[ElJefe1]

(04-19-2019 07:20 AM)Goni Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 09:22 AM)superschalk Wrote:  

Belgrade is one of the toughest cities in EE for gaming while Kiev is one of the easiest cities (still despite things getting worse). In Belgrade everyone smokes everywhere. So what I understand from your priorities there is no reason for you to look into Belgrade.

(04-07-2019 06:20 AM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  

Balkan girls are one of the hardest in Europe, Ukrainian ones are one of the easiest.


Belgrade people and girls in particular are too stuck up, they think they are better than they are, don't know if foreigner who isn't familiar with the culture can see it.
They don't really see much value in a foreigner unless you are Chad with some money to spend as looks wise local guys are good looking, smooth and street smart.
On the other hand Ukrainian men are one of the worst looking in Europe.

Cost of living? I would say it is about the same

First of all it is not true that Ukrainian girls are some of the easiest in Europe.

Secondly do not round up Balkans as a whole.

There are considerable differences between balkan nations.

For example in Croatia a black dude banged like 16 Croatian girls in 40+ days while i can not imagine that in Albania or Bosnia.

When you speak, is that from your experience ?

Because Belgrade is far from being one of the toughest cities in EE. It depends what you put in EE though.

I would say Belgrade is the easiest capital in western balkans to bang girls.

I was there for 1 week for business issues.

However with me were 2 friends of mine, one of them a white american.

During that week each of them banged 2 serbian girls.

From Tinder and daygame.

The very 2 same guys some weeks later went in Kiev .

They stayed for 10 days and had 0 success.

They used the same strategy.


So it always depends.

The guy you mention who banged 16+ in Croatia in 40 days is a friend of mine we hung out in London a few times. Croatia I definitely like but I’ve always done much better in belgrade and to put it in perspective I always do well in Croatia Zagreb during the school year and on the coast in the summer.

@Cation I have nothing to prove so sending you some type of proof well not going to happens. Though I’ve hung out with a few forum members while in Belgrade and they’ve seen and know again what you believe matters zero to me so let’s just leave it here.

[Cation]

(04-20-2019 01:31 PM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  

@Cation I have nothing to prove so sending you some type of proof well not going to happens. Though I’ve hung out with a few forum members while in Belgrade and they’ve seen and know again what you believe matters zero to me so let’s just leave it here.

I am not going to apologize for being skeptical. It's interesting that those "few forum members while in Belgrade and they’ve seen and know" are quiet on this topic.

Guys could see infield videos od PUAs getting phone numbers while doing day game and then think that some guy is the real deal. Which is stupid, since we know a phone number means nothing if you don't turn it into something palpable.

[EastAsianbro]

Dont forget ElJefe is a black dude. they have their niche in Belgrade.

[Cation]

Yeah, I'll believe it if I see it.

[Beirut]

Ive seen it and know it and have known a few serbian girls who have a strong thing for black dudes. Its inevitable in a country that likes nightlife btw.

Local dudes can never judge local womens behavior with foreigners, they just tell the local dudes what they want to hear and do their thing on the sly. Happens to all of us.

Ive had a positive experience in Belgrade and had good results. You can stumble into a few ONS and quick hookups and for the rest its simply a matter of time and seeing them a few times and penetrating their circle of gfs. 2 of my hookups last time were from friends of the girl i was actually hitting on at first.

I can see how a black dude can have quicker results as well with their image and the nightlife scene. One girl i hooked up with who was heavy into partying told me she had a black dude phase where she would just zero in on any she saw. And that girl had a whole circle of hot slutty looking girls.

[ElJefe1]

Definitely helps that I’m black and American, helps even more im 6’3” and work out five days a week. I have a nice social circle of few local guys, girls, and foreigners that there there for work.

[Cation]

I see.

So like I thought, it has nothing to do with Belgrade being easy.

[ElJefe1]

But it is easy.... I’ll have to say from reading your posts here and in other threads you just seem like one of those guys who’s salty for no reason, I mean all these flavors out here why you choose to be salty?

[Bananaman711]

ElJefe,

You are missing the point, its is easy FOR you coz you have above average SMV due to blackness, height and great body, that is exotic factor a few can dream of especially in a country where there is virtually no blacks.
There will always be a subset of loose and curios girls who want to try black dick and you are the only supplier in town, its almost impossible to not succeed.

That does now mean its easy for an average white westerner who looks no different than a local guy.

[BangBoy123]

I rarely saw black guys with hotties in Serbia, not in the daytime at least, but I did see a fair few in the clubs. Most black guys that go to Belgrade are basketball players, thus balling at the clubs and have status.

Let's not forget that black guys often like the more voluptuous type, and there are plenty of those in Serbia if that's your taste.

Things might have changed since I was there

[ElJefe1]

(04-25-2019 12:21 PM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  

ElJefe,

You are missing the point, its is easy FOR you coz you have above average SMV due to blackness, height and great body, that is exotic factor a few can dream of especially in a country where there is virtually no blacks.
There will always be a subset of loose and curios girls who want to try black dick and you are the only supplier in town, its almost impossible to not succeed.

That does now mean its easy for an average white westerner who looks no different than a local guy.

I understand the point you’re trying to make, it really at the end of the day sounds like excuses. Belgrade is easy if you dress well, take care of yourself the ability to make a girl smile keep them entertained just don’t be weird etc.... these are things too many people on these forums don’t seem to grasp the simple basics. Like when I hear people say “black guys don’t do well in Thailand or Asia” or “black guys only do well in EE cause they’re black” I just kind of smile and laugh at the end of the day.

[sterling_archer]

(04-24-2019 02:15 PM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  

But it is easy.... I’ll have to say from reading your posts here and in other threads you just seem like one of those guys who’s salty for no reason, I mean all these flavors out here why you choose to be salty?

Like Bananaman said to you, the fact you are black gave you advantage and results (same thing with Napoleon in Croatia) better than most foreigners. Considering the fact what people in Balkans think about blacks, which may or may not be true (aggressive, physically imposing, big dicks LOL, etc.), made you interesting as you have exotic factor, it is simple as that. If there were many blacks here, this effect would be much less obvious and functional.

Napoleon was center of attention of many Croatian mainstream media and in comments you could easily see what perception people have. Lot of comments were red pilled with occasional blue pill ignorant thinking or racism.

[BangBoy123]

Being black gives you an advantage in Serbia? Over who?

When guys tell me a Slavic country is easy I raise my eyebrows I must admit, I question the quality. It might be that he's banging what other guys may consider 6's or maybe he's a model banger.

Deepak Wayne has an advantage over most guys, the man is a stud, watch and learn

https://youtu.be/D1rEDx3fGnY

[Elmore]

I always think an oft overlooked issue is the standard of the local guys in a country. Basically, what's the competition. And seems to me if i was to generalize that Serb men would be more masculine, attractive, better dressed and generally more higher value, than say Ukranian. Always struck me that in a lot of Slavic countries (at least the northern Slavs) the disparity between attractiveness of men and women was quite marked. That said, i've never been to either countries, so am open to be told i'm wrong here.

Any Serbia visitors have an opinion on this?

[ElJefe1]

(04-25-2019 03:40 PM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

Being black gives you an advantage in Serbia? Over who?

When guys tell me a Slavic country is easy I raise my eyebrows I must admit, I question the quality. It might be that he's banging what other guys may consider 6's or maybe he's a model banger.

Deepak Wayne has an advantage over most guys, the man is a stud, watch and learn

https://youtu.be/D1rEDx3fGnY

In not going to be that guy that says I only fuck models but definitely nothing subpar, definitely attractive, and slim is what I usually go for and get.

Watched this video this guy is working way too hard a lot of these girls know what’s happening when a guy is sitting in the square near the horse spam approaching every girl they see.

[ZAMSKI]

(04-25-2019 04:56 PM)Elmore Wrote:  

I always think an oft overlooked issue is the standard of the local guys in a country. Basically, what's the competition. And seems to me if i was to generalize that Serb men would be more masculine, attractive, better dressed and generally more higher value, than say Ukranian. Always struck me that in a lot of Slavic countries (at least the northern Slavs) the disparity between attractiveness of men and women was quite marked. That said, i've never been to either countries, so am open to be told i'm wrong here.

Any Serbia visitors have an opinion on this?

Yo man, I'll bite. I lived in Novi Sad for a month and right before that I was in Kiev for 3 months. I would say your sentiments are right. I'm a South East Asian guy, 173 cm, decent looks and decently fit. I found it was pretty easy to get attraction in Ukraine upon approach DG and NG. Lots of decent matches too on Tinder. It is quite easy to beat Ukrainian guys in terms of physical SMV if you are fit, well groomed, and well dressed. This is not the case in Serbia. Serbian women have a much higher physical attractiveness threshold than Ukrainian women. You can find some SMV disparity in Serbia but no where near as much as Ukraine.

With regards to being black in Serbia, I'll say this. First of all, if you are 6'3", hit the gym 5 days a week, and have decent looks you are in a great position to do well in Serbia regardless of race. If you are all that plus you are black, it's even better. Black men definitely have the most exotic factor in Serbia. The Serb girl I was seeing during my time there even told me this.

Most of my time I spent in Novi Sad, I hung out with a 5'5" fit young American black guy. He's runs a very successful internet marketing company with a full time Serbian staff. The girls he got were legit as fuck...all 7+ IMO. The hottest girl he got with stalked him on Insta after she saw him at a hip hop bar (I think it was called Cuba Libre).

Anyways, take it for what's it worth, and best of luck!

[ElJefe1]

(04-26-2019 01:51 AM)ZAMSKI Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 04:56 PM)Elmore Wrote:  

I always think an oft overlooked issue is the standard of the local guys in a country. Basically, what's the competition. And seems to me if i was to generalize that Serb men would be more masculine, attractive, better dressed and generally more higher value, than say Ukranian. Always struck me that in a lot of Slavic countries (at least the northern Slavs) the disparity between attractiveness of men and women was quite marked. That said, i've never been to either countries, so am open to be told i'm wrong here.

Any Serbia visitors have an opinion on this?

Yo man, I'll bite. I lived in Novi Sad for a month and right before that I was in Kiev for 3 months. I would say your sentiments are right. I'm a South East Asian guy, 173 cm, decent looks and decently fit. I found it was pretty easy to get attraction in Ukraine upon approach DG and NG. Lots of decent matches too on Tinder. It is quite easy to beat Ukrainian guys in terms of physical SMV if you are fit, well groomed, and well dressed. This is not the case in Serbia. Serbian women have a much higher physical attractiveness threshold than Ukrainian women. You can find some SMV disparity in Serbia but no where near as much as Ukraine.

With regards to being black in Serbia, I'll say this. First of all, if you are 6'3", hit the gym 5 days a week, and have decent looks you are in a great position to do well in Serbia regardless of race. If you are all that plus you are black, it's even better. Black men definitely have the most exotic factor in Serbia. The Serb girl I was seeing during my time there even told me this.

Most of my time I spent in Novi Sad, I hung out with a 5'5" fit young American black guy. He's runs a very successful internet marketing company with a full time Serbian staff. The girls he got were legit as fuck...all 7+ IMO. The hottest girl he got with stalked him on Insta after she saw him at a hip hop bar (I think it was called Cuba Libre).

Anyways, take it for what's it worth, and best of luck!

Any chance you were in Novi Sad while ReadySetGo was living there?

[JohnKreese]

(04-20-2019 07:47 PM)Cation Wrote:  

(04-20-2019 01:31 PM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  

@Cation I have nothing to prove so sending you some type of proof well not going to happens. Though I’ve hung out with a few forum members while in Belgrade and they’ve seen and know again what you believe matters zero to me so let’s just leave it here.

I am not going to apologize for being skeptical. It's interesting that those "few forum members while in Belgrade and they’ve seen and know" are quiet on this topic.

Guys could see infield videos od PUAs getting phone numbers while doing day game and then think that some guy is the real deal. Which is stupid, since we know a phone number means nothing if you don't turn it into something palpable.

I was "quiet on the topic" because I'm just now reading this.

I've seen it from eljefe in Budapest and in Belgrade. What he's saying about himself is legit (probably only works out 4 days a week, though ).

[BangBoy123]

Being a tall good looking black man doesn't give you an advantage over a tall good looking white Serbian guy, unless the black guy is a quantity over quality type. Being a tall good looking white foreigner doesn't even give you an advantage over a Serb with the same stats ffs. Serbs like their own. And to be successful with the top hotties you need status.

We all have our different types of women we go for, eljefe says Serbia is easy, and it probably is for him, although others may prefer a challenge with different girls.

[Bananaman711]

(04-25-2019 12:59 PM)ElJefe1 Wrote:  

(04-25-2019 12:21 PM)Bananaman711 Wrote:  

ElJefe,

You are missing the point, its is easy FOR you coz you have above average SMV due to blackness, height and great body, that is exotic factor a few can dream of especially in a country where there is virtually no blacks.
There will always be a subset of loose and curios girls who want to try black dick and you are the only supplier in town, its almost impossible to not succeed.

That does now mean its easy for an average white westerner who looks no different than a local guy.

I understand the point you’re trying to make, it really at the end of the day sounds like excuses. Belgrade is easy if you dress well, take care of yourself the ability to make a girl smile keep them entertained just don’t be weird etc.... these are things too many people on these forums don’t seem to grasp the simple basics. Like when I hear people say “black guys don’t do well in Thailand or Asia” or “black guys only do well in EE cause they’re black” I just kind of smile and laugh at the end of the day.

I think you are underestimating your exotic value, I was in Asia where I was able to bang easily but I always knew it is because of my white skin, pointy nose and green eyes, not because I was dressing well or I that was amazingly funny person, my game was off on most day but still get lot of casual sex.
Local guys dress well but can not get laid easily unless its paid sex or LTR so I cant go up them an say 'hey, guys your chicks are easy, you should be banging' when I know it wouldn't work for them.

Why Roosh didn't do well in Serbia?
Simply because his SMV value wasn't high enough to get laid as easily as some jacked, tall black guy, he is middle aged and looks like local or Turk, nothing special about him in the eyes of local women apart from American passport but that in itself wont get you far.

Roosh talked about this in one of his video where he said something like you should go to places where you look very different compared to other men so you can take advantage of your uniqueness, you wanna stand out and be seen as just another dude.
It is not easy for average foreign men to stand out because Serbian men are stiff competition and they are not getting laid easily themselves, in fact they are more desperate for pussy than westerners, they tend to be jealous, possessive.

[ElJefe1]

(04-26-2019 03:43 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

Being a tall good looking black man doesn't give you an advantage over a tall good looking white Serbian guy, unless the black guy is a quantity over quality type. Being a tall good looking white foreigner doesn't even give you an advantage over a Serb with the same stats ffs. Serbs like their own. And to be successful with the top hotties you need status.

We all have our different types of women we go for, eljefe says Serbia is easy, and it probably is for him, although others may prefer a challenge with different girls.

Im not sure by what you mean by “prefer a challenge with different girls” elaborate a bit for me. I understand my “exotic factor” very well but let’s not kid ourselves it takes more than simply being black, as I said style, looks, good conversation, take care of yourself (ie good hygiene, workout) are what closes the deal and if your looks aren’t the best these things will open the door. Im not saying being a tall black man gives me an advantage over anyone I’ve only said Belgrade is easy not really as hard as people are making it out to be and banging quality girls/hotties/cuties whatever you want to call them isn’t super hard to do there. Definitely helps that the girls are actually cool af as opposed to BP where they can be cold as a Chicago winter yet still super slutty once you crack their cold bitchy exterior.

@Bannaman711 being middle age in the EE isn’t at all a hinderance I’d say it’s a positive.

@johnkreese 4 days a week ??? But muh gainz is gainzing

[ElJefe1]

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[zatara]

To be fair here ElJefe a 6ft 3, well dressed guy, with game, who goes to the gym 4 days a week, will slay it almost anywhere presuming he doesn't have the face of a mutant. Other people are probably putting a bit too much emphasis on the exotic factor, and/or doubting you - I 100% believe your experiences. But they definitely aren't a normal/typical experience, with that pretty exceptional résumé.

[ElJefe1]

This thread is getting derailed, it’s not about me it’s about Kiev or Belgrade and again I’d pick Belgrade it’s a fun city and it’s easyz

[MrRoundtree]

I haven't been to Kiev but assuming it's a similar level to Moscow I found Moscow easier than Belgrade. The girls just seem less tribal and more open-minded. Belgrade has a mentality closer to Italy.

Serbian girls are fine and fun but look a bit more tribal, the guys are not particularly good looking but are protective and big, you will feel more intiidated in a bar in Serbia than in Russia due to the bottle service tribal mentality in clubs, which means girls are pretty hard to approach. THey do seem to pinch asses or make obvious moves if they like a guy from what I remember.