[for.petes.sake]

(12-08-2018 09:40 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

This is incredible - there was contact between ancients Greek and Chinese civilisations:

War of the Heavenly Horses

Quote:

The War of the Heavenly Horses was a military conflict fought between the forces of the Han Empire and the Kingdom of Dayuan in about 104–101 BC. The Emperor Wu of Han had received reports of the tall and powerful horses ("heavenly horses") in the possession of the Dayuan, which were of capital importance to fight the nomad Xiongnu. The refusal of the Dayuan to offer them enough horses along with a series of conflicts and mutual disrespect resulted in the death of the Chinese ambassador and the confiscation of the gold sent as payment for the horses.

In response, the Emperor sent out Li Guangli, the brother of his favorite concubine, with 6,000 horsemen and 20,000 infantry soldiers.[1] Li's army had to cross the Taklamakan Desert and his supplies soon ran out. After a gruesome march of over 1,000 miles he finally arrived to the country of Dayuan, but what remained of his army was exhausted and starving.[1] Li lost many men along the way in petty fights with local rulers. After a severe defeat at a place called Yucheng, Li concluded that he was not strong enough to take the enemy capital and therefore returned to Dunhuang about 102 BC.

Emperor Wu responded by giving Li Guangli a much larger army along with a huge number of oxen, donkeys and camels to carry supplies. With this force he had no difficulty reaching Khujand (called Ershi 貳師 by the Chinese), the Dayuan capital. He lost half his army during the march,[1] but after a 40-day siege the Chinese had broken through the outer wall and cut off the water supply. The nobles of Ershi killed their king and sent his head to Li Guangli, offering the Chinese all the horses they wanted. Li accepted the offer, appointed one of the nobles to be the new king and withdrew with a tribute of 3,000 horses.[1] On his return journey all the petty states accepted Chinese sovereignty. He reached the Jade Gate about 100 BC with 10,000 men and 1,000 horses.

Who are the Dayuan?

Quote:

Dayuan (Ta-yuan; Old Chinese reconstructed pronunciation: /dhaːts ʔwan/; Middle Chinese reconstructed pronunciation according to Edwin G. Pulleyblank: /daj ʔuan/; Chinese: 大宛; pinyin: Dàyuān; Wade–Giles: Ta4-yuan1; literally: "Great Ionians") was a country in Ferghana valley in Central Asia, described in the Chinese historical works of Records of the Grand Historian and the Book of Han. It is mentioned in the accounts of the famous Chinese explorer Zhang Qian in 130 BCE and the numerous embassies that followed him into Central Asia. The country of Dayuan is generally accepted as relating to the Ferghana Valley, and its Greek city Alexandria Eschate (modern Khujand, Tajikistan).

These Chinese accounts describe the Dayuan as urbanized dwellers with Caucasian features, living in walled cities and having "customs identical to those of the Greco-Bactrians", a Hellenistic kingdom that was ruling Bactria at that time in today's northern Afghanistan. The Dayuan are also described as manufacturers and great lovers of wine.[1]

The Dayuan were probably the descendants of the Greek colonists that were settled by Alexander the Great in Ferghana in 329 BCE (see Alexandria Eschate), and prospered within the Hellenistic realm of the Seleucids and Greco-Bactrians, until they were isolated by the migrations of the Yuezhi around 160 BCE. It appears that the name "Yuan" was simply a transliteration of Sanskrit Yavana or Pali Yona, used throughout antiquity in Asia to designate Greeks ("Ionians"), so that Dayuan would mean "Great Ionians".

Characters for Dayuan, associating the character for "Great", and a character originally depicting two persons seated under one roof, but used for its sound value here. It is pronounced "yuan" instead of the more usual "wan".

The interaction between the Dayuan and the Chinese is historically crucial, since it represents one of the first major contacts between an urbanized Western civilization and the Chinese civilization, opening the way to the formation of the Silk Road that was to link the East and the West in material and cultural exchange from the 1st century BCE to the 15th century.

Yup and this relates to my earlier post (about the silk road) on why Europeans dominated the world.

[Kona]

(12-09-2018 11:18 AM)Thot Leader Wrote:  

(12-09-2018 10:13 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 05:26 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(12-06-2018 04:09 PM)Kona Wrote:  

First off, whatever you used to translate what I said sucks.

Second, here's the exact same argument. Your support for white pride has just as much to do with the fact, if not more, that other groups have their own pride. "Hey they got black pride, well that's not fair!" If you want to have pride, have it. Pride in yourself should have nothing to do with anybody else.

And yeah, the white man has lost some identity over the last few years. That's his fault. No reason there to lash out at other groups that haven't.

Maybe the definition of PRIDE is what people aren't understanding.

Either way, I hope all of you have a nice day.

Aloha!

(12-06-2018 04:42 PM)Kona Wrote:  

Aw dude come on...

Look at the history of what white pride groups have done in the United States in the last 50 years. Gimme a break. The cries of xenophobia or whatever are your own damn fault. Have any white pride organizations ever caused any headaches for any groups of non whites? And again, look at how much this talk of white pride actually involves other groups. Read what you yourself are writing.

Look, here's the German Club of Hawaii: http://www.germanclubhawaii.com/

Now are they white supremacists, absolutely not. They want to get together and dance around in October. They want to celebrate their heritage. Great. The second they say "and fuck those other guys" then there's a problem. But they don't because they are too busy preserving their own identity.

Aloha!

Disclaimer: This is the first and probably last time I'll give out two posts of the day at once.

In a single fell swoop you have recklessly abused market values and diminished the value of the day by 50%.

It's exactly this kind of short-sighted cut-and-run mentality among immigrants that is causing the Western decline.

Also, Kona proudly describes himself as "polynesian", which literally means "of many islands", meaning it consists of many smaller nations claiming a single, distinct racial identity, yet he went into great detail about why white Americans shouldn't do same. Calling this nonsense "post of the day" is an assault on basic logic.

You ladies are jealous because a minority got two posts of the day on the same actual day. Just go ahead and blame it on affirmative action, you'll feel better.

I never said white people shouldn't get together and be proud of their whiteness, I clearly said they should focus on just being proud of themselves.

No one is able to name a white pride organization that focuses completely on white pride without attacking other racial groups. In fact, one guy says that's impossible. Let's all admit the whole idea of it maybe needs to be rethought.

Aloha!

[Aszhaeleos]

Any exclusively white group that focuses on white European interests is attacked and de-platformed as a 'hate' group.

There are numerous powerful Jewish lobby groups and many exclusive non-white groups that are allowed to promote their own interests freely.

Why are you being so obtuse with this? Why are you and your buddies derailing this thread?

[66Scorpio]

@nomadbrah

I did say "modern" civilization. Animal power allows people to harness more energy and wealth. It aids in construction and agriculture. Access to iron would be another factor, never mind gunpowder.

[TigerMandingo]

Personally I think ethnic pride is stupid. It's wrong regardless if it's blacks doing it, Jews, Asians, whites, or whoever.

You should be proud of your own personal achievements in life. Not some genetic accident.

[pk9090]

(12-09-2018 09:41 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Personally I think ethnic pride is stupid. It's wrong regardless if it's blacks doing it, Jews, Asians, whites, or whoever.

You should be proud of your own personal achievements in life. Not some genetic accident.

End of discussion, you said it all.

Although the big thing here is to understand if the Neanderthal gene is special or not, I tend to believe its not as important as we think.

[Cobra]

(12-09-2018 04:18 PM)Aszhaeleos Wrote:  

Unbelievable that some feel entitled to control forum discourse because they formed a clique or hold greater easily manipulated forum cred numbers.

Such forum culture is very vulnerable to subversion by organized shills.

Yes, there's a clique. As a matter of fact there are many cliques. There are a clique of race trolls that want to manipulate the racial discourse by shutting out anyone that may dissent.

Then there are those that have not only shown their face like men in public and proven themselves to be solid.

You will go a much longer way here if you choose your associations wisely REGARDLESS of race.

[Trumpian]

(12-09-2018 03:00 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

^And proves my point.

You cared about forum cred just 24 hours ago or so and even mentioned some specific members you may have met to allude that you did.

However, now that I questioned you, now you don't care at all and it's turned childish. Got it.

Nah, you suggested that I hadn't met up with anybody so I corrected you. I don't think meetups affect my credibility one way or the other. My ideas standalone. You've shown yourself incapable of debating them, hence the focus on rep points. It's all you got.

[Sherman]

Some anthropologists claim that the Neanderthals could not have developed language because they still didn't have an anatomically correct voice box. And they did loose out to the Homo Sapiens. They were an evolutionary dead end. However, they could have contributed to the bigger size of the Northern Europeans. However, the European tribes wouldn't organize into big groups, so the smaller, but well organized Romans defeated them. Vercingetorix was the first leader to organize them but it was too little too late. Aristotle said the Europeans were independent, but not rational, the East was rational, but lived as slaves, and only the Greeks were both independent and rational.

[Cobra]

(12-09-2018 09:41 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Personally I think ethnic pride is stupid. It's wrong regardless if it's blacks doing it, Jews, Asians, whites, or whoever.

You should be proud of your own personal achievements in life. Not some genetic accident.

Very underrated point. I believe Comte. St. Germaine made a related post regarding responsibility. Something along the lines of:

"....If your ancestors were as capable as you say, it gives you responsibility to carry on their successes, not entitle yourself to them on the internet...."

Sadly we don't have responsible warriors and ended up with keyboard warriors instead.

[Cobra]

Duplicate/Delete

[Pride male]

Has anyone heard of Lloyd Pye? He is another one who discredits human evolution and talks about space aliens.

[Trumpian]

(12-09-2018 09:41 PM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

Personally I think ethnic pride is stupid. It's wrong regardless if it's blacks doing it, Jews, Asians, whites, or whoever.

You should be proud of your own personal achievements in life. Not some genetic accident.

Your personal achievements were only made possible by the blood, tears and toil of your forebearers.

You drive on freeways you didn't build. You post on this forum because other (white) men built the internet. You breathe air today because your ancestors had the collective strength to fight off hostile tribes who would have seen their lineage ended.

If you want to embrace the lolbertarian idea that you did it all on your own boyo, that's your prerogative. But for those of us who live outside the poorly written pages of Atlas Shrugged, we show our forebearers some respect.

[HornyRamone]

(12-10-2018 02:51 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

Has anyone heard of Lloyd Pye? He is another one who discredits human evolution and talks about space aliens.

Anyone who denies evolution does so because they're so wound up with the Equality Cult that they absolutely must deny that human groups differ from one another with their own strengths and weaknesses, lest their little religion is buried in the history pages of defunct and failed ideas where it belongs.

[TigerMandingo]

(12-10-2018 04:26 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

Your personal achievements were only made possible by the blood, tears and toil of your forebearers.

I'm with you, brother. I don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging that your ancestors helped build the modern world. I think where people have a problem is when it turns from acknowledgment into open chest-thumping and displays of superiority. Surely you can understand how that can get on someone's nerves. I'm against black pride, Puerto Rican pride, Jew pride, whatever. Don't care.

[ilostabet]

Quote:

Anyone who denies evolution does so because they're so wound up with the Equality Cult that they absolutely must deny that human groups differ from one another with their own strengths and weaknesses, lest their little religion is buried in the history pages of defunct and failed ideas where it belongs.

Roosh has an interesting article on evolution.

Not everyone who denies evolution is an egalitarian - and also, given it's implied in your post, Christianity is also not egalitarian.

[pk9090]

(12-09-2018 10:13 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

Some anthropologists claim that the Neanderthals could not have developed language because they still didn't have an anatomically correct voice box. And they did loose out to the Homo Sapiens. They were an evolutionary dead end. However, they could have contributed to the bigger size of the Northern Europeans. However, the European tribes wouldn't organize into big groups, so the smaller, but well organized Romans defeated them. Vercingetorix was the first leader to organize them but it was too little too late. Aristotle said the Europeans were independent, but not rational, the East was rational, but lived as slaves, and only the Greeks were both independent and rational.

You are mixing concepts. Italians have more neanderthal blood than northern Europeans, the Gauls weren't northern euroeans in the germanic sense of the word, but celts.

[nomadbrah]

Keep pushing and this guy is going to be the default white man:

[url=https://twitter.com/aalanasir/status/1071689527943720960][/url]

[Trumpian]

(12-10-2018 08:24 AM)TigerMandingo Wrote:  

(12-10-2018 04:26 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

Your personal achievements were only made possible by the blood, tears and toil of your forebearers.

I'm with you, brother. I don't think there's anything wrong with acknowledging that your ancestors helped build the modern world. I think where people have a problem is when it turns from acknowledgment into open chest-thumping and displays of superiority. Surely you can understand how that can get on someone's nerves. I'm against black pride, Puerto Rican pride, Jew pride, whatever. Don't care.

To have pride in one's heritage is to say its worth preserving.

Objectively, I'd say European civilization is superior to the rest of the world in a multitude of areas. That's why standup Indian fellows like Cobra immigrate here.

I see how such claims can get on someone's nerves, but then again I don't see such people returning to the motherland either.

Fact is my views are very moderate compared to really anywhere else the world, where hardcore ethnic nationalism is the norm.

The question then remains how many immigrants can we absorb before the defining qualities of our civilization begin to vanish. Rome for example eventually became a vassal state of the goths. It didn't happen overnight. They let more, and more tribes in over a few centuries. Slowly boiling frog syndrome..

That immigration debate doesn't begin with policy, it begins with identity. An identity we haven't even been allowed to have. Pride in being American = ok. Pride in being black, hispanic, polynesian = ok. White Pride = shut it down lol.

The shadow banning of white identitarianism was done very intentionally. As was the creation of an entirely fake opposition (conservatives) who weren't conserving the thing that mattered most.

[MongolianAbroad]

(12-11-2018 12:57 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

Objectively, I'd say European civilization is superior to the rest of the world in a multitude of areas. That's why standup Indian fellows like Cobra immigrate here.

That's cool dude, you're like that dullard that everyone regrets inviting to the dinner party.

Carry on, hopefully you'll vomit and pass out soon.

[Trumpian]

(12-11-2018 01:03 AM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 12:57 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

Objectively, I'd say European civilization is superior to the rest of the world in a multitude of areas. That's why standup Indian fellows like Cobra immigrate here.

That's cool dude, you're like that dullard that everyone regrets inviting to the dinner party.

Carry on, hopefully you'll vomit and pass out soon.

If you're bored, then leave. This is my dinner party boyo.

[Aszhaeleos]

So basically

Right, got it. Back to revering diversity and hating ourselves.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(12-11-2018 12:57 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

...
That immigration debate doesn't begin with policy, it begins with identity. An identity we haven't even been allowed to have. Pride in being American = ok. Pride in being black, hispanic, polynesian = ok. White Pride = shut it down lol.
...

I get your frustrations. I really do. But the internet is not a coffee-club-card where you get your millionth complaint punched and suddenly the immigrants and minorities are required to get with the program or piss off.

When non-whites say "deal with your own shit, don't complain about us" that's a legitimate criticism. They may not grasp the repercussions of white folk following through on that demand, but that's the way it has to be. We can't even bring a full third of whites to the table, and we've failed to keep half of our women collared. What is the point of wasting a single breath or keystroke trying to convince non-whites to...

...well

...what are you even trying to convince them to do?

Vote for another white "conservative" faggot that does nothing to stop the flood of brown people anyway?

What do you want Kona to do? What do you want Cobra to do? Start butchering their co-ethnics to set the civilisational scales back to viability?

Anyway, lets go back to "allowed".

Bro, dominance is the will to power plus the means to power. The first one grows in the mind. The second one grows in the meatspace.

So the question becomes, who are you asking if you're allowed to have pride in your race? Twitter is not a human right. Youtube is not a human right. Having a tax-deductable racially oriented charity is not a human right. Want to get down to the nuts and bolts? There are no human rights that are not inevitably end-user enforced at the barrel of a gun.

Does God provide the supposed human right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to the Chinese drones or the African farmers in militia country? Fuck no.

All the rights and social obligations you came to believe are fundamental to your existence are purely a figment of your imagination, albeit with the help of your friendly nationalist brainwashers.

The sooner you accept that those days are over (and for some people never really existed at all) the sooner you can work on that will to power after which you can work on that means to power. Life and the universe don't accept bitching about the other team cheating as a strategy for surviving and thriving. Note the last 50 years of American politics in particular. Cheating works, and if you're not willing to cheat or kill the cheats then all the bitching in the world is not going to save your ass.

The days of polite debate are over. They've been over for a decade or more. Arguably they've been a running in-joke of the elites for a hundred years or more. The future of your children is not going to be won in a pissing contest on the internet. So here's what you do.

You move your ass to white-ville, you bust your ass to keep white-ville white, and you sack up and gun up and do your PT and encourage others to do likewise, because this fuckfest is inevitably going to turn into a dumpster fire and that's the good news.

Can't be honest and keep a job? Start a small business like your life depends on it, and it may well. Can't be honest and live in the city? Move to the sticks and suck up the loss of creature comforts. Jews hire only Jews? You do the same. Blacks hire only blacks? You do the same. Have to drive an extra ten miles to a new dentist because the old one wears a funny little hat? Suck it up. The world doesn't owe you or your state or your country or your race a free ride into perpetuity because of the shit your forefathers did. It would be like me bitching that the weeds in my garden started growing back after I poisoned them off 6 months ago. You lose your balls? Someone with balls takes over. This is the history of life and the world. It doesn't change by complaining on the internet.

So don't hold your breath waiting for the Jews to tell you you'reallowed to speak out against their trickery. Make yourself anti-fragile and do it anyway. Don't hold your breath waiting for the blacks to tell you you're allowed to stop funding their ridiculous level of father-absenteeism. Find a way to dodge your taxes and be charitable to your own people instead.

What you seem to want is to be able to redeem your "white civilisation" coupons for a comfy life free of struggle and danger.

Sorry, bro. The boomers used all those coupons up. You get to live through the death of the US and the likely violent dissolution of same if you're lucky, and no amount of complaining on the internet is going to change that.

Immigrants and minorities tell you "clean your own doorstep"? Go find a nominally clean doorstep and keep it that way. Buy a gun and a treadmill. Start using both religiously and compelling others to do likewise.

I can assure you it's a lot more fulfilling and effective than bitching on the internet.

[HornyRamone]

(12-10-2018 11:50 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  

Quote:

Anyone who denies evolution does so because they're so wound up with the Equality Cult that they absolutely must deny that human groups differ from one another with their own strengths and weaknesses, lest their little religion is buried in the history pages of defunct and failed ideas where it belongs.

Roosh has an interesting article on evolution.

Not everyone who denies evolution is an egalitarian - and also, given it's implied in your post, Christianity is also not egalitarian.

Roosh doesn't deny evolution completely in the article. He specifically argues that evolution doesn't apply to modernity because the best people, measured by intelligence and success, are breeding less than dysfunctional people. He's basically expanding the argument made by Idiocracy.

On one hand, not every Christian accepts the Bible in a literal sense. On the other hand, Christianity became egalitarian in the modern (egalitarian) age.

[Aszhaeleos]

(12-11-2018 05:20 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 12:57 AM)Trumpian Wrote:  

...
That immigration debate doesn't begin with policy, it begins with identity. An identity we haven't even been allowed to have. Pride in being American = ok. Pride in being black, hispanic, polynesian = ok. White Pride = shut it down lol.
...

I get your frustrations. I really do. But the internet is not a coffee-club-card where you get your millionth complaint punched and suddenly the immigrants and minorities are required to get with the program or piss off.

When non-whites say "deal with your own shit, don't complain about us" that's a legitimate criticism. They may not grasp the repercussions of white folk following through on that demand, but that's the way it has to be. We can't even bring a full third of whites to the table, and we've failed to keep half of our women collared. What is the point of wasting a single breath or keystroke trying to convince non-whites to...

...well

...what are you even trying to convince them to do?

Vote for another white "conservative" faggot that does nothing to stop the flood of brown people anyway?

What do you want Kona to do? What do you want Cobra to do? Start butchering their co-ethnics to set the civilisational scales back to viability?

Anyway, lets go back to "allowed".

Bro, dominance is the will to power plus the means to power. The first one grows in the mind. The second one grows in the meatspace.

So the question becomes, who are you asking if you're allowed to have pride in your race? Twitter is not a human right. Youtube is not a human right. Having a tax-deductable racially oriented charity is not a human right. Want to get down to the nuts and bolts? There are no human rights that are not inevitably end-user enforced at the barrel of a gun.

Does God provide the supposed human right of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness to the Chinese drones or the African farmers in militia country? Fuck no.

All the rights and social obligations you came to believe are fundamental to your existence are purely a figment of your imagination, albeit with the help of your friendly nationalist brainwashers.

The sooner you accept that those days are over (and for some people never really existed at all) the sooner you can work on that will to power after which you can work on that means to power. Life and the universe don't accept bitching about the other team cheating as a strategy for surviving and thriving. Note the last 50 years of American politics in particular. Cheating works, and if you're not willing to cheat or kill the cheats then all the bitching in the world is not going to save your ass.

The days of polite debate are over. They've been over for a decade or more. Arguably they've been a running in-joke of the elites for a hundred years or more. The future of your children is not going to be won in a pissing contest on the internet. So here's what you do.

You move your ass to white-ville, you bust your ass to keep white-ville white, and you sack up and gun up and do your PT and encourage others to do likewise, because this fuckfest is inevitably going to turn into a dumpster fire and that's the good news.

Can't be honest and keep a job? Start a small business like your life depends on it, and it may well. Can't be honest and live in the city? Move to the sticks and suck up the loss of creature comforts. Jews hire only Jews? You do the same. Blacks hire only blacks? You do the same. Have to drive an extra ten miles to a new dentist because the old one wears a funny little hat? Suck it up. The world doesn't owe you or your state or your country or your race a free ride into perpetuity because of the shit your forefathers did. It would be like me bitching that the weeds in my garden started growing back after I poisoned them off 6 months ago. You lose your balls? Someone with balls takes over. This is the history of life and the world. It doesn't change by complaining on the internet.

So don't hold your breath waiting for the Jews to tell you you'reallowed to speak out against their trickery. Make yourself anti-fragile and do it anyway. Don't hold your breath waiting for the blacks to tell you you're allowed to stop funding their ridiculous level of father-absenteeism. Find a way to dodge your taxes and be charitable to your own people instead.

What you seem to want is to be able to redeem your "white civilisation" coupons for a comfy life free of struggle and danger.

Sorry, bro. The boomers used all those coupons up. You get to live through the death of the US and the likely violent dissolution of same if you're lucky, and no amount of complaining on the internet is going to change that.

Immigrants and minorities tell you "clean your own doorstep"? Go find a nominally clean doorstep and keep it that way. Buy a gun and a treadmill. Start using both religiously and compelling others to do likewise.

I can assure you it's a lot more fulfilling and effective than bitching on the internet.

Ok Leonard, Youre right that time for action and less talk is now. But Lets say I go Rambo and move to the sticks. What will it achieve without a community or collective force of people with the same mindset.

>95% of white folk simply have no idea what the fuck is up, the levels of deception and need a red-pill education. How are they to be 'woke' if people don't start bitching about it and keep to themselves instead?

The whole be an individual mantra has been pushed by the elite because they know at an individual level no one can do shit and the status quo remains.