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(02-08-2019 06:13 AM)timmyk Wrote:  

In my opinion, East Asians being ranked at the bottom seem to be true at least in the US.

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With the growing number of Asain Male White Female (AMWF) couples, one can counterargue that some East Asian men still manage to pull hot non-Asian girls. Just search AMWF, and you will see a lot of YouTube channels of AMWF couples blogging about their dating life. The number of those contents has been growing a lot, and I think it's largely due to the growing popularity of K-pop music and K-drama in Hispanic and European communities.

If you dig in just a little further about those AMWF couples, you can find out about few common things.

1) most of the white girls are exposed to K-pop/k-drama, although the degree of their interest/obsession varies by individual.

2) The majority of those couples met each other while the WF is doing study abroad/work holiday in Asia. (mostly Korea, which is because I am Korean as well)

3) Even the small subset of couples who met each other in non-Asian countries like the US, Europe, etc. the point (1) still holds true for the girls.

These findings basically support my argument that the representation of a race in media significantly influence the attractiveness/desirability of the race by the society and that holds true for the dating market as well. Those Asian men who scored very attractive non-Asian women who are into K-pop exist because the K-media shaped the perception of East Asian men as an attractive figure.

One thing I frequently observe is that those European girls who are fairly attractive by mainstream society's standard, are looked down upon and labeled as yellow fever with some freaky fetish on Asian men.

Just like anything else, I am sure women with yellow fever with some freaky fetish exist and always it's those extreme cases that create stereotypes. But the reality is that I personally have met and dated a handful of attractive non-Asian girls who are capable of having a normal conversation with.

Compared to Europe and Latin America, however, AMWF cases are less common in the US, I think it's mostly because Kpop/kdrama doesn't have as much influence. But it's a pleasant surprise to see Kpop songs making to the Spotify Top hits list occasionally. and they actually don't sound too bad for many American ears.

Dude, you're giving way too much credit to Hallyu/K-culture towards the sexual chances of East Asian guys especially in the west. One would think that EA men would just end up sexless incels if not for, and only because of, the K-wave, hadn't we just kowtow and thank Korea for saving our sorry butts?

Quite the opposite, I feel like I'd have been an incel if I had to rely on kpop/other k-culture. I've only ever banged white girls, and none of them, and almost none of my quarry, were garnered through K-wave. Almost none gave a shit about K-pop, although some of my quarry have turned out to have interest in some other Asian cultures....but Asia is nothing with K-pop, right.

So yeah, I think you're seeing things in extremes. Kpop isn't the only way a western/non-Asian women will see an EA guy in a sexual light, and non-Asian woman who will go for an EA guy won't only fuck EA guys exclusively. Practically every woman I've ever gone for did not limit themselves to begin with asian guys.

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What the fuck are you on about?

(02-08-2019 12:56 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

If you're an East Asian living overseas, things can seem pretty badly stacked against you. Not only do white women not really like Asian men

I haven't had any issues there. Maybe if I was dating 30 years ago, but not quite.

(02-08-2019 12:56 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

but overseas Asian women also ditch Asian men.

Have you got any backing information about this? Statistics that say that overseas EA women are more likely to end up in relationships versus the men who are more likely to end up single, import a bride from Asia, etc.?

At least for Australia, I'll say from experience that that isn't the case. Guys of EA background are as likely to end up in relationships as their women, with other races if not with their own.

Myself, I couldn't give a shit anyway, I'm not primarily attracted to them, and I feel like it's scarcity mentality to value them over other women, considering how much of a minority they are.

(02-08-2019 12:56 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

Some of this is due to natural disadvantage (shorter average height, less dominant aura) and broader prejudice, but not all of it is.[/b]

I'm just under 6 feet and jacked. Less dominant aura? I was raised to walk with a confident gait — during a team building exercise, one of the customer service staffers (middle aged white female) in a previous job remarked that I'd enter the room with a commanding aura.

Do you suppose that Asian men generally compose themselves in a pathetic slouch.....like a concentration camp prisoner or something? Fuck, they must really lack some dignity there.

(02-08-2019 12:56 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

I'm partly Asian myself and know a lot of Asian guys who simply don't make an effort to be attractive or interesting.

OK, so practically all the 2,2 billion Asian men are uniformly these colourless, uncharismatic, unimaginative automatons. I'm sure so are most white, black, brown, purple etc. men *rolls eyes*

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(02-12-2019 06:39 AM)JWLZG Wrote:  

but Asia is nothing without K-pop, right. *sarcasm*

Typo: nothing without

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(02-08-2019 12:56 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

If you're an East Asian living overseas, things can seem pretty badly stacked against you. Not only do white women not really like Asian men

I haven't had any issues there. Maybe if I was dating 30 years ago, but not quite.

I'm not in Australia, so I can't speak for the situation there, but in the States, everywhere I've been I've seen far more WMAF couples than the other way around probably at a 20 or 10 to 1 ratio.

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(02-08-2019 12:56 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

but overseas Asian women also ditch Asian men.

Have you got any backing information about this? Statistics that say that overseas EA women are more likely to end up in relationships versus the men who are more likely to end up single, import a bride from Asia, etc.?

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/05/1...rmarriage/
"Just over one-third (36%) of Asian newlywed women have a spouse of a different race or ethnicity, while 21% of Asian newlywed men do. A substantial gender gap in intermarriage was also present in 1980, when 39% of newly married Asian women and 26% of their male counterparts were married to someone of a different race or ethnicity."

This just counts marriages, and not intimate relationships in general, in which case the numbers would probably be even more skewed. The average second-generation Asian-American girl probably has a bunch of white boyfriends before settling down with an Asian guy that her 1st-generation immigrant family will approve of.

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(02-08-2019 11:07 AM)jcrew247 Wrote:  

I would think being fluent in English and Catholic would be more important when it comes to dating western women.

That makes no sense, otherwise the UK and Northern Europe would have incelled itself out of existence by now. They are mostly Protestant.

(02-08-2019 09:48 PM)jcrew247 Wrote:  

MOst women want their in-laws to get along with there husband and there are many stories of Jewish/Christian couples getting divorced over religious conflicts and disagreements over raising children. Most american-born men understand the conservative culture of the USA, but then there are many foreign-born men that don't understand the conservative culture of the USA.

(02-08-2019 09:41 PM)jcrew247 Wrote:  

More importantly, there are many conservative families in America that want their daughters to marry Catholic men, so that hurts compatibility if someone is a different religion.

Your Catholic contention is extremely bizarre, because RC's only make up 50% of Christians worldwide, and 20% of Americans are RC.

Only 2/3 of Christians worldwide are in Europe and the Americas, and of those, quite a sizeable minority aren't white:



^ Whaaat? 13,1% of the Asia-Pacific region is Christian? B-but Christianity is exclusively white, isn't it? I mean they said that Jesus Christ was a blond Aryan Viking!

(02-11-2019 11:10 PM)jcrew247 Wrote:  

The reason asian men are considered lowest on the totem pole is because they don't speak english and are not catholic.

Yes, asian men regardless of how many generations removed in the West are physically and patholigcally unable to speak a word of English, let alone without an accent, compared to a recently-arrived Polish or Kenyan immigrant. :

(02-12-2019 02:49 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

I'm not in Australia, so I can't speak for the situation there, but in the States, everywhere I've been I've seen far more WMAF couples than the other way around probably at a 20 or 10 to 1 ratio.

I've never been to the States, hence any data I've got, as below, will be with what I'm most familiar with. Let's perhaps agree that neither country is most representative of asian guys dating chances in the west.

(02-12-2019 02:49 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/05/1...rmarriage/
"Just over one-third (36%) of Asian newlywed women have a spouse of a different race or ethnicity, while 21% of Asian newlywed men do. A substantial gender gap in intermarriage was also present in 1980, when 39% of newly married Asian women and 26% of their male counterparts were married to someone of a different race or ethnicity."

In Australia — 35% of second-generation Chinese-Australian men and 48% of women intermarried. Of that 35%: 67% of them were to Anglo-Celtic partners; 11% to other European bacckground.
For second-generation Vietnamese-Australians: the percentage was equal for both genders: 48%

For 3rd-generation Chinese-Australians, the percentage has swung far more in favour of men: 68% and 73%.

These stats are broken down into specific races. Does the US not distinguish between different Asians for record purposes?

(02-12-2019 02:49 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

This just counts marriages, and not intimate relationships in general, in which case the numbers would probably be even more skewed. The average second-generation Asian-American girl probably has a bunch of white boyfriends before settling down with an Asian guy that her 1st-generation immigrant family will approve of.

At first glance, statistical data can only predict cultural trends to so much of an empirical level to a point where biased observations and personal prejudices take place. Such raw data can in fact be a good indicator of those immeasurable patterns without all sorts of "probablys" thrown in — what's next, that the percentage of Asian-American men's loss of virginity over 30 will be far higher than of Asian-American women? puh-lease.

That doesn't even answer your premise that Asian women in the west — especially the hotter ones — ditch Asian men wholesale. Perhaps records that Asian men in the US are wholesale not in relationships, which clearly isn't the case.

You don't seem to have a terribly high impression of asian men, not just physically, but personally. Assuming men of an entire skin colour can give such a pathetic impression — are you to have us believe they're less worldly, have no taste in architecture or lifestyle, physically unfit, less well-read, less well-dressed, less well-spoken etc. etc. than white men — one would have to have a huge defeatist complex to make one feel or be inferior, or feel less of a man in general.

I'm curious: do you have an axe to grind against asian men? You've said that you're part-asian, have a chinese wife, and speak fluent Mandarin. Did an Asian dude steal your white girlfriend once upon a time?

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(02-12-2019 05:50 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(02-12-2019 02:49 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

I'm not in Australia, so I can't speak for the situation there, but in the States, everywhere I've been I've seen far more WMAF couples than the other way around probably at a 20 or 10 to 1 ratio.

I've never been to the States, hence any data I've got, as below, will be with what I'm most familiar with. Let's perhaps agree that neither country is most representative of asian guys dating chances in the west.

Or that the dating scene differs between Australia and the United States. But with 300 million people versus the 25(?) million of Australia, which one is more representative should be clear.

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(02-12-2019 02:49 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:  

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2017/05/1...rmarriage/
"Just over one-third (36%) of Asian newlywed women have a spouse of a different race or ethnicity, while 21% of Asian newlywed men do. A substantial gender gap in intermarriage was also present in 1980, when 39% of newly married Asian women and 26% of their male counterparts were married to someone of a different race or ethnicity."

In Australia — 35% of second-generation Chinese-Australian men and 48% of women intermarried. Of that 35%: 67% of them were to Anglo-Celtic partners; 11% to other European bacckground.
For second-generation Vietnamese-Australians: the percentage was equal for both genders: 48%

For 3rd-generation Chinese-Australians, the percentage has swung far more in favour of men: 68% and 73%.

These stats are broken down into specific races. Does the US not distinguish between different Asians for record purposes?

The US only officially recognizes four races (actually four, Hispanic is technically an ethnicity), and studies often don't differentiate between types of Asians.

It's interesting to see the differing performance of Chinese in Australia. This suggests that China has gotten more of a cultural foothold over there.

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(02-12-2019 02:49 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote: [url=https://rooshvforum.network/post-1938076.html#pid1938076] 

This just counts marriages, and not intimate relationships in general, in which case the numbers would probably be even more skewed. The average second-generation Asian-American girl probably has a bunch of white boyfriends before settling down with an Asian guy that her 1st-generation immigrant family will approve of.

At first glance, statistical data can only predict cultural trends to so much of an empirical level to a point where biased observations and personal prejudices take place. Such raw data can in fact be a good indicator of those immeasurable patterns without all sorts of "probablys" thrown in — what's next, that the percentage of Asian-American men's loss of virginity over 30 will be far higher than of Asian-American women? puh-lease.

That doesn't even answer your premise that Asian women in the west — especially the hotter ones — ditch Asian men wholesale. Perhaps records that Asian men in the US are wholesale not in relationships, which clearly isn't the case.

I can't claim to be empirical — I would have to do research for which I am not being paid and therefore won't do. Like I implied since the beginning on the thread, what I say comes from my own impressions.

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You don't seem to have a terribly high impression of asian men, not just physically, but personally. Assuming men of an entire skin colour can give such a pathetic impression — are you to have us believe they're less worldly, have no taste in architecture or lifestyle, physically unfit, less well-read, less well-dressed, less well-spoken etc. etc. than white men — one would have to have a huge defeatist complex to make one feel or be inferior, or feel less of a man in general.

I'm curious: do you have an axe to grind against asian men? You've said that you're part-asian, have a chinese wife, and speak fluent Mandarin. Did an Asian dude steal your white girlfriend once upon a time?

You seem to have a hard time grasping the difference between the general and the absolute. If you read my first post, I mentioned my full Chinese cousins who do well with women. I didn't say it was impossible or a fluke for Asian men to succeed or be attractive. I said that due to some average physical disadvantages such as shorter average height or weaker build, and cultural issues such as the emphasis on not being as expressive or individualistic, East Asians in the US tend not to do as well with women as men of other races, even to the extent that overseas Asian women marry out at disproportionate rates. I'm not sure why you think that by saying this, I harbor some ill will towards Asian men.

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You will never have more AMWF couples than WMAF couples because in general Asian men are happy with Asian women and see no need to look elsewhere outside of personal preferences. White men on the other hand are not happy with the state of white women these days, hence so many even travel the world to look at other options.

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I and many other older Asian men have been dating white girls long before the pedos created Kpop to poison Asian cultures. My wife would never have been attracted to me in the first place if I looked like a Kpop fag. She regularly makes fun of guys who can't grow a beard or skip leg days at the gym or look excessively feminine.

I'm happy for the younger Asian guys who somehow get pussies via Kpop, but let's not overstate its importance.

I've been dating for 20 years now, and except for a white girl here and there who's lived in Asia, I've been the first Asian guy they've dated. The thing is, none of them has ever described me as "Asian" because my identity is so much stronger than my race, there is so much more they can talk about me than my skin colour or cultural background. If girls describe you as an "Asian guy", you're doomed in incel hell.

I do think that there is something not quite right with Asian Americans (taken as a whole) though. Whenever this topic comes up, it's always the Asian Americans who seem to have sand up their bottoms about it. I think lots of them have issues with identity and self confidence. Asians from the mother continent do not seem to have this issue, lots of them date and marry European girls, and I don't see it among Asian Australians either. I've been to America a few times, mostly spent in the southern states where people are supposed to be more "racist" but the girls there seem to like me just fine and I personally know Vietnamese American guys who do very well. Maybe it's the Asian American tiger moms fucking up their self esteem?

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If Asian guys want to look at success with women in the west, Central Asians are who you need to be looking at. I had a Kazakh guy in my fraternity (oddly enough, Borat came out around this time), KILLED it with women. He had some Central Asian buddies that he hung out with from time to time, but for the most part might as well have been from Nebraska, sans the look and the accent. While different from East Asians, most girls in Missouri thought they were Chinese/Japan/anywhere but Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, etc. so superficially, they were lumped together with other Asians. The thing I noticed about them was that they all had a very masculine demeanor, smoother than ice too (this guy was much closer to being a James Bond than a Borat). Knew what he wanted when he went out at night and went after it. There's definitely something to be said about that culture, but it goes to show that being Asian can go from some stereotype to overcome to an exotic factor if you got the right mojo going with it. Plus the fact that he joined a fraternity showed that he had an inherent sense of adventure and ballsiness to him that won him over many friends and women.

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(02-12-2019 07:43 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

You will never have more AMWF couples than WMAF couples because in general Asian men are happy with Asian women and see no need to look elsewhere outside of personal preferences. White men on the other hand are not happy with the state of white women these days, hence so many even travel the world to look at other options.

While that's true... I believe the reason WMAF will always be more prevalent is because White men simply carry a higher status... and therefore have certain Women give them a head start plain & simple! And when you combine this head start with proper game... you're talking about great numbers! Add in good looks... you're then talking legendary numbers!

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^^ you don't want to awake the Golden Horde, my white friend. Most recently it triggered lots of vanilla gentlemen on this forum thread-44711.html

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(02-12-2019 05:50 PM)JWLZG Wrote:  

(02-08-2019 11:07 AM)jcrew247 Wrote:  

I would think being fluent in English and Catholic would be more important when it comes to dating western women.

That makes no sense, otherwise the UK and Northern Europe would have incelled itself out of existence by now. They are mostly Protestant.

(02-08-2019 09:48 PM)jcrew247 Wrote:  

MOst women want their in-laws to get along with there husband and there are many stories of Jewish/Christian couples getting divorced over religious conflicts and disagreements over raising children. Most american-born men understand the conservative culture of the USA, but then there are many foreign-born men that don't understand the conservative culture of the USA.

(02-08-2019 09:41 PM)jcrew247 Wrote:  

More importantly, there are many conservative families in America that want their daughters to marry Catholic men, so that hurts compatibility if someone is a different religion.

Your Catholic contention is extremely bizarre, because RC's only make up 50% of Christians worldwide, and 20% of Americans are RC.

Only 2/3 of Christians worldwide are in Europe and the Americas, and of those, quite a sizeable minority aren't white:



^ Whaaat? 13,1% of the Asia-Pacific region is Christian? B-but Christianity is exclusively white, isn't it? I mean they said that Jesus Christ was a blond Aryan Viking!

(02-11-2019 11:10 PM)jcrew247 Wrote:  

The reason asian men are considered lowest on the totem pole is because they don't speak english and are not catholic.

From what I have seen Catholics are more open to non-whites joining their churches and open-minded in inter-racial dating.
Yes protestants and reformed are different than Catholic but they are also very simiilar in that they are both Christian denominations.
Catholicism is the umbrella of the reformed churches so that when someone talks about Catholicism, it refers to Christianity as a whole.
I have noticed that the anglicans and protestants are less integrated and less willing to accept non-white people. They seem more elitist and white supremacist in their history of colonialism.

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(02-12-2019 08:00 PM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Maybe it's the Asian American tiger moms fucking up their self esteem?

Most of the Asian and Indian race whiners tend to come from parts of the USA such as California and just the liberal areas in general. The areas themselves have a laundry list of problems which make for breeding grounds and produce stubborn adamant race whiners who feel inferior to white men at every turn.

1. Emasculation of men in general.

Masculinity is hated and generally disliked in these areas, add to that the fact that the Tiger Moms want to emasculate their boys even more and now you have a kid raised to be a beta male.

2. Narcissistic culture and hypocrisy that puts on the mask of higher morals.

The same liberals who will talk about how bad Trump is but then want to make sure all minorities act in line with how they want them to. In case you missed it, this also means an overwhelming number of two-faced white women who will parade social justice one day but exclusively fuck Neo-Nazi posterboys.

3. An overload of cut-throat, status hungry, social ladder climbing, and shallow immigrants which leads to things like self-hatred and doing anything to climb the social ladder.

Hence why you get an overwhelming amount of self-hating Asian women that exclusively fuck Hitler's ideal.

4. A lack of attractive women in general.

The women in places like San Francisco are, well.....not very good looking!

Unfortunately, these areas have a lot of media and social influence, lots of Asians and ethnic people also congregate there. Hence, you get the narrative from whiny minorities who feel inferior to whitey.