[Shimmy]

For someone who puts in the effort for both gaming chicks and improving himself getting laid in the west is still very easy. Traveling to places aside from the culture/experiences/cheaper costs usually boils down to getting more than you would putting in the same effort. I spent 5 months living in the US this year after traveling for 3 years and while I was able to get just as many if not more bangs than any other places outside of SEA the girls personalities were not nearly as good, you have to result to more deceptive tactics, you have to work harder, and the chances of the girls lasting past a one night stand are extremely lower.

[Vladimir Poontang]

(12-12-2018 08:59 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Fit, jacked good looking guys in the west aren’t dating angry feminist cunts, at least I don’t see it here in Canada which is apparently one of the worst places in the world for men. My fit, jack friends are banging attractive women, I see fit couples at the gym all of the time where both are very good looking. Do I sometimes see a guy with an uglier girl friend, yes sure but it’s not as common as it is potrayed to be here.

You have to consider that some guys just can't be bothered trying to become one of the accepted personalities that do well in the west. And because of that, they don't do well. Sometimes they don't even try any more because they simply don't want to. It could just be a mismatch, and that person being more suited to a non western country. Likewise, someone in a non western country could be very successful at home but completely useless in the west.

I'd imagine that for those who do very well in the west, to a lot of them it would probably never even occur to them to go elsewhere.

[Shimmy]

(12-12-2018 08:10 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 08:59 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Fit, jacked good looking guys in the west aren’t dating angry feminist cunts, at least I don’t see it here in Canada which is apparently one of the worst places in the world for men. My fit, jack friends are banging attractive women, I see fit couples at the gym all of the time where both are very good looking. Do I sometimes see a guy with an uglier girl friend, yes sure but it’s not as common as it is potrayed to be here.

You have to consider that some guys just can't be bothered trying to become one of the accepted personalities that do well in the west. And because of that, they don't do well. Sometimes they don't even try any more because they simply don't want to. It could just be a mismatch, and that person being more suited to a non western country. Likewise, someone in a non western country could be very successful at home but completely useless in the west.

I'd imagine that for those who do very well in the west, to a lot of them it would probably never even occur to them to go elsewhere.

Those guys who don't get laid in the west and are not willing to make any effort don't do well anywhere, I think them doing "better" is the term you're looking for.

[Vladimir Poontang]

(12-12-2018 08:26 PM)Shimmy Wrote:  

Those guys who don't get laid in the west and are not willing to make any effort don't do well anywhere

I disagree. Some people can't do well in the west because they don't have the personality for it, and some don't want to put in the effort because they can see that it's not worth it.

Whether it's one or the other or both, it doesn't mean that they'd be unable or unwilling to make an effort elsewhere.

[BaatumMania]

This is sort of going on borderline obsession isn't it? In a country where you can rent a girl for 12 hours for $30 w/ negotiation - not sure why you're obsessing about a 240 lbs / 100 kilogram baby boomer stuffing Pinay / Thai freelancers (or sponsorship girls).

I guess the real test in 2018 is going to these Asian countries and getting sex for free without making promises like: "I will marry you" nor "I will take care of your family" (like these old men are probably saying to these women a lot).

[minorityvoice89]

The days when a foreigner would show up and drive the women crazy are long gone....

Those days are dead like the dinosaurs. Social media, dating sites, dating apps, cheaper flights, and globalization have changed that. Places like Medellin and Kiev are prime examples.

So whats the solution? You gotta go deeper. Learn a foreign language and visit 2nd tier/3rd tier cities.

Sure Medellin, and Bogota may have a lot of tourists. What about Bucaramanga? Make the effort to go above and beyond the average horny tourist.

Another word of advice, since women's standards globally are going up. Make sure you looks max and raise your SMV to its highest possible potential.

That can offset the male competition when it comes to competing with other love tourists, gringos, and local men. You may not even need to visit 2nd tier cities or learn a foreign language. That's the power of sexual market value.

So the original question, has any place become better in regards to love tourism?

I would say small town's, and cities globally are better for using dating apps, dating sites, and social media (Instagram).
It can make life a lot easier when it comes to picking up and meeting women.

[Green-On-GO]

(12-12-2018 08:59 AM)scotian Wrote:  

Fit, jacked good looking guys in the west aren’t dating angry feminist cunts, at least I don’t see it here in Canada which is apparently one of the worst places in the world for men. My fit, jack friends are banging attractive women, I see fit couples at the gym all of the time where both are very good looking. Do I sometimes see a guy with an uglier girl friend, yes sure but it’s not as common as it is potrayed to be here.

Mate err you ever heard of Australia..I see it alot in Melbourne.I see it at the gym the most .Jacked dude with his fake ,fat arse, active wear wearing, with make up thicker than the armour on a M1 Abrams tank GF..I don't see that in Europe mind you..
In fact Ive heard my fellow countrymen complain American guys always have a chick better looking than them.
Aussie men believe they have to be the pretty one it seems.

As for Instagram I've seen chicks that look awesome on IG that look shit in real life..I've seen it so many times I don't bother with the shit..Its all bullshit..

Nothing beats IRL for seeing beauty..I know dudes who are banging the false picture on Tinder as opposed to the woman in front of them .Or missing out on the woman in front of them because they are looking at the phone at fake pics.

Love Tourism will always be a thing whether it's you going to another city in your country or overseas.As long as you go where your look, style, game etc resonates..

I knew guys that got laid in Oz all the time until they went overseas and they got nothing cause those Aussie sub comms did not work on the locals.All they fucked overseas were other Aussie girls on the Contiki tour.

And guys who got nothing in Oz but who killed it overseas.
The saying that if you can't get laid at home you won't get laid overseas is false in my opinion

Take Yank Jerky boy alphas I've seen those guys fall flat on their face in Oz and West EU .Where local chicks are disgusted and turned off by them .Meanwhile the humble Yank kills it..

Some guys are calibrated by default to other countries and cultures..Some guys just to local conditions.Some dudes can tweek their game to the location..No way can I act the same way I do while in the US compared to EU.And I have to change up when I get back home..

Soccer is played different world wide different styles ,different national characteristics I think love tourism is the same.

The issue is dudes want to fly in somewhere and say look at me I'm top shit, I'm rich ,I'm from Australia or America etc.
I'm special I don't need game ,style or calibration so fuck me now...

I'm still trying to figure out how guys gaming in pigeon English find these local chicks in the 3rd World who are great to talk too and have great personalities..Fuck me I can't understand what the chick is talking about past a SNL let alone a LTR.

[BaatumMania]

Yes I spent time in 2nd / 3rd tier Korea and met many women. Meanwhile guys who only spent time in Itaewon and Gangnam (1st tier places) complained about being incels.

Taipei's case I got flags but none wanted to stick around for a casual sex relationship. I wonder if my odds will improve when I move to Tainan and then to the distant suburbs Kaohsiung (which shouldn't have any foreigners because it's not around anything famous or important).

[Seth_Rose]

We should start treating Poosy Paradises like international markets. There’d be developed, emerging and frontier markets for getting laid.

“Analysts on the RVF have identified that Myanmarhas potential to become an emerging market for love tourists by 2022 based on recent data sets and key trends from social media and dating apps.”

[pancakemouse]

(12-12-2018 03:35 AM)Tiger Man Wrote:  

I think the future of "love tourism" may, regrettably or not, be a sort of domestic tourism. My recent experiences have caused me to consider that some quality talent is being overlooked and ignored in the flyover states and badlands of The West. Why fly to Thailand, when you can game girls in St. George, Utah? Of course, that would require a level of insight that I think a lot of "love tourists" (not guys on the forum) lack.

I actually completely agree with this. College towns in the US are absolute gold. I personally prefer American girls to any other nationality, and I'm planning to do a US Game road trip at some point.

[Cyclone]

(12-12-2018 08:52 PM)minorityvoice89 Wrote:  

So whats the solution? You gotta go deeper. Learn a foreign language and visit 2nd tier/3rd tier cities.

Sure Medellin, and Bogota may have a lot of tourists. What about Bucaramanga? Make the effort to go above and beyond the average horny tourist.

The problem with this is going into 3rd tier cities the women are far more conservative, it's not in their "culture" to hook up with foreign dudes. I would argue that hanging out in the outskirts of a 5 million+ person metropolitan city is a far better deal than going to a crappier town of 1 million people. And the jump to 3rd-tier cities is happening way to fast to outweigh the effects of social media.

And learn an entirely new language just to do it? That is coming from a low place, dude ..
.

[JimBobsCooters]

(12-12-2018 08:37 PM)Vladimir Poontang Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 08:26 PM)Shimmy Wrote:  

Those guys who don't get laid in the west and are not willing to make any effort don't do well anywhere

I disagree. Some people can't do well in the west because they don't have the personality for it, and some don't want to put in the effort because they can see that it's not worth it.

Whether it's one or the other or both, it doesn't mean that they'd be unable or unwilling to make an effort elsewhere.

Some people have looks that don't work well in the west as well but are desired elsewhere. For example, at 6' in Australia that'a solid -1 with most girls whilst in say Colombia it would be a solid +1 with most girls. Plenty of other physical traits also apply to this, be it skin colour, eye colour, build, hair or whatever.

I think traveling is one of the best ways of increasing your value. As someone over 30, you really notice the "discrimination" against that number from girls that are under 25 in western countries. There is a real stigma forced upon society that an age gap is creepy and that there must be something wrong with the girl (daddy issues) and the man (creepy pedo). Going to countries where this isn't the social norm is a massive game changer. If you can combo that with countries where your look is more desirable, then that's an added bonus.

Plus, not all markets are created equal. I can compete with 8s and 9s for 5s and 6s in Australia or I can go to say Russia and reverse that equation, why stay locked in a bad market if you can expand into a better one?

It's really just a smart business decision. Would you release a product in a smaller saturated market that has a pre-conceived notion that your product is lower quality or would you release it in a market that values your product and has far less competition and more buyers?

[bodychariot]

In my experience the "second city" of a country have much more friendlier approachable girls for travelers. For example Osaka compared to Tokyo, Odessa comparied to Kiev etc

[Vladimir Poontang]

(12-12-2018 11:17 PM)Seth_Rose Wrote:  

We should start treating Poosy Paradises like international markets. There’d be developed, emerging and frontier markets for getting laid.

“Analysts on the RVF have identified that Myanmarhas potential to become an emerging market for love tourists by 2022 based on recent data sets and key trends from social media and dating apps.”

[Poo Poo Pumper]

The ones with the best exchange rates.

Russia and Argentina baby.

You can bang girls for a box of chocolates or a nylons.

[Shemp]

delete

[Tiger Man]

(12-13-2018 12:58 AM)corsega Wrote:  

(12-12-2018 03:35 AM)Tiger Man Wrote:  

I think the future of "love tourism" may, regrettably or not, be a sort of domestic tourism. My recent experiences have caused me to consider that some quality talent is being overlooked and ignored in the flyover states and badlands of The West. Why fly to Thailand, when you can game girls in St. George, Utah? Of course, that would require a level of insight that I think a lot of "love tourists" (not guys on the forum) lack.

I actually completely agree with this. College towns in the US are absolute gold. I personally prefer American girls to any other nationality, and I'm planning to do a US Game road trip at some point.

(12-13-2018 07:44 AM)bodychariot Wrote:  

In my experience the "second city" of a country have much more friendlier approachable girls for travelers. For example Osaka compared to Tokyo, Odessa comparied to Kiev etc

I would generally agree and I have heard from many guys more in to game than I am that 2nd tier cities in places like Eastern Europe are the only way to go.

With that said, I will double down on the potential in Western nth tier cities for things like LTRs and mini-LTRs (if you are a Westerner). A big difference I have noticed between foreign boonies girls and domestic boonies girls is that the foreign ones want to relocate far more often than the domestic ones. If you are gaming in a highly developed country like Japan, your mileage may vary. But, if you are gaming "country girls" in South America and South East Asia, you are way more likely to encounter green card fisher(wo)men. In small (as corsega said) college towns in America, you will encounter enough girls in the 5-8 (natural) range that just want to stay put. That, in my opinion, is a major green flag for any girl you are looking to keep around for more than a bang.

[RespectivePerspective]

For the whole of my traveling life, I seem to have always had the best luck with women from countries that we were once at war with. Tons of positive stories about the obvious ones for those from the US. Japan, Vietnam, Russia (a cold war, but same principles apply) are all places I’ve had some great memories with the girls I’ve met. I have a suspicion that something like a war somehow leaves this lingering tension that makes you more attractive to the local women. Almost like an irresistible curiosity toward this stranger of the “enemy”, as they were taught in school. I don’t know how better to describe it, but there’s some real electricity to it that I find exciting.

Problem is, I think this effect diminishes over time, and the more the opposing cultures come into contact with each other. In this current year, I think such times have mostly passed with respects to Japan, Vietnam, China, and many of the rest. Just an inevitability, I suppose. It doesn’t quite have me praying for war, but I’m damn close.

For Caucasian women, I don’t see any good long term options after Russia. Granted, Russia is far from easy, especially if you’re from the West. The struggle I’ve had with Russian women is hooking their attention long enough to assure her interest level is firmly in your control. They’ve mostly been simpletons who are more amused by cat videos than talking about brainy ? subjects, but their survival instincts are deceptively sharp and cannot be underestimated if you value keeping her around long enough to have children and do all that.

So, I had my humility tested pretty thoroughly, but I really like how Russian girls seem to completely relax without as much shit testing en route to the bang from the moment you finally get passed their stoic standoffishness. But once you break the ice, it’s pretty much downhill from there until you bang them; and then it begins to get exceedingly difficult again.

Elsewhere, I really have my eye on Iran ??. They look pretty White to me, although It could also be some extravagant photo manipulation that I see. I also have concerns about any fathers, brothers, etc that might want to honour kill me for being more of the Christian faith. But I really believe that as soon as the diplomatic situation reaches some postive milestones, it would be wise to get over there asap. While Anglo nations are allowed to enter Iran now, you have to have the state sponsored baby sitter follow you around 24 hours a day, unfortunately. I find that highly uncomfortable, so I think I’ll wait . But I have no idea as to a timeframe to expect. It’s a pretty unpredictable situation.

Same for North Korea. Might be great the moment the floodgates open, so I would suggest getting in quick as soon as our safety can be better guaranteed when we go there and corrupt their beautiful women.

[diego69]

No country is getting better today IMO, there are only places than getting worse more slowly (2nd/3rd tiers, more remote etc.)
It is sad to say and not at all wishful thinking but only wars/disasters and as such a lack of males will improve the situation for love tourists.
Economy is not at all strong factor as in the past, as even in poor countries girls understand what they can get with their look and money is not the only thing, for example Ukraine- The student waitress earns maybe 150$ a month, even if she knows that you earn 5000$ a month it is not easy to get her (I am talking about standard normal girl on the range of 6.5-7.5)

[Waqqle]

If by “better” you mean that it is easier for a random foreigner to get laid several times within a short vacation period after which he/she will return to their home country:

Any formerly sexually conservative and traditional society (just enough to still have fit and feminine women) which is currently being globalized and having their traditional morals degraded (just enough for said women to be sexually loose and for the stigma against them being so to be less than in the past) but which are still poor enough so as to keep the cost of impressing and/or paying for women (or men) there down to a low enough level that men (or women - a lot of old white women in Africa) from other countries further along in the process but not yet totally financially bankrupted by it yet can afford to have several of them during a short holiday period.

[Vladimir Poontang]

(12-17-2018 01:55 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

Any formerly sexually conservative and traditional society (just enough to still have fit and feminine women) which is currently being globalized and having their traditional morals degraded (just enough for said women to be sexually loose and for the stigma against them being so to be less than in the past) but which are still poor enough so as to keep the cost of impressing and/or paying for women (or men) there down to a low enough level that men (or women - a lot of old white women in Africa) from other countries further along in the process but not yet totally financially bankrupted by it yet can afford to have several of them during a short holiday period.

That's surely the longest sentence I've ever read.

[NoMoreTO]

Iran: I would agree that Iran could be a boom if the theocracy somehow folds or loosens its grip. The women crave modernity and are very focussed on being beautiful. It is the nose job capital of the world for a reason. To me the Persian accent is extremely beautiful and feminine, the language is very calm unlike Arabic which I find more choppy and aggressive. I think the political system is maintaining a control over the women which if removed would reverse very quickly. The Persian women I have met in Western Countries who have gone bad are very materialistic, feminist, self centred, and superficial. So I can understand how they would want to protect their culture. Perhaps the best you could do would be to get one of these girls fresh off the boat in your own city.

In terms of the supply and demand, getting laid in the west vs. in another country. To me the difference is culture. Foreign women cater to their man more, they are usually more feminine and are down to earth (No SJWs). On the downside the logistics are ridiculous and learning a new language is not an easy task at all.

[Waqqle]

In Shia countries and regions, maybe you could do nikah mut’ah (“pleasure marriage”). It seems to usually be done as a way to engage in prostitution and for people who just want to bang without having the hammer come down on them for having non-marital sex, which is illegal in most of the Islamic world. Pleasure marriages can last for as little as an hour from what I understand. Of course, tod do this I think you have to be Muslim yourself and probably specifically a Shia muslim.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_mut%27ah

[Vladimir Poontang]

(12-17-2018 04:38 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

Pleasure marriages can last for as little as an hour from what I understand. Of course, tod do this I think you have to be Muslim yourself and probably specifically a Shia muslim.

I bear witness that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is the prophet of Allah.

[LatinaLova]

As others have said, no country is becoming better. You gotta think outside the box. Go to cities no one is talking about to boost your exotic factor. If you see several datasheets on the forum, don't go
If you follow the crowd, you'll get the same results as the crowd!