[Barron]

This thread hasn't disappointed and is going in the direction one could only hope for.

2019 started off with a bang showcasing the Covington and Smolett hoaxes, but Tails would soon Tuck and the 'race' for a scorched earth policy has commenced! Everything from "We didn't get our wall" to "President Kushner" and now the classic "If you can't beat em, join em" would have blindsided the busy man had he gone even a day without checking the Trump thread.

The sudden disavowing of all things conservative by yesterday's Trump supporters turned today's Yang supporters has been both suspicious and fascinating to behold - for who could say they've seen a faster Flip Flop since Hulk Hogan joined the NWO!

But hey, at least we now know how Trump's scorned lovers feel. Keep the gems coming!

[The Black Knight]

(03-12-2019 12:45 PM)Barron Wrote:  

This thread hasn't disappointed and is going in the direction one could only hope for.

2019 started off with a bang showcasing the Covington and Smolett hoaxes, but Tails would soon Tuck and the 'race' for a scorched earth policy has commenced! Everything from "We didn't get our wall" to "President Kushner" and now the classic "If you can't beat em, join em" would have blindsided the busy man had he gone even a day without checking the Trump thread.

The sudden disavowing of all things conservative by yesterday's Trump supporters turned today's Yang supporters has been both suspicious and fascinating to behold - for who could say they've seen a faster Flip Flop since Hulk Hogan joined the NWO!

But hey, at least we now know how Trump's scorned lovers feel. Keep the gems coming!

Is there any point trying to have a legit debate with someone who would change their forum handle to the name of the underage son of Trump?

I suppose I'll give it a shot.

You seem to think everyone voted for Trump for the same reasons that you did or that all Trump supporters are blindly loyal republican/conservative. The truth is, Hillary was vile, the democrat party as a whole had lost the plot, and Trump was hitting on some brutally honest truths in 2016.

However also in 2016, Trump had many obvious flaws, shortcomings, or points of views that many people didn't agree with or like very much. Or even if you believed in MAGA, someone a bit more refined that doesn't say stupid shit and give political fodder to the enemy would have been more preferable. People on this forum in 2016, guys who are still very loyal Trump supporters, complained about his demeanor at times and how he gets side-tracked too often when making a point. Sometimes the side track was very funny or insightful, sometimes it looked a bit stupid and incoherent.

But it was all put aside for the greater good of keeping Hillary out of office and for many, getting a handle on things like immigration reform which hardly anyone (democrat or republican) was addressing, staying out of stupid wars, fixing healthcare, and saying fuck you to the establishment and political correctness.

Immigration reform is not happening and his handling of it over the past 2+ years has shown how incompetent he is on this issue. From trusting the GOPe, to not pushing hard for MAGA guys to lead negotiations, to putting up a BUSH 1 AG as his own AFTER the debacle that was Sessions. Then he goes and talks about how he wants more legal immigrants after failing to deliver; all the while throwing anyone who disagrees with him under the bus.

If he at least had true MAGA guys assisting or executed better strategies, I could be more forgiving. But he doesn't do the aforementioned and that is very suspect.

If he is not going to follow through on immigration reform, that is a major reason why and many others aren't too hot on supporting him going forward. It's not the only reason but it's a big one. Many Trump supporters took significant heat sticking their neck out for Trump and when I see disloyalty displayed by Trump towards MAGA people (be it in words or actions), that doesn't exactly inspire me or anyone else to give him the benefit of the doubt on things.

Next in line to offer the toughest immigration package is oddly Yang despite being a path to citizenship in 18 years. The democrats and most of the republicans want to do amnesty right away; the GOP certainly tried before Trump showed. Unless another Trump shows up AND he can get a majority of anti-immigration types in Congress, nothing MAGA like on immigration is gonna happen. Trump was the last hurrah on that front and he blew it. Hell, Reagan is one who did amnesty in the 80s. Trump and his immigration platform is the exception, not the rule when it comes to the GOP. When you further account that aside from possible trade deals (good), judges (good), and tax cuts for MNCs (don't care mostly), and pushing the overton window in the non-PC direction (really good), Trump hasn't accomplished a whole lot.

I can only speak for myself but I consider the MAGA immigration issue a lost cause now and not winnable; this country doesn't have the stomach to deport 10 million illegals and the one guy who MIGHT have pulled it off has shitted in the pool with bad advisors and strategy. He has stunk up the pool on few other issues as well that I consider pretty important. And so, I'm re-directing my energy elsewhere to the next best viable option and thankfully, someone like Yang showed up with some really smart ideas and perspective; addressing other major concerns I have outside immigration. Not perfect, comes with significant risk, but it's worth entertaining for now.

Trump is not a total lost but what we were sold in 2016 is NOT what we are getting in 2019. If you are fine with 2019 Trump, that's OK I suppose but don't act surprised and shock towards people who are not thrilled to see Trump 2016 fading off in the distance.

[Valentine]

(03-12-2019 12:45 PM)Barron Wrote:  

This thread hasn't disappointed and is going in the direction one could only hope for.

2019 started off with a bang showcasing the Covington and Smolett hoaxes, but Tails would soon Tuck and the 'race' for a scorched earth policy has commenced! Everything from "We didn't get our wall" to "President Kushner" and now the classic "If you can't beat em, join em" would have blindsided the busy man had he gone even a day without checking the Trump thread.

The sudden disavowing of all things conservative by yesterday's Trump supporters turned today's Yang supporters has been both suspicious and fascinating to behold - for who could say they've seen a faster Flip Flop since Hulk Hogan joined the NWO!

But hey, at least we now know how Trump's scorned lovers feel. Keep the gems coming!

Instead of deriding legitimate grievances with the way Trump has handled his term how about addressing the points? What is the solution to the upcoming permanent mass unemployment epidemic? Because if this is blindly ignored it will lead to far worse consequences than proactively implementing a decent solution.

I'm not going to address the disappointments in Trump's term because Black Knight has already done that quite thoroughly. Credit where credit is due though - the supreme court picks and more judges will all have significant long-term impacts. But will it be enough? It seems more to me like they'll just buy some extra time, but it won't reverse any of the existing trends.

I don't think most people commenting here have stopped having conservative values, you just have to look closely at the incentives at play. Millions of people sponge off of welfare, colleges get subsidised, abortions get paid for, forcible wealth redistribution via alimony and child support, massive government spending and all manner of other forms of wealth redistribution already exists. When everybody else is taking from the pot and you refuse to then you act as the workhorse for the rest. Going Galt resonates with so many conservatives because it speaks to the soft slavery of Western nations, despite being an unrealistic solution.

We also have to consider the truly core reasons why the decline is happening. Roosh has already identified women's vote as one crucial pillar, the globalist elites' virtually infinite money supply being another, and the demographics are also tilting in one direction due to the replacement rate and immigration. How do you fix this? Because right now it feels like we're using a teaspoon to get water out of a leaky sinking ship. Getting a few more factories here, or some trade deals, or deporting a bunch of illegals is just busy work in comparison.

[LEMONed IScream]

As an outsider... I fail to see any political, and much less immediate, solution to the predicament the West (and the US in this particular case) is in.

It's almost as if the most "optimistic" scenario is secession. Which would probably come with a civil war first.

[Sherman]

One thing that attracted me to Trump was his line that he is a business man who knows how to get things done and he would attract the best people in government. He clearly hasn't attracted the best people and his key advisers are family members. I think he cares about his family but not much about his supporters. Yang has a more intelligent persona and he looks like he has actually read a book. The founding fathers of America were schooled in the classics and many of them spoke fluent Latin. Why should we limit our choices to apes or wicked women?

[Belgrano]

In the long run, UBI will lead to more bureaucracy, more centralization of power, more dependency on the state or private organizations of similar authority, more disenfranchisement of the useless eaters, less freedom and less liberty.

It's another step on the way to either a One-World Government (the socialist solution) or totalitarian corporatism, aka techno-feudalism (the capitalist solution).

The only alternative to UBI would be depopulation.

Of course those two ideas are not mutually exclusive though.
In fact they go hand in hand rather well.

Placate the useless eaters with UBI, so that they don't start a revolution and string you up at the nearest lamp-post, and then slowly fade them out over the next few decades.
Peaceful, bloodless, clean.

Or why is it that the people most fervently and publicly advocating for UBI always seem to be the ones who most certainly don't need it?

Once full automatization is reached, after a certain number of births necessary to replenish the population and maintain a stable status-quo, the additional value provided by a new human being will be zero, whereas the costs in terms of resources needed to sustain that human will be greater than zero.

A net drain of resources.
And Earth is a closed system.

So in this scenario humanity will most likely remain in stagnation until it develops the technology to mine and gather resources in space and on other planets.
Only then will expansion and population growth be allowed again.

Or maybe not.
Stagnation aka stability can be quite comfortable.
The only hope is that it's also rather boring in the long run, but VR should take care of that.

[DJ-Matt]

UBI will also lead to me getting $1000 a month.

[phluff127]

(03-12-2019 05:37 PM)DJ-Matt Wrote:  

UBI will also lead to me getting $1000 a month.

Isn't that the truth? I have always been against UBI, but I guess when the question becomes is the money better spent by you and I or the Feds, I gotta say I prefer the former. Just giving the money directly back to us as citizens kinda cuts through all the bullshit.

[Heuristics]

The welfare system needs to collapse, insofar as UBI has a chance of doing it (or even if it does not, it should work better than regular welfare programs), I'm in favor of it.

[PapayaTapper]

....the pursuit of happiness.


Key word:

Quote:

pur·suit
/pərˈso͞ot/Submit
noun
1.
the action of following or pursuing someone or something.

Fuck all you lazy, cowardly, Un-American communist traitorous fucks.

Id take 1 hard working immigrant with sincere aspirations of making a better life for himself and his family over a 1000 of you.

If youre not sure if Im directing that at you or not then I more than likely am.

Did I say fuck you?

Just in case

Fuck you

[Heuristics]

(03-12-2019 06:53 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  




....the pursuit of happiness.


Key word:

Quote:

pur·suit
/pərˈso͞ot/Submit
noun
1.
the action of following or pursuing someone or something.

Fuck all you lazy, cowardly, Un-American communist traitorous fucks.

Id take 1 hard working immigrant with sincere aspirations of making a better life for himself and his family over a 1000 of you.

If youre not sure if Im directing that at you or not then I more than likely am.

Did I say fuck you?

Just in case

Fuck you

As us liberartarians say, "taxation is theft". I was never able to very redpill many people by telling them that.

I hope you have better luck than me redpilling the masses.

[CynicalContrarian]

& there are folk out there who doubt the power of memes... (modern day WW2 poster propaganda) :

[url=https://twitter.com/AJS3gur0/status/1105267742217691137][/url]

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

One of the most admirable things about Yang: he doesn't appear to have TDS. He's just presenting his program and making memes, not spending his time ranting about Orange Man Bad.

[CynicalContrarian]

[url=https://twitter.com/rooshv/status/1105628668938862592][/url]

[BortimusPrime]

I don't see the UBI gibs as necessarily causing massive inflation or people just dropping out of the workforce en masse. For starters, the laziest people are already collecting welfare via phony disability claims. And consumption of essentials is going to remain fairly constant given that we don't currently have people starving or unable to afford toilet paper.

The main result I see is that the worst jobs are going to have to pay a lot more to attract people (or just stay the province of illegal immigrants assuming the UBI isn't going to be given to invaders). I remember traveling in Norway and being genuinely impressed by how low the quality of service at restaurants was. Waiters were unpleasant and the food cost a fortune, mainly because with a strong social safety net none of those waiters were particularly concerned about losing their shitty job. The result is that Norwegians apparently just don't go out to eat much. This is what I'd expect under a UBI system: all the businesses that are based on discretionary consumer spending and rely on exploiting lower class desperation to fill menial service jobs would have a really hard time staying afloat.

But is that really a bad thing? Do middle class people really need to ponce about at Starbucks making fussily specific coffee milkshake orders so they can lord their $6 of spending power over the pathetic History majors serving them?

[Easy_C]

Outside perspective on UBI: https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armst...-rational/

Note that I personally think it's more publicity stunt than anything else, but this is still an interesting issue.

Armstrong is significant because he's very far right economically. TLDR is that he calls the idea insane but also concedes it's a significant improvement over the existing welfare state model.

[eradicator]

Quote:

& there are folk out there who doubt the power of memes... (modern day WW2 poster propaganda

I’m not sure how much good the memes are actually doing. Think of your average blue color worker who doesn’t check message boards or social media. They never see the memes and never learn about Yang. To any any of us, sure the memes are fantastic

[url=twitter.com/robbieburr/status/1105501953935589376][/url]

[CynicalContrarian]

(03-12-2019 09:53 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

I’m not sure how much good the memes are actually doing. Think of your average blue color worker who doesn’t check message boards or social media. They never see the memes and never learn about Yang. To any any of us, sure the memes are fantastic

[url=twitter.com/robbieburr/status/1105501953935589376][/url]

Yes & no.
Even in the social media sphere. If I was to refer to the following names. Highly likely folk wouldn't be anywhere near as familiar with them, nor anything distinct that they stand for :

Bennet, Bullock, Buttigieg, Castro, Delaney, Inslee, Hickenlooper, Swalwell.

Whereas in a social media sphere, if one was to mention Andrew Yang, a common response would be - "Oh, the UBI guy."
In addition. Yang's common hashtag (#YangGang) is positive for him.
Whereas #HorizontalHarris, #Fauxchahontas & the like, are derived from mockery.
Plus, aside from one Joe Rogan appearance, Yang has gone from an unknown to a rapidly growing known. Much more than the names listed above (at the national level).
This very thread is an example of that. I don't see a dedicated Delaney or Hickenlooper thread after-all.

[Leonard D Neubache]

A lot of people seem to think the DOI is that one sentence.

There are others.

Quote:

“But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”

Trump was phase one.

Yang is phase two.

[bobmjilica]

I made this parody to the Pretenders ‘Back on The Chain Gang’ to ‘Back on The Yang Gang’
https://youtu.be/0yAnQr8T9Lo

[The Black Knight]

[/url]

[url=https://twitter.com/AndrewYangVFA/status/1105316825569611776]

Hahahaha... Yang wants to protect conservative free speech more than Trump does.

[Deepdiver]

Feb 28th 2019 WMUR New Hampshire:

[Wutang]

Yang giving a speech to a group of Asian Americans about why AAs need to get more involved in politics:

Some points:

- He states that the US will be majority non-white by 2045. He poos poos on the idea that everyone will get along and thinks that certain whites will get more violent. He said it's a fantasy that a majority racial group will give up it's power willingly and that it almost never happens in history. He talks about how China is going to be the next big boogyman in the next 20 years and that someone from the "shrinking, insecure white majority" will commit a mass shooting against Asian Americans in one generation.

- Talks about how Asian Americans typically are pretty apathetic when it comes to politics whether it be in voting or donating. Because of this and most AAs residing in solid blue states, politicians don't really care about appealing to AA as a voting bloc. He says AAs are seen as "low level ATMs" by politicians.

[Deepdiver]

^ The questions that were not asked were as CEO/Founder of Venture4America what policies would he implement to accelerate Business Formation and Capitalistic success in the USA to offset the tidal wave of Millenial Socialism which would not be positive economically (Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua etc.).

[The Black Knight]

(03-13-2019 12:17 AM)Deepdiver Wrote:  

^ The questions that were not asked were as CEO/Founder of Venture4America what policies would he implement to accelerate Business Formation and Capitalistic success in the USA to offset the tidal wave of Millenial Socialism which would not be positive economically (Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua etc.).

Well, he has explained that if every single American had $1000/month, that would spur a lot of people to spend money and therefore, lead to business formation. And that if people had $1000/month plus Medicare For All, they are more likely to take a chance on starting a business.

In other news, he wants to cut the federal government by 15-20% and make it easier to fire shit employees. From Yang's website:

Quote:

Apple, Google, Facebook, and Amazon, combined, employ around 750,000 individuals. The federal workforce is made up of 2.3 million individuals.

That’s too many.

Federal workers are smart, dedicated, and hardworking, but they shouldn’t be a protected class of worker. Technology is advancing to the point where we should be able to get more done with fewer people, and studies show that fewer federal employees leave their jobs than their private counterparts and enjoy much higher pension benefits. At the same time, the federal workforce is aging and struggles to recruit and retain younger workers. If the top four tech companies can do as much as they do with fewer than 1 million workers, the federal government can find ways to do more with less.

I’ve been an entrepreneur for almost twenty years – I know what small teams can accomplish when they’re scrappy and resourceful. I also know that most organizations over time become bloated and inefficient unless there are requirements otherwise. Most organizations respond to benchmarks and incentives. The federal workforce can and must do more with less. The rest of us are suffering and our government has to become leaner and meaner. It also has to get younger and smarter.

Problems to be Solved

1. The American people are paying for an oversized and inefficient federal workforce

2. The federal workforce is aging fast and struggles to recruit and retain young workers

As President, I will…

1. Hire a management consulting firm to identify areas of inefficiency in the federal workforce

2. Implement new technology to improve government efficiency

3. Reduce the size of the federal workforce by 15 – 20%, working with Congress to change civil service rules to give management greater discretion

4. Enhance the recruitment and retention of younger workers by changing hiring guidelines, compensation and reporting structures to be more responsive to millennials.

https://www.yang2020.com/policies/downsi...workforce/

A democrat that wants to cut the bloated federal government by 20 percent?

Am I sleeping? Yang just makes sense.