[jojo_snaps]

hi,

hope you're all doing well, first of all, spare me any lectures on morality, if i pursue a taken girl, it's because she has given me clear signals.

So today I approached a big booty Romanian girl at pret a manger today (its like starbucks but more sandwiches and lunch products), I went in very direct and asked her out for a drink straight away , she smirked and said 'sure'. Then i made an assumption she was italian, cut a long story short, she started making it hard to meet, we bantered back and forth i teased her about being cold like a typical eastern European, she laughed, she said listen i am married with 2 kids, what do you want from me? i said i want you out for a drink, she said " ok so what!"..why", I said because 'i like what i see'. she said 'how do you think a very jealous man with 2 kids would feel if i went out with you?' i replied some bullshit i cant remember. I said whats your name? she said it doesn't matter, by the way, while this is happening we are almost touching each other constantly and she didn't mind pushing her big tits into me during conversation, our faces were very close, I did feel like their was a lot of sexual tension but shes conflicted. she said 'are you married? let me see your fingers', I made a joke, she said "listen i have done this before, guys take my number but i never reply back to them, so there's no point. what will i benefit from if i have a drink with you?". I did not know what to reply here, her frame was so strong, but i'm happy i was so damn persistent. We probably spent 20 minutes standing there in front of her colleagues, going back and forth me trying to convince this chick to come out. when i went for the number (like 3 times!) i said is it because you feel uncomfortable to give it out at work, she replied "not at all, I dont give a shit about anyone". Anyway, the fact she took 20 minutes to play with the idea of meeting up is a good sign, other girls that are not interested will be cut-throat and would have ended the conversation in less than a minute. I think most guys would have quit ages ago, so im happy so far but not enough, anyway her question is a good one, from her perspective there's nothing to gain... what would you say and how would you turn this around? I really felt like she would be down to fuck potentially but obviously a conflict of interest. lastly she said "not today, i dont mind you coming here (pret a manger) every now and then to see me..if you wanna buy something or whatever etc"

This felt like a big cue, like maybe she needs more time..anyway i will go back to see her probably tomorrow but i don't know what my strategy would be, what would be the reason for her coming out? trust me i feel like she was very attracted and physically interested, i just dont know how i should behave when i see her tomorrow ? ditch the number and just try to meet after her shift ends? i tried that, she said no. help would be much appreciated, I feel like in game, sometimes some girls want to be hustled over a longer period of time, but the bang is on their mind, this feels like one of those...what to do? and what would be a good excuse for her to come out or make sense of it in her mind?

P.S.
I have omitted a lot of things said because it would take forever but that was the gist of what happened between us

cheers!

[kaotic]

You passed some of her shit tests but failed some of them.

You weren't ready for a married woman whose down to fuck - you have to be on top of your game because she'll constantly shit test you.

She was using you being there as attention, and making sure everyone at the shop knew she "still got it" as in she's still hot.

As far as I see - her receptiveness is luke warm.

You didn't get her number or her name the first time, to me that's striking the iron at it's hottest.

[jojo_snaps]

(01-22-2019 03:49 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You passed some of her shit tests but failed some of them.

You weren't ready for a married woman whose down to fuck - you have to be on top of your game because she'll constantly shit test you.

She was using you being there as attention, and making sure everyone at the shop knew she "still got it" as in she's still hot.

As far as I see - her receptiveness is luke warm.

You didn't get her number or her name the first time, to me that's striking the iron at it's hottest.

right so where did i fail?. She's down to fuck but how can I escalate to fuck her if she's not giving me much to worth with... I cant fuck her at her work place. I mean what would you have done differently and is there a chance of turning this around or should I just not go back there?

[Investment Bro]

(01-22-2019 04:08 PM)jojo_snaps Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 03:49 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You passed some of her shit tests but failed some of them.

You weren't ready for a married woman whose down to fuck - you have to be on top of your game because she'll constantly shit test you.

She was using you being there as attention, and making sure everyone at the shop knew she "still got it" as in she's still hot.

As far as I see - her receptiveness is luke warm.

You didn't get her number or her name the first time, to me that's striking the iron at it's hottest.

right so where did i fail?. She's down to fuck but how can I escalate to fuck her if she's not giving me much to worth with... I cant fuck her at her work place. I mean what would you have done differently and is there a chance of turning this around or should I just not go back there?

You can start by objectively assessing the situation. First off, if she's not giving you anything, she's not DTF so take that off the table.

Women (especially MILFS) that will fuck you will give you opportunities from the get go. As a young guy that enjoys rolling with MILFs now and again, these are easy kills. Tight game, and a good physique paves the way to pussy with minimal ASD.

If this chick was really interested in fucking you, she'd hit you with a couple quick shit tests and agree to go out with you. She basically got to use you for validation as Kaotic pointed out, and because you bought into her frame and went along with it for so long, she knows she has the upper hand.

Honestly, the only time it's worth it to run the long game on these types of strikeouts is when you've already got a reason to be there. Then you can play take it or leave it game and slowly build attraction/work towards a better shot. It's almost like social circle at that point. If you're just coming to make a run at her, she's going to wring you for attention and you'll never get anything out of it.

That said, conversion rates on the long game are VERY low and personally I do not feel they are worth the time.

Don't go back. You aren't ready for it yet.

[jojo_snaps]

(01-22-2019 04:53 PM)Investment Bro Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 04:08 PM)jojo_snaps Wrote:  

(01-22-2019 03:49 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You passed some of her shit tests but failed some of them.

You weren't ready for a married woman whose down to fuck - you have to be on top of your game because she'll constantly shit test you.

She was using you being there as attention, and making sure everyone at the shop knew she "still got it" as in she's still hot.

As far as I see - her receptiveness is luke warm.

You didn't get her number or her name the first time, to me that's striking the iron at it's hottest.

right so where did i fail?. She's down to fuck but how can I escalate to fuck her if she's not giving me much to worth with... I cant fuck her at her work place. I mean what would you have done differently and is there a chance of turning this around or should I just not go back there?

You can start by objectively assessing the situation. First off, if she's not giving you anything, she's not DTF so take that off the table.

Women (especially MILFS) that will fuck you will give you opportunities from the get go. As a young guy that enjoys rolling with MILFs now and again, these are easy kills. Tight game, and a good physique paves the way to pussy with minimal ASD.

If this chick was really interested in fucking you, she'd hit you with a couple quick shit tests and agree to go out with you. She basically got to use you for validation as Kaotic pointed out, and because you bought into her frame and went along with it for so long, she knows she has the upper hand.

Honestly, the only time it's worth it to run the long game on these types of strikeouts is when you've already got a reason to be there. Then you can play take it or leave it game and slowly build attraction/work towards a better shot. It's almost like social circle at that point. If you're just coming to make a run at her, she's going to wring you for attention and you'll never get anything out of it.

That said, conversion rates on the long game are VERY low and personally I do not feel they are worth the time.

Don't go back. You aren't ready for it yet.

sure my question is what would do differently to deal with her constant shit tests, how would you not fall for her frame. I get what you are saying but practical advice is what im looking for, like how else would you respond to her remarks to not fall in this trap. Chaotic said she was down to fuck but i didn't capitalize on it, but you are saying she wasn't down from the beginning.

[Hypno]

Title should be All I got was a married chicks phone number

[kaotic]

(01-22-2019 05:02 PM)jojo_snaps Wrote:  

sure my question is what would do differently to deal with her constant shit tests, how would you not fall for her frame. I get what you are saying but practical advice is what im looking for, like how else would you respond to her remarks to not fall in this trap. Chaotic said she was down to fuck but i didn't capitalize on it, but you are saying she wasn't down from the beginning.

I didn't say SHE was DTF, I just said you aren't ready for a MILF whose DTF.

IB is right there were no DTF signs, she was just toying with you, you didn't get her name or her number.

You basically tried asking for her number for 20 minutes and still didn't get it.

Even you admitted she owned the frame and you had a hard time replying to her.

You'd have to say things outlandish but funny to make her laugh when replying to her shit tests.

"listen i am married with 2 kids, what do you want from me?"

-Just another ex wife
-Absolutely nothing of course
-Just your number
-To talk about world peace over a drink of course
-Who says I wan't anything from you?
-You tell me, what do you have to offer/

All this could be said dripping with sarcasm and smirk on your face.

"listen i have done this before, guys take my number but i never reply back to them, so there's no point. what will i benefit from if i have a drink with you?

-good thing I'm not like any other guy then, you're in luck
-Oh you'll be double and triple texting me back, trust me
-we'll become friends with benefits of course!
-a few laughs and a good time, unless you hate having fun
-woah benefits? I don't think I'm ready to your friend with benefits quite yet, I don't know you! which is why we should grab a drink!


I'm honestly hardly even thinking with the replies above, but you have to be quick on your feet when it comes to shit tests in person, you can think on your toes and on the fly and be able to adapt to the conversation to the topic and her mood.


I wouldn't advise going back anytime soon.

[Investment Bro]

(01-22-2019 05:02 PM)jojo_snaps Wrote:  

sure my question is what would do differently to deal with her constant shit tests, how would you not fall for her frame. I get what you are saying but practical advice is what im looking for, like how else would you respond to her remarks to not fall in this trap. Chaotic said she was down to fuck but i didn't capitalize on it, but you are saying she wasn't down from the beginning.

No problem.

MILFS want to fuck younger studs who know how to have fun. Basically, to give them everything their husband isn't. Husband is likely more successful, but boring and routine.

Your goal in this situation is to verbally communicate to her that you're fun, but non-verbally communicate that you're only interested in something casual.

Let's look at the interaction in that context.

First off, there's a difference between being given shit, and being given a shit test.

For example, when she hit you with the "it doesn't matter" when you asked her what her name was, that was a shit test. That's her way of indicating she's only looking for something quick.

In this case, I'd tease her back especially if the sexual tension was already strong like you say it was. By teasing back, you put her on the defensive, and take her out of her frame. Plus, you keep the conversation fun. Being slightly dismissive of her establishes that she's not all that important to you, and allows her to believe that she could keep it casual with you because she's not important.

Something along the lines of "Ahhh, I thought you looked like a Bertha" with a shit eating grin would suffice. The individual line is less important than the delivery. As long as it's dismissive, and you look her in the eyes with a shit eating grin, and it's reasonably funny it'll get the job done.

Now at this point thereafter, she asks if you're married. She again wants to confirm that you'll be capable of keeping it casual, because she probably does enjoy her home life which she doesn't want to damage. She reinforces this by stating she never calls guys.

Again, you need to dismiss this objection.

In this case, you smile and say "Oh no, I'm just getting this to sell to a telemarketer later to pay for our drinks"

Read between the lines here. What are you subliminally saying to her?

Then you suggest getting together after work.

Her next bit isn't a shit test, it's just straight up shit. By this point, she's assessed your value proposition to be lacking (IE not worth risking her family for) and then moves to dismiss you.

"What will I gain by having a drink with you?" = You're already giving me the attention I want, and will continue to do so without me sleeping with you.

At this point, I would've just bailed out. To her, your persistence was more a sign of inexperience. You immediately valued her more than she valued you from the get-go. She sensed this, and that is what disqualified you. Chances are her raw attraction to you was also not high enough. Generally, the more raw attraction she has to you, the easier it is to get into her pants.

You were direct, which is definitely the formula for MILFs. Keeping it light, flirty, and fun is also important. You did some of this, but it's important to never deviate, or look flustered. She should see you as a challenge, which is exactly what she wants in the bedroom. That's why is so important to be dismissive.

If you're going to go back there, bring a hotter girl and ignore the MILF. Leave without saying anything, and then come back a second time alone. See if she comes over to you, and if she does, try to make another run at her.

That said, how's your style and your physique?

EDIT: Kaotic beat me to it while I was typing this novel of a post. Listen to him, he's spot on.

[kaotic]

^^^Not trying to steal your thunder at all brother - you write some fantastic stuff !