[Tuthmosis]

This thread is dedicated to every white-knight beta I've ever encountered in my dealings.

I could write volumes about this, but I'll let it speak for itself first:

[Roosh]

If I saw a guy abusing his obvious girlfriend or wife in public, even slapping her around, I wouldn't do anything. She chose him and obviously likes it.

It has happened twice when I saw a girl berating a man in public, just tearing his balls out. Both times I said, "You shouldn't let her treat you like that." He just let out a weak laugh and did nothing. I've come to the conclusion that you shouldn't ever help someone who is being disrespected.

[speakeasy]

Very eye-opening video! Did you guys see that hideous, masculine Indian bitch at 2:20??

If I saw a guy getting his ass beat by a woman I would find it hilarious. I think almost anyone getting beaten in an open place like a park has the option of getting up and running away if they felt they were in danger. If a physically imposing guy was literally holding a woman down and striking her while she was clearly trying to get away, I think I'd have to intervene. That's just wrong.

[blurb]

Quote:

Women hitting men may be a Hollywood staple.

Thank God someone finally notices that male-bashing permeating in the media.

Quote:

Time and time again, so many people assume that the man is guilty.

People assume the best of women and the worst of men. When it comes to criminal activities, men are the default gender even though women can commit crimes as well. Men are dispensable, replaceable, and, women are worth more than men in the market since they can add to the population and give birth. If half the population of men got killed off, there's no problem since it only takes a few penises to get the job done. If, on the other hand, half the population of women got killed off, men would get violent and society would recede as men would compete with other men for scarce resources.

The cop near the end of the video is ticked me off; he wouldn't help a guy out who was getting beat by a woman, but he would rush in if it were a guy beating a woman? Hypocrite.

[MikeCF]

Why does the double standard exist?

BECAUSE YOU ARE MEN.

Stop fucking crying about this shit. Don't get married. Don't knock a chick up. Don't tolerate a woman's insolence.

Do you want a fair system where The Law rushes to protect you from a woman?

Revolting.

I vote for a different result. If you're a man being abused by a woman, you should be sterilized.

[blurb]

Quote:

Do you want a fair system where The Law rushes to protect you from a woman?

Revolting.

I vote for a different result. If you're a man being abused by a woman, you should be sterilized.

Ha. I was just about write something similar to that, but you beat me to it.

The forum talks a lot about what is wrong with American women, but, on the other hand, American men are just as guilty. They allow women to get away with this stuff. Is this how pussified American men have become? That they can't even defend themselves? That they can't stand up for themselves?

As entertaining the ABC show, "What Would You Do?" is, I'm not especially fond of the message that it's sending. It teaches you to rely on other people instead of standing up for yourself. If you always have someone do the work for you, how will you ever learn how to handle life's difficulties? If someone is discriminating against you, don't you have the backbone to command respect instead of depending on others to fix the problem for you?

[MikeCF]

(10-07-2011 04:52 PM)blurb Wrote:  

Quote:

Do you want a fair system where The Law rushes to protect you from a woman?

Revolting.

I vote for a different result. If you're a man being abused by a woman, you should be sterilized.

Ha. I was just about write something similar to that, but you beat me to it.

The forum talks a lot about what is wrong with American women, but, on the other hand, American men are just as guilty. They allow women to get away with this stuff. Is this how pussified American men have become? That they can't even defend themselves? That they can't stand up for themselves?

As entertaining the ABC show, "What Would You Do?" is, I'm not especially fond of the message that it's sending. It teaches you to rely on other people instead of standing up for yourself. If you always have someone do the work for you, how will you ever learn how to handle life's difficulties? If someone is discriminating against you, don't you have the backbone to command respect instead of depending on others to fix the problem for you?

I just want the government to leave me alone. I don't need its protection.

Alpha mindset.

[All or Nothing]

(10-07-2011 04:32 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Why does the double standard exist?

BECAUSE YOU ARE MEN.

Stop fucking crying about this shit. Don't get married. Don't knock a chick up. Don't tolerate a woman's insolence.

Do you want a fair system where The Law rushes to protect you from a woman?

Revolting.

I vote for a different result. If you're a man being abused by a woman, you should be sterilized.

Then why do women get the impetus in this society to constantly bitch about all the double standards that get applied to them?

[MikeCF]

(10-07-2011 04:59 PM)All or Nothing Wrote:  

Then why do women get the impetus in this society to constantly bitch about all the double standards that get applied to them?

Will to power.

If you can get power, even through illegitimate means, then you'll take your power.

Women impose their will through bitching and nagging.

Read your Nietzsche and Schopenhauer. They have great writings on women.

[Tuthmosis]

MikeCF, while I agree with you in principle, the problem comes when men cannibalize other men in the form of white-knighting. Yeah, it's nice to say that all that needs to happen is that men need to put the smack-down again, but that pre-supposes a lot. "Men" is not a monolith. If the whole world were filled with people like us, that would work just fine. But unfortunately, a lot of men--as exemplified in the cop in that video--have had the Kool-Aid, and make that process very difficult. In other words, certain men (and I'd argue it's a significant portion) are as complicitous in the emasculation of men than bitchy, whiny, feminist women.

[Gmac]

(10-07-2011 04:32 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

If you're a man being abused by a woman, you should be sterilized.

I have to agree if you let it happen on a recurring basis. A woman gets one chance with me, then it's finito.

[MikeCF]

(10-07-2011 05:06 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

MikeCF, while I agree with you in principle, the problem comes when men cannibalize other men in the form of white-knighting. Yeah, it's nice to say that all that needs to happen is that men need to put the smack-down again, but that pre-supposes a lot. "Men" is not a monolith. If the whole world were filled with people like us, that would work just fine. But unfortunately, a lot of men--as exemplified in the cop in that video--have had the Kool-Aid, and make that process very difficult. In other words, certain men (and I'd argue it's a significant portion) are as complicitous in the emasculation of men than bitchy, whiny, feminist women.

Yes, and it is those men who bear the brunt of feminism.

Sorry, guy, but my life is fundamentally better under a feminist world. Feminism has been great to me. "I am the 1%."

I get as much sex as I want (female empowerment), can cum in women (birth control), and because most men are beta, women flock to me.

If more guys were like me, I'd have actual competition. As it is now, I don't care about sausage fests. Those guys can't compete with me. I get laid under any male:female ratio.

I only support change because the good times are unsustainable.

[oldnemesis]

(10-07-2011 03:54 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

It has happened twice when I saw a girl berating a man in public, just tearing his balls out. Both times I said, "You shouldn't let her treat you like that." He just let out a weak laugh and did nothing. I've come to the conclusion that you shouldn't ever help someone who is being disrespected.

No, you should not. As I said in different thread, there is a number of men who go to dominatrix chicks and pay them money to be humiliated and getting their balls busted - sometime physically. I remember reading an interview of some whore who was doing this kind of stuff, and she said most of her customers were males with accomplished careers who were doing very well financially (as she charged $500 for hour so this probably was true). Seems like there are some people who are just into this kind of stuff. Some guys have foot fetishes, some are into cuckolding, and some like being publicly humiliated and slapped with a rubber dick. Why spoil someone's fun?

[Screwston]

Quick reply because I'm on my phone about to get ready.

Blurb - I've seen clips of that show and I agree. Be a man...hell just be a person with some self respect and stand up for yourself. The nosey people on there are disgusting. Mind your own business bitch! I know someone who tried to get in the middle of an argument between a guy going crazy on his girl (slapping her around) and he ended up getting shot in his leg.

I can't stand nosey people who try to get in my business, especially in public. A few years ago, I was with a girl at Jack in the Crack and she spilled some coke on me. I started cussing her out and threatened to make her walk home after she started cussing back. Some fat fart who looked my dad's age comes up to our table, looks me in my eye and asks me if there's a problem!! I told him to get out of my face or there
will be. He sat back down and kept dogging me until we left lol. Stay out of my business and I'll stay out of yours.

[vinman]

(10-07-2011 04:54 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-07-2011 04:52 PM)blurb Wrote:  

Quote:

Do you want a fair system where The Law rushes to protect you from a woman?

Revolting.

I vote for a different result. If you're a man being abused by a woman, you should be sterilized.

Ha. I was just about write something similar to that, but you beat me to it.

The forum talks a lot about what is wrong with American women, but, on the other hand, American men are just as guilty. They allow women to get away with this stuff. Is this how pussified American men have become? That they can't even defend themselves? That they can't stand up for themselves?

As entertaining the ABC show, "What Would You Do?" is, I'm not especially fond of the message that it's sending. It teaches you to rely on other people instead of standing up for yourself. If you always have someone do the work for you, how will you ever learn how to handle life's difficulties? If someone is discriminating against you, don't you have the backbone to command respect instead of depending on others to fix the problem for you?

I just want the government to leave me alone. I don't need its protection.

Alpha mindset.

Amen Brother, Amen!

[Basil Ransom]

I laughed. The first few seconds looks like my typical makeout technique. My friends know it as "The Claw."

[Andreas]

Yesterday i have had a girl playing the victim behind my desk in a classroom because i did not give her a gum. She was angry and kept telling me that i was going to regret that.I chose to ignore her crying and bitching.
After that, a guy took her pen and she was begging him to give her pen back because it was a pen from America and seemed important to(go figure). The female teacher saw the drama the girl has created and screamed at the guy who took her pen.

After she got her pen she still got angry on me because i did not give her a gum.
Bitches play sweet when they want something from you and when you dont give them what they want (because every other guy gave her what they expected), they become Chimeras, level 20 poisonous snakes and whatever ugly thing you can think ff

[cibo]

I like the girl who assumed the guy was cheating
Either she's a cheating slut or loves dating cheating alphas.

[gibraltar]

(10-07-2011 05:13 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(10-07-2011 05:06 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

MikeCF, while I agree with you in principle, the problem comes when men cannibalize other men in the form of white-knighting. Yeah, it's nice to say that all that needs to happen is that men need to put the smack-down again, but that pre-supposes a lot. "Men" is not a monolith. If the whole world were filled with people like us, that would work just fine. But unfortunately, a lot of men--as exemplified in the cop in that video--have had the Kool-Aid, and make that process very difficult. In other words, certain men (and I'd argue it's a significant portion) are as complicitous in the emasculation of men than bitchy, whiny, feminist women.

Yes, and it is those men who bear the brunt of feminism.

Sorry, guy, but my life is fundamentally better under a feminist world. Feminism has been great to me. "I am the 1%."

I get as much sex as I want (female empowerment), can cum in women (birth control), and because most men are beta, women flock to me.

If more guys were like me, I'd have actual competition. As it is now, I don't care about sausage fests. Those guys can't compete with me. I get laid under any male:female ratio.

I only support change because the good times are unsustainable.

I applaud your confidence. There is definitely a bright spot open for men who adhere to more traditional male roles of dominance and power.

but..... The average US female is around age 38 last I checked (Check CIA Factboook - Great tool for doing research on local female talent pool).

She is past her prime. Of course she gives it up to the 1%. Whatever that means LOL.

She takes birth control, thus making her LESS FEMININE!!!!! Giving birth is what makes her female. Why on earth would someone brag about banging a chick who DOES NOT WANT YOUR CHILD!!!!!!

The Beta male surge is caused by the heavily processed USA diet and mass agricultural revolution which has stripped the soil of vital nutrients......thus we have a MASS ZINC DEFICIENCY among most US men. Zinc will boost your T levels into Gold like realms!

......Meanwhile I will be partying it up in Brazil & Colombia enjoying an abundance of YOUNG, HOT women who despise birth control because they are begging me to impregnate them.

Good times are VERY sustainable

P.S. Don't sleep on Africa and the middle east. Full of young hotties. Average female age is around 18 to 21

[Scott]

Mike and Gib - you both raise good points but I feel that the definition of what feminism is has kind of become a little twisted over time. Mike you argue that because of the rise of feminism we have such good things like birth control. This is something I agree with and, despite what Gib claims, I don't want any of my unwarranted offspring running around just as much as any girl I put my dick in doesn't. South American girls may be different but that's unrelated to the topic at hand.

However birth control is just one example of the tiny number of positives that feminism brought almost two generations ago now and even then it was a kind of side-product which resulted from the movement. Personally I feel that feminism turned from a fad that went from females fighting for equal rights to them being gifted with unearned respect. There's a big difference between the two. Have we seen any such revolutions in our culture since the likes of birth control thanks to feminism (and this is us all assuming the two were actually linked)? Not any that I can think of. Yet feminism persists.

Gib I agree that the lack of decent diet in the Western world is a major contributing factor towards the recent surge in beta-ness with guys. Taking multi-vitamins (or just zinc) would help a lot of men within a month alone to become more manly.

However there's other issues to contend with too - namely the media and the social conditioning rolled out by society in general. Boys are told to respect girls just because... well, they're girls. This links back to my point in the paragraph above - at some stage along the way it was decided that women not only deserve equal rights to men, but also more respect right off the bat just because they were born with a vagina.

White Knights are guys who have been brought up in this world and are tricked into actually believing this crap. White Knights are the guys who wouldn't look twice if they saw a guy their own age, creed and class being robbed on the street but they would more than happily attempt to intervene if a girl (no matter what she was like) was in the same situation.

Regardless, we should all be grateful for White Knights because, let's face it, it leaves more pussy for the rest of us which haven't bought into this whole new-wave we-forgot-what-feminism-was-about-in-the-first-place agenda.

[Moma]

I don't agree with the lizards thinking he deserved it because he was cheating. Nothing deserves an ass whupping except defense against an ass whupping.
The problem is, iguanas think it's okay and they come across men who don't give a fcuk about legal repercussions.
Some men will punch a lizard in the face, just as hard as they would punch a dude.


Once I was attending the London carnival and one of my friends bucked up on one of his friends from the manor. Now my friend knew a few goons and these cats were definitely graduates from goonville.

My friend tried to game on a set of lizards walking by. They totally ignored him with the standard London snub.
One of the goons took a running start and Jet Li'd one of these lizards hard in the back.
Recognising the caliber of male she had encountered, she and her friends rapidly walked on.
Although I don't condone such behaviour towards lizards, I won't lie when I say a small component inside me rejoiced slightly at such an act.

[kosko]

(10-07-2011 04:17 PM)blurb Wrote:  

Quote:

Women hitting men may be a Hollywood staple.

Thank God someone finally notices that male-bashing permeating in the media.

Quote:

Time and time again, so many people assume that the man is guilty.

People assume the best of women and the worst of men. When it comes to criminal activities, men are the default gender even though women can commit crimes as well. Men are dispensable, replaceable, and, women are worth more than men in the market since they can add to the population and give birth. If half the population of men got killed off, there's no problem since it only takes a few penises to get the job done. If, on the other hand, half the population of women got killed off, men would get violent and society would recede as men would compete with other men for scarce resources.

The cop near the end of the video is ticked me off; he wouldn't help a guy out who was getting beat by a woman, but he would rush in if it were a guy beating a woman? Hypocrite.

This is a interesting take but I think its way to modernist of a view. The slave trade caused Western Africa to face a 100year + demographic crash. When the Men we're taking away at there physical and mental peaks it caused irreversible damage.

In modern societies women have more value but in traditional societies Men still hold more value.

I am confused about this thread though. This video didn't really teach me anything new. We all agree that if a man can't hold his own with his women he is a chump. The video agreed with that also. There is the double standard in place but it would feel even more odd if the standards we're equal to the point people would intervene for the man as much as the woman.

I would intervene in either. Unless the women is getting tossed around like a rag doll or it was a friend.

[Alpha]

Woman beats man is misogyny, when the female host lady says, "These people see women as weak and not a threat, which is very sexist." <-srsly?

If my woman did that to me, I might let it go for a second or two, maybe she just needed to yell and get a slap out. Then I'd correct her. Any longer than that and I defend myself.

[Giovonny]

(10-07-2011 04:32 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Stop fucking crying about this shit.

Ha. You took the words out of my mouth.

(10-07-2011 05:01 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Read your Nietzsche

Just for the sake of this conversation. I've heard that Nietzsche struggled with women. This may have effected his writings? Though, I hear its good stuff, so who knows?

(10-07-2011 03:54 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I've come to the conclusion that you shouldn't ever help someone who is being disrespected.

Interesting. I trust your experience. If I see a guy beating his gf, I will probably not do anything because of this thread..

[Beyond Borders]

(10-07-2011 03:54 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I've come to the conclusion that you shouldn't ever help someone who is being disrespected.

Quote:

Interesting. I trust your experience. If I see a guy beating his gf, I will probably not do anything because of this thread..

I hope you mean that you were convinced by the points made throughout the thread rather than just changing your mind on Roosh's behalf. He seems like a smart, experienced guy, but you should still do your own thinking, IMHO.

Apologies ahead of time if I read too much into that statement - maybe I misunderstood.

Anyhow, I'm a bit torn on the matter. I've definitely learned there are situations you shouldn't get involved in. I once punched a guy in a parking lot for tossing his chick around and his mom came at me swatting me with her purse in the head. lol In retrospect, the bar I was at was the last place in the world I should have done something like that. In all honesty, I shouldn't have been in that dirty ass place in the first.

Not that the purse posed a threat but it was pretty volatile environment overall.

I realize now that in most situations it's better to stay out of it, but I think there is a line. I would imagine that most of you have a line as well.

Also, I think some of you might be being too black and white with the white night thing. In the dumb decision I mentioned above, for instance, I had no desire in hell to impress this guy's old lady - she was quite the hag. Ditto for all other tweakers at the place.

In fact, due to the danger I posed on myself by intervening in this particular situation, as I was a complete stranger and surrounded by tweakers who knew each other, impressing any of the other hags present was last thing on my mind as well. Any reward for being a "white knight" was far outweighed by the risks.

Some people just react because that's what they believe is the right thing to do - no more no less. Some people do still put themselves in bad situations they shouldn't based on principle alone.

Now, whether or not they're right that it's the correct thing to do in this particular cases is certainly debatable, but I'm not so sure labeling anyone who puts theirself in harm's way like that a white knight is doing the world any favors.

I agree with a lot of what you guys are saying, but I also think each situation is unique.

And for the record, I think it's also worth reminding everyone that not every woman out there who gets abused enjoys it or stays because she is used to it. I'm not saying you can do anything about it in one situation, as an outsider, but I am saying let's be a little more honest about how the world works.

There are some out there who are too afraid to leave because they honestly believe the bastard when he says he'll hunt her down or kill her or whatever. Others are just too emotionally and mentally weak to leave and stay until it's gone too far.

And then again, how do you know it isn't the first time he unloaded on her? How do you know he didn't just lose his fucking marbles and snap - is it worth it to ignore what's going on based on the premise that there is a part of her that likes abuse when you really have no clue what's going on?

Again, I'm not saying anyone should hop in and play captain save-a-hoe anytime a chick gets slapped. I'm not saying that at all.

But what I am saying is that situations like this are not as black and white as some of you are suggesting.