[MrLemon]

This is where I personally predict US society is headed in the next 15-20 years.

The first 5 steps are economic policy, the second 5 steps are social changes.

1. Shut the borders economically. Abollsh the h1b and h2b program. Shut down trade of all manufactured good with China, and all IT services/software with India. That doesn't mean becoming a hermit kingdom, it just means the US goes back to being self-sufficient and having a policy of protecting it's own citizens first, as it was for centuries. We join Japan, China, Korea, and other nations that already do this.
2. Focus on a program of training, job protection, and upskilling. Double the average wage of the middle class (beyond inflation) thus restoring the middle class to it's historic wage position.
3. Massive automation and AI to raise standards of living. Gonna happen anyway, but as in the past, it can be handled smartly and produce more jobs than it destroys.
4. Adoption of Bitcoin as reserve currency for US.
5. Huge building spree to make housing widely available at low prices to all citizens. Government policies directed at ending the "renter" society and intentionally lowering real estate prices.

- Social -

6. Abolish no-fault divorce and most forms of abortion.
7. 100% return of gays and transexuals to the closet. Removal of their agendas from the public discourse. Otherwise leave them be.
8. Massive social programs to focus women (and therefore men) on marriage and family. Women who have 2 or more kids get to join a club that idolizes them in some kind of "hall of fame".
9. Large scale return to religion. Whatever kind, we don't care.
10. Recognition that the excesses of the hippy generation -- free sex, self-indulgence, and narcissism -- was an evil historical aberration.

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Please post your own 10-step policies or intelligent (non-trolling) critique of my policies below. If you don't like this thread and just want to trash it, get off my lawn.

[Conquistador]

I like the thread and your ideas if it wasn't for the U.S. already being in the FUBAR category.

[trickster]

6 through 10 are on point Dr. Lemon. Very well done. Financially, I would close the hell down 75 percent of the 4 year colleges in this country. They are scams. Replace them with more trade schools and community colleges. That would fit in nicely with your second bullet.

[Manbeline]

Interestingly, all of those usually happened with a war. War forced people to become secure and suddenly first world problems are thrown out the window. Humans naturally withdraw into safety of their nature when their lives are threatened. If Seattle or any liberal hub was told tomorrow that a war is coming and they might not live the next day, agendas would change overnight.

[MrLemon]

(04-14-2019 01:03 PM)Manbeline Wrote:  

Interestingly, all of those usually happened with a war. War forced people to become secure and suddenly first world problems are thrown out the window. Humans naturally withdraw into safety of their nature when their lives are threatened. If Seattle or any liberal hub was told tomorrow that a war is coming and they might not live the next day, agendas would change overnight.

Great point. I was considering whether to talk about that in the post. In the past, the only way to wrench a society away from the path of degradation -- which the US is on today -- is revolution/famine/war. People never voluntarily become chaste and virtuous once they taste the fruits of degradation.

The roman empire lasted a long time and went through many disasters and revolutions which served to cleanse and purge.

The question is, can a modern post WWII nuclear-tipped, internet-powered society cleanse and purge itself without a war or famine?

[Sherman]

(04-14-2019 12:58 PM)trickster Wrote:  

6 through 10 are on point Dr. Lemon. Very well done. Financially, I would close the hell down 75 percent of the 4 year colleges in this country. They are scams. Replace them with more trade schools and community colleges. That would fit in nicely with your second bullet.

When Coursera first came out, I took as many of the free courses as I could. Coursera convinced me that colleges are obsolete and a high quality education is possible by Internet. The courses were taught by some of the best instructors in the country, the material made easy to understand, and practical application made possible by instructional software. College wastes an enormous amount of time teaching useless stuff, or good stuff taught by bad teachers. Most students retain very little of what they were suppose to learn. It should only take 2 years, and not 4 years. Some law schools even now offer two year programs to get a JD. Education over the Internet would destroy the left's propaganda platform and would make it economically feasible for students. The current system has become too expensive, and Internet college is the solution.

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1. Oy vey! without the talents and genius of immigrants America has no chance of staying on top.

2. Double the wages? America is a free market, can't just pay goyims more money for digging ditches! Besides, why would you work if you can pay for everything easily with your increased purchasing power?

3. Yes. Increase productivity further. Your wages however will stay the same.

4. Central banks cannot print Bitcoin. The idea of doing such a thing is anti-Semitic. You work for money, we print it. That's how it works goy!

5. Without any mortgages who will be worker slaves for 30+ years? You haven't thought this through, goyim.

6. Divorces are profitable for courts, lawyers and social workers. Women also need to be protected from bad men like yourself.

7. Homophobia. Transphobia. Such hate speech needs to be punished.

8. Better idea. Donate more money to Israel.

9. Such antiquated notions. Modern people believe in science and government.

10. Try convincing your women to get off Instagram and Tinder first. You can't do it goyim, we have won.

[aeroektar]

I don't believe restoration is a viable path anymore, complete collapse will take place during our lives, but I believe a segment of society will prevail and carry on the original spirit, I'm just unsure of the borders and population size after all is said and done.

Even then, I'm more concerned with things on a very local level. We've put too much faith in overarching governing bodies.

[ChicagoFire]

(04-14-2019 01:34 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

(04-14-2019 12:58 PM)trickster Wrote:  

6 through 10 are on point Dr. Lemon. Very well done. Financially, I would close the hell down 75 percent of the 4 year colleges in this country. They are scams. Replace them with more trade schools and community colleges. That would fit in nicely with your second bullet.

When Coursera first came out, I took as many of the free courses as I could. Coursera convinced me that colleges are obsolete and a high quality education is possible by Internet. The courses were taught by some of the best instructors in the country, the material made easy to understand, and practical application made possible by instructional software. College wastes an enormous amount of time teaching useless stuff, or good stuff taught by bad teachers. Most students retain very little of what they were suppose to learn. It should only take 2 years, and not 4 years. Some law schools even now offer two year programs to get a JD. Education over the Internet would destroy the left's propaganda platform and would make it economically feasible for students. The current system has become too expensive, and Internet college is the solution.

https://www.uopeople.edu/

With these kinds of programs all you pay is testing fees and you get a degree from an accredited university.

Yeah yeah some people will complain they want to do a program like English that isn't at University of the People and make the absurd justification that they are willing to pay 40K+ to obtain it.

[trickster]

Online classes are perfectly fine for learning but don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater: colleges are not obsolete. What you need to understand is that when King Trickster shutters 75 percent of the scam 4 year colleges, those students won’t be enrolled at the remaining institutions. They wil go to trade schools, two year degree schools, etc...The young adults (maybe some young women) that go to 4 year schools will be the upper 25 percent. They will be trained in a major that has a specific and key function in society. College as we understand it will be abolished.

You are correct about law school. Three years is also a scam. The new 4 year schools would incorporate undergrad as we know it with graduate school as we know it. There is no reason other than profit motive and extended childhood that an attorney must go through 7 years of schooling. Four is more than sufficient.

[Deepdiver]

Interesting my new preventative Cardiologist Fellow is only 25 and works one day a week at the Boston VA VISN for VA Scale Wages (No Malpractice Surcharges). My blood pressure has been all over the place and after a 1 hour visit of me making him intrigued by all of my master red pilling he did about 15 minutes of records reviews and analysis and adjusted my meds to where I am now at 135 over 78 BP the lower number being quite important - I must have begun developing HBP in the service and now is the first time in about 10 years it can be described as under control...

Turns out he is a Palestinian who went into a premed program at 15 years of Age at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland Medical University of Bahrain and at 25 is now a Preventative Cardiac fellow and my new Red Pill Pupil in thanks for helping to possibly save or at least prolong and improve my life and bang-ability.

The US Medical Schools system leaves plenty to be desired and it is not necessary to take on (((($250K of Debt)))) and become a lifetime (((debt slave))) to achieve an advanced STEM education. He told me he has no debt and did not come from a rich family. Results speak louder than words. Go figure.

https://www.rcsi.com/bahrain/about-rcsi-bahrain

[Vladimir Poontang]

Arranged marriages, public floggings, pay women 77%.

[questor70]

"Massive automation and AI to raise standards of living. Gonna happen anyway, but as in the past, it can be handled smartly and produce more jobs than it destroys."

Explain how that works because common sense says the reverse.

[Thrill Jackson]

(04-14-2019 04:06 PM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

Interesting my new preventative Cardiologist Fellow is only 25 and works one day a week at the Boston VA VISN for VA Scale Wages (No Malpractice Surcharges). My blood pressure has been all over the place and after a 1 hour visit of me making him intrigued by all of my master red pilling he did about 15 minutes of records reviews and analysis and adjusted my meds to where I am now at 135 over 78 BP the lower number being quite important - I must have begun developing HBP in the service and now is the first time in about 10 years it can be described as under control...

Turns out he is a Palestinian who went into a premed program at 15 years of Age at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland Medical University of Bahrain and at 25 is now a Preventative Cardiac fellow and my new Red Pill Pupil in thanks for helping to possibly save or at least prolong and improve my life and bang-ability.

The US Medical Schools system leaves plenty to be desired and it is not necessary to take on (((($250K of Debt)))) and become a lifetime (((debt slave))) to achieve an advanced STEM education. He told me he has no debt and did not come from a rich family. Results speak louder than words. Go figure.

https://www.rcsi.com/bahrain/about-rcsi-bahrain

Hats off to that guy and Palestine for having a great program!

[MrLemon]

(04-15-2019 08:55 AM)questor70 Wrote:  

"Massive automation and AI to raise standards of living. Gonna happen anyway, but as in the past, it can be handled smartly and produce more jobs than it destroys."

Explain how that works because common sense says the reverse.

OK. In my experience, in this case 'common sense" is wrong. You have to be strong minded to resist the panic and understand the underlying truth.

The most automated nations -- Japan, US, Germany -- have the highest pay and create the most jobs.

Japan...automation.
Nigera...no automation.

Which is better?

Without exception, in every period of history, automation creates more jobs than it destroys. Always.

Look at history. Wev'e been through this a dozen times. Workers have always complained when there was a wave of automation. They always claim the machines are "taking away jobs". It NEVER happens in the long term. Never. Or more specifically, we would say "machines take away jobs and new ones are quickly created".

I was involved in the first wave of PCs in the 1990s. I remember that people were screaming that word processors would destroy jobs by taking away work from secrataries. Didn't happen ever. What happened is that the companies just moved the secrataries to other more important roles. Every company is desperate to get more done, they're always scrambling, and those former secrataries were made into office managers, plant managers, etc etc.

There are infinite new and better jobs waiting in the wings, waiting to be opened as soon as people are freed from whatever lesser jobs the robots take. There is infinite work to be done.

All of this however assumes that you don't have 50 million cheap overseas Indian IT workers ready to swarm in and take away the new jobs being created. And you don't have a billion starving mexicans waiting to crash the borders. Immigration is the real problem. Automation is not the real problem, that's a classic bullshit corporate bait 'n switch.

[aeroektar]

(04-15-2019 12:08 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

There are infinite new and better jobs waiting in the wings, waiting to be opened as soon as people are freed from whatever lesser jobs the robots take. There is infinite work to be done.

What are these great jobs you have in mind?

Good jobs are jobs you derive meaning from, that give you sense of accomplishment. The guy who fixes your furnace when it's freezing outside might swear a lot while he's fixing it, but he knows how much you appreciate him and is rewarded by the smile on your face when you hear it kick on and realize you won't freeze to death that night.

The only real meaningful jobs are feeding people, keeping people safe, keeping people housed, keeping people healthy, keeping people organized, and keeping people stimulated/informed/happy (education, news, entertainment). The only way you derive meaning is from being directly involved so that you can see that you've made a difference. Too many people hate their jobs because they are already too far removed, a small part of a giant organism, in an unrewarding position, and honestly unneeded in the economy, only there because some asshole was told by another asshole to hire more people. There's already a surplus of restaurants, supermarkets, banks, cops, firefighters, doctors, teachers etc. We could decrease the workforce, rely only on those truly skilled at there job, increase the workload, and everything would be fine.

None of this would be an issue if women resumed their biological role as mothers and wives. They should be almost entirely removed from the workforce.

Automation and AI will only worsen every aspect of our already broken society.

[Geomann180]

Assuming I have dictatorial powers, here are my ten(?) policies.

1. "Fuck off, we're full" policy: 50 year Moratorium on Immigration. All illegals rounded up, DNA entered on database, and repatriated to home countries. If we can't determine citizenship, we'll dump them in Mexico until Mexico builds a wall, and then Canada. Recidivists will be executed. Illegals caught committing crimes will be executed, if found guilty.

2. Freedom of association act: It is no longer illegal to descriminate in the private sector. It is no longer illegal to create men/women only, black/white/yella/whateva only clubs or establishments. It's no longer illegal to refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple. Government, no change from now, except affirmative action eliminated immediately.

3. Dual Citizenship Modifications: Dual citizenship allowed until 18 yo. If no choice made in 6 months, said citizen will be deported, along with their assets, to home country and stripped of obviously unwanted American citizenship. All dual citizens in government fired immediately.

4. Educational Changes: School path changed from 4-18 to 4-16 years old. Home schooling is encouraged and tests provided to allow students to test out of the last 2 years. Home ec, cooking, efficient cleaning/household maintenance, skinning animals, workshop, marksmanship are now required at schools. Draft instituted for 2 years mandatory service. College no longer for everyone but the smartest, affirmative action admissions eliminated. No government loans for college, grants only. Charm school, etiquette, basic nursing for 2 years for women. Schools allowed to segregate if they wish. Mandatory physical fitness tests for both boys and girls (different standards obviously). Coeducational schooling discouraged. Sex education discontinued, trannies and gays barred from employment as teachers. Affirmative action eliminated. Teachers caught canoodling with underage students (16 and under) executed, man or woman. Free divorce to spouses of said people.

5. Family changes: No fault divorce eliminated. Gay marriage abolished. Custody of children awared to spouse who does what they can to keep family together (i.e., wife cheats? Husband has option to never let her see her children again). Most divorce lawyers sent to Tesla to test rockets (used as cargo) that can orbit the sun. Divorce process made complicated, with mandatory marriage counseling that is designed to keep married couples together. Alimony abolished. Welfare to single mother families eliminated.

6. Military Changes: Immediate expulsion of women from combat arms. Elimination of most powerpoint "training" that seems designed to demoralize troops and waste their time, like the "Suicide Prevention Briefs" that make you want to kill yourself. Pulling out of all foreign theaters in rough 6-12 month schedule to allow for orderly return of US military personnel from overseas and sale of US equipment that would be too costly to ship back stateside. Dismantle most foreign bases (or sell them to host nations), minus stuff under SF purview/weather specific purview. Re-implement O-Clubs and E-Clubs. Expell all trannies, feminists. Fitness standards same for both sexes (until females are phased out of all but med services and the new hooker MOS - 69XXX. As part of program to rehab the military, school curriculum will have D&C, physical training, and basic marksmanship incorporated to make transition from civilian to military more seamless. Marksmanship competitions and training promoted and subsidized in every major city.

7. Foreign Policy: End all foreign aid. Bill countries with US bases in them for military support to help aid US return of US forces from abroad. Develop own oil resources enough that we can end partnership with Saudia Arabia.

8. Federal Policy Changes: Empower states to lower drinking age to 18 if they wish, no more witholding of Federal Highway taxes to force compliance. Implement standardized CC license + silence license across all states. Repeal firearms restrictions back to 1930s. Pot decriminalized. New G'ment department established to review laws and repeal outdated ones. Planned Parenthood defunded, it's founders executed and assets seized. Abortion illegal except in cases of rape or incest. Review of all laws suggested by dual citizens, especially when person was proponent of one law in US, and against it in home country (Chuck Schumer for abortion in US, against it in Israel). All corporate and foreign lobbies disbanded. Removal of personhood from corporations and return to holding owner(s) responsible for excesses of said corporations. E-verify established, companies heavily fined for employing illegal labor, disbanded and assets seized for the state to be disbursed to former veterans through a lottery system. Facebook/social media rendered public forums and therefore not allowed to censor material. Porn and smut no longer considered to be protected under free speech and therefore drastically curtailed. Most porn companies owned by foreign nationals or dual citizens closed down, assets seized. Porn illegal on all social media and on cellphones. Computer venders encouraged to include porn blockers on computers bought for or by the underage (18 or younger). Big newspapers trust busted and broken down into smaller companies. Foreign nationals and companies are will no longer be allowed to own American public land such as highways. Said land and companies will be bought and then folded into US G'ment. Drastic changes to US gov' payroll, such that US G'ment can pay industry rates and land itself industry quality people. Abolishment of property tax.

9.Red Purge: Investigation into government, known Marxists deported or executed.

10. Money/Taxes: Plan to gradually restrict and then eliminate usury. Flat cap of 5% on loans. Families can receive one time loan from Daddy g'ment that can be ameliorated in 25% increments with each successive child. Not available to first generation families. New federal tax brackets ($0-60,000 at 0%, 60,001-120,000 at 10%, 120,000 - 1,000,000 at 15%, 20% for everything else). Corporate and business taxes revisited so that smaller businesses are not getting eliminated because they can't afford new tax whereas big Corp can (thus eliminating competition). Political donations from companies illegal. Social security eliminated (sorry Boomers).

Kinda ran out of ideas towards then when it came to off the cuff thinking.

G

[MrLemon]

(04-15-2019 01:25 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 12:08 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

There are infinite new and better jobs waiting in the wings, waiting to be opened as soon as people are freed from whatever lesser jobs the robots take. There is infinite work to be done.

What are these great jobs you have in mind?

That's where you have to have faith.

It's the same question they asked in the 1930s when we were building machines to wash dishes and launder clothes. The same question they asked in the 1800s when they automated the big factories. But the fact is, we have 10 times more employment, and at better jobs, now compared to then.

You have to trust that people adapt and change to fit the new environment. It takes faith, because neither you or I can predict what those new jobs will be.

[MrLemon]

(04-15-2019 03:10 PM)Geomann180 Wrote:  

Most divorce lawyers sent to Tesla to test rockets (used as cargo) that can orbit the sun.

Great idea, but we'd have to increase the rocket production. There are a lot of fat divorce lawyers out there.

[BlueMark]

(04-15-2019 04:11 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 01:25 PM)aeroektar Wrote:  

(04-15-2019 12:08 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

There are infinite new and better jobs waiting in the wings, waiting to be opened as soon as people are freed from whatever lesser jobs the robots take. There is infinite work to be done.

What are these great jobs you have in mind?

That's where you have to have faith.

It's the same question they asked in the 1930s when we were building machines to wash dishes and launder clothes. The same question they asked in the 1800s when they automated the big factories. But the fact is, we have 10 times more employment, and at better jobs, now compared to then.

You have to trust that people adapt and change to fit the new environment. It takes faith, because neither you or I can predict what those new jobs will be.

The previous technological revolutions were not without ill effects.

Industrial revolution => family no longer a single economic unit, fathers left their homes to work in factories leaving children to be raised by their mothers'.

Postwar appliances => bored housewives, feminism, and marriage 2.0.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(04-14-2019 11:56 AM)MrLemon Wrote:  

This is where I personally predict US society is headed in the next 15-20 years.

The first 5 steps are economic policy, the second 5 steps are social changes.

1. Shut the borders economically. Abollsh the h1b and h2b program. Shut down trade of all manufactured good with China, and all IT services/software with India. That doesn't mean becoming a hermit kingdom, it just means the US goes back to being self-sufficient and having a policy of protecting it's own citizens first, as it was for centuries. We join Japan, China, Korea, and other nations that already do this.
2. Focus on a program of training, job protection, and upskilling. Double the average wage of the middle class (beyond inflation) thus restoring the middle class to it's historic wage position.
3. Massive automation and AI to raise standards of living. Gonna happen anyway, but as in the past, it can be handled smartly and produce more jobs than it destroys.
4. Adoption of Bitcoin as reserve currency for US.
5. Huge building spree to make housing widely available at low prices to all citizens. Government policies directed at ending the "renter" society and intentionally lowering real estate prices.

- Social -

6. Abolish no-fault divorce and most forms of abortion.
7. 100% return of gays and transexuals to the closet. Removal of their agendas from the public discourse. Otherwise leave them be.
8. Massive social programs to focus women (and therefore men) on marriage and family. Women who have 2 or more kids get to join a club that idolizes them in some kind of "hall of fame".
9. Large scale return to religion. Whatever kind, we don't care.
10. Recognition that the excesses of the hippy generation -- free sex, self-indulgence, and narcissism -- was an evil historical aberration.

--

Please post your own 10-step policies or intelligent (non-trolling) critique of my policies below. If you don't like this thread and just want to trash it, get off my lawn.

You know Bitcoin exists at the pleasure of the Chinese government, right?
One phone call to Bitmain and the entire network is screwed forever.