[Heuristics]

I'm getting all these numbers in the pipeline now, but I don't know the optimal strategy. I've been reading the forum a while, but my memory is a bit weak on the subject of handling night game numbers. Forgive me if this is a redundant thread.

What do I do?
-When do I text the lead
-What do I say
-If there's a lack of response, what do I do
-Is there anything I can do to reduce flakiness either before or after I get the number
-Is there like an optimal way to take a number?

I've been dealing with extreme levels of flakiness in the US, so I am eager to improve my results and start converting numbers into dates.

[whiteknightrises]

-When do I text the lead
I'm assuming you mean the next day or later when you're looking at your phone - text the next day

-What do I say
Some variant of nice to meet you or something about the night

-If there's a lack of response, what do I do
Try one more time e.g. "hey" - nothing = delete and move on

-Is there anything I can do to reduce flakiness either before or after I get the number
Bang the chick
But assuming you're not at that point - if you have a good Instagram profile, exchange IGs vs. numbers. Or have her text you (or vice versa) right there - e.g. get her to send a kiss emoji from her phone - might get a laugh. If the interaction isn't noteworthy you probably won't hear back

-Is there like an optimal way to take a number?
Gonna go back to my friends we should hang out sometime - what's your number
(No special "moves" just get the number)

[RDF]

That's a pretty good guide from WKR above.

The one difference for me is that I will almost always text the same night. I know traditional advice is to wait a day or two, but I don't think it works for nightgame unless she was REALLY interested in you. There's just not enough investment from her side.

Also, don't have your hopes too high if you met at a club or a high-energy spot, where she was most likely drunk as fuck. She's unlikely to remember you.

One strategy I use sometimes is to grab a lot of numbers early in a night, and then text them all a little before closing, basically pushing for them to come over to your place/meet you outside/etc. Its low probability sure, but if a girl answers yes, you're going to close unless you're just clueless.

[Atlanta Man]

Iron rule:
1) get the number, make her call you , so now she has your number-Get 5-8 of these on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday club night.
2) No more than 5 texts before you get that girl on the phone- If you can connect over the phone and have conversations - always cut it short when it is getting interesting.
3) If you do not fuck the night you met her, first dates that lead to pussy are -1)Happy hour in upscale lounge (1/2 priced drinks ability to talk.), 2)Nightclub getting drunk, 3) Come to the crib Netflix, cooking, weed , and sex.
4)You must do herculean sex acts on the first encounter and knock it out the park. She is yours for at least 3 weeks.

[lunchmoney]

(01-13-2019 04:22 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

Iron rule:
1) get the number, make her call you , so now she has your number-Get 5-8 of these on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday club night.
2) No more than 5 texts before you get that girl on the phone- If you can connect over the phone and have conversations - always cut it short when it is getting interesting.
3) If you do not fuck the night you met her, first dates that lead to pussy are -1)Happy hour in upscale lounge (1/2 priced drinks ability to talk.), 2)Nightclub getting drunk, 3) Come to the crib Netflix, cooking, weed , and sex.
4)You must do herculean sex acts on the first encounter and knock it out the park. She is yours for at least 3 weeks.

Agree with all of these except number 1. I don't give women the "power" to call me. I get the number and hit them up within 2 days. If they don't reply, try one more time then move on.

[Dulceácido]

Getting the number is the easiest part if you've done all the heavy lifting up front. You have to engage her emotions to the point that she has an "emotional involvement" with you. It can be positive or negative (thus, now and again, you drop a "neg," right?). But it should always end on the positive. Never end the engagement on a neg. Never.

My recent "go-to" on obtaining the phone number:

Don't ask her for her number at all. Wait until you have a positive emotional involvement with her--the point you would ask her for her number AND know you will get it with a substantial degree of certainty. Continue carrying on playful banter as you open up your iPhone contacts, click add new contact, and then simply pass her your phone during the banter. If you have laid the groundwork, she will almost ALWAYS input her info.

The wait 2 days shit is way-the-fuck-outta-date. In 2 days she's had 40 more Chads on Tinder/Bumble inflate her ego. I would not wait 2 days.

If there is still a chance you can link up with her THAT NIGHT, then launch a silly or simple text that night and try to work in a link up with her. If there is no chance of a link up that night, you can wait until after noon of the next day. Always reference something unique about your conversation the night before, so she knows who the fuck you are in case she got hammered drunk and/or had conversations with a bunch of dudes.

If you were able to have a decent conversation (i.e., not in some loud hip hop/honky tonk music joint) you should already know the approximate area where she lives and hopefully some of her favorite hangouts.

You can go 2 routes here and there is merit to both:

1. Ask her out to a place that is close to her place with the intent on pulling her from there, back into your dominated space of the battlefield (your neighborhood/favorite hangouts, places you can DHV). That's a decent route to go if you are separated by a long distance, because it keeps her in her comfort zone and she is less likely to flake as opposed to taking a 30 minute Uber ride to your house on the first date.

2. This is preferred, if you can pull it off: What I just said in number 1 minus the first step. Try to get her directly onto your playing field, hopefully closer to your crib, so you can DHV with your favorite bartenders, buddies, etc. and, clearly, the objective is to end up at your crib. Your long-game for this should be just as ATL Man said, back to the crib for drinks/weed/hot-tub/Netflix/etc. So plan for that in advance.

(Strangely enough, I had a girl the other day ask me if I wanted to play some fucking video game(?) with her. I forget the name of the game, but she was appalled I didn't know what it was. I don't play video games, but I guess, these days, if you're hitting on chicks in their 20's, you will encounter this, as well--never thought playing video games could actually get you laid instead of the opposite)

....and, No, I'm not going out to buy a Playstation.

I don't play. I quit school because it had recess.

[Bacchus]

While the goal should always be to pull her back to your place, sometimes the logistics just don't work out.

I text her that night (after I've left) with an intro message. It's my name plus a cheesy/witty description of myself. If she texts back anything that night, it's a very solid lead. If she texts back in the morning, it's a good lead. If not, I'll send another text in the late afternoon with a picture of something I'm doing (and it can be something from weeks before to save yourself the hassle). No response after that, and I delete.

[Heuristics]

@whiteknight: appreciate your advise.

Your bit about IG is actually really helpful, I created a profile few wks ago and am looking to use it to corroborate my travel stories or function as a DHV, or a conversation started.... I'm fun, adventurous, spontaneous. Going on a bit of a tangent, but I'm at roughly 200followers, 16% like rate for my photos, which I think is decent... But I'm probably gonna be getting followliker so I can get up to 5k. Organically I don't know how to build an IG following anyway...

Rdf: great advise as well. I want to start texting the same night, I wouldn't have thought of that otherwise. The bit about collecting numbers and then hitting them up on the tail end of the night is gold. I'm gonna try that.

@Atlanta
1. I'm gonna make sure from now on she calls me when I take number.
2) The bit about texting is helpful, I haven't read really that much on text game but I do know I need to get her on the phone. I'm going to be following your rule from now on. The advise to cut it short is great, and I'm gonna use that.
3)
A)happy HR at upscale joint- I don't think I've really talked about this, but there is like a grand total of one standalone upscale bar/lounge in my city. By chance its a cocktail bar specializing in whiskey drinks. It is a very nice place, and I will use it in the future. My town has a wine bar, but I've not checked it out... Maybe that's in the cards.
B)nightclub- Good idea, I can dance anyway too.
C)house- I agree bro but I'm in a shared living situation but I have a house within 10 minutes of all the action in town. I'm a good cook, I actually make bread a lot, good with desserts, really good at cooking German food, Russian food, grilling, etc. I am also damn good with cocktails I can make basicly any of them (martini, caipirinha, mojito, old fashioned, margarita, daquiri, etc.. all the classics essentially.) I have a very thorough knowledge of spirits and I can make foreign drinks too.... Anyway, I went on a tangent... I don't really smoke weed much Atlanta man, so my tolerance is damn low. Can you explain how often u do this... I'm up for smoking weed, or dropping hints to an open girl so I can get her over to my spot.

@Lunch: interesting point about women calling ur number.

@Dulce: really solid thoughts man. Especially about not ending on a neg... The bit about establishing rapport and just handing her the phone is great, and sounds cool as fuck. You're a smooth operator man... I don't have an iPhone so that's a bit of a self cockblock... I have 3 cheapass phones at the moment: couple Android's and an old ass iPhone. Sometimes I wonder if I need to get a new phone... But anyway I have 3 phone numbers and that's always something that gets a girl talking with me... She tries to guess my job....

I think ur right about the need to not weight. She's getting incredible levels of validation from Chad on online dating, and beta orbiters on IG.

As far as referencing the convo I had with the girl the night before, that's also something I'm gonna do from now on... That gives her a real clear reference point so she can remember me.

We're I'm loving rn bro, everthing, including the women is a 10 minute drive or less. Logistics are good but I live in a compact city. An Uber here is 5-10 minute ride tops...

I think I have my town on lock actually. I have a core 2-4 places I go on any night out, and I'm familiar with staff, the venue, the crowd there, even have friends in these places many times. Both me and wing have social proof... In fact the other day doorgirl asked me where the wing is/was... I don't pay cover anymore, so that's a cool perk.

#Bacchus- great info. That's something I'm using!

[whiteknightrises]

Yea don't waste your time building an IG organically - not easy.
Remember though - it's not so much about the "travel pics" as it is you - look good/like a guy girls wanna fuck.

Yea when you wrote that I assumed you were talking about after that night had finished

Texting same night can be good mainly because the girl is probably splitting up with her friends, losing her friends, etc. as the night goes on (friends cockblocking being one of the main issues with nightgame, assuming you have other stuff down)

Just text some variant of "hey what you up to" and as soon as you get a response, immediately call because time is of the essence/you don't know when she's gonna check her phone again
^ If you're in the same venue, ask her where she is or tell her to go somewhere that's easy to find and go find her ASAP - don't rely on the girl coming to you cuz she's probably drunk, might get hit on by another guy, or do something else that will take up a lot of time/result in her not meeting you
^^ If she's somewhere else, go and meet her depending on your options/how far the place is, etc.

If/when you meet, hopefully she is alone - just chat a little and immediately try to take her home ("let's step out for a sec/smoke/drink/some other BS excuse" - take her hand and lead). You should "always be closing" but especially when it's getting late and your options are running out
^ If she is somewhat hesitant but seems to like you a little, consider buying her a shot or drink e.g. tequila/Long Island Iced Tea and then trying the above again
^^ If she seems like she is wasting your time (not down, constantly "looking for her friends", etc.) talk to some other girl

[Heuristics]

Yeah I agree about IG. Hopefully followliker works. I'm decent with photoshop too, so all the new photos I'm taking (in way better shape now) are going to look better. It sounds like i need advise on what constitutes good IG photos. I'm horrible about just trying to post genuine shit to IG. I'm debating like some low level peacocking, like wearing some slightly ostentatious or edgy clothes. I can actually pull it off, have done it before, and I use to get a lot of IOIs before I changed my dress style, this was a few years ago.

Reflectively, I can see that holding onto these leads until the next day is a net negative, oftentimes the next day I already feel it's too late or that they will flake.

Good info...

Great ideas on isolation, that's something that's fundamentally weak in my game (as you can see from my posts).

I have been following the don't buy drinks rule, but rules are meant to be broken, right?

I'm getting better at ejecting.

Almost all the time I go out with a wing, is there anything we can do to maximize our success, we've only been together as a partnership for about a month (most my approaches are nightgame with him).

Either at The Abattoir as I call it (the nightclub), or the whiskey bar for most nightgame. Sadly, there are not many good nightgame venues in my city. One scenario I'm playing with in my mind is hitting shitty venues first so I can do some blowout approaches and get in state for the nightclub, where are are good sets and girls I'd love to take home.

I'm seriously eying daygame this week, but I'm scared to death. I don't want to get a reputation as a spam approacher. or, get kicked off of private property. Last time I did daygame I was a completely different person who didn't know what he wanted and lacked confidence needed for daygame.

[whiteknightrises]

"It sounds like i need advise on what constitutes good IG photos."

Just look at pics of guys from your city (no homo) - hashtags, locations, etc. and see what guys are getting good feedback from girls (heart emojis, "omggg", etc.)
No need to re-invent the wheel.

"I have been following the don't buy drinks rule, but rules are meant to be broken, right?"

This is PUA bs. I actually get pussy (see rep and so on) so you can trust what I say.
There is almost no girl that can drink 2-3 drinks and not be at least 80% more DTF (Broscience-proven theory)
(If there is, you probably shouldn't date that girl - joke)
But this is more for girls that seem to like you (e.g. on the fence but would probably be down if they were a little more drunk) - there are definitely girls that will use you for drinks
^ Also, if you're worried about the money factor - if buying a girl a drink or two is something you need to think about, that means you need to work on your finances

"Almost all the time I go out with a wing, is there anything we can do to maximize our success"
Try to take home any girl that you talk to for more than a few minutes
This is by far the biggest thing guys in pickup lack after they don't have AA, etc. (killer instinct/closing)

The whole "get in state" thing is also PUA bs.
Yea it helps to "be in the zone" socially but don't get tied to thinking you need to "be in state" to fuck a girl.
In fact, eliminate the thought that you "need to be smooth" - interactions can be the opposite of that and you can still get laid
^ Plus you usually get that way (or enough where you don't feel "rusty" or whatever) after you talk to 1-2 girls anyway

I don't know how you'd get a rep as a spam approacher unless you live in a small town/go to a small/not big university (and of course don't go approaching people on their property if that's what you mean by private property)
If you care about what people think, you won't make it
This needs to be for you, not impressing other dudes/protecting your ego (no one is going to care anyway, if anything they might look for a second or two before looking back at their phone)

[Heuristics]

Cool, I have a template for IG success now, just need to see what’s working locally.

Drinks: cool, I was starting to think it was. Great explanation. Not worried about money.

Wing: Cool, so if I talk to a girl for more than a few minutes, focus all the effort on getting her home.

Getting in state: yeah, I can believe that. But a set or two warm up definitely helps me, just like stretching helps some people.

Re: daygame, spam approaching: I find myself in a city of 100,000 to 250,000, but definitely the sort of place where it’s easy to run into people because of lack of variety of solid venues, this goes for both day and night game. Somewhat conservative values in this city. This is a place with something like 3-4 universities I think (maybe more), and I want to leverage that. That’s why I would be worried about gaming, being noticed. Like gaming at a private university, that could be grounds for getting banned if one approach went badly. I would also be worried about approaching, at say, the mall, where there are plenty of targets, but again, malls are private property.

I don’t care about what people think, but I do dislike daygame, so on some level I’m making.excuses.

[Atlanta Man]

(01-13-2019 07:12 AM)lunchmoney Wrote:  

(01-13-2019 04:22 AM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

Iron rule:
1) get the number, make her call you , so now she has your number-Get 5-8 of these on a Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday club night.
2) No more than 5 texts before you get that girl on the phone- If you can connect over the phone and have conversations - always cut it short when it is getting interesting.
3) If you do not fuck the night you met her, first dates that lead to pussy are -1)Happy hour in upscale lounge (1/2 priced drinks ability to talk.), 2)Nightclub getting drunk, 3) Come to the crib Netflix, cooking, weed , and sex.
4)You must do herculean sex acts on the first encounter and knock it out the park. She is yours for at least 3 weeks.

Agree with all of these except number 1. I don't give women the "power" to call me. I get the number and hit them up within 2 days. If they don't reply, try one more time then move on.

When I say make her call you, I am talking about when you meet her-Example:At the club you meet a pretty 8/10, conversation is good you get close she lets you touch and get close, she wants to exchange information and get back to her group so she does not look slutty-She is going to pull out her phone-instead of yelling your number over the music, make her use her phone to call you-now you have her number and she has yours.

The reason I do this is because -drunk and high at the club- you can accidentally get the wrong number yelling over music. I have pulled a hot girl and "go the number" and it was wrong. Ran into her later and she was PISSED I did not call her, and was really in her feelings because we connected when we met and had a lot in common- Turns out she gave me her number with one digit off-We had sex that night. If I made her call me I could have been hitting that for weeks.

I should have been more clear in my original post.

[whiteknightrises]

(01-23-2019 01:03 AM)Heuristics Wrote:  

Cool, I have a template for IG success now, just need to see what’s working locally.

Drinks: cool, I was starting to think it was. Great explanation. Not worried about money.

Wing: Cool, so if I talk to a girl for more than a few minutes, focus all the effort on getting her home.

Getting in state: yeah, I can believe that. But a set or two warm up definitely helps me, just like stretching helps some people.

Re: daygame, spam approaching: I find myself in a city of 100,000 to 250,000, but definitely the sort of place where it’s easy to run into people because of lack of variety of solid venues, this goes for both day and night game. Somewhat conservative values in this city. This is a place with something like 3-4 universities I think (maybe more), and I want to leverage that. That’s why I would be worried about gaming, being noticed. Like gaming at a private university, that could be grounds for getting banned if one approach went badly. I would also be worried about approaching, at say, the mall, where there are plenty of targets, but again, malls are private property.

I don’t care about what people think, but I do dislike daygame, so on some level I’m making.excuses.

Yea if you want to maximize your sex life you need to be in a bigger city (I'd say 2 million+ would be the cut off but obviously a lot depends on your personal situation - what country you're from, if you can move, etc).

At that kind of size the circles are too small and people probably all know each other