Quote: (03-02-2019 10:28 AM)icrus Wrote:
Manosphere starting becoming weird when everyone started becoming super political.
Believe it or not but there are still guys out there who just care about getting laid and getting paid. I don't give a fuck who's president and neither about "saving" anyone. Call me shallow, I don't care.
I've being reading a lot of Blackdragon blog recently, an amazing middle ground, old posts related to internal vs external solutions, he's got some hard words that every budding (young) political person need hear, basically to not throw their life away on it. There are a few nationalist streamers I used to admire and be fired by their passion and occasionally they admit its all pointless by being extremely logical and then for a second it looks they had an epihany, a light behind the eyes and
you can literally see it if you watch closely, but will deny they had it and push it away. A literal "
its done, stick a fork in it moment."
So why do they continue, they already answered their question, but its an answer they don't like, so they'll keep at it, hoping the answer changes,
Fear, they are fearful to pull out now because of the sunk cost, and it has become an identity, they could radically change up their lives, upturn everything for something new, but they won't.
They will even say get married, save it, find a good woman, ok so why didn't they? I remember in one stream, one of the men was remarking on a sex trafficking illegal migrant scandal and he chastised the young men listening, that they should be ashamed if they ever did that exploiting women , these were late 20's men, all I could think was "I guarantee those men that paid a girl lived a better hour than the hour I've spent listening to you guys", it irked me something fierce. Sacrifice your life for something that's broke and on the way out, I'm sure you guys will call and around and congratulate me, it will mean a lot. Fuck sake.
Honestly perhaps a hooker is what a few of these men need, might rest the vexed wrinkles between their eyes.
I'm beginning to think a few years down the road these men are going to be in severe depression and regret, they tell everyone but falling birthrates but they'd hardly be able to do streams if they had 4 kids each! I don't see them getting at that, they would have to pony up their money, the furrows in between their eyebrows are getting deeper every stream, I was watching one and I just thought "You know what I'm sick of this shit, I'm out, maybe the West was going to be saved it or most importantly wanted to be saved, it would have already happened", You and your measly 400 people (likely a great deal of them are teenagers with appalling grammar and spelling in a live chat) aren't going to do this.
The battle was over before many of us were even born, the dye was cast in every way that matters.
I'v gotten to the point where I use this forum to like posts to form an archive, post a little, a few tangential indifferent jokes and browse the lifestyle and game sections, but I can't stomach the migrant invasion like threads, as a youngish man there is a thing as too much philosophy and abyss diving/gnashing of teeth that wears the soul for no benefit. I don't how my health could improve only decline listening to this. I was a whimsical/flippant happy teenager and man, but I never felt nihilistic until I knew about this. And I was far more successful not knowing in truth. Everyone is telling you to care, but who will care for you?
Perhaps that why I like how whimsical Jay Dyer can be about it, he's just laughing at it with a bunch of pals, instead of some utterly futile attempt organising
THE GREAT RESISTANCE AGAINST THE GLOBALISTS TM, THIS TIME IT WILL WORK LIKE LAST TIME WE PROMISED, WE'RE NOT RACISTS LOOK HOW MANY JEWISH FRIENDS I HAVE
http://blackdragonblog.com/2015/04/09/a-...ervatives/
http://blackdragonblog.com/2018/11/05/cl...ogramming/
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Thinking that Donald Trump will singlehandedly time-warp all of America back to the 1950s when everything was perfect, build a wall, kick out all those God Damn Immigrants™, totally reform government and the news media, and beat the shit out of those SJWs so you can jump up and down with some orgasmic glee…
Yeah, it’s a really nice thought (again, for some people, not for me).
Thinking that, if you just do what your mom/dad/best friend told you to do, that if you just go to college, major in STEM, get a Good Job™, then everything will be perfectly fine because you’re a good guy and you mean well and you’re a hard worker and you want to make your parents proud…
Yeah man, these bullshit thoughts are very compelling. I don’t have any of these thoughts, since I cleaned out my SP about 15 years ago, but I fully understand how peaceful, alluring, comforting, and pleasant these bullshit thoughts could be.
If you’re experiencing these thoughts and some big asshole like me comes along and shows you via actual facts and studies that long-term monogamy doesn’t work, that college is a waste of your time, that no politician will be able to save the West, or that getting a job will just end up bankrupting you in the long-term, you’re going to get upset with me even if on some level you know or suspect the thoughts you’re defending probably aren’t true.
It’s hard to believe in the truth. It’s hard to admit that 2+2=4. Objectivity and rationality are hard. That’s why these things are so rare with human beings.
http://blackdragonblog.com/2016/02/29/th...anosphere/
https://blackdragonblog.com/2017/08/07/i...ns-part-2/
Excerpt from last link:
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When You’ve Already Reached A Fundamental Success Baseline
As I talk about in my book, a man requires two fundamental areas for long-term happiness regardless of his age, scenario, personality, or interests. That is, money and sex. For a man, these two things provide a basis for all other success in all other areas of life (like family, children, spirituality, etc). Unless you are a very bizarre exception to the rule, lack of either money or sex for prolonged periods will cause you unhappiness regardless of anything else positive occurring in your life.
However, if you reach a baseline of success in your life where your long-term happiness is more or less assured because you’ve already built that money/sex foundation, then, at that point, it’s probably okay to pursue external solutions if you still want to.
Based on the fundamental baselines of masculine happiness that I talk about in my book, this means that you have accomplished these things:
1. You make $75,000 a year in income or more, via your own business (having a job doesn’t count). Convert to your own currency equivalents if you live outside of the US.
2. You have zero or very little debt.
3. You get laid literally whenever you want with women you consider attractive (having sex with ugly or average girls doesn’t count), and can quickly add new, attractive women to your sex life within 30 days whenever you want, and without having to pay for it. (That last part is only if you’re under the age of about 50. If you’re over age 50, paying for sex is probably okay as long as you can afford it.)
4. You’re in at least decently average physical shape. You don’t have to be ripped or anything; you can even be a little overweight as long as you’re overall healthy, particularly for your age. I mean that you have no major health problems and you’re not a fatass.
If you’ve accomplished all four of those things, then if you still want to spend time in external solutions, it’s probably fine. You’ve established a baseline of masculine happiness financially, sexually, and physically, and may be perfectly happy with where you are for the long-term. At that point, if you really want to spend your time trying to save the world, save Western Civilization, save your country, save your race, or whatever other external solution turns you on, then I guess go ahead.
The problem is that the world, and the internet, is jam-packed full of men on both the left and the right who spend hours upon hours farting around with external solutions who make no where near $75,000 a year and/or who barely know how to get laid unless it’s an average / ugly girlfriend or hooker.
NO!!!
Dude. If this is you, you need to slap yourself in the face and wake yourself up from your political trance. You are sucking the happiness out of your life and you’re likely never going to achieve any level of personal success if you’re wasting your time farting around with politics when you don’t make enough money for basic happiness and/or don’t have decent dating skills so you can get the sex you need.
Stop fucking around with external solutions and:
Start your own business.
Get your income up.
Pay off your debt.
Get good with women, or at least to an intermediate level of skill with pickup, dating, and relationships.
If you have any serious health problems, get them handled (drug addiction, being seriously overweight, sleeping too much or to little, etc).
Once you get those things done, and yes, it might take a few years if you’re starting all of these areas from ground zero, then feel free to spend time on external solutions if you find meaning in that kind of thing.
You May Not Care As Much As You Think You Do
One parting thought about this. Some of your hardcore political types may find this hard to believe, but once you actually get your life to a place where you’re making plenty of money, getting plenty of sex (from attractive women), have your business and finances pretty much the way you want them, you may find that you don’t quite care nearly as much about the world’s problems as you did back when these things were problematic for you. (And even if you do, you’ll think about them very differently, taking perhaps a “Bill Gates directly eliminate polio” internal/independent approach rather than a “Bernie Sanders make government force someone else pay for my stuff” external/collectivist approach.)
It’s easy to scream for free college when you’re so goddamn poor you can’t even afford to move out of your parent’s house. It’s easy to bitch about Hispanic or Muslim immigrants taking your job when you rely on a dehumanizing corporate job just to pay your friggin’ bills. But, once you’re a self-sufficient guy with the parameters I listed above, and you’ve detached from most of that bullshit system, most or all of these problems go away. That means your concern about them lessens.
I’ve seen it happen, both to me and men I’ve known throughout my life. I was very politically active during the 1990’s, just as angry as many of you about the state of the world/society/nation/culture, back when I was making a fraction of what I make today and when I was barely ever getting laid. Today, since I live the Alpha Male 2.0 lifestyle of high, location independent income from my own businesses that I enjoy, while getting all the attractive sex I want via nonmonogamous relationships, not only do I not care about this stuff anymore, but I actually find it quite hilarious, like watching a comedy movie. My focus has shifted to internal solutions, plus helping the top 10% of men (as opposed to the world or my nation/culture) who actually want to help in their lives, as I described here.
It’s a good place to be. I highly recommend it.
To finish:
"A guy who's always interested in the condition of the world, and changing it, either has no problems of his own, or refuses to face them... not wanting to face things of his own nature."
-Henry Miller 1981