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Self improvement through Ulysses Pacts?
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Self improvement through Ulysses Pacts?

In case anyone is unaware, a Ulysses pact is a pact made with others, meant to restrain your actions in the future when you know which at that time you will want to go back on your original commitment.

It comes from an old Greek story about a ship captain named Ulysses, who wanted to hear the song of the legendary Sirens, said to be amazing, but which invariably led to everyone who heard to jump off the ship to their death so they could be with said Sirens. So he commanded his crew who had wax in their ears, to tie him to the mast, and not untie him, regardless of his pleas.

Has anyone ever used this sort of idea to better themselves?

If you read any of the early retirement or money threads here, you'll know I have a bit of proclivity for finance, thrift etc. It's fair to say that for better or worse being financially free and being a money slave to no bank or man is possibly one of the highest priorities in my life.

I got to thinking that about 10 years ago I worked for a company who would give you a free gym membership, but only if you went 3+ times/week and they had a sign in book. And you know what? Faced with worse health, and the prospect of having to throw money away, I went to the gym regularly for almost 2 years until I was transferred. In this case the carrot of a good body and health wasn't enough, but add in a stick of financial waste, and it worked.

Since then, I've had at least two dozen 2-12 week stints where I'll eat well, exercise regularly, but then find an excuse not to, and everything falls off the rails and there are even longer periods of sloth and hedonism.

I'm confident if I did something like give a friend $2k, and tell him not to return it unless I did 200 days of exercise in the upcoming year, that I would do 200 days of exercise. Has anyone else every done something similar to give you that final kick in the ass?
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Self improvement through Ulysses Pacts?

Tried this with a wealthy friend.

He went broke during the interval and failed to pay me back.

I won't do it again.
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Self improvement through Ulysses Pacts?

Like anything, I think this concept works best when done in person with people you actually know and spend time with but this website could be a good alternative.
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Self improvement through Ulysses Pacts?

Quote: (01-26-2019 09:30 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Tried this with a wealthy friend.

He went broke during the interval and failed to pay me back.

I won't do it again.

But did it kick your ass into shape and motivate you enough to accomplish your goal?

Obviously getting your money back(or whatever concession you agreed to) at the end of your Uylssesian experience is ideal, but if you've been struggling with something for years, surely it giving you the concrete motivation to follow through and accomplishing your goal is almost worth the loss?

As long as I can remember, I've always been sort of chubby, but strong, with a BMI hovering around 25+ so slightly overweight for whatever that imperfect measurement is worth, but definitely have some softness to lose. If I could pay several k to assuredly drop 20 lbs, or more optimistically get a 6 pack, I would do it in a heart beat tomorrow.

For me at least, my mind set seems to be weight loss + money returned > weight loss + money lost > slothing around on the couch punctuated by periods of activity which invariably fail. As long as the lost money was only made awaye to me after the fact, I would almost not care minus being down a friend.
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Self improvement through Ulysses Pacts?

Just hit the damn gym. And do some chest,maybe some arms. You shouldn't need Ulysses to motivate you to hit the gym, personally for me, one look in the mirror is enough
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Self improvement through Ulysses Pacts?

Ulyssian saga sounds like it's worth reading.
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Self improvement through Ulysses Pacts?

Quote: (01-27-2019 02:02 AM)vanishing_point Wrote:  

Ulyssian saga sounds like it's worth reading.
It's called The Odyssey and its a tale about a ship's long journey home.
It's worth reading just to see how little we've changed from what is arguably the second book ever written in Western civilization.

Here's a good translation
https://www.theoi.com/Text/HomerOdyssey1.html
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Self improvement through Ulysses Pacts?

Quote: (01-27-2019 01:22 AM)B-Minus Wrote:  

Just hit the damn gym. And do some chest,maybe some arms. You shouldn't need Ulysses to motivate you to hit the gym, personally for me, one look in the mirror is enough

If only it were that easy. If I did indeed 'just hit the gym' why would it be any different than the previous 20+ times?

Additionally if you follow the drinking wagon thread, I did successfully complete a year sober, after several previous semi-serious attempts to "take a break for a while". Your suggestions is akin to telling a hard drinker "well what you need to do is just stop after a couple".

What was the difference? Committing to friends and family that I was going to dry out for a year. The damage to health + the going back on a commitment to family/friends/forum was enough to motivate me to stick with it.

Sadly drinking and fitness aren't quite the same. Drinking is either you do or you don't. So you don't. Fitness is a thousand and one shades of gray. Going to the gym is great. But screwing around in the pool for an afternoon, isn't the same as running 10k flat out, which isn't the same as 5k jogging, which isn't the the same as weights.
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Self improvement through Ulysses Pacts?

Quote: (01-27-2019 03:45 PM)Seadog Wrote:  

Quote: (01-27-2019 01:22 AM)B-Minus Wrote:  

Just hit the damn gym. And do some chest,maybe some arms. You shouldn't need Ulysses to motivate you to hit the gym, personally for me, one look in the mirror is enough

If only it were that easy. If I did indeed 'just hit the gym' why would it be any different than the previous 20+ times?

Additionally if you follow the drinking wagon thread, I did successfully complete a year sober, after several previous semi-serious attempts to "take a break for a while". Your suggestions is akin to telling a hard drinker "well what you need to do is just stop after a couple".

What was the difference? Committing to friends and family that I was going to dry out for a year. The damage to health + the going back on a commitment to family/friends/forum was enough to motivate me to stick with it.

Sadly drinking and fitness aren't quite the same. Drinking is either you do or you don't. So you don't. Fitness is a thousand and one shades of gray. Going to the gym is great. But screwing around in the pool for an afternoon, isn't the same as running 10k flat out, which isn't the same as 5k jogging, which isn't the the same as weights.

Yeah I was just trying to get this account banned, didn't work
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