[Gmac]

Personally, I think this whole "game a girl all night to the point of getting laid" bit is a false pretense. There is no such thing, but it can be a fun exercise when you take the G Man mocking out of it.

[rockdaspot]

(10-16-2011 03:43 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Ok, last hypothetical situation:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid.

This girl is beautiful. The hottest girl you have ever met in your life. She is in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Calender.

She is at your apartment, fully naked.

You are in DC and it is winter time. You are running the heat.

At that point are you going to present her pro-rated heating bill for the time you expect her to be taking advantage of your heat?

Because it would be "simping" if you didn't, right?

And you wouldn't be a true "player" unless you collected in full right?

Because she would be getting over on you, right?

I am just trying to keep this all straight.

I think I am getting this.

heat costs the same regardless how many people are in the room playa

to be clear, I respect you guys who are balling and be on some "I throw my money around and it helps me to get laid steez"

like I said before "get it how you live". if that's how you roll and how your lifestyle is then do you and keep doing that.

as far as MY mindset and the mindset that I think MOST guys should have (seeing as MOST guys aren't rich), I'm on some "I'm just as valuable as she is and why wouldn't she want to spend the same amount of money (or more) on me as I do on her?". that's how I think and it works very well for me. I've NEVER lost a girl because of it. EVER.

[rockdaspot]

no hate, but this is how some of you guys be thinking;

your mindset is, as long as I get hot tail then "you can have whatever you like..."

fine dining, free drinks, taxi rides, spill wine on my expensive carpet, fukk up my jeans - it's all good...

"you can have whatever you like..."

it's all good though. like I said before "get it how you live".


for me, this is how I be thinking;

especially the third verse. I live by those words. my mindset is "what's mine is mine, but what's yours we splittin it..."

I can't conceive spendin cheese just to please a broad
When eventually intentions be to leave 'em all
In the minus, no matter if they the finest
Then recognize the price come with rollin with riders
You can't expect to step up in my company
And we just fukked for free, and you not touchin me
With some finance why chance gettin involved
And be callin me a dogg after hittin them draws
I'm out to ball, so keep all emotions in check
And don't be tryin to test what you're sure to regret
Thinkin you gone be sinkin up inside my profits
bytch you got twist but you needs to stop it
I'm cold on a hoe like the frozen snow
For my dough unless we both tryin to make it grow
I think you know, my bank means more, than us kickin it
What's mine is mine, but what's yours we splittin it...

[Pusscrook]

(10-16-2011 02:14 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 01:47 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Ok, another hypothetical situation:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid.

This girl is beautiful. The hottest girl you have ever met in your life.

She is at your apartment, half undressed.

She accidentally spills some wine on your carpet.

At that point are you going to present her with a carpet cleaning bill?

Because it would be "simping" if you didn't, right?

It is obvious that they are hypothetical contingencies that doesn't require one to have a very high IQ to understand what one should , or not do ,in a given situation. Each situation has its own set of drawbacks, and so the person who wants to pay , just because he has amassed a ton of wealth, doesn't necessarily make him any more or less of a "player"..

Rappers, actors,(as an example) get beat over the head for coin every day from women for this same exact reason. In his own mind, he may be a player, and to them , he may be a sucker .I know plenty of women who scoff at guys who throw money around for the sake of impressing either her, or the masses, and conversely, I know girls who adore men who spend money on them like it's growing on trees. If he wants to spend his money, regardless of whether or not the girl is pitching in, he earned it, so why not? I don't think spending or not spending constitutes the definition of a player or a non-player. It's just a prerogative.

On the other hand, there are some men who have amassed the same amount of wealth and would rather not set such a precedent with these whores unless he deems it a very meaningful relationship. For him it's probably a matter of principle, and has nothing to do with not being a player, or being cheap for that matter. This too, does not confirm that he is a player or not.

If I am not looking for a long term relationship, and I'm just dating to fuck, I would imagine that the girl in question would have knowledge of this since I don't see the point of hiding such things. Therefore, if I am arguing over a bill at a restaurant, (who does that) , I must've given off the wrong vibe that I'm looking for something other than a "good time". It's not like I'm courting her, and since the scene has already been set prior to going out, she shouldn't expect me to foot the biil when she ate and drink half of the shit. We aren't talking about some poor hillbilly bitch with no access to funds. How many of those do you date anyway? I rarely meet girls who complain about splitting a bill when they know that I am not available for LTR. Maybe it depends on your motive, as in "what do you want out of this"?Or Perhaps it boils down to: What type of opportunity is presented( one night stand , whore in rotation) or, where you are in a blossoming relationship. What do you guys think?

[Smitty]

(10-16-2011 02:55 PM)Aliblahba Wrote:  

If you game a girl correctly and fuck her proper, she'll start picking up tabs. Now you've earned your money back, if that's what you're worried about.

If you're worried about it because of your financial situation, then stop thinking about pussy and work on your career.

And if she turns out to be a golddigger, remember this rule:
"First time shame on her, second time shame on you."

Three excellent points that I fully agree with.

[thegmanifesto]

Alright, final question:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid.

This girl is beautiful. The hottest girl you have ever met in your life. She is in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Calender.

She is at your apartment, fully naked.

You make her a drink.

Do you present her with a bill for the drink? Do you accept tips?

She uses, the bathroom, do you calculate how much toilet paper and water she used and invoice her?

Do you calculate the electricity she used?

Give her a pro-rated bill for rent?

Charge her for the condom?

If she doesn't pay up right away, do you calculate interest on the money?

HOA fees since she used your hot tub?

If you work at Smothie King, do you charge her the minimum wage you could have been making at the time?

Or if you make $500,000 grand a year do you invoice her for the time?

Being a "true player" is so confusing.

Please advise.

[Pusscrook]

(10-16-2011 04:27 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Alright, final question:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid.

This girl is beautiful. The hottest girl you have ever met in your life. She is in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Calender.

She is at your apartment, fully naked.

You make her a drink.

Do you present her with a bill for the drink? Do you accept tips?

She uses, the bathroom, do you calculate how much toilet paper and water she used and invoice her?

Do you calculate the electricity she used?

Give her a pro-rated bill for rent?

Charge her for the condom?

If she doesn't pay up right away, do you calculate interest on the money?

HOA fees since she used your hot tub?

If you work at Smothie King, do you charge her the minimum wage you could have been making at the time?

Or if you make $500,000 grand a year do you invoice her for the time?

Being a "true player" is so confusing.

Please advise.

I shall comply with your request to advise....
1. See previous post I wrote about hypotheticals
2. She's in your apartment , fully naked" ummmmmm, you can't be serious when you ask "what do you do" are you?

[scorpio]

2 Rules:

1. My only 2 cents here is just make sure you don't raise her value in her mind by paying for her.

2. If you cover once, she'll expect it again and may even raise the ante. Be firm.

[rockdaspot]

(10-16-2011 04:27 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Alright, final question:

You game a girl all night to the point of getting laid.

This girl is beautiful. The hottest girl you have ever met in your life. She is in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Calender.

She is at your apartment, fully naked.

You make her a drink.

Do you present her with a bill for the drink? Do you accept tips?

She uses, the bathroom, do you calculate how much toilet paper and water she used and invoice her?

Do you calculate the electricity she used?

Give her a pro-rated bill for rent?

Charge her for the condom?

If she doesn't pay up right away, do you calculate interest on the money?

HOA fees since she used your hot tub?

If you work at Smothie King, do you charge her the minimum wage you could have been making at the time?

Or if you make $500,000 grand a year do you invoice her for the time?

Being a "true player" is so confusing.

Please advise.

I know your trying to do homie and it's all good

In terms of that situation, all that shyt you mentioned would have cost like what $5 or $10?

Easy solution: she cooks me dinner next time or does some other small gesture that evens things out (or better)...



To keep this whole thing simple for you;

BIG BALLA GAME

his spending >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> her spending

mindset: "you can have whatever you like" or "it ain't tricking if you got it"


REGULAR GUY GAME

his spending = her spending

mindset: "50/50 thang"


TRUE PIMP GAME

his spending <<<<<<<< her spending

mindset: "what's mine is mine but what's hers we splitting it..."

[thegmanifesto]

I am just playing around guys.

And just trying to show that it isn't worth it to sweat the small stuff.

I would rather spend my time an energy on making more money than cutting corners.

Do what works for you.

I will refer back to my earlier comments of having experienced both and what works better for me:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-7281-p...#pid105381

[Gmac]

(10-16-2011 05:38 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

I am just playing around guys.

And just trying to show that it isn't worth it to sweat the small stuff.

I would rather spend my time an energy on making more money than cutting corners.

Do what works for you.

I will refer back to my earlier comments of having experienced both and what works better for me:

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-7281-p...#pid105381

Quote:

Unless you try both, you are in no position to make a educated opinion on both.

One day when I'm rolling in dough, I'll run with your style. Until then, being cheap suits me better as a means of self-preservation.

"Cheap suits", heh.

[Spike]

I wonder how cheap Indian troll would handle this situation. LOL

[Gmac]

(10-16-2011 05:50 PM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

I wonder how cheap Indian troll would handle this situation. LOL

Sounds like a good idea for a new internet meme.

[rockdaspot]

@thegmanifesto

hypothetical for you dude;

You meet a girl.

This girl is beautiful. The hottest girl you have ever met in your life. She is in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Calender.

You ask her out on a date and she says she wants go on a date with you but it has to be fine dining ($500+ food and drink costs) and you have to pick her up from her place (30 minute drive).

What do you do?

[Gmac]

(10-16-2011 06:06 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  

@thegmanifesto

hypothetical for you dude;

You meet a girl.

This girl is beautiful. The hottest girl you have ever met in your life. She is in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Calender.

You ask her out on a date and she says she wants go on a date with you but it has to be fine dining ($100+ food and drink costs) and you have to pick her up from her place (30 minute drive).

What do you do?

Change that to $500+

[rockdaspot]

^^^^^

done

[Moma]

I am too interested in the response to that. Because now the lizard is now dictating the starting price...

[el mechanico]

I see couples married or not split pennies everyday it seems like a waste of life to me. It consumes them. Sure I roll out buying food and drinks without ever giving it a thought but I'm in control. I've had girls say to me shit like "If we were married you would never have a 50 in your pocket" Ok sure bitch like you will ever have any say or control of how I spend or make my cash.

True story. A couple weeks ago I was texting a girl who gave me her number at my friends house. I asked her to go out with me and she says " I wish I could. I don't have money for that" I said no worries I got it. What did she cost? 8 dollars and an extra 3 miles on my cab ride to the bar that I felt like going to anyway. She doesn't drink that much or eat out on her budget. I didn't care if she drank ten Patonritas but she didn't. Thats another bang scored by freewheeling.

[thegmanifesto]

(10-16-2011 06:07 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(10-16-2011 06:06 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  

@thegmanifesto

hypothetical for you dude;

You meet a girl.

This girl is beautiful. The hottest girl you have ever met in your life. She is in the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Calender.

You ask her out on a date and she says she wants go on a date with you but it has to be fine dining ($100+ food and drink costs) and you have to pick her up from her place (30 minute drive).

What do you do?

Change that to $500+

Good hypothetical.

I don't pick up girls on dates.

I don't drink and drive.

This is assuming this is a girl that I have "read" correctly and wants to swoop me.

If it is fine dining, then no sweat. (I eat fine dining for breakfast.)

I have plenty of those spots on lockdown.

Back the The Higher Level of The Game.

(Just so you guys know, there are only a handful of restaurants in the country that would be $500+ for two people (mostly NYC ie Masa or Per Se and that would be with wine, not multiple, and I mean multiple cocktails). Hell, you are hard pressed to find restaurants that would be $300+ even in a city like LA, Miami Beach or Las Vegas).

[Gmac]

Come on G, I know a handful of restaurants in DC alone where a nice bottle of french wine will run you $300 minimum. That's not even talking about a good Macallan.

Before my player days, I made the mistake of taking a girl out to Marcels (4/5 on price) on a second date before a show at the Kennedy Center when I really couldn't afford it.

[Saladin]

Average Guy- Spend hundreds of dollars on a girl and then she cheats on him with an alpha.

PUA- Avoids spending money on girls and splits bills. He spends as much on her as he does on him.

G- Doesn't split bills and he pays. However, he makes it back and more once he swoops the girls and she expands his business circle or spends cash on him.

I like G's style but that's something only the veterans can get away with. He spends the money but with a different frame(I don't need you, I don't give a fuck if you walk away). The average dude tries to spend money to impress her. When an average guy takes a girl out to an expensive restaurant its incongruent because she can tell he doesn't dine at places like those very often and is thus trying to impress her.

With G, she feels like he eats there all the time and its not a big deal for him. She then feels that he's not trying to impress her and that if she wasn't there another fly girl would be sitting next to him. She feels privileged and thankful.

[el mechanico]

Girls have more fun at quirky ethnic joints and dive bars anyway.

[rockdaspot]

@thegmanifesto

so you would take her fine dining (whatever the cost, let's say average $250)

and what if her car was broke or she wanted to be picked up from her house? did you pay for her taxi or how do you handle it bro?

remember she's the hottest woman you've ever seen

[Aliblahba]

(10-16-2011 06:51 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

Average Guy- Spend hundreds of dollars on a girl and then she cheats on him with an alpha.
True if he's doing it to impress her

PUA- Avoids spending money on girls and splits bills. He spends as much on her as he does on him.

And this is why PUA's don't get laid. Again, Fred Sanford.

G- Doesn't split bills and he pays. However, he makes it back and more once he swoops the girls and she expands his business circle or spends cash on him.

I like G's style but that's something only the veterans can get away with. He spends the money but with a different frame(I don't need you, I don't give a fuck if you walk away). The average dude tries to spend money to impress her. When an average guy takes a girl out to an expensive restaurant its incongruent because she can tell he doesn't dine at places like those very often and is thus trying to impress her.

With G, she feels like he eats there all the time and its not a big deal for him. She then feels that he's not trying to impress her and that if she wasn't there another fly girl would be sitting next to him. She feels privileged and thankful.
Maybe, In theory.

(10-16-2011 07:08 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Girls have more fun at quirky ethnic joints and dive bars anyway.

True. Girls aren't gonna open up in a high end restro.

[Pusscrook]

I would like to pose a question that is a bit more realistic than that of the supermodel who happened to spill a bit of vino on my carpet, while she was fully naked in my room.

Scenario: You are out on your first date with this whore,( not a gold-digger) and you( a guy that is not looking for a LTR). You get the bill and you decide to pay (being the gentleman, or "baller" that you are), and though you get some good vibes from her, and really think you have a shot, she's not a one night stand.This is quite a common scenario we can agree on I hope. You get a second date with the whore, and the same thing occurs.....you get the bill, you pay, and though you get no action, the thought of fucking her makes it worth pursuing. My questions are as followed:

How many dates would you go on before you think it was time for her to split the bill with you?

How is the person who gets the whore to split the bill from the first date, and continues to pursue her,any worse off than you ?

Third, (remember she's not a gold digger), does the price of taking her out to the restaurant factor into if/when you will have an issue with her never paying or does it even matter?

Last, does her economic status play any role in your decision at all?