[sterlingarcher]

Just throw in a quick tip here (which has probably already been covered)...

Skip Tallinn for this one.

The girls are kinda cunty until you've proven you don't fall into the love tourist/stag-do category.

There are much better options for a short EE trip.

[luigi]

(04-05-2019 12:03 AM)Elmore Wrote:  

Spain - I speak Spanish, love the culture, and it is a great country and society to build a future. However it is not especially traditional these days, the Spanish in my exp are superficially friendly, but often not much beyond that. Being so sociable, all women of value have hosts of orbiters, or friends matchmaking for them.

Spain for LTR? Dont even think about that, waste of time.

You are 42 already, the "tolerated" age gap isnt as big as slavic countries.
Unless you are really attractive and find an exception, you can only aspire to get a crazy bitch that is single at 30+ for a reason or a single mom.

[HeadPomegranate]

(03-25-2019 11:43 PM)Rocha Wrote:  

(03-25-2019 11:05 PM)Iconoclast007 Wrote:  

I am married to a beautiful, blue eyed blonde Estonian. I now live in Estonia. I think for Wife Material, Estonia is as good as it gets. Ive been to Ukraine and Russia. If i was going for lays id go to Ukraine or Russia. Wife hunting id go to Estonia and stay for 3 months and not in Tallinn. Viljandi, Tartu are good options.

Also agree that Estonians are top notch in terms of personalities, much more pleasant than any Slavs.

Estonians are a bunch of salty snow niggers with a massive chip on their shoulder that they'll never be perceived as Northern Europeans and always be associated with EE. The personalities of a shit stained robot, as are all your faggoty ass boomer takes on anything EE related in this shithole forum.

[Joeno]

Estonian women are lower average than every one of their neighbour countries. They are very blonde, usually overweight and have ugly facial features (e.g. wide chubby face, crooked nose). They also tend to be uncommunicative, passive-aggressive and social retarded. You're better off in Nigeria than Estonia.

Dumb Arab/American "players" who rely on bulk approaches and paying prostitutes ruin these countries in short time anyways.

[Elmore]

(04-05-2019 02:15 AM)luigi Wrote:  

(04-05-2019 12:03 AM)Elmore Wrote:  

Spain - I speak Spanish, love the culture, and it is a great country and society to build a future. However it is not especially traditional these days, the Spanish in my exp are superficially friendly, but often not much beyond that. Being so sociable, all women of value have hosts of orbiters, or friends matchmaking for them.

Spain for LTR? Dont even think about that, waste of time.

You are 42 already, the "tolerated" age gap isnt as big as slavic countries.
Unless you are really attractive and find an exception, you can only aspire to get a crazy bitch that is single at 30+ for a reason or a single mom.

Agree with all that re Spain. Sad to say, as that's the one place i'd like to settle down, country wise. And why i'll end up giving it one more stint in EE to see if anything of value shows up.

[BroodingSea]

It's all the boot camps that piss me off, if I see them in Kiev this summer I'll be sending them on their way, utter clowns commercialising their presence and drawing negative attention

[Elmore]

(04-05-2019 05:33 AM)BroodingSea Wrote:  

It's all the boot camps that piss me off, if I see them in Kiev this summer I'll be sending them on their way, utter clowns commercialising their presence and drawing negative attention

Are they that common still? I tapped out of reading or taking any notice of PUA a few years back. I remember first moving East in 2011 and being high status on account of being Western and living there. In recent years you'd sometimes get an eyeroll for it, 'oh youve come here to find a girlfriend' is the vibe, sometimes expliicately stated.

If there's awkward twats running up to girls on their lunch breaks, stammering 'err err hi, i just wanted to say something really quick', no wonder our status has nosedived.

[Iconoclast007]

For wife hunting Estonia is the best choice. Stay out of Tallinn. Viljandi, Tartu are best but Parnu is good in summer. Dont tell the girls your only visiting, tell them your relocating potentially. Day game is more effective . Stay for 3 months+. If your goal is a wife its going to take time.

The Estonian culture prides itself in women being great mothers and wife. They cook,clean and fuck on demand. That said, you cannot buy their company like the russian girls. Must have tight game.

If you want bangs, go to Ukraine.

[Joeno]

Why is everyone thinking wife hunting in Estonia out of all places is a good idea? Maybe they love Americans?

[Iconoclast007]

The quality of life in Estonia is much higher than either Russia or Ukraine. Not as good as Sweden and Finland , something in between. So they arent desperate for money but they also havent been feminized like scandinavia. Its a great middle ground. Estonians are a small tribe of 1 million or so. The women have been getting married off for hundreds of years to swedes, finns russians etc.. The Americans are a staunch ally and US troops and equipment are stationed here. of Estonia. Americans are the new Swedes, Finns russians etc..

Stay out of Tallinn and learn tight day game.

Hit me up if you come, maybe we can have a beer.

[Joeno]

Makes sense. Thanks for the insight. I'm not American I'm Asian so probably not a good place for me.

Though funny to say one of my longest relationship was with an ethnic Estonian I met locally. I saw many photos of her friends back in Estonia and they were not attractive at all lol. Also she gave me the impression that Estonian women are a little crazy / passive aggressive.

[JWLZG]

(04-05-2019 04:55 AM)Joeno Wrote:  

Estonian women are lower average than every one of their neighbour countries. They are very blonde, usually overweight and have ugly facial features (e.g. wide chubby face, crooked nose). They also tend to be uncommunicative, passive-aggressive and social retarded. You're better off in Nigeria than Estonia.

Dumb Arab/American "players" who rely on bulk approaches and paying prostitutes ruin these countries in short time anyways.

I get that some here have an axe to grind against white blondes, but what a load of bollox.

[This Is Trouble]

(04-05-2019 12:33 AM)PixelFree Wrote:  

Interesting thoughts on the pissing in the well comment.

I've been looking at flights and you can see the Russian-Ukrainian political tensions - no direct fights between the countries as far as I can tell. All go via Minsk (Belarus).

Am currently thinking of going to Ukraine and Poland now, simply to save on flights and also give us both a bit of a break in regards to language difficulties and Russia visa costs. We don't mind some language difficulties but a whole month might be too much.

So perhaps - Kiev, Odessa + Krakow over our month holiday (approx. 9 days each), with maybe a train day trips out to other smaller cities if possible.

FYI flights in June (summer) look to be around $2,400 AUD ($1,700 USD) return to Melbourne + one internal flight between the countries. Not cheap, but then again, not a very popular destination.

Honestly man, I'd skip Odessa. In June you are going to have a lot of tourists who will not even be locals, and Odessa just has a bit of a seedy vibe (which is great fun, but maybe not so good for wifey-hunting...). Odessa does have a rep of being the foreign bride capital of the world. I've always thought if you had tight game you should avoid these type of places if you actually want to find an LTR, but that's my $0.02.

I spent a week in Lviv last summer and thought it was a whole different world - but the people were extremely friendly and I've heard nothing but good things about the girls there.

Maybe consider taking the Intercity train from Kiev to Lviv and then I believe there is a reasonably high speed train that goes onward to Krakow (think 7ish hours). That might be a bit easier logistically.

[PixelFree]

Thanks man - very helpful. A train up to Poland would make things easier for sure.

I was concerned if Odessa has been played out or not, and thought there would be better options in other cities.

Are there any popular regional holiday spots for the locals during this time of year (June) in either Ukraine or Poland?

For example, I know in Croatia the capital Zagreb is basically empty and everyone goes down to the coastal towns.

[This Is Trouble]

(04-09-2019 11:51 PM)PixelFree Wrote:  

Thanks man - very helpful. A train up to Poland would make things easier for sure.

I was concerned if Odessa has been played out or not, and thought there would be better options in other cities.

Are there any popular regional holiday spots for the locals during this time of year (June) in either Ukraine or Poland?

For example, I know in Croatia the capital Zagreb is basically empty and everyone goes down to the coastal towns.

Odessa for Ukrainians and I guess Gdansk for Poles (not sure at all on Gdansk). Lot of Ukrainians go to Lviv for holiday too.

Kiev empties out every weekend starting in May and people go to the dachas. But it's a working town so most come back for the week.

Krakow is horrible in the summer, iMO.

[Tex]

Gdansk is pretty popping with foreigners and moderately good nightlife in the Sopot area, but it is kind of brutal to cold approach there in my experience and getiting to Sopot from Gdansk is a logistical nightmare. I would stay in Spoot and put hours in there if you want to nightgame and try out Gdańsk if you want to day game.

[PixelFree]

(04-10-2019 01:58 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  

Krakow is horrible in the summer, iMO.

Horrible because it's empty? Or some other reason?

[This Is Trouble]

(04-15-2019 10:02 PM)PixelFree Wrote:  

(04-10-2019 01:58 AM)This Is Trouble Wrote:  

Krakow is horrible in the summer, iMO.

Horrible because it's empty? Or some other reason?

All the locals leave for the summer houses, all the tourists come, and no universities are in session.

[PixelFree]

Saw this on another blog from a Ukrainian guy who seemed to know what he's on about:

"First of all, don’t look for a pretty lady in Kiev, a lot of Kiev girls are mercantile. You should better try “student” cities like Kharkiv and Dnepr. Believe me, you will find a lot of women that just want have fun with foreignals"

Can anyone comment on these cities? Would they be better being student cities?

[dukecro]

Bitches in Russia and Ukraine are just after your wallet.

[BangBoy123]

There's some truth in that, but bear in mind English levels are low in these cities. Also there are girls from all over the place in Kiev. You can build up leads in Kharkov and Dnepr though and visit for a few days

[BroodingSea]

Yeah secret is out in Kiev. I've seen 30 plus women playing the insta lifestyle game (very badly) as they also try get their bit. It's becoming very beta in Kiev with a lot of low value men there.

[Elmore]

Chatting to a Ukranian pal, he confirmed what i suspected, and that from a Ukranian's eyes a girl who has a western boyfriend is seen as 'low status' now to Ukranians, and girls may be shy or coy to even admit it. Obviously there's distinctions, and that's a generalisation, but there you go.

[BroodingSea]

Amazes me how a Western bf is seen as low value sensu stricto. I doubt the correlation is a black and white as that. Maybe the Ukrainian in him is clouding his assessment (wishful thinking and male ego). I know hot Ukrainian women who love the educated westerner.

[This Is Trouble]

(04-23-2019 09:35 AM)Elmore Wrote:  

Chatting to a Ukranian pal, he confirmed what i suspected, and that from a Ukranian's eyes a girl who has a western boyfriend is seen as 'low status' now to Ukranians, and girls may be shy or coy to even admit it. Obviously there's distinctions, and that's a generalisation, but there you go.

Of course he thinks that. He's mad people are coming in and swooping his women. Ego saving.