[Heuristics]

The Proud Boys have been getting a lot of attention recently as being a "gang", "chauvinist", "neo-fascist", and "far-right", among other descriptors. Most of the criticism is SJW bs. Also recently Gavin stepped down as the leader. I never joined the Proud Boys, but that's just because I think Gavin is a bit of a loose canon at times, as well as the group being on the Anti-fa radar, and worried about the impact that could have on my life.

What are the alternatives? Things that come to my mind would possibly be: martial arts or boxing gym, hunting or shooting group, car club, Free Masons, or some sort of conservative church men's group.

[kinjutsu]

Places like this.
Masculine.
Heavy moderation to keep out the non-sense.
Leadership that understands whats at stake.

[moneyshot]

Fight Club.

oh shit, I just broke the first two rules of Fight Club. am I fucked?

[Aurini]

I posted this the other day:

(02-24-2019 04:11 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

(02-24-2019 11:52 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

We routinely make the case for the alpha/beta paradigm but we're really off by an order of magnitude.

We don't have more than a couple of alphas on the forum because alphas are by definition leaders. By historical standards for masculinity the guys getting most of the pussy are betas and the vast majority of limp-wristed soyfags are actually gammas and deltas. That is to say, men who 100 years ago would be considered an embarrassment to the family line. The majority of men in the West are the kind of kid that back in those days spent ages 0 to 15 literally hiding behind mummy's apron and who's father chastised him as being "obviously from her side of the family".

Back when most men were in fishing or construction or farming or lumber and back when those jobs were tough and dangerous as fuck, those men would look at the "alphas" of today and laugh through their broken teeth.

We don't have alphas anymore, and that's the problem because they're the ones that are supposed to lead us over the metaphorical trenches. I know a couple, but more's the pity with the actual beta troops in such short supply they've got virtually nobody to lead and so don't bother.

Our power structures in the West are so pathetically weak that it wouldn't take even Washington's 3% to relegate this ridiculous gynocracy to history along with its sniveling delta guardians. But life is still too easy, so we don't organise for that purpose and as such we get what we deserve.

Most of the so-called Betas are actually Gammas, who will stab the Alpha in the back at the first opportunity. This leads to the Alphas abandoning leadership, and simply getting some poontang on the side. The World Wars killed off a large number of the Alpha/Beta genes.

Note: I consider myself more Sigma than Alpha or Beta, and I'm happy sitting here on the sidelines watching this carnival of rust.

"Fight Club" won't work, because there aren't any Betas left - not enough, at least. They're outnumbered by the Gammas, the sneaks, the backstabbers. (And the Deltas, who will support you in private, but in public they toe the line and accept their lot.) Try and build something bigger than half a dozen people, and they'll infiltrate it, undermine it, and destroy it.

As for the half-dozen people whom you can organize before hitting that threshold - they don't need a fight club. They're all Alpha or Sigma or high-functioning Beta, and they're fine operating on their own. Alliances are great, but anything more than that becomes a target for your enemies, and a beacon for those who don't deserve it.

Focus on meeting people and doing favours for one another. Civilized self-interest amongst competent men leads to cooperation, but team work requires followers - and there aren't many of those left. Don't waste your time on those who don't want to improve their own lot. They might claim to support your values, but at the end of the day they're nothing but unapologetic parasites.

[Leonard D Neubache]

The targeted state and federal attacks on the Proudboys (under a Trump administration) have proven decisively that no matter how generic and inclusive you are, if you are an active men's group then you will be targeted for extermination by the powers that be.

The existing men's groups are either entirely soy based(MRAs), old enough to be co-opted(Masons) or already outlawed-and-maybe-co-opted (1% motorcycle gangs). Even the non-outlaw motorcycle gangs are socially blue-pilled compared to the stuff we discuss on the forum regularly and the outlaw ones are red-pilled by default only because they've adopted a "fuck everyone else who isn't me or mine" ideology which is red-pill in its outcomes at least.

This is by design of course and we're at the far end of this march against masculinity. This is doubtless part of the reason Roosh called off the ROK meetups. He knew that no matter how much support it got that the people involved would be ground into paste by the powers that be, with no expense spared. Stopping like-minded men who aren't globalist co-conspirators from forming organisations is at the top of the globalists list of shit to keep on top of.

Look at the trouble they have keeping their muslim jihadis in check and you'll realise why even something as benign as the Proudboys had to be crushed at all costs. Male political dissidents associating with one another suddenly creates a security crisis that expands exponentially with every member that joins, hence why the DC politicians don't give a shit about ANTIFA beating up people on the street en masse but shit themselves if two nationalist patriots with 1000yard rifles get together for coffee. If the Hells Angels suddenly got political then they would be wiped out over the course of a busy weekend.

You will not find a suitably masculine AND red-pilled mens group because they are ruthlessly put down before they even make a name for themselves. The closest thing these days is Islam.

[Kona]

The problem with the Proud Boys is that their name is stupid.

Same reason Bernie Sanders or Mike Huckabee never got anywhere. Stupid names.

Imagine if the Proud Boys held a big rally and called it PrideFest. Oh wait, somebody else has that.

When I read something about the Proud Boys, I get to their name and I stop.

If youre really proud, do better.

Aloha!

[Donfitz007]

For the most part the best you can do is go to Male interest clubs. There will be few women but usually they're the ones trying to get high value men or learn a skill that for some reason women don't teach.

Hunting clubs
Cigar Lounges
Sports teams
Poker Clubs
SHooting clubs
Golf clubs
Car Clubs


Best thing is to start your own club and carefully screen who you want in it. That's what I did. My screening wasn't the best and now I had to kick 2 members out.

[Trumpian]

I don't really see the point of a mens club. It's basically the MRA equivalent of a feminist organization.

I'll leave it to ladies to feel connected because they have a vagina.

Most of the world's men aren't part of my tribe/civilization and want to enjoy the riches of it at my expense. I feel nothing but enmity towards them to be frank.

[Spectrumwalker]

French Foreign Legion.

[Sp5]

The Masons.

[Leonard D Neubache]

If you're in America then you at least have a shot at joining/founding a decent militia.

That's an incredibly rare legal protection that has rarely existed anywhere in the modern world and I'm not sure why it isn't more prevalent in the states these days.

[Richard Turpin]

Yeah, just start your own. You don't need a uniform, motto or badge to be a 'club'. In fact, these days it's better not to have any of those things. I've thought about and tried doing something like this for years and came to the conclusion that it's easier and craftier to just have like-minded people and drink with them or go cycling with them (can be anything; boxing, bjj, stamp collecting, rambling, chess, who gives a fuck). That's what I do.

Only 3 or 4 strong but we are all on the same page. I'd suggest they be local though, if they can't get to your house in 10 minutes (and vice versa) you are no good to each other.

If any wider, more organised Men's Club takes off, at least we are in a good position to join up as is.

[Trumpian]

(02-26-2019 04:32 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

If you're in America then you at least have a shot at joining/founding a decent militia.

That's an incredibly rare legal protection that has rarely existed anywhere in the modern world and I'm not sure why it isn't more prevalent in the states these days.

Because those muh 2nd amendment militia groups are under continuous surveillance if not infiltrated by feds? That'd be my reason anyway. That and I don't really care for firearms.

[Pangloss]

Given that West is now unofficially the Soyviet Union, the only men worth associating with are those who are intelligent and discerning enough to reject the core of mainstream society (as it does us), who want, and plan, to live outside it as much as possible. This means rejecting the majority of men who buy into mainstream society and culture and finding those with potential.

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You don't need a uniform, motto or badge to be a 'club'. In fact, these days it's better not to have any of those things.

Correct. I don't think the government can regulate an apolitical, for all intents and purposes non-existent group of friends engaging in normal activities as yet. Adapt and survive.

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What are the alternatives? Things that come to my mind would possibly be: martial arts or boxing gym, hunting or shooting group, car club, Free Masons, or some sort of conservative church men's group.

Find one man to form a group with and go from there. Throw up a few subtle flares to to scare the normies away and whoever doesn't scatter is a potential friend.

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Civilized self-interest amongst competent men leads to cooperation, but team work requires followers - and there aren't many of those left.

Men who are not followers require an investment in an outcome, financially or otherwise. This is why people are confused about why men don't 'sacrifice themselves to save the West' etc. We don't control our societies and everyone knows it. Want to pass your culture and society to your descendants? Sorry, it's all gone. There will be no inheritance. Everyone knows it - even it they don't know they know it yet. Have a plan and provide the possibility of becoming independent (see below). Most men want that and a small few will invest in this idea.

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Try and build something bigger than half a dozen people, and they'll infiltrate it, undermine it, and destroy it.

When in Rome, do what the Romans do. Build parallel societies, institutions and resources based on your own particular group interest. This is a slow and long-term process (i.e. a lifetime's project at a local level).

Build it and they will come!
(eventually)

[Rorogue]

Proud boys were clowns. Mcinnes is a leftist pro gay degenerate

[Easy_C]

I don’t think Leonard is entirely correct about US based motorcycle groups. What he said applies a bit to ones that are just casual like the Legion Riders but any of the single gender groups will be very Rp compared to most.

Word of warning that if most of your “redpill” consists of saying pessimistic things on the internet that social circle is REALLY not the place for you.

[Robert High Hawk]

(02-25-2019 11:46 PM)Kona Wrote:  

The problem with the Proud Boys is that their name is stupid.

Same reason Bernie Sanders or Mike Huckabee never got anywhere. Stupid names.

Imagine if the Proud Boys held a big rally and called it PrideFest. Oh wait, somebody else has that.

When I read something about the Proud Boys, I get to their name and I stop.

If youre really proud, do better.

Aloha!

Except that was the whole joke. Gavin was joking and having a contest with a friend to see who could come up with the gayest name for a gang. They came up with the Proud Boys. Honestly, I think that's pretty damn hilarious, especially since so many people, including on this forum, including it's own members, take the whole thing so seriously.

So it just adds to the tragic comedy of this all, that this group, a guys social/drinking group intended to just be fun and jovial and as un-serious as possible, molded into a right wing death squad by the media. Very surreal to say the least.

edit: grammer

[Gmac]

The ones you don't know about

[Atlanta Man]

(02-26-2019 04:32 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

If you're in America then you at least have a shot at joining/founding a decent militia.

That's an incredibly rare legal protection that has rarely existed anywhere in the modern world and I'm not sure why it isn't more prevalent in the states these days.

Any militia in the United States is so thoroughly infiltrated that it will be full of informants and may likely have undercover FBI agents as high ranking members. The only militia you should be a part of is the Oath Keepers-they are all ex military and LEOs, they uphold the constitution-they do not try to get members arrested in stings.

[Leonard D Neubache]

I'm aware of the militia infiltration but I also think that the claims they're all infiltrated down to the last one is also a government psyop to push people away from joining them. Some are very benign and are more like community outreach groups that happen to do combat drills on the side. Those are probably the best ones to look for. It could even dovetail into finding a decent wife for younger Christian men.

The fed infiltration is an avoidable hazard for anyone with a triple digit IQ and is mostly a threat to the mouthbreathers who are easily manipulated. At the end of the day if someone asks you to do something illegal then you make your excuses and flake. If you want to go in hard then you build a dossier on them and if you find out anything then you anonymously expose them.

Anarcho-tyranny is well underway and only going to get worse. For the average schmuck it's going to come down to the law of the jungle. Men's groups worth a damn will have to explicitly have a military code whether it be an outlaw motorcycle club or a militia or simply a small cell of musketeer types committed to backing each other no matter what.

The oathkeepers are co-opted for a very simple reason. Their pensions. They would have backed Trump if he forced the Left to commit open treason but they will stand down when the next Left wing president goes full-Stalin as long as their income isn't compromised. Many if not most of them made a career of enforcing some brand of unconstitutional laws whether in contravention of the right to bear arms, free speech or protections against unlawful search and seizure. Their loyalty is to their paycheck. Not their oath.

[Heuristics]

The militia movement is cucked as far as I am concerned it is LARPing Feds and Methheads all coming together to do pseudo-paramilitary training when they're not drinking beer on the weekend. It makes more sense to join a bikers club than a militia. The animosity the feds have to people who self-organize with guns is readily self-apparent: just ask David Koresh and the Branch Davidians.

You are far better off joining a religious sect if you are looking for some sort of protection during the Rapture. But then again the governments track record of dealing with religious communities that are insular isn't that great either.

If you need other examples of how communities or groups are infiltrated look to the Muslim community in the US. From top to bottom they are monitored and infiltrated.

[Foolsgo1d]

Joining a movement has its risks. In Britain they go as far as hooking you up with the opposite sex to spy on you for years, even children are involved.

The bigger the group is the higher the chance there is of subversion from within.

I prefer small groups who know each other and wont compromise the groups ideals just because their feelings get hurt. You're far less likely to get blacklisted by employers who find your record during background checks as an added bonus.