[tenderman100]

(10-12-2011 10:44 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Women are almost always conflicted about sex. No matter how strong they claim to be, they can't separate sex from emotion, and will feel like YOU'RE getting something from her for "free," as opposed to her getting something from you that she wants and needs. She has a husband for all that wine and dine shit - that's not your job. Married chicks are for fucking, not dating. If she can't handle the arrangement, let her find a "boyfriend." You can't burn cash on a married chick, because there's no payoff for you.

So true. Yet she gives amazing head...and has been, over the last 6 months or so, a remarkably undemanding bang. She'll come over and fuck me on very short notice.

It's a dilemma, no doubt.

[Screwston]

Interesting pusscrook. I need help in this area. I had a date last week with a girl a few yrs older than me (see my You're to Young thread). I got a margarita and she got 2 mixed drinks. We shoot the shit while sipping and I have to leave for some business. I look at the tab, then at her to see if she's going to offer any $$ but she's texting away. I knew I wasn't going to fuck but didn't know how to say "give me your half" without sounding cheap. Keep in mind she was a career woman and knew about my situation (broke student with a job to make ends meet). I look like a million dollars but times are hard! I really can't be paying for drinks like this anymore.

[Moma]

(10-12-2011 02:56 PM)ManAbout Wrote:  

So, on the one hand you want to be all Alpha male chest thumping, I am the MAN and you are the WOMAN bitch.. etc.. etc.. Yet you expect a woman to pay her own way for every thing.

OK!

I thought alpah men wanted a girl who appreciates what a man can do for her.

It's very obvious when a girl is trying to take advantage of you and when a girl is down to earth and just wants to hang out and have some fun. Yes, the girls that are obvious gold diggers and dinner date whores shouldn't be tolerated. They are the ones who suggest dinner at the most expensive restaurants in town and order the lobster and steak combos. It's easy to weed them out.

But if you expect that a girl should pay her half every time you go out, then also expect to be treated as half a man.

You thought wrong. An alpha male does things on his terms. Being fleeced for dinner dates is a simp move and as Mixx said, DOES NOT improve the chances of being laid. Paying for dates doesn't increase DHV in the lizard's eyes. She just sees a sucker.

As Toronto kid said, lizards in Toronto (arguable beta capital of North America) have many men paying for their dinner, rent etc.

I have some platonic lizard friends that have openly confessed to that. Okay, the men might get sex (if she decides to break him off some) but those aren't standards I necessarily like.

I have said it before and I will say it again, I see paying for lizards openly akin to just paying for the act directly. I don't see social trappings behind true intent.

I also have no problem paying for a lizard on a date depending on how things feel. It really depends on my mood or the energy I am getting. If she is cool or genuinely broke, then no question, I got her.

The same way I would get a broke holmes.

But associating alpha with paying for everything, someone may have switched titles on the manual you reading from, comrade.

[Moma]

(10-13-2011 01:52 AM)houston Wrote:  

Interesting pusscrook. I need help in this area. I had a date last week with a girl a few yrs older than me (see my You're to Young thread). I got a margarita and she got 2 mixed drinks. We shoot the shit while sipping and I have to leave for some business. I look at the tab, then at her to see if she's going to offer any $$ but she's texting away. I knew I wasn't going to fuck but didn't know how to say "give me your half" without sounding cheap. Keep in mind she was a career woman and knew about my situation (broke student with a job to make ends meet). I look like a million dollars but times are hard! I really can't be paying for drinks like this anymore.

Just take cash. Put down what you imagine you drank for. Tell her to make up the difference.

Blatantly. Fcuk what she thinks. I've lost out cos I told a lizard to go dutch. She can find some other sucker to fleece. It's not about the money, it's the principle.

CPN = Cost per notch. Is it worth it?

[K-man]

My rule is the following:
- if she is a student, unemployed, or employed as something like a secretary or a teacher (that pays pretty low where I live) - then I pay
- if she is an accomplished white collar professional (lawyer, marketing manager, or other such popular bitch occupation) - then I ask her to split it.

Regardless of the above, if she flashes a Louis Vuitton purse, a $600 phone, or some other similar shit that most likely some dude bought her and maybe didn't even fuck her for it - I go with the "ask to split" option.

[Pusscrook]

Quick questions for those helping out........

1.Does it matter who asked who to go out? Let's say she's a filthy rich bitch ,but you asked her to go out,is the split still in place? Conversely, if you have more money than her, but she asked you to go out, is she expected to pay or at least split?

2. Is splitting the check still an option if you are servicing the pussy regularly ?

3. When is asking to split the check a bad idea? First date? Anytime prior to getting the puss?

4. What is the #1 thing men fear when asking to split the check?

5. If you were to name one advantage/disadvantage to splitting the check what would they be?

Pusscrook

[Gmac]

(10-13-2011 07:36 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Quick questions for those helping out........

1.Does it matter who asked who to go out? Let's say she's a filthy rich bitch ,but you asked her to go out,is the split still in place? Conversely, if you have more money than her, but she asked you to go out, is she expected to pay or at least split?

No, but this is a common double standard women love to throw around ("You asked ME out!").

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2. Is splitting the check still an option if you are servicing the pussy regularly ?

Absolutely. My main FB doesn't even hesitate to pull out her credit card and she's not exactly swimming in money. One of the others usually offers to split, and another rarely pays... so I don't bring her out anymore.

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3. When is asking to split the check a bad idea? First date? Anytime prior to getting the puss?

Never, you just have to be careful with HOW you do it.

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4. What is the #1 thing men fear when asking to split the check?

Ironically, it's demonstrates higher value... guys think that just because she's offended or annoyed when you didn't scoop up the bill (like every other beta she's dated) that they will miss out on poon. WRONG.

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5. If you were to name one advantage/disadvantage to splitting the check what would they be?

For me, it's the money saved. I'm poor. I don't usually need the extra DHV boost, it's a bonus. Besides, if she's having a great time, she won't care unless she's broke. The only real disadvantage is that true gold digger types and certain divas (i.e. Persian Princesses) are in it for the free drinks/meal. You are saving yourself the headache of another date or two when she had no intention of putting out to begin with.

That said, there are times when I pick up the entire bill without caring... because the date was going so well and I knew I was getting laid (and did). Sometimes the momentum is going so well that you don't want any hiccups before slamming your meat snake into her vajazzle... it's a judgment call you sometimes have to make.

[Pusscrook]

(10-13-2011 07:53 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

(10-13-2011 07:36 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Quick questions for those helping out........

1.Does it matter who asked who to go out? Let's say she's a filthy rich bitch ,but you asked her to go out,is the split still in place? Conversely, if you have more money than her, but she asked you to go out, is she expected to pay or at least split?

No, but this is a common double standard women love to throw around ("You asked ME out!").

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2. Is splitting the check still an option if you are servicing the pussy regularly ?

Absolutely. My main FB doesn't even hesitate to pull out her credit card and she's not exactly swimming in money. One of the others usually offers to split, and another rarely pays... so I don't bring her out anymore.

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3. When is asking to split the check a bad idea? First date? Anytime prior to getting the puss?

Never, you just have to be careful with HOW you do it.

Quote:

4. What is the #1 thing men fear when asking to split the check?

Ironically, it's demonstrates higher value... guys think that just because she's offended or annoyed when you didn't scoop up the bill (like every other beta she's dated) that they will miss out on poon. WRONG.

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5. If you were to name one advantage/disadvantage to splitting the check what would they be?

For me, it's the money saved. I'm poor. I don't usually need the extra DHV boost, it's a bonus. Besides, if she's having a great time, she won't care unless she's broke. The only real disadvantage is that true gold digger types and certain divas (i.e. Persian Princesses) are in it for the free drinks/meal. You are saving yourself the headache of another date or two when she had no intention of putting out to begin with.

That said, there are times when I pick up the entire bill without caring... because the date was going so well and I knew I was getting laid (and did). Sometimes the momentum is going so well that you don't want any hiccups before slamming your meat snake into her vajazzle... it's a judgment call you sometimes have to make.

That was a pretty damn good post . As for question number 1 , I am not sure that "no" in your response, is for both parts of the question.

[Gmac]

(10-13-2011 08:28 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

As for question number 1, I am not sure that "no" in your response, is for both parts of the question.

Unfortunately, there is no 100% rule for anything. The only time I think the woman would be expected to pay in full though is if she mentioned that she would at some point leading up to the date.

Though there is no specific age cut off for men that I know of, at a certain point you are just "expected" to pay. By the time I'm in my late 30s or early 40s, I don't see me trying to split the bill at all... I'm sure I'll have adopted a more G Manifesto style of game by then. But that's just me (and what I've learned from watching my dad banging 20 year olds in his 50s).

[Pusscrook]

(10-13-2011 08:34 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

(10-13-2011 08:28 AM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

As for question number 1, I am not sure that "no" in your response, is for both parts of the question.

Unfortunately, there is no 100% rule for anything. The only time I think the woman would be expected to pay in full though is if she mentioned that she would at some point leading up to the date.

Though there is no specific age cut off for men that I know of, at a certain point you are just "expected" to pay. By the time I'm in my late 30s or early 40s, I don't see me trying to split the bill at all... I'm sure I'll have adopted a more G Manifesto style of game by then. But that's just me (and what I've learned from watching my dad banging 20 year olds in his 50s).

On that one question (#1), I have a different take on it.

If a whore has asked me out to dinner, and still expects me to pay, she should be arrested for fraud.

If I wish to take a whore out, one would think I should pay. However, I would submit that if a whore is eating and drinking me out of home, house, and car whenever we go out, rest assured she will pay her fair share. Just because I asked you out doesn't give you the right to "splurge". This is where I think most men have trouble assessing "limitations". Regardless of how much pussy you are getting, you may inadvertently be creating a mega-monster. "You eat shit you get shit", if you know what I mean.

As far as age goes, what she "expects" is based upon what she understands how you operate , as opposed to what her distorted world view is. Whores are submissive, and would rather fill that role just fine.

[Spike]

The situation in Holland is so different, we invented the term "going Dutch" haha.

This is also one of the reasons why i like dating through couchsurfing so much.
You are meeting on equal terms as travelers not as daters. Its a perfect way to sneak in under the radar and you have time to present yourself as a cool DHV'd guy. You basically build lots of attraction when meeting for a drink in a quiet bar instead of a loud club where have to shout in her ear and compete with others who are lurking around. After attraction is already build, you take her to a club,dance a bit,drink some more and get on with it. After kissing and when the bill is very low but future dates are going in the right direction i pick up the bill.

In Ecuador i would take the girls to a bar where 2 caiperinas costs 4 dollars during all evening happy hour. This is where i just pick up the bill without doubt. But first i would leave the bill laying on the table for a few minutes. I wait for the girl to make a move on the bill, than pick it and say : hey I'm a poor worldtraveler but im not that poor, hahaha, bla bla bla.

As said, you meet as equals, as travelers looking for a convo over drinks. I never had to ask or suggest splitting the bill. they automatically do

This is not the couchsurfing thread, just an example.

[Pusscrook]

(10-13-2011 08:57 AM)Neil Skywalker Wrote:  

The situation in Holland is so different, we invented the term "going Dutch" haha.

This is also one of the reasons why i like dating through couchsurfing so much.
You are meeting on equal terms as travelers not as daters. Its a perfect way to sneak in under the radar and you have time to present yourself as a cool DHV'd guy. You basically build lots of attraction when meeting for a drink in a quiet bar instead of a loud club where have to shout in her ear and compete with others who are lurking around. After attraction is already build, you take her to a club,dance a bit,drink some more and get on with it. After kissing and when the bill is very low but future dates are going in the right direction i pick up the bill.

In Ecuador i would take the girls to a bar where 2 caiperinas costs 4 dollars during all evening happy hour. This is where i just pick up the bill without doubt. But first i would leave the bill laying on the table for a few minutes. I wait for the girl to make a move on the bill, than pick it and say : hey I'm a poor worldtraveler but im not that poor, hahaha, bla bla bla.

As said, you meet as equals, as travelers looking for a convo over drinks. I never had to ask or suggest splitting the bill. they automatically do

This is not the couchsurfing thread, just an example.

Maybe its more cultural than anything. U.S. whores are quite manly in the head. THe level of pride amongst these whores have made them impervious to anything and all things. I had a bitch that was guzzling me clean under a table one time and I remember when she was ordering food she called her little bastard kid and said "what do you want "? Apparently, the kid placed an order but had questions about cost. This whore replied with a soft loving voice" I'm not paying so don't worry ".

[Gmac]

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As far as age goes, what she "expects" is based upon what she understands how you operate , as opposed to what her distorted world view is. Whores are submissive, and would rather fill that role just fine.

As for me when I get older...

[rockdaspot]

(10-12-2011 11:04 AM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

My rule is simple: I don't pay for anything (other than coffee) until I've fucked her. After that, I am more inclined to treat.

THIS is the 100% correct answer

[el mechanico]

(10-14-2011 01:28 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  

(10-12-2011 11:04 AM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

My rule is simple: I don't pay for anything (other than coffee) until I've fucked her. After that, I am more inclined to treat.

THIS is the 100% correct answer

Backwards. That mindset will cost you ass. If you invite a girl out buy her drinks. Pre bang time is critical so why would you want to add another wrench in the gears?

[rockdaspot]

(10-15-2011 12:41 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 01:28 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  

(10-12-2011 11:04 AM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

My rule is simple: I don't pay for anything (other than coffee) until I've fucked her. After that, I am more inclined to treat.

THIS is the 100% correct answer

Backwards. That mindset will cost you ass. If you invite a girl out buy her drinks. Pre bang time is critical so why would you want to add another wrench in the gears?

maybe it depends on the types of lizards people date but it's never been an issue for me and if anything my bang rate is higher when I don't pay more than she does...

[thegmanifesto]

(10-15-2011 12:41 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

(10-14-2011 01:28 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  

(10-12-2011 11:04 AM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

My rule is simple: I don't pay for anything (other than coffee) until I've fucked her. After that, I am more inclined to treat.

THIS is the 100% correct answer

Backwards. That mindset will cost you ass. If you invite a girl out buy her drinks. Pre bang time is critical so why would you want to add another wrench in the gears?

Agreed.

Don't trip over pennies to get to dollars.

Good post Gmac on this:

[rockdaspot]

^^^^^

how much do you guys usually spend on girls before you get them into bed?

on average of course

I appreciate your honesty on this...

[thegmanifesto]

(10-15-2011 03:12 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  

^^^^^

how much do you guys usually spend on girls before you get them into bed?

on average of course

I appreciate your honesty on this...

You need to free yourself from the prison of the pua mindset.

I don't look at it as spending money on her.

I look at it as investing in myself.

Going to a restaurant with a fly girl gives me more status at a restaurant.

It helps me Lock the Place Down.

This in turn saves me money at the restaurant, helps me swoop more girls there, and makes me more money when I take biz associates there.

Again, Don't trip over pennies to get to dollars.

This is the Higher Level of The Game I am talking about.

You should meditate on this for a while.

[rockdaspot]

(10-15-2011 04:23 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 03:12 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  

^^^^^

how much do you guys usually spend on girls before you get them into bed?

on average of course

I appreciate your honesty on this...

You need to free yourself from the prison of the pua mindset.

I don't look at it as spending money on her.

I look at it as investing in myself.

Going to a restaurant with a fly girl gives me more status at a restaurant.

It helps me Lock the Place Down.

This in turn saves me money at the restaurant, helps me swoop more girls there, and makes me more money when I take biz associates there.

Again, Don't trip over pennies to get to dollars.

This is the Higher Level of The Game I am talking about.

You should meditate on this for a while.

no disrespect to you but that sounds like simpin NOT pimpin to me my man

isn't wining and dining women in fancy restaurants the same lame shyt that rich guys all over the world have been doing to get laid for years? where's the skill in that?

[el mechanico]

(10-15-2011 03:12 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  

^^^^^

how much do you guys usually spend on girls before you get them into bed?

on average of course

I appreciate your honesty on this...

Who cares? I don't keep track but what will piss me off is when a girl want to go to specific expensive venues that she wouldn't go to without a date.(latinas are famous for this one)

You invite. You pick. You pay.

She invites. She picks. She pays.

I will tell you on average a night out will cost me about $100 pussy or not but I'm the type a guy who buys drinks for anyone with an empty glass that I like.

[thegmanifesto]

(10-15-2011 04:53 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 04:23 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 03:12 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  

^^^^^

how much do you guys usually spend on girls before you get them into bed?

on average of course

I appreciate your honesty on this...

You need to free yourself from the prison of the pua mindset.

I don't look at it as spending money on her.

I look at it as investing in myself.

Going to a restaurant with a fly girl gives me more status at a restaurant.

It helps me Lock the Place Down.

This in turn saves me money at the restaurant, helps me swoop more girls there, and makes me more money when I take biz associates there.

Again, Don't trip over pennies to get to dollars.

This is the Higher Level of The Game I am talking about.

You should meditate on this for a while.

no disrespect to you but that sounds like simpin NOT pimpin to me my man

isn't wining and dining women in fancy restaurants the same lame shyt that rich guys all over the world have been doing to get laid for years? where's the skill in that?

Again, free yourself from the prison of the pua mindset.

You are talking "game" with a little "g".

I am talking "Game" with a big "G".

The true meaning of the world before it was co-opted by guys with glitter, fuzzy hats, bad style and black fingernail polish.

Not sure which part of " saves me money at the restaurant, helps me swoop more girls there, and makes me more money" you don't understand.

[el mechanico]

Read this thread
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-5156.h...ing+drinks

[rockdaspot]

damn man

@thegmanifesto and @el machanico, you were both by far my two favourite posters on this forum

now I find out you're both boderline simpin

that kinda sux

if that's what works for you though, then you guys should keep on doing that

but I'm never going to go that route. EVER. it's not a PUA mindset either.

@thegmanifesto I don't need to bring "fly females to restaurants to get more status there". That sounds ridiculous man. I think you know that deep down too. You can and will get money and be successful regardless of what women you have rolling with you. You know that right?

@el machanico Do you bro. If I buy someone a drink, they are buying me a drink too. If she's not my girlfriend, we're splitting everything. 50/50 thang.

To give you an example of how I operate and how I think most guys should operate, I spent $20 on lunch with a girl on a date last week. I paid for that. Then we decided to go to a movie straight after that cost $20 (combined). I looked at her and said "do you have $20?" she went into her purse and pulled out $20 and gave it to me to pay for the tickets. I banged her that night too.

I know rich guys that operate with the exact same mindset as I do too. In fact, many of them are way more strict on it than I am because they want to make sure that the girls they date are not just interested in them for their money.

I'd love to hear more from Roosh on all this. I can't really see him spending a bunch of money on a girl that's not his girlfriend / near girlfriend.

[Pusscrook]

(10-15-2011 04:57 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 04:53 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 04:23 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(10-15-2011 03:12 PM)rockdaspot Wrote:  

^^^^^

how much do you guys usually spend on girls before you get them into bed?

on average of course

I appreciate your honesty on this...

You need to free yourself from the prison of the pua mindset.

I don't look at it as spending money on her.

I look at it as investing in myself.

Going to a restaurant with a fly girl gives me more status at a restaurant.

It helps me Lock the Place Down.

This in turn saves me money at the restaurant, helps me swoop more girls there, and makes me more money when I take biz associates there.

Again, Don't trip over pennies to get to dollars.

This is the Higher Level of The Game I am talking about.

You should meditate on this for a while.

no disrespect to you but that sounds like simpin NOT pimpin to me my man

isn't wining and dining women in fancy restaurants the same lame shyt that rich guys all over the world have been doing to get laid for years? where's the skill in that?

Again, free yourself from the prison of the pua mindset.

You are talking "game" with a little "g".

I am talking "Game" with a big "G".

The true meaning of the world before it was co-opted by guys with glitter, fuzzy hats, bad style and black fingernail polish.

Not sure which part of " saves me money at the restaurant, helps me swoop more girls there, and makes me more money" you don't understand.

Well ,G, I have to disagree with you on this one. Maybe it's not a question of disagreeing , but more of, we have different styles.

I really don't take whores out to eat because I intend on elevating my status. There is nothing wrong with this approach, but I guess it's different because of what I understand me to be. For me , my status will always be at an elevated level long before I even decide to take this whore to a restaurant. The only reason I am out with her is because I have spent enough time in her head to know what I need to do for the moment , not for my status when I am at the restaurant. "Locking down a restaurant by attracting other fine girls" when I'm out with this whore, is the furthest thing from my mind.

It's a great idea if your approach is that of looking at her as an extension/asset to doing business at said restaurant, or to get a better pricing plan on a meal, but for me, it's a different ball game.

I wouldn't call my approach "tripping over pennies" because when I go out of the country , I cant ever seem to remember where any of the money has been spent. Key here for me is that I realize what I am dealing with when I am here, and even if i had 1 billion dollars, I would gladly accept a bitch who likes splitting the check or paying for the entire meal. As a matter of fact, I have seen whores who are filled with glee just to be in the presence of certain men,(men who are not rich) and have no complaints about picking up the bill, driving him around, or just sitting around waiting for the next command. They are not pimps nor do I think that it's game with a small g., what you wrote, is just another type of game.