if you are talking to these girls on Tinder when do you mention the "couch surfing", I would assume this is a hard pitch before meeeting in real life unless you are dealing with a girl below your league or she is just looking for sex?

Where are you able to achieve this reliably? I'm assuming in most expensive cities it is harder to pull off since people usually share their apartment with roommates. What age group is the best to target? Are you going out with these girls first on a casual date or just going directly to their place?

[felix_vagabondo]

(05-09-2019 08:54 PM)Papi Rico Wrote:  

Is this your roundabout way of saying that you've eaten out of the trash?

It's my way of saying that our society condones the employment of 5-year-old migrants sweating it out in the produce fields with no labor protections or minimum wage, so food is actually pretty damn cheap if you cook it yourself.

But, since you asked; yes, I've dabbled in freeganism.

(05-09-2019 08:54 PM)Papi Rico Wrote:  

Your writing is not bad; get a fucking job.

I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks for reading!

(05-09-2019 09:15 PM)Shifty Wrote:  

[...]if you are talking to these girls on Tinder when do you mention the "couch surfing", I would assume this is a hard pitch before meeeting in real life unless you are dealing with a girl below your league or she is just looking for sex?

Aren't you a newbie?

This is a pretty specialized approach.

If you're interested in learning the craft and art of pickup game, I'd advise you focus on running conventional pickup with an eye towards scoring yourself a few notches and getting a feel for fostering some nascent romance. Then see where it takes you.

But for the sake of entertainment... It might come to you as a surprise that a bounteous contingent of the women in today's western societies are "just looking for sex."

My task as a pickup artist is nothing more and nothing less than going out in public to query one bangable woman after the other in a benign-seeming way to determine whether or not she qualifies for this glorious distinction.

If you subtly plant a seed in the conversation to the effect of you can't bring her back to your place because you're traveling or have a roommate but you don't mind coming over to her place then you might score yourself a night or two in the sheets.

Bonus points if it's a pillowtop Tempurpedic mattress.

If you and a girl mark wind up connecting emotionally, physically, mentally, spending some quality time together, then she might start liking your company enough that you've got yourself a week of free rent before she kicks your ass to the curb.

If you can really touch her soul and form a deep bond, she'll start to think of you as a potential fixer-upper boyfriend, and then you might get your own set of keys.

If she's young and naïve, she'll start to fancy the idea that she can tame you of your wild ways and teach you to love the "right way," like a domesticated citizen-taxpayer.

If she's older, she'll think of you as a mother would her child, and she'll be thrilled by how you make her feel sexy again

Keep it up a little longer and you'll be on the brink of enjoying tenant's rights.

None of this is relevant if you're on the first date and you discover that she's in the same desperate boat as you, at which point, go for the bang in a vehicle and drop her off at the end of the night.

On the other hand, if you find a broke hottie you like, you might get her to follow you on a camping trip, and y'all will turn the wilderness into your fuck-palace.


As for Tinder, the matches are a dime a dozen... and you get what you pay for.

Online dating is a waste of time for a man really interested in learning pickup.

Run some game at the supermarket or in a bar if you want to meet better quality girls.

To be honest, Tinder, it's almost a false economy, but since, when these girls want to meet, it's so easy to bang and pretty much already set up... well, why not?

A lot of the girls I've fucked off Tinder are a solid 2 points below anything that I'd remotely consider approaching in a day game scenario, but it's so damn convenient and requires such little effort.

You show up on the date and there's this moment when you first lay eyes on her and regret coming.

But then you've already made the trip over and she's clearly ready to get the dick.

During the initial texting, you can ask these attention-seeking whores whatever you want, short of deploying explicitly abusive speech that might get a user banned from the platform.

From the girl's point of view, she's letting you crash because you have something she wants, whether it be dick, romance, entertainment, attention.

You'd love to meet up and get to know her, but you're traveling (broke) and can't visit her unless she can help you find a place to crash for a few nights.

Use the copy and paste function on your smartphone to screen the matches (with minor customization, as needed) and get it over with faster.

She'll either say yes or she won't. Don't put a lot of effort into it.

You'll get along better if you fuck her, but if you show up and she's not bangable, you might still get a couple days on the couch before she starts feeling butthurt and rejected.

Make sure to have your bags packed and ready to go, like a Continental Army minuteman.

If you find one you like and want to spend some more time with, it's all about getting her excited to live vicariously through you while simultaneously attempting to tame you, the wind-borne vagabond with a light and open heart.

[Obermarschall]

There are a lot of chicks who have this 'helper' syndrome or whatever it is called, so I can see this happening. Or you just lie a bit and say that you've got trouble. So, where is the problem to stay for a few days...weeks or even months.

And let's be honest: History has shown us that we men, always paid for women, not only with money, but even with our own LIFE!
Nowadays many men pay even much more due to divorce-rape. Yesterday, I scrolled through some Bitcoin related forums and I found a post, where a guy sold all of his BTC, because that bitch was threatening him to take away his child. He had to give his live savings and ALL OF HIS BTC! Let that sink in.

They want EQUALITY? Fine, they can have it and equality also includes paying for us men or by giving us stuff for free!
As long as the situation is not changing, I find it totally acceptable to take advantage (financially) of women.

[Shifty]

Felix, while I am still a newbie in the forum it does not mean I am completely clueless. While I appreciate your advice, I was looking for more specialized knowledge. For example: Cities/countries where it's easier/harder to accomplish, screening methods, age group you target etc. I'm not referring to how to game in general, I was just looking for you to post a more detailed datasheet regarding your methods and where you do it.

While your advice is useful for gaming in general, most of us already know you can bang a girl at her place if she doesn't live with her parents.

[felix_vagabondo]

(05-10-2019 02:13 PM)Shifty Wrote:  

[...] Cities/countries where it's easier/harder to accomplish [...]

The big cities in the Western liberal democracies are full of single feminist women in the 22-35 age range.

They're career-minded, and like anybody who slaves away in an office for 40+ hours/week, they have to justify the sacrifice of their prime years and their health upon the altar of private enterprise.

Otherwise, what's the point of working so hard for all this money?

So they take their cash and rent out some private digs in a hip neighborhood.


They want to climb the career ladder and be like a man.

Getting married and having kids is either off the table entirely, or a future endeavor they (incorrectly) assume they can postpone til a vaguely defined time in their 40's.

Her earning potential and social status has surpassed many of the men who would want to date her, so her standards for a potential husband are impossibly high.

But she's still technically a woman.

Her heart and body crave romance and dick.

This is where the PUA comes in.

The savvy pickup artist is God's answer to a glut of horny single women who're now financially and reproductively empowered and have been brainwashed into hating their natural role as nurterers, mothers and as sexual objects for men.

Even though these hard-wired proclivities are actively repressed, they are powerful and will break through.

They must somehow be expressed.

"Don't sexualize me!" they chant at their feminist meetings.

But it wasn't me who sexualized you, it was your Creator.



Just run regular pickup game and see where it takes you.

It's a numbers game. These career women are all over the place.

You'll find her eventually.

I never said it was a science or a sure bet.

Have other options and don't make obtaining a sexy sugar mama in her late 20s the end-all, be-all objective.

She has to know that you'll hit the road if she doesn't please you.


The working-class chicks are all worked to the bone and living on top of seven roommates in a sardine tin can in the hood.

They deal with the stress by turning to pot, cigarettes and booze.

With such an erratic inner mental life, this woman is unlikely to be a pleasant host.

The self-respecting, red pilled man refuses to absorb this negativity and will soon go on his way.

(05-10-2019 02:13 PM)Shifty Wrote:  

[...] most of us already know you can bang a girl at her place if she doesn't live with her parents.

Now you're talking my language.

Maybe you don't need my advice after all.

Take this kernel of game you already possess, plant it in a fertile place, and water it.

You might find yourself waking up one day in a comfortable abode with no more responsibility than the periodic issuance of a good, hard pounding upon a hot babe who, adrift in a sea of feminist drivel, forgot her role as a woman on a phenomenal level, but on an animal and spiritual level still inwardly craves your masculine attention.