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Differences between Eastern Europe and East Asia?
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Differences between Eastern Europe and East Asia?

Outside of the obvious cultural and historical differences, of course. I've seen a thread or two comparing EE/Eastern Europe with Latin America before, but have never really found one about East Asia and Eastern Europe. With so many people wanting to go to China, Japan, Korea, as well as places in Eastern/Central Europe.

I'd like to know the differences/similarities people find either by reading datasheets or through actual experience. I know there are a fair number of people who've visited both regions of the world just by virtue of statistics, so feel free to let me know your thoughts.

From personal experience, I can say that I prefer East Asia over Eastern Europe despite having more cultural familiarity and a larger social circle in the latter than the former. There's something about going out into the unknown that really fascinates me, so while I could definitely see myself living in EE in the future for now my sights are set on Asia.
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Differences between Eastern Europe and East Asia?

Quote: (10-29-2018 01:06 AM)Kelent Wrote:  

Outside of the obvious cultural and historical differences, of course. I've seen a thread or two comparing EE/Eastern Europe with Latin America before, but have never really found one about East Asia and Eastern Europe. With so many people wanting to go to China, Japan, Korea, as well as places in Eastern/Central Europe.

I'd like to know the differences/similarities people find either by reading datasheets or through actual experience. I know there are a fair number of people who've visited both regions of the world just by virtue of statistics, so feel free to let me know your thoughts.

From personal experience, I can say that I prefer East Asia over Eastern Europe despite having more cultural familiarity and a larger social circle in the latter than the former. There's something about going out into the unknown that really fascinates me, so while I could definitely see myself living in EE in the future for now my sights are set on Asia.

I know some guys will say this is a troll post, but since its late here in us, I'm on board with a bit of meta-thinking even tho the premise is a bit silly. Anywho--- which countries do you consider East Asia? What countries are in your mind when you say EE? I do agree with you that Asia is way more wild west than EE but EE is damn awesome in its own right but takes a player that is on fucking point. Asia is 3rd grade shit compared to going into battle during soviet winter
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Differences between Eastern Europe and East Asia?

This is not meant to be a troll post, just trying to gauge experiences, sorry if it came off as one.

Eastern Europe = Former Soviet Union and Yugoslavia, pretty much.

East Asia = Korea, Japan, China, Taiwan


I think the biggest draw for me to Asia is I've never been there for an extended period of time. Who the hell knows though, both are fucking amazing in their own right, I just want to hear what other people think.
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#4

Differences between Eastern Europe and East Asia?

How about change the topic to "Similarities between Eastern Europe and East Asia" so we are faster?
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Differences between Eastern Europe and East Asia?

@semibaron tell me how I can do that and I will. I don't know if it's possible to edit a title after it's been up for a while but I agree, I could've worded it better. What are some similarities you've noticed?
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Differences between Eastern Europe and East Asia?

Quote: (10-31-2018 10:17 AM)Kelent Wrote:  

@semibaron tell me how I can do that and I will. I don't know if it's possible to edit a title after it's been up for a while but I agree, I could've worded it better. What are some similarities you've noticed?

None. OP answered.
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Differences between Eastern Europe and East Asia?

I've lived in Eastern Europe and visited Czech Republic, Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Slovakia .. been all over. In SE Asia I've only been to Thailand a few times. So with that in mind;
Similarities: lower income relative to the West, less entitled culture, love of partying and instant gratification (e.g. easy money)
Differences: In thailand people still are more in awe of westerners, girls are much more willing to make an effort to meet a western guy. In Thailand people seemed more willing to deceive you to get what they want. I would say that EE has pretty much moved beyond that in the countries I know, but the farther east you go in EE, the more it is still like that with Ukraine being less different in that way than Czech Republic. In the EE countries people are becoming less and less humble and more and more arrogant and willing to confront westerners about all sorts of things that they never would have done 15 years go.

Otherwise culturally they are very far apart. But you can say the same about the UK and the US, but on a different level. So when you ask this question it's better to focus on specific things you want to know about.
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Differences between Eastern Europe and East Asia?

Quote: (11-03-2018 03:25 PM)JohnQPublic Wrote:  

I've lived in Eastern Europe and visited Czech Republic, Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Slovakia .. been all over. In SE Asia I've only been to Thailand a few times. So with that in mind;
Similarities: lower income relative to the West, less entitled culture, love of partying and instant gratification (e.g. easy money)
Differences: In thailand people still are more in awe of westerners, girls are much more willing to make an effort to meet a western guy. In Thailand people seemed more willing to deceive you to get what they want. I would say that EE has pretty much moved beyond that in the countries I know, but the farther east you go in EE, the more it is still like that with Ukraine being less different in that way than Czech Republic. In the EE countries people are becoming less and less humble and more and more arrogant and willing to confront westerners about all sorts of things that they never would have done 15 years go.

Otherwise culturally they are very far apart. But you can say the same about the UK and the US, but on a different level. So when you ask this question it's better to focus on specific things you want to know about.

Thailand is - as you say yourself - SE Asia, not East Asia. Having only been to two Asian countries myself - Thailand and China, Shanghai primarily, those two were worlds apart in climate, culture, and typical observed and experienced behavior (I've spent a couple of months in Thailand over two trips interacting plentifully with the locals, mostly women, but the shorter trips to China was to visit a Western relative so didn't spend nearly as much time meeting locals).

The parts of Eastern Europe I've visited - living in Bulgaria for five years, short visits to Romania and Hungary - again feel very different from either Thailand or Shanghai. Basically those EE countries to me just feel very European (I'm originally from Scandinavia), just more run down than Western capitals with some slightly more traditional values among the people and a slightly "darker" and less optimistic mood overall because of the poor economy and worse living conditions for most people. Though that obviously varies greatly between individuals, like everywhere else.

If you already know Western Europe, going anywhere in Asia will certainly feel like a much bigger new experience than going to Eastern Europe.
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Differences between Eastern Europe and East Asia?

I lived one year in Budapest, Hungary and three years in Russia, in Volgograd and Peter, I also visited several times Poland, Slovakia, Czech, Serbia, Romania and was once in Bulgaria and the Ukraine.
Now I have been living in China for + 2 years and have visited most countries in Asia.
East Asia and SEA are very different, ie Japan has very little in common with Myanmar.
I find that in EE there's many opportunistic people, very dishonest too but that's survival instinct. There's also good people. Hard to generalize. Poland seems way more honest than the Ukraine.
In Asia I love the food, in EE it generally sucks. In SEA the weather is great (if you like heat and humidity), while in EE the winters are long, cold and depressing. In terms of work I think there a fewer chances in EE of making good money while in Asia there are plenty of chances.
EE has lots of smoking hot chicks but I have the yellow fever so for me they might as well be dead, I prefer Asians a million times over.
NEA is way more developed, clean and safe than EE, SEA is more at a EE level, with exceptions.
This is just my two cents, it's hard to compare two big areas of the world with many countries and differences in them. It would be easier to compare specific countries.
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Differences between Eastern Europe and East Asia?

Quote: (11-03-2018 07:11 PM)Polero Wrote:  

I lived one year in Budapest, Hungary and three years in Russia, in Volgograd and Peter, I also visited several times Poland, Slovakia, Czech, Serbia, Romania and was once in Bulgaria and the Ukraine.
Now I have been living in China for + 2 years and have visited most countries in Asia.
East Asia and SEA are very different, ie Japan has very little in common with Myanmar.
I find that in EE there's many opportunistic people, very dishonest too but that's survival instinct. There's also good people. Hard to generalize. Poland seems way more honest than the Ukraine.
In Asia I love the food, in EE it generally sucks. In SEA the weather is great (if you like heat and humidity), while in EE the winters are long, cold and depressing. In terms of work I think there a fewer chances in EE of making good money while in Asia there are plenty of chances.
EE has lots of smoking hot chicks but I have the yellow fever so for me they might as well be dead, I prefer Asians a million times over.
NEA is way more developed, clean and safe than EE, SEA is more at a EE level, with exceptions.
This is just my two cents, it's hard to compare two big areas of the world with many countries and differences in them. It would be easier to compare specific countries.


So, based on your time in Hungary, Russia, and China, how would you say your quality of life and game has become over time? Out of Russia and China, which would you say had the biggest impact or impression on you?
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#11

Differences between Eastern Europe and East Asia?

Good question. I think the thing is that there aren't too many players who have spent a lot of time in both.

Learning an East Asian language and Russian would take so long that many dudes just pick a spot and lay roots. Off the top of my head I know 2 guys on RVF who are proficient in Russian and Chinese. I'm very interested in getting a comparison of the two from someone who has done a few years in both. I've only spent a lot of time in East Asia. I have not even gotten a russian notch at this point.

I will be checking my PMs weekly, so you can catch me there. I will not be posting.
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Differences between Eastern Europe and East Asia?

My life in Budapest, Hungary was pretty easy. I was an exchange student in my last year of university, I just had to show up every now and then at the uni and make sure I was going to pass the exams, for those of you familiar with the program it was the Erasmus program. Budapest is fairly livable and westernized, plenty of hot chicks, all the western food and amenities, great location in central Europe (Hungarians don't consider themselves Easter Europeans), now if I had to work there I'd say my salary would just be okay (I'm a teacher) and probably wouldn't have much fun. For the record, I never learnt Hungarian other than some simple words or sentences. Most people spoke English and/or German. The country is very small and you can easily go to other cities and to lake Balaton in summer. Hungarian food was just okay but in BP there are hundreds of foreign restaurants, Italian, Greek, Turkish, Japanese, Chinese etc. The weather wasn't too extreme, -10 celsius in winter was the coldest if I remember correctly and spring and fall were very nice, summers can get very hot. Many cheap flights to other European cities and trains to all over central and eastern Europe.

Now, Russia. Russia is a different animal. Outside of central Moscow and Peter to a lesser extent, life for most Russians is either tough or tough AF. Most westerners don't understand why Russians don't smile much, they don't smile because they have very few reasons to smile. Look at their history. Anyone who has been to Russia, especially in winter, will agree with the fact that most cities look miserable, hell, even beautiful and amazing Saint Petersburg in January is awful. Snow, ice, low clouds, dark for most of the day. I wrote some information about my life in Volgograd before:
I'm posting this here because I'm a new member and can't open my new thread.

This is a short data sheet on Volgograd - волгоград (former Stalingrad), Russia.

This will be my first data sheet and English is not my first language, so if the structure of my writing is not the best or if there are grammatical mistakes or misspellings I apologize in advance.

I’ll tell you guys a few things about myself:

I’m a mid-late thirties guy originally from southern Europe, I have lived in several countries in Europe and I’m currently in Asia. I’m around 183cm or 6ft and I used to be in good shape but I haven’t worked out for some time now.

My experience in Volgograd:

I lived there from September 2013 until November 2015, afterwards I moved to Saint Petersburg. In both cities I worked as a language teacher, my income for Russian standards was quite decent but I was no baller.

The City:
First named Tsaritsyn, then Stalingrad after the USSR’s Prime Minister and then Volgograd after WWII. Volgograd means the city on the (river) Volga. Volgograd is in south west Russia and has a population of around one million people, the city is quite long and it’s parallel to the river Volga.
Volgograd, being quite near for Russian standards to the Caucasus, has a pretty large community of people originally from Georgia, Armenia, Azerbaijan, Chechnya, Abkhazia etc.
Volgograd is not a beautiful city, most of it is made of Communist blocks built right after the battle of Stalingrad and during the 50’s, 60’s etc. There are a couple of nice long streets, ie the alley of the heroes аллея героев being one of them.

The weather:
It’s Russia so in winter it’s going to be freezing cold, plenty of ice and snow. Winter generally starts in November and it ends in April or sometimes even in May. In summer it can get really hot and sunny. I recommend visiting Volgograd in May or in September.

How to get there:
I personally took a train Simferopol in Crimea, at the time Crimea was part of the Ukraine, not it’s part of Russia (no politics here, just pointing that out), it was a very long train ride, if I remember correctly it was like 26 hours. The train was old, hot, smelly and crowded but a really eye-opening experience.

The Food:
There are some foreign restaurants in Volgograd, mostly Italian and some German, I used to like the food and beer at Bamber on Ulitsa Sovetskaya, 20, near the embarkment, or the pizza in Rimini on Ulitsa Gagarina, 9, near the planetarium, saying so, there were not many foreign food options in the city, perhaps now the situation has changed (I left this city almost three years ago). The fact of hosting a large community of people from the Caucasus also means there are plenty of restaurant that offer Georgian and Armenian food, Sashlik, Georgian wine etc were quite nice.

The girls:
I bet this is what most people wanted to read about. Yes, the girls were gorgeous, really high average when compared to western girls. I’ve read a lot about the three date rule in Russia and so on, I can confirm that ONS were not the rule in Volgograd, I had some but not many. Generally I had to date the girls a few times to seal the deal, I’d say if I had met the girls from the internet then the bang might have happened sooner but not always.
I used to use Mamba and Badoo for most of my bangs, Tinder was not that popular back then. Meeting girls in bars or clubs was fairly easy, given they knew I was a westerner and quite exotic, having an apartment by myself in the city center also helped big time.

Bars/clubs:
I used to go to the bars by the pier quite often, near the main street in town, Ulitsa Lenina, there was a little bar, Mischka, that was the place to be during the week. I found that Volgograd’s nightlife was pretty weak but a city of its size, I guess the fact that most people didn’t have much money to go out didn’t help.

Conclusion:
I had a blast in Russia, I really did. As I said earlier on, I left Volgograd after two years, mostly because the city didn’t have much to offer. I moved to Saint Petersburg but I was disappointed and left after a few months. I now live in Asia and I love it. I plan to stay here for many years. I’ll be happy to answer any questions.


China - I've been living in China since August 2016 and I'm loving it. My quality of life is a million times better here than in Russia or in Hungary, this has definitely to do with me being more qualified and experienced work wise, having more life experience but also to do with how life in the city in China that I'm in it's simply so much easier, convenient, practical and safe than anywhere in Russia I have been.

To be more specific between my life in Russia and here in China:
-I really like Chinese food and I never really ate anything in Russia that I was impressed with.
-Weather in Russia sucked balls and in southern China is very nice all year around, it can get very hot and sticky in summer, though.
-Traveling in Russia: Either very expensive or really fucking long trips. Internal flights used to be crazy expensive, the other solution was taking a train that would take forever. Volgograd – Peter: 36 hours, Volgograd - Caucasus: + 24 hours etc the only fast train in Russia was or maybe still is Moscow to Peter, the rest of the trains are super long but they can be quite an adventure.
-Traveling in China: amazing and affordable fast trains to everywhere, shitloads of flights to anywhere in Asia or the rest of the world.
-Chicks: Russian girls in Russia are just amazing, outside of Russia many have the princess syndrome. Ever since I left Russia I only fucked a few Russians and Ukranians and I then got sick and tired of them. I only like Asians now, I can do blacks too.

Bear in mind that I speak no Chinese whatsoever but my Russian used to be pretty decent. I'm not really planning on learning Chinese and I only learnt Russian because I was forced to if I wanted to live in Russia: so few people there spoke English or actually wanted to speak English. Here I would say that politics didn't help and also Volgograd is a 2nd tier city in Russia. I know in Moscow the English levels are definitely higher and I guess it’d be easier to get by with just English, saying so, you would limit yourself to just the English speaking girls. I know that by not speaking Chinese I’m limiting myself to foreign groupies but there are so many of them plus at this point of my life banging girls is not my priority.

Hope this helps, my ideas are all mixed up because I’m trying to remember experiences that happened some time ago. I lived in Budapest from September 2004 to June/July 2005, I was in Russia from September 2013 until June 2016 and have been in China since August 2016. I can try to clarify anything I wrote there.

All the best,

Polero.
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