[Fortis]

One thing to remember is that I live in Asia where there is nothing wrong with being 10 years older than your GF. If I lived in USA, I'd probably have to settle for the 23-26-year-old range.

[Jack Gignac]

there is something to be said though about backwards rationalization.

eg) if a girl isn't that attracted to you she will cite age to disqualify you but if attraction is high she'll make up some bullshit like 'i want a man not a boy' etc.

to paraphrase Joe Rogan on hair 'if a girl doesn't like you because of hair you're walking a thin line with her - she doesn't like you enough to warrant a relationship'

[EndsExpect]

(04-25-2018 05:17 PM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

Absolutely, combo of daddy fetish and just stereotypical 'older guy' fantasy, they are different even if they sound the same.
Let's face it, older guys are just way better at sex. Last longer, know what women want, not clingy, Men not boys, etc.

Without going into gross detail... I can say that in my own personal journey I have become much better as sex as I age. I think this should be true of many other men as well.

The same should be true of women, however the vast majority where I live seem to believe just showing up is enough.

[Mister Crowley]

18-22 for me. Then again i didn't know about game at this age.

All the girls at 18 to 20 seemed to want an older guy. In other words one with money and could legally buy alcohol. While the ones 21 to 22 believed they were too "mature".

Plus once I turned 18, all the jail bait 16 year olds was attracted to me. I lived in a small town at the time, no way i was going to go that route.

[Clint Barton]

Bullshit. You could go 18-22 for the next 10 years. You are in shape. Don't you remember the young crowd that was hanging with us at that birthday party avfew years back?

(05-07-2018 07:33 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

One thing to remember is that I live in Asia where there is nothing wrong with being 10 years older than your GF. If I lived in USA, I'd probably have to settle for the 23-26-year-old range.

[pargan]

(05-08-2018 09:51 PM)Mister Crowley Wrote:  

18-22 for me. Then again i didn't know about game at this age.

All the girls at 18 to 20 seemed to want an older guy. In other words one with money and could legally buy alcohol. While the ones 21 to 22 believed they were too "mature".

Plus once I turned 18, all the jail bait 16 year olds was attracted to me. I lived in a small town at the time, no way i was going to go that route.

Yeah girls are definitely attracted to older guys at some ages and within a certain age difference. For example high school girls will be attracted to guys in college, and younger girls will find a guy attractive once he is old enough to drive. But older in this sense means something like a 5 year age difference maybe not +30 years like a lot of people are saying. I doubt many girls are in college/high school and generally attracted to someone over 50 like some posters here are saying.

For example it would be a status boost for a high school girl if she was dating someone in college. That age difference is seen as cool by many girls. However dating a 50 year old wouldn't really give a status boost and would actually negatively affect her status. A college freshman would get a status boost by dating a senior that is like 4 years age difference. Or by some kind of high status or wealthy professional like an athlete, promoter, performer, lawyer, investment banker etc. If someone is high status and wealthy in something like those professions the 18-22 year olds in my opinion will definitely openly go for those guys when they're in their late 20's like 28 years old so potentially a 10 year age difference could still be seen as ok and cool by herself and her peers.

When I say the girls would openly go for those guys I mean they wouldn't be scared of taking a hit to their status by dating someone to old. A 50 year old would most likely mess up her status. However a 28 year old like I listed above would have no problem being with an 18-22 year old and he would be approved by her peers. The number one thing girls care about these days is how they're perceived so a late 20's guy is most likely the furthest age gap you can go while still being seen positively by most 18-22 year olds.

[Jack Gignac]

(05-09-2018 05:39 AM)pargan Wrote:  

(05-08-2018 09:51 PM)Mister Crowley Wrote:  

18-22 for me. Then again i didn't know about game at this age.

All the girls at 18 to 20 seemed to want an older guy. In other words one with money and could legally buy alcohol. While the ones 21 to 22 believed they were too "mature".

Plus once I turned 18, all the jail bait 16 year olds was attracted to me. I lived in a small town at the time, no way i was going to go that route.

Yeah girls are definitely attracted to older guys at some ages and within a certain age difference. For example high school girls will be attracted to guys in college, and younger girls will find a guy attractive once he is old enough to drive. But older in this sense means something like a 5 year age difference maybe not +30 years like a lot of people are saying. I doubt many girls are in college/high school and generally attracted to someone over 50 like some posters here are saying.

For example it would be a status boost for a high school girl if she was dating someone in college. That age difference is seen as cool by many girls. However dating a 50 year old wouldn't really give a status boost and would actually negatively affect her status. A college freshman would get a status boost by dating a senior that is like 4 years age difference. Or by some kind of high status or wealthy professional like an athlete, promoter, performer, lawyer, investment banker etc. If someone is high status and wealthy in something like those professions the 18-22 year olds in my opinion will definitely openly go for those guys when they're in their late 20's like 28 years old so potentially a 10 year age difference could still be seen as ok and cool by herself and her peers.

When I say the girls would openly go for those guys I mean they wouldn't be scared of taking a hit to their status by dating someone to old. A 50 year old would most likely mess up her status. However a 28 year old like I listed above would have no problem being with an 18-22 year old and he would be approved by her peers. The number one thing girls care about these days is how they're perceived so a late 20's guy is most likely the furthest age gap you can go while still being seen positively by most 18-22 year olds.

agreed. as girls get older their age band widens. eg) 18 year olds generally like up to +5 years older and then at 25 they like +10 years older and then at 30 + 15 years older. etc.

[a beer is enough]

Looking back at situations I knew where guys over 30 were able to do well with this demographic, there are a few things I noticed. Not all of them apply but at least one of these do.

1. The girl is likely lacking cash to make ends meet so you will find them open to going for older guys. Not your typical sorority girl going on to college on parents money but your typical college kid likely having to take out loans.

2. She is not as heavily concerned with her social status and trying to be popular so she will entertain going for an older man.

3. More common in non-Anglo cultures where age shaming has not caught on, I think only in the western world is this a big issue because of all the raging feminists we are dealing with.

4. The guy has serious status in something the crowd will see as cool such as being a DJ, club promoter or something along those lines. I have already discussed it in my other posts, high quality younger women want "fun" guys and not an older guy who is going to be their dad.

5. Usually happens in big cities where not all girls are going to be in college, some of them are going to be aspiring actresses, models or musicians trying to make it big instead of investing in the brutal social politics of college. I do not think any guy over 30 can get quality in your typical college town loaded with 18-22 year olds, at least not in the USA, it is fighting an uphill battle because of how strict social politics are.

I am going to be going against the grain here but I don't see that much value in going for the 18-22 demographic given all of the social politics and BS you would have to deal with it. Most of these girls have the attention span of one second and want to scream, get wasted and get in trouble. I am not saying you shouldn't try but from my experience, I have had better times with girls in their mid and even late 20s than teens and early 20s.

You can actually go out with them, have a fun time, occasionally talk to them about stuff and enjoy life.

I don't knock a man for his preference and I get for a lot of guys who weren't a part of the cool crowd growing up, it can mean a lot to smash this demographic but I do think it is going to take some serious sacrifice. Getting involved in the party and nightlife scene will likely yield the best results because girls this age are obsessed with getting hammered and partying hard.

[Jack Gignac]

(05-09-2018 07:54 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Looking back at situations I knew where guys over 30 were able to do well with this demographic, there are a few things I noticed. Not all of them apply but at least one of these do.

1. The girl is likely lacking cash to make ends meet so you will find them open to going for older guys. Not your typical sorority girl going on to college on parents money but your typical college kid likely having to take out loans.

2. She is not as heavily concerned with her social status and trying to be popular so she will entertain going for an older man.

3. More common in non-Anglo cultures where age shaming has not caught on, I think only in the western world is this a big issue because of all the raging feminists we are dealing with.

4. The guy has serious status in something the crowd will see as cool such as being a DJ, club promoter or something along those lines. I have already discussed it in my other posts, high quality younger women want "fun" guys and not an older guy who is going to be their dad.

5. Usually happens in big cities where not all girls are going to be in college, some of them are going to be aspiring actresses, models or musicians trying to make it big instead of investing in the brutal social politics of college. I do not think any guy over 30 can get quality in your typical college town loaded with 18-22 year olds, at least not in the USA, it is fighting an uphill battle because of how strict social politics are.

I am going to be going against the grain here but I don't see that much value in going for the 18-22 demographic given all of the social politics and BS you would have to deal with it. Most of these girls have the attention span of one second and want to scream, get wasted and get in trouble. I am not saying you shouldn't try but from my experience, I have had better times with girls in their mid and even late 20s than teens and early 20s.

You can actually go out with them, have a fun time, occasionally talk to them about stuff and enjoy life.

I don't knock a man for his preference and I get for a lot of guys who weren't a part of the cool crowd growing up, it can mean a lot to smash this demographic but I do think it is going to take some serious sacrifice. Getting involved in the party and nightlife scene will likely yield the best results because girls this age are obsessed with getting hammered and partying hard.

true I found for rotation girls age 24-29 girls are the best for ongoing fuck buddies. they're way more stable and more independent (from what their social group thinks etc). obvious exceptions apply.

this year I banged so many in this 18-22 spot cuz I get paranoid it might be my last few years where I can do it easily lol.

[a beer is enough]

Rooting for you to keep on doing it if that is what you desire man!

For a lot of guys on here who feel as if they missed out on something by not peaking with women in the 18-22 age range, it feels as if times have really changed to where your 20s are practically a continuation of college. Move to a major US city, get a place in a more "hip" part of town (Murray Hill in NYC for example) and get involved in some popular activities (sports are a big one). Even though I went to a big party school, I feel like I had just as much fun living in a major city in my mid 20s and in an area full of people in their 20s.

For me, I always felt that deeper connection and intimacy getting with a girl around the same age as me who was going through the same things as opposed to some college chick with an attention span of 2 seconds.

It doesn't seem like we follow the whole get married after college route like a couple decades back, lots of people spend their 20s and occasionally even early 30s to have fun. If you mix with the right crowds you could have a great deal of fun as well.

I just feel as if so many guys want to smash 18-22 year olds because they were not high status in those years so they want some sort of validation but you can find a fun time with people in their 20s. Plus you won't have to deal with as much of the BS social politics that come with chasing top-tier college girls, after college women tend to care more about your game, looks, lifestyle and who you are.

Might be sour grapes on my end but I feel like most of the people who were high status in their school years were that way because of their parents for things such as getting into a top frat as a legacy. After school the people I met who were cool were that way because of a unique hobby or something about them, they actually brought value outside of just the Greek letters.

To each his own though, if some guys on here discover successful ideas to get top quality in the 18-22 age range while being 35+ then I am all for it!.

[Jack Gignac]

(05-09-2018 09:38 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

Rooting for you to keep on doing it if that is what you desire man!

For a lot of guys on here who feel as if they missed out on something by not peaking with women in the 18-22 age range, it feels as if times have really changed to where your 20s are practically a continuation of college. Move to a major US city, get a place in a more "hip" part of town (Murray Hill in NYC for example) and get involved in some popular activities (sports are a big one). Even though I went to a big party school, I feel like I had just as much fun living in a major city in my mid 20s and in an area full of people in their 20s.

For me, I always felt that deeper connection and intimacy getting with a girl around the same age as me who was going through the same things as opposed to some college chick with an attention span of 2 seconds.

It doesn't seem like we follow the whole get married after college route like a couple decades back, lots of people spend their 20s and occasionally even early 30s to have fun. If you mix with the right crowds you could have a great deal of fun as well.

I just feel as if so many guys want to smash 18-22 year olds because they were not high status in those years so they want some sort of validation but you can find a fun time with people in their 20s. Plus you won't have to deal with as much of the BS social politics that come with chasing top-tier college girls, after college women tend to care more about your game, looks, lifestyle and who you are.

Might be sour grapes on my end but I feel like most of the people who were high status in their school years were that way because of their parents for things such as getting into a top frat as a legacy. After school the people I met who were cool were that way because of a unique hobby or something about them, they actually brought value outside of just the Greek letters.

To each his own though, if some guys on here discover successful ideas to get top quality in the 18-22 age range while being 35+ then I am all for it!.

I'm not sure cuz I was at 100 lays at 22. I think it's more just raw desire cuz they're more fertile at that age rather than a weird psychological thing. A woman at 20 is 90% more fertile than one at 30 someone made a post about it on here.

[Kid Twist]

As you age you'll see how much more it is YOUTH that stands out as opposed to "being hot"

The former passes boner test more often, because makeup and attitude, as well as cynicism and demands of aging women is a major boner killer

[Jack Gignac]

interesting study on okcupid

In general, men who message women younger than them have an average reply rate. However, men who message women who are 10+ years younger have a reply rate that’s 3% below the average.

only 3% less responses for lower than 10 years. make sense on evolutionary terms cuz youth is more of premium for men than it is for women I think. A man's ability to get resources doesn't really go down until MUCH later like 70s even then we still can get resources like Warren Buffet.

the amount of game and wisdom you get over years I think kinda trumps the age stigma. at least it has so far but i'm still relatively young. Id imagine if i get my resources in order and can travel anywhere this will be even easier when I go to places like Russia etc.

https://www.zoosk.com/date-mix/dating-ad...ger-women/

[Kid Twist]

^ The pool just gets smaller, and that's why understanding your local environment, atmosphere and cultural "issues" is so important. It's all odds or probability that you'll find girl xyz, so you just have to understand how to increase the chance, if that means niche in a shitty location or culture, or moving to the much more traditional place where it's exponentially more possible, or at least commonly practiced.

[Putin Closes]

I am still in my 20's but I can definitely say the best pussy "feel" was for girls in the 18-21 range. Hard to describe but noticeably different vs a girl who is 25+. Nothing better to finish inside a sexy 20 year old on BC. A bit addicting afterwards, and you start taking more risks protection wise.

[Jack Gignac]

(05-13-2018 06:53 PM)Putin Closes Wrote:  

I am still in my 20's but I can definitely say the best pussy "feel" was for girls in the 18-21 range. Hard to describe but noticeably different vs a girl who is 25+. Nothing better to finish inside a sexy 20 year old on BC. A bit addicting afterwards, and you start taking more risks protection wise.

ya bro I was fucking a 20 year old 10 DANCER so her body was in top form on birth control. was so fucking hot. natural blonde 5'8 western european silky soft white skin perky double d's and great ass. first time I used a condom and then after I came she started riding me and just slid my dick in no condom - she's on bc. hands down one of the hottest sexual moments in my career as a player.

my uncle is 60+ and he's banging a 32 year old right now. not quite 18-22 but still props.

[MaceTyrell]

Y’all need to get into the 24-26 demographic. I feel that’s the sweetspot where “game” is actually helpful.

[jacknap]

(05-13-2018 07:17 PM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  

Y’all need to get into the 24-26 demographic. I feel that’s the sweets spot where “game” is actually helpful.

That one is more culturally acceptable so also more competition because older guys feel less shame gaming them. Ie 35-45 crowd.

They're more independent though and less erratic like the young ones though.

A well behaved 18-22 year old though is a god send. Though rare because hormones, friends, etc. make them erratic as fuck.

[jacknap]

when you try to spit game at a girl in the 18-19 year old range and they give you 'how old are you?' or like saying the age difference is too much ie) i'm 28 and I had an 18 year old german girl ask me how old I was and she said 10 years is too big of an age difference so I just chalked it up as a rejection.

You think it's worth selling through? I prefer yes girls but they're hard to find. Looking back at my data of lays, the majority of girls were very co-operative from the jump. If she's already shit testing me at the beggining I think it's because she senses lower value. What you think?

[MikeS]

(05-06-2018 03:48 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

...

Every now and then you do get an older guy who is not only good looking but naturally fun, he just "gets it" (eg: Dan Bilzerian) and that is the kind of older guy these girls generally want to be around. They don't want the older guy who is around swearing off alcohol and complaining about loud music, they want the older guy who is fun...

Is it wrong that I would rather bang 30 or 35 year old broads if it means I can keep (mostly) swearing off alcohol and complaining about loud music?
I love working out, hiking, conversing and relaxing at home and other fun and obviously extraordinarily youthful activities like those, but since my late 30s (not that many years ago) I've extremely rarely had the desire to repeat the types of drunken, loud and stupid fun I loved in my teens and 20s.