[apolis]

(01-04-2015 04:49 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

tonipepperoni's list (greek concierge list) - before being banned:

boujis
raffles
the roof gardens
2&8
Annabel's
ARTS CLUB
BAROQUE
Cirque le Soir
the cuckoo club
Loulou's
Maddox
Project
Shoreditch House
THE BOX
Tramp
Whisky Mint

I'm looking very seriously for a chance or an inspiration to get the fuck out of London the last year and I do not think that if I visited all these places I would change my mind. Anyway, thanks for the info, Que!
I have experienced both single life and LTR over the last four years and I would say that if you have a LTR in London, the city feels more affordable and beautiful. Being single in London can be very tough and I'm not a night gamer or have ever been very successful in this field. I am a 7-8 in appearance and what I have realized is that to make the big step and find a girl that you would really enjoy being with seems almost impossible. Regarding the foreign population, I found the UK polish girls totally conservative and badly westernized, so they have been blacklisted after several failed dates, that you could not even get a kiss. I think your best bet in London if you are a mid 30's guy like me is the UK girls who are far more approachable and easy than the EE girls. After all, everyone's personal experience and skills vary.

[rudebwoy]

Those clubs are expensive as hell and not for the regular person. If you have connections and are able to get into those spots then you are fortunate.

Shoreditch House is a membership club, I have heard wild stories about what goes on there.

A buddy was at Maddox I believe a few years back, there were two Saudis in the club surrounded by Swedish blondes and other hotties. They had 12 bottles of cristal champagne between them, they ended up leaving by themselves. On the table was 6 unopened bottles of champagne left, the staff quickly grabbed them to resell them again.

Most of those clubs cater to b level celebrities, reality stars and football players.

Models wouldn't be caught in those places on weekends.

[Que enspastic]

One of my mates is close with a promoter at Tonteria, a club off Sloane Sq. Reputedly good. I have finance friends who go there too on the reg. My mate's promoter friend got us into Ink - Prof. Green's club in Leicester Sq and dished out free vodka. Had one of the cutest girls I've seen approach me out of the blue and mack.

Most of the non-aspergers guys on the LSS frequent sex parties to get laid. There was The Naked Painting Party at Trampeze May 2014. One dude known as Altitudes swears by The Torture Garden which I believe is held monthly. Need to dress up in PCV gear, military boots, etc. He slays a lot at these kind of events but I'm not sure if it's even game?

Killing Kittens is the premiere sex party members club. But you won't get in unless 9/10 and young millionaire.

I went to The Aurora Mayfair with one Roosh V dude early 2014 which was too small and expensive. Also went to DSTRKT with Courage Reborn last September on a weeknight. The queues of gorgeous girls are deceiving - it's all roped off on the inside, segregated, people don't mingle. Need to be wary about high end clubs as players such as ourselves need venues that encourage mingling rather than a place that puts up barriers up to prevent it.

Had a huge open door mansion party in West Kensington last March. That was the best night out I've had. All alcohol free, I only heard about it on the night through a friend.

London has other things on - hot tub cinema parties in Shoreditch this winter, pop ups all over the place, etc. The night scene is very fluid. I've had a gf now for a while - Eastern European. My single life was alright prior to that but massively reliant on a girl having good logistics and Tinder helping me out with the pipeline (this was back in its glory days).

[apolis]

Tinder was really good in March, got 4 SNL in a month, but then the thing just died. Hopefully, I got a mini relationship from Tinder lately with a rather hot irish girl. At this point I have to clarify, that I never do 2nd dates, it's full attack on the 1st date, after some warm up.

[Que enspastic]

Tinder definitely peaked Sept 2013 - March 2014 in London. It was a very strong 6-8 month window where you would get several matches a day with attractive girls. Every girl was 'trying it out' and with girls being more ahead of the trend than straight dudes the ratios were good.

[civpro]

(01-03-2015 01:26 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  

This was a solid post!!!

I'm actually quite shocked at how many guys who know about "cold approaching" are actually intimidated by these realms... (coming up with all sorts of excuses)

As a guy who has access to these realms in NY I can tell you personally the idea of "traveling for the sake of women" is so unappealing because...
- I'm around alot of highly attractive women each "outing"
- I live in a world class city

Yes you can go to the source whether it be SEA, EE, Latin America, etc...

Issue is SOCIALLY you will not have as much fun and interesting things going on nor will you ever gain the connections you can get in top tier cities. Just clicking those facebook pages revealed a handful of mutual friends have been to these venues.

Imagine a guy spending 1 year in Kiev compared to 1 year in NY where each night consists of a handful of gorgeous women from AROUND THE WORLD.

NOTE, I recently met a gorgeous chick from...Uzbekistan...That isn't even on my list of places to visit. (One of the hottest chicks I ever met in my life was from Macedonia)

(01-01-2015 02:42 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(01-01-2015 02:32 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

So if you're not burning stacks of paper on clubs or mad connected best to just kill yourself

No reason to pick up girls on the street - "the best place to get to know girls is in the nightclubs" (according to Western girls) - what she does not tell you is that you need massive Game, instant raw attraction via looks, social circle Game while being there (can be done - but takes time) and/or 1000+ cash to burn.

And frankly - even the promo pics of the girls there don't impress me much. Go to most EE cities and you will find better girls at a fraction of the cost & effort needed.

Since the UK does not have a real club culture like the US, the best girls are found at house parties, which is even tougher to enter into. There is actually very little you can do in that regard except for stacking up the cash to throw such a party yourself and move in the right social circles.

Daygame in the West is the great equalizer - though some Night clubs are certainly working for guys with plenty of instant raw attraction (aka - Good Looks).

This is a limiting belief... (you don't need cash, anyone spending cash is doing it wrong)

IMO it is due to laziness on the community as a whole and horrible perspective. (Most community guys have little to no female friends, only girls they tend to know are chicks their banging or TRYING to bang)

Gaining access to these type of venues was by far one of the best decisions ever made, even beyond women. I have access (through a simple back and forth messaging) to high end venues in miami, las vegas, south of france, milan, etc.

P.S...Although I can assure you all these high end venues that post pics rarely show pictures of the "hot" tables since most of these venues don't even allow pictures. That said, a quick skim, there was clearly some above average chicks. (Atleast I know I'd end up meeting if I were in the venue with them)
















Like I've stated in other threads about "high end" venues, once your amongst those realms your whole perspective changes. It makes DAYGAME seem highly unprofitable and random bars never come close to the "consistent" experiences you have in the top spots. I jokingly state "I've been spoiled" because it's almost 2 years now since I've decided to no longer hookup with chicks under 5'8. (I used to be able to go to my fav venue 3x a week 100% guaranteed to meet a handful of gorgeous women.) Although times are changing, it used to be the only realm where the venue would have 70 above average women and only 30 guys, it used to be unreal.

P.S...The other perk is, 15 years from now all the guys I currently know will most likely be running the city socially AND I know even at age 45-50 I'll still be able to meet tons of gorgeous model types. (Basically I'm connected for the rest of my life)

I've noticed your posts on this forum, what with your habitual tendency TO capitalize RANDOM words, dropping allusions to a high-end non-stop partying club lifestyle filled with hot models and poppin bottles that majestically transcends the tired hustle and grind of the lowly PUA peon.

Throughout your posts you never substantiate and deconstruct, even partially, this "lifestyle" into plain terms as to just how you got it and how another guy can go about recreating it.

On the first page of your product website, I've read all of the articles there, and all I get is new agey, completely vague advice spouting the same "SOCIAL HACKING", "Stop chasing women, BUILD a LIFESTYLE", "DON'T hangout WITH guys", "SHARED EXPERIENCES", and so on. I have no idea what what your product or method is. I see no concrete actionable advice. From your very lengthy testimonials page I STILL have no inkling as to what your cutting edge lifestyle design system is and how it differs from normal cold approach. And even with the wall of sales copy on your product page ("BE FASCINATING", "LIFESTYLE", "STOP CHASING, BE CHASED", "LIFESTYLE") I am still clueless.

Are you selling anything of substance?

Or are you just 100% internet marketing flash?

[Distant Light]

(01-04-2015 08:43 PM)civpro Wrote:  

(01-03-2015 01:26 AM)Distant Light Wrote:  

This was a solid post!!!

I'm actually quite shocked at how many guys who know about "cold approaching" are actually intimidated by these realms... (coming up with all sorts of excuses)

As a guy who has access to these realms in NY I can tell you personally the idea of "traveling for the sake of women" is so unappealing because...
- I'm around alot of highly attractive women each "outing"
- I live in a world class city

Yes you can go to the source whether it be SEA, EE, Latin America, etc...

Issue is SOCIALLY you will not have as much fun and interesting things going on nor will you ever gain the connections you can get in top tier cities. Just clicking those facebook pages revealed a handful of mutual friends have been to these venues.

Imagine a guy spending 1 year in Kiev compared to 1 year in NY where each night consists of a handful of gorgeous women from AROUND THE WORLD.

NOTE, I recently met a gorgeous chick from...Uzbekistan...That isn't even on my list of places to visit. (One of the hottest chicks I ever met in my life was from Macedonia)

(01-01-2015 02:42 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(01-01-2015 02:32 PM)Que enspastic Wrote:  

So if you're not burning stacks of paper on clubs or mad connected best to just kill yourself

No reason to pick up girls on the street - "the best place to get to know girls is in the nightclubs" (according to Western girls) - what she does not tell you is that you need massive Game, instant raw attraction via looks, social circle Game while being there (can be done - but takes time) and/or 1000+ cash to burn.

And frankly - even the promo pics of the girls there don't impress me much. Go to most EE cities and you will find better girls at a fraction of the cost & effort needed.

Since the UK does not have a real club culture like the US, the best girls are found at house parties, which is even tougher to enter into. There is actually very little you can do in that regard except for stacking up the cash to throw such a party yourself and move in the right social circles.

Daygame in the West is the great equalizer - though some Night clubs are certainly working for guys with plenty of instant raw attraction (aka - Good Looks).

This is a limiting belief... (you don't need cash, anyone spending cash is doing it wrong)

IMO it is due to laziness on the community as a whole and horrible perspective. (Most community guys have little to no female friends, only girls they tend to know are chicks their banging or TRYING to bang)

Gaining access to these type of venues was by far one of the best decisions ever made, even beyond women. I have access (through a simple back and forth messaging) to high end venues in miami, las vegas, south of france, milan, etc.

P.S...Although I can assure you all these high end venues that post pics rarely show pictures of the "hot" tables since most of these venues don't even allow pictures. That said, a quick skim, there was clearly some above average chicks. (Atleast I know I'd end up meeting if I were in the venue with them)
















Like I've stated in other threads about "high end" venues, once your amongst those realms your whole perspective changes. It makes DAYGAME seem highly unprofitable and random bars never come close to the "consistent" experiences you have in the top spots. I jokingly state "I've been spoiled" because it's almost 2 years now since I've decided to no longer hookup with chicks under 5'8. (I used to be able to go to my fav venue 3x a week 100% guaranteed to meet a handful of gorgeous women.) Although times are changing, it used to be the only realm where the venue would have 70 above average women and only 30 guys, it used to be unreal.

P.S...The other perk is, 15 years from now all the guys I currently know will most likely be running the city socially AND I know even at age 45-50 I'll still be able to meet tons of gorgeous model types. (Basically I'm connected for the rest of my life)

I've noticed your posts on this forum, what with your habitual tendency TO capitalize RANDOM words, dropping allusions to a high-end non-stop partying club lifestyle filled with hot models and poppin bottles that majestically transcends the tired hustle and grind of the lowly PUA peon.

Throughout your posts you never substantiate and deconstruct, even partially, this "lifestyle" into plain terms as to just how you got it and how another guy can go about recreating it.

On the first page of your product website, I've read all of the articles there, and all I get is new agey, completely vague advice spouting the same "SOCIAL HACKING", "Stop chasing women, BUILD a LIFESTYLE", "DON'T hangout WITH guys", "SHARED EXPERIENCES", and so on. I have no idea what what your product or method is. I see no concrete actionable advice. From your very lengthy testimonials page I STILL have no inkling as to what your cutting edge lifestyle design system is and how it differs from normal cold approach. And even with the wall of sales copy on your product page ("BE FASCINATING", "LIFESTYLE", "STOP CHASING, BE CHASED", "LIFESTYLE") I am still clueless.

Are you selling anything of substance?

Or are you just 100% internet marketing flash?

Woulda been better to PM me... (Didn't want to steer this thread too off-topic)

Actionable steps...
1. Meet, actually go out and cold approach
2. Invite, bring people along into your lifestyle

I find no reason to go deeper because everyone here knows about cold approaching... (I just dumb downed the process to what actions help facilitate the memorable experiences)

As for my site, it sounds very vague & new-agey because the site is based more on a personal exploration of a perspective/viewpoint that needs to be personally experienced. (I used to have a public journal so most people knew what I was exploring back in Summer 2011)

For instance the "don't hangout with guys" concept, stems from a few things...
- Turns you into an "individual" who's simply collaborating with others (When I 1st started hanging in the "high end" scene it was assumed/thought that I had no guy friends which resulted in a boatload of connections)

- It's bad etiquette, as a guy in those realms to be rolling with guys is not normal. Keep in mind nightclubs are still a business SOMEONE needs to pay, rich dudes are paying high markups to be around hot chicks. (NYE tickets were $300 minimum, I showed up alone 330am FREE) To sidestep "not paying" only to allow access to more guys is a huge no-no.

- It's a completely different vibe when it's 1-2 guys rolling with 5-12 girls (Gay guys aren't considered "guys" because they not only know hot girls BUT are actually fun and added energy to the overall party) At the start when I was dogmatic about this I refused to be around guys because the vibe is drastically different and not in a good way.

- You become a major "social resource" which gives you the option to leverage almost anything related to the hospitality industry. (Anything can be comp'd with the right connections or perceived "connector of a hot crowd")

- Gets you more creative with "inviting" because simple shit like watching you're favorite reality tv show becomes a good enough excuse to invite a bunch of chicks. (Indirectly this caused me to start pulling girls by simply telling them "I'm crashing at your place" because it was so common for me to be at different places wit women)

I dislike talking about Expressions/Techniques because they're the 1st result of your intentions/thoughts and not the source, which is why when I tell people I'm not funny and I don't like talking much it seems ludacris. IMO most people focus on the wrong things such as "what to say" when in reality if a chick can give 2 fucks what a guy says if she genuinely sees he's just having a blast.

For the most part I try to steer clear of PUA stuff ever since a traumatic experience around March 2012. More so now since I've seen over the past 3 years non-community guys (in the high end scene whether model-centric or hipster-centric) who have a much better outlook, lifestyle and clearly hooked up with better quality girls on a much more consistent basis.

NOTE, At my peak (building my lifestyle) I was going at less than 80% of the intensity that I was going when I was heavily community indoctrinated. I can't even comprehend what my life would be like if I had truly "pushed it hard". I slowed down on cold approaching because my life was getting too intense to the point that I no longer had alone time.

P.S...This isn't specifically directed to you BUT working "online" while I still treat it more like a hobby (I still don't even try to sell and haven't done mass update yet) I find copywriting, marketing, etc hilarious because I prefer to be "incognito" due to knowing the realms I frequent and the insane life I was once living. ONLY because my partner stated for "marketing" purposes, I slowly started sharing a few videos. (That I always had prior)

P.S.S...You'll notice most of the videos I link on here are unlisted and sometimes even on a totally different account. Discretion is something I learnt to value in the "high end" scene and it's so deep in terms of "Who I Am" that no one in real life even knows which chicks I've banged and which ones I've only fooled around with. That said, you hear me mention "high end" scene because it legit is a highly fabricated fantasy world that is real. (Although I must admit the formula of "hot crowds" is becoming a sub-niche as the majority becomes more vegas-like)

[Irish]

It's been a long time since I lived in London (and during my pre-game days) but I wouldn't even know where to start on a datasheet of the place. It is just so huge and there are so many venues it would take you years to be able to cover most of the places worth going.

All I remember about nightgame in London was that it was one big almighty cockfest. Almost every bar/club was like 80% guys. This lopsided imbalance in the sexual marketplace is reflected in the fact that you will not find guys in any other city in the world that are thirstier or more desperate than London guys. Girls just didn't have to try. They would go out making minimal effort to doll themselves up: jeans, hair up and limited makeup. Would still get hit on relentlessly. Almost every girl I knew who moved there would put on at least 5kg within a couple of months. We used to call it the "heathrow injection".

Think my decision to finally leave came one night when I was knocked back from Yates (basically as low end a bar as you can get) in Leicester Sq because "I didn't have girls in my group".

On the odd occasion when I went to the high end places, all I remember is that although the ratios and quality of the chicks improved, it was nowhere near enough to offset the ludicrous prices and the fact three quarters of the place was VIP'd off (along with the decent looking girls). A couple of times a few of us got a table, you could barely fit the bottle on it and the minimum spend was catasrophic.

Luckily I developed a solid contact at Boujis (but unfortunately I had left London by this stage) who would guarantee me free entry, q-skip and free drink all night whenever I was in town. However even in a place like that the fluff weren't all that impressive and any decent chicks were very heavily policed by the guys paying for the table they were freeloading of. I have even had dudes physically try and move me away from a chick more than once.

I guess there is a good reason that London is the daygame capital of the world. Nightgame there just aint worth it.

[cosworth]

(01-05-2015 10:45 AM)Irish Wrote:  

Think my decision to finally leave came one night when I was knocked back from Yates (basically as low end a bar as you can get) in Leicester Sq because "I didn't have girls in my group".

This made me laugh , I hope you hung your head in shame ! haha
London is one f-cked up place that's for sure !

[Chengiz88]

(01-02-2015 10:33 AM)Moma Wrote:  

I used to do pretty well in Kingston upon Thames. Used to hit up a club there called 'the works'. Lizards weren't seasoned as the inner city ones so spitting game was easier.

Ah Kingston Upon Thames, awesome place. I use to hit up works and Oceana great memories!!!

[Chengiz88]

Gonna sound like an old fart here, but London club scene must have changed massively from when I use to hit it up courtesy of my black concierge card (Innerplace) for those in the know.

Places to go in London circa 2003-2009 (The roaring noughties)

Tokyo Joe's re-incarnated as Pangea - and then as Vendome. Last i heard it went bust, had some great nights here. Met 2 american guys in here from Kansas City, heirs to a multi million dollar fortune, their family owned a huge Ford dealership and they were spending their summer shagging around Europe. Would love to write what happened next with them but not sure it would be safe to state what went down. One of those random crazy nights!!
Boujis - Tuesday nights here were awesome, If you like sloane ranger type girls this was the place to be. Dress code : Preppy
Amika - Was decent on Saturday nights, this place epitomised the whole models and bottles culture
Funky B - Got a rep as a place where footballers and z list celebs would party, the owner of this place is one hell of a crazy guy, loves his blondes.
Annabel's - Went there with MD of our trading desk, it was full of crusty old farts and pros on the make, think its pretty much still the same.
Embassy - Similar to Funky B, heard its trash now. My cousin had her birthday here, I turned up just to say hi, and ended up paying for the table. Though I managed to convince this dumb slut that I was a plastic surgeon, she wanted to get a boob job, and showed me her tits in the smoking section. I took her to the toilet to pump her only for the toilet attendant to kick me out and call the bouncers.
Aura - Similar to Funky B and Embassy, the promoters who use to run these places (Met parties) were more happy with quantity over quality
Kensington Roof gardens - This place is awesome in the summer. I bumped into the Australian cricket team while they were partying here. Is it still any good? Quality of girls also was on the upper end of the scale everytime I went.

[EwartGrogan]

Copying from the other thread as it seems to belong here: I can contribute to the thread with recommendations of some upscale clubs, nightclubs, restaurants and lounges in London. Especially useful for those running a baller game or targeting at models. Quality of chicks is way higher comparing to ordinary places but you must beware of gold diggers though. You may need a membership/invitation for some of these places but it doesn't seem that tough to obtain in comparison with some other posh London lounges and clubs.

Cipriani, Nobu, Zuma, Bagatelle, Annabel's, Socialista, Mamounia, Loulou's, Tramp, Maddox, BEAT, Toy RoOm, Scandal, Cuckoo

Did I miss something?