[Ferrari]

Men have realized the game is rigged and they can't compete so they don't even bother to play. This has happened in Japan already but on a larger scale, the west will catch up eventually.

Quote:

As of last year, 22 percent of men between the ages of 21 and 30 in the U.S. with less than a bachelor’s degree reported not working at all in the previous year—up from only 9.5 percent in 2000.

https://quillette.com/2018/12/14/video-g...g-of-life/

[RawGod]

So what? What if the proportion of men aged 22-30 without a bachelor's degree has dropped significantly in the same period? Need more info to know if there's even a trend. I'm not saying there isn't, but this is lazy use of stats.

[Montrose]

Men are dropping out of university, evicted by women. Women now make up two thirds of college graduates in the US and to a slightly lesser extent in most Western countries

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blo...ut-college

http://www.wnd.com/2017/06/anti-male-env...m-college/

The Economist ran a long paper on men dedicating their life to video games. There is plenty of evidence that men are disappearing from society. Here for example:

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc...en/488858/

See also this:

https://youtu.be/BoXQf2f2Yxo

[Johnnyvee]

(12-19-2018 01:53 PM)Ferrari Wrote:  

Men have realized the game is rigged and they can't compete so they don't even bother to play. This has happened in Japan already but on a larger scale, the west will catch up eventually.

Quote:

As of last year, 22 percent of men between the ages of 21 and 30 in the U.S. with less than a bachelor’s degree reported not working at all in the previous year—up from only 9.5 percent in 2000.

https://quillette.com/2018/12/14/video-g...g-of-life/

Good!
It will hasten the inevitable collapse, and that hopefully will be followed an American renaissance.

[loremipsum]

Can you blame them?
Food makes them lazy and lowers their testosterone, media hates them (especially if they are white).
Men are meant to build society, be tribal, and take care of their families.
Not swipe hours daily on Tinder plus to match with overweight women who think they are 10s.
Pussy is the greatest earthly motivator and if there is none.. well good luck.

Not saying these people shouldn't learn game and improve themselves, not doing so is the lazy choice.
But this is not the environment men are meant to strive either.

[Flux]

(12-19-2018 04:16 PM)loremipsum Wrote:  

Can you blame them?
Food makes them lazy and lowers their testosterone, media hates them (especially if they are white).
Men are meant to build society, be tribal, and take care of their families.
Not swipe hours daily on Tinder plus to match with overweight women who think they are 10s.
Pussy is the greatest earthly motivator and if there is none.. well good luck.

Not saying these people shouldn't learn game and improve themselves, not doing so is the lazy choice.
But this is not the environment men are meant to strive either.

A lot of these unemployed men are Blacks in gangs that hustle and rob for a living. They live life like lions and enjoy themselves before either dying or going to jail

I watched a documentary recently about lions and the similarities are striking.

Men have historically acted like lions and some still do. You just have to do it abstractly rather than psychically.

[RatInTheWoods]

Society was built on the promise to access to that special fold of skin, without that, the lights will go out.

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OY VEY~Who in the world will pay for our roads and bridges now? Go put on some more debt to get yourself credentialed further goyim.

[Dr. Chim Ritchalds]

(12-19-2018 11:53 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

Society was built on the promise to access to that special fold of skin, without that, the lights will go out.

maybe we need the lights to go out so people finally snap out of their percocet/kardashian/instagram/zog-induced comas and wake the fuck up.

[Aszhaeleos]

http://www.returnofkings.com/30503/men-a...ng-too-fat

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One way to view the epidemic is to imagine that an entire generation of young men lost their ambition, that all they wanted to do was to hang out and play video games, that they were perfectly happy in dead-end jobs, making little money, smoking weed, and looking at porn. This is a net negative, analogous to weight gain in women, for men’s dating desirability. In fact, a popular book claims such an epidemic currently exists among young men.

If this epidemic of un-ambitious young men really exists, can it be accounted for by the scarcity of slender, attractive women? Why are young men driven to achieve? Evolutionary biology hypothesizes that males pursue achievement to attract women. But if there are so few desirable women, a young male may conclude that all efforts toward self-improvement and success are futile. With so few thin women, even years of herculean effort will not provide him a reasonable chance to mate with someone highly attractive. So why bother?

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The obesity epidemic has made many women vastly less desirable romantic partners compared to most men. Fatness just doesn’t knock as many points off a man’s sexual market value as it does a woman. “The end of men” may well be a rational response to the scarcity of thin women where some men conclude it is no longer worth the effort to work hard and gain wealth in the hopes of having sex with slender, attractive women.

[Disco_Volante]

I'm not worried, nature will return and assert itself like in Venezuela. Our modern farce of a society is a temporary anomaly.

[Fortis]

Why should they work hard when the West offers men not much but massive debt and disenchantment? Sure you can make it if you hustle, but not everyone wants to spend their best years working the equivalent of three jobs. IF I were still home I'm not sure what shape i'd be in.

[Rorogue]

What's amazing is how short a period of time it's been that the motivation has dropped among men, and how quickly it's taken for the dating market to be so rigged.

I mean, I was in Law school from 07-09. Yes there were some feminist cunts there, but there was motivation for everyone except maybe the bottom 30% of men to go meet girls and do well in life. A lot of people paired up for convenience sake. If you were a decent guy who kept fit and wasn't a social retard, you could have a girlfriend who respected you.

In less than a decade it's turned on its head.
That leaves me to agree with Disco_Volante that things will return to some balance. I mean, who wins today? Both the majority of men and women seem unhappy.

[MongolianAbroad]

(12-20-2018 03:53 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

What's amazing is how short a period of time it's been that the motivation has dropped among men, and how quickly it's taken for the dating market to be so rigged.

I mean, I was in Law school from 07-09. Yes there were some feminist cunts there, but there was motivation for everyone except maybe the bottom 30% of men to go meet girls and do well in life. A lot of people paired up for convenience sake. If you were a decent guy who kept fit and wasn't a social retard, you could have a girlfriend who respected you.

Same experience.

(12-20-2018 03:53 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

In less than a decade it's turned on its head.
That leaves me to agree with Disco_Volante that things will return to some balance. I mean, who wins today? Both the majority of men and women seem unhappy.

It'll just be a lost generation.

The process seems to be accelerating, I'm not seeing any pendulum swinging back in any way. Even if it does, the women involved will be ten, twenty, thirty years older, there's no making that time back.

For some of the men, there's hope at home due to belonging to certain social groups, and some can also level up and move abroad. By and large, though, for the average man and below, they'll grab a piece of cardboard and write "I need feminism because" in desperate attempts to get pity fucks here and there.

For the women, there will be many spinsters who wish they weren't. Searches for in-vitro fertilization on Google will rise exponentially.

[britchard]

(12-19-2018 02:20 PM)Montrose Wrote:  

Men are dropping out of university, evicted by women. Women now make up two thirds of college graduates in the US and to a slightly lesser extent in most Western countries

Evicted by women? Whatever happened to the good old American spirit of making your own path?

Sure, there are many hypocritical policies enabled by the Left, but take a step back and have some perspective.

Firstly, why is a lack of men going to university a bad thing? It should be celebrated, if anything the attention should be focused on drastically reducing the numbers of both men and women attending university.

Believe me, the future Einsteins, Hawkings and Musks of this world will still go to university and become successful. The men who you say are being 'evicted' from university will actually benefit in the long run from not attending.

[AntoniusofEfa]

The trades pay much more than many white collar jobs, and that is without even owning the company.

[RatInTheWoods]

(12-21-2018 12:59 PM)AntoniusofEfa Wrote:  

The trades pay much more than many white collar jobs, and that is without even owning the company.

Yeah.

In OZ, the young blokes all got a pickup and a trade business stacking cash, while the women are still studying gender studies and accumulating a taxpayer funded interest free loan that they will never pay back.

[Cr33pin]

I contribute this skewed dating market to one thing....Social media. An I don't see forms of social media or dating apps going away so I don't see this problem ever correcting itself. (really I wanted to say the internet in general but it made more sense to say social media which is a byproduct of the internet)

I'm glad I was ahead of the curve and as a scrawny onrey youth was chatting up every girl that crossed my path....

[Kid Twist]

But cr33p, the idea of Vaknin was interesting about this, it's a compromise between what you're saying and the regeneration point; social media is a virus, and all viruses that survive are self limiting. He sees it going to 2 camps, 50/50 split of social media users vs objectors.

The way I see it, with institutional confidence at an all time low in the west, and one last market run before the biggest bubble of them all, we have about 7-12 years. I'm not sure that's good or not given my age, but if I do get that much time I'll at least be able to enjoy making it rain cash wise after all this investment I put into my career. The bad news is that I'll be that much older, so I hope to find a common ground. Get ready, you're gonna see some real shit between 2024 and 2032.

[Graft]

(12-19-2018 02:20 PM)Montrose Wrote:  

Men are dropping out of university, evicted by women. Women now make up two thirds of college graduates in the US and to a slightly lesser extent in most Western countries

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blo...ut-college

http://www.wnd.com/2017/06/anti-male-env...m-college/

The Economist ran a long paper on men dedicating their life to video games. There is plenty of evidence that men are disappearing from society. Here for example:

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc...en/488858/

See also this:

https://youtu.be/BoXQf2f2Yxo

I used to read these facts and fantasize about how easy the dating market would be as a high-earning, college educated man. I haven't seen the results play out as I've hoped.

I know a guy, 25 years old, makes around 400k working for one of the top companies in the world. He hasn't gotten laid in almost a year.

It really doesn't matter what the bottom 30%, or even 90% of men are doing when you're referencing the market for young women 7-10. Millions of men like my friend could drop out of the SMP and not make a difference.

In any major city there are plenty of guys available who have everything going for them: looks, finances, status, muscles, social circle, etc. All these guys are available to attractive women at any time.

I also see guys (presumably college educated) offering 4-10k a month to sugar baby 8's. So if you think that there is going to be some sort of "man drought" where women run out of options, think again.

Get to the top or die.

[nek]

(12-21-2018 07:44 PM)Graft Wrote:  

So if you think that there is going to be some sort of "man drought" where women run out of options, think again.

Get to the top or die.

This is the real "traditional" situation no one really talks about. Most of these guys "dropping out" would've simply been killed off in an earlier time trying to get some. The worldwide (relative) peace of the last 50 years or so is an anomaly. The natural order is a significant amount of each generation's men getting killed.

[N°6]

Men dropping out or going their own way won’t make a difference to the inflated values of Western women.

If 80% of men dropped out of the SMP, the thirst created by the remaining 20% will not only fill the void, the sight of some men succeeding in an uncompetitive market, will tempt some MGTOWs to break the strike.

The only way is to design the best type of bachelor life, which would attract women into it as a consequence.

The men paying for sugar babies quite simply have unattractive lives so women need some sort of compensation to get involved with them.

[Echovoid_52]

Confused about what a NEET actually is. I always thought they were the guys who made over 6 figures and were subsequently awarded with a life of comfort (working from home, less hours, trust fund babies some of them) Now I see that it's an acronym for anyone who's unemployed? How are some of these poor NEETS getting by? Government assistance? Living with their parents? Mooching off parents?

The story above about the guy who makes 400K but hasn't gotten laid in a year hit me hard. I suspect I'd be him if I didn't see an one escort every week. Where is a wage-slave live myself supposed to meet women when he works 50+ hours a week at a corporate office? There's nothing exciting about my day life. Women today flock to the highest bidder. They're not attracted to guys who can only grant them a life that 60K a year salary would grant and I'm far to cynical to go to some coffee meet and greet book club where some social media addicted tinder princess will just hurl subtle insults at me. That's why I throw on Judist Priest and "Breaking the Law".

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There I was completely wasted, out of work and down
All inside it's so frustrating as I drift from town to town
Feel as though nobody cares if I live or die
So I might as well begin to put some action in my life

This was my thought process. The game is indeed rigged. You make any salary below 80K and you're replaceable. To your GF, to your corporate employer etc.... You're a cog in a machine. I was at a cross roads, I had two options. I could give up, shoot myself in the head because I knew deep down the unfairness of the whole system, or I could me a sigma male and maneuver the hierarchy. I did the latter. I'm not gonna be some play by the rules corporate drone and I'm not gonna entirely drop out of society either. Do what you want, because you best believe the elites are breaking all the laws we are meant to follow. If you get caught, deal with the repercussions the best you can and keep on moving forward.

[Heuristics]

Thread title should read "Men are dropping out of society to play Fortnite".

[andy]

Good less competition and more pussy for those who still aspire.