[Mumbojumbo]

I assume this isn't really to new to most here but still this epiphany was new to me.

I always wondered why girls in places with lots of office workers (and often predominately male workforces) dress up so much. Yes there is a requirement to wear something fashionable in most offices (and likely peer pressure by girls); but for many it is the same dress that you'd expect for a Bachelorette party - not fro a commute downtown. Heels, makeup, hair extensions - the whole ordeal every morning.

In times of #metoo you'd expect girls to dress down to reduce any ambiguity and reduce sexual unwanted advances by coworkers (we all know they are more evil than that).

Now clearly it gives girls lots of attention and they try to use it by advancing their career by manipulating male coworkers.

But then it struck me what Jordan Peterson says - men feel the most self conscious (and girls most powerful) when they can reject a man. Indeed most of these 'downtown' workers I encounter give off this vibe "..don't look at me..' or '..don't hit on me..' vibe from a distance - right away. From our male logic it makes no sense but from a female logic dressing up and rejecting everyone is a huge power boost for her female brain.

The use this massive sexualization of their outfit to not just get attention but get the Dopamine shot from rejecting guys - hundreds a day. This is easily as good as rejecting men on Tinder or Bumble.

This is the equivalent of the male Dopamine shot when we see an attractive girl. Maybe evolution is evil

[Parlay44]

Quote:

In times of #metoo you'd expect girls to dress down to reduce any ambiguity and reduce sexual unwanted advances by coworkers (we all know they are more evil than that).

Women don't see a correlation between dressing proactively and attracting unwanted attention.

Honestly I believe they dress that way in order to maximize the amount of male attention(good or bad) they can possibly get in order to increase their SMV which in turn allows them greater selectivity of men.

[RatInTheWoods]

They dress for alpha and high value male attention.

Beta ugly low value men don't exists, and when they look at her, it's literally rape.

[Captain Gh]

As Patrice O'Neal would say... they're looking to win the lottery when dressing like this! That's why a man in his player phase has got to not shit where he eats! The worse thing a man can do is "waste" these women's time! Very Bad Idea!!

[questor70]

(10-08-2018 06:00 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

They dress for alpha and high value male attention.
Beta ugly low value men don't exists, and when they look at her, it's literally rape.

Yes, it's now considered the responsibility of men to pre-sort themselves and not let on that they're interested unless they're high-value. It's just considered too much mental/emotional labor on a woman's part to reject anymore, hence that burden is now classified as mild harassment. It all leads back to women being inherently lazy and entitled.

[jacknap]

I don't think most women 'enjoy' rejecting men. Could be wrong but here's my current framework.

1) women have 1 egg per month, men have millions of sperm. This crazy scarcity in her egg and drives the price up.

2) women ideally just want one male partner with great genetics and to have every other mans non-sexual time/attention/resources.

3) Most men aren't willing to just give their time/attention/resources to a woman that doesn't want them back sexually so women want to simultaneously drive up their sexuality to increase sexual desirability but simultaneously drive up the cost of making a proposition.

Hence why complete female sexual control would look something like this I'm estimating.

Women walking around in thongs or completely naked. With perfect makeup. All Men with zappers that instantly make them disappear if they make a woman feel uncomfortable. While these women in thongs and done up make up wait in line to service Justin Bieber's genitals (sometimes even paying money to do so). To prove to him that she should be his number 1 girl.

If Justin somehow loses his social dominance he is also not immune to zapping.

Basically my opinion from how I've seen the sexual market place, reading evolutionary psychology.

There's the argument that women's sexual nature is what drives men to innovate. But maybe not. I took a trip down to the gay village in my city and things are quite functional there without male thirst for vagina. It's just two guys pressing gas on sex because there's no woman there to say no. Things might actually be more efficient and perhaps a 'solid' cure for AIDS would have been found because there's less stigma and it's a global problem. Of course then we'd all die out because of no reproduction.

Hmm. Food for thought.

[questor70]

(10-08-2018 07:09 PM)jacknap Wrote:  

Women walking around in thongs or completely naked.

I feel like we're pretty much there already because there's so little left to the imagination with the painted-on yoga pants trend.

Sometimes I think the only reason society hasn't gone nuts over that is because porn has become such a convenient escape-valve.

[jacknap]

(10-08-2018 08:27 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 07:09 PM)jacknap Wrote:  

Women walking around in thongs or completely naked.

I feel like we're pretty much there already because there's so little left to the imagination with the painted-on yoga pants trend.

yup. women have more sexual power than any time in history. This is exactly what they're doing. It's moving more extreme though now. Nips becoming free etc.

Makes me sad though because back in the day when I first started gaming a girl dressed like that would have a high probability of being DTF. Now it's a double edged sword and she might give me the most soul crushing rejection.

Unchecked female sexuality though = demonizing and criminalizing most men's natural and relatively harmless desires except the current alpha in their mind and makes other men weak. (Pareto principle)

Unchecked male sexuality = rape / physically harming women.

Both are bad. The game is fun when both genders are empowered.

[blck]

(10-08-2018 08:27 PM)questor70 Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 07:09 PM)jacknap Wrote:  

Women walking around in thongs or completely naked.

I feel like we're pretty much there already because there's so little left to the imagination with the painted-on yoga pants trend.

Sometimes I think the only reason society hasn't gone nuts over that is because porn has become such a convenient escape-valve.

Outfit to make your weekly 6km on copacabana beach back in 2009

[jordypip23]

(10-08-2018 06:00 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

They dress for alpha and high value male attention.

Beta ugly low value men don't exists, and when they look at her, it's literally rape.

LOL you sure bro? I thought they were looking all decked out for this dashing gentleman right here....

[questor70]

(10-09-2018 04:50 AM)jordypip23 Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 06:00 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

They dress for alpha and high value male attention.

Beta ugly low value men don't exists, and when they look at her, it's literally rape.

LOL you sure bro? I thought they were looking all decked out for this dashing gentleman right here....

Wow. That makes George Lucas' stork pouch look tiny by comparison.

[Hippie Dippie]

How the heck did you find a picture of me and post it here? The face of the most alpha man ever having walked the face of earth.

[General Stalin]

(10-08-2018 04:03 PM)Mumbojumbo Wrote:  

I assume this isn't really to new to most here but still this epiphany was new to me.

I always wondered why girls in places with lots of office workers (and often predominately male workforces) dress up so much. Yes there is a requirement to wear something fashionable in most offices (and likely peer pressure by girls); but for many it is the same dress that you'd expect for a Bachelorette party - not fro a commute downtown. Heels, makeup, hair extensions - the whole ordeal every morning.

Women dress up because they want to look attractive. This is part in competition with their other female peers, and part to attract attention from men. Simple as that.

(10-08-2018 04:03 PM)Mumbojumbo Wrote:  

In times of #metoo you'd expect girls to dress down to reduce any ambiguity and reduce sexual unwanted advances by coworkers (we all know they are more evil than that).

"#metoo" is some bullshit social media trend. It has zero bearing on real life interactions with women. It's just virtue signaling shit; girls still want to get choked and plowed by an attractive masculine man.

(10-08-2018 04:03 PM)Mumbojumbo Wrote:  

Now clearly it gives girls lots of attention and they try to use it by advancing their career by manipulating male coworkers.

But then it struck me what Jordan Peterson says - men feel the most self conscious (and girls most powerful) when they can reject a man. Indeed most of these 'downtown' workers I encounter give off this vibe "..don't look at me..' or '..don't hit on me..' vibe from a distance - right away. From our male logic it makes no sense but from a female logic dressing up and rejecting everyone is a huge power boost for her female brain.

The use this massive sexualization of their outfit to not just get attention but get the Dopamine shot from rejecting guys - hundreds a day. This is easily as good as rejecting men on Tinder or Bumble.

Women reject men who they don't want to fuck. Women will always accept the advances of a man who they are attracted enough to.

I'll put it this way; if you're Brad Pitt, you don't think about "man, all these women downtown dressed up in their sexy business-wear just to turn me down." Dudes like that don't get rejected by anyone. It's all about where you stand on the ladder, and how women view you. If you're a good looking cat with your shirt together and spit creamy smooth game then you don't see any woman as off-limits. The only limit is yourself.

[jacknap]

(10-09-2018 11:33 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(10-08-2018 04:03 PM)Mumbojumbo Wrote:  

I assume this isn't really to new to most here but still this epiphany was new to me.

I always wondered why girls in places with lots of office workers (and often predominately male workforces) dress up so much. Yes there is a requirement to wear something fashionable in most offices (and likely peer pressure by girls); but for many it is the same dress that you'd expect for a Bachelorette party - not fro a commute downtown. Heels, makeup, hair extensions - the whole ordeal every morning.

Women dress up because they want to look attractive. This is part in competition with their other female peers, and part to attract attention from men. Simple as that.

(10-08-2018 04:03 PM)Mumbojumbo Wrote:  

In times of #metoo you'd expect girls to dress down to reduce any ambiguity and reduce sexual unwanted advances by coworkers (we all know they are more evil than that).

"#metoo" is some bullshit social media trend. It has zero bearing on real life interactions with women. It's just virtue signaling shit; girls still want to get choked and plowed by an attractive masculine man.

(10-08-2018 04:03 PM)Mumbojumbo Wrote:  

Now clearly it gives girls lots of attention and they try to use it by advancing their career by manipulating male coworkers.

But then it struck me what Jordan Peterson says - men feel the most self conscious (and girls most powerful) when they can reject a man. Indeed most of these 'downtown' workers I encounter give off this vibe "..don't look at me..' or '..don't hit on me..' vibe from a distance - right away. From our male logic it makes no sense but from a female logic dressing up and rejecting everyone is a huge power boost for her female brain.

The use this massive sexualization of their outfit to not just get attention but get the Dopamine shot from rejecting guys - hundreds a day. This is easily as good as rejecting men on Tinder or Bumble.

Women reject men who they don't want to fuck. Women will always accept the advances of a man who they are attracted enough to.

I'll put it this way; if you're Brad Pitt, you don't think about "man, all these women downtown dressed up in their sexy business-wear just to turn me down." Dudes like that don't get rejected by anyone. It's all about where you stand on the ladder, and how women view you. If you're a good looking cat with your shirt together and spit creamy smooth game then you don't see any woman as off-limits. The only limit is yourself.

Great points. I was probing this with one of my rotation girls last night and she's a sexy chinese ivy league girl. She doesn't even know what metoo was. I think manosphere to stay relevant overly reports on scandals to give us that 'dopamine' hit through fear/novelty/anger.

[General Stalin]

^This community is an echo chamber rife with keyboard jockies no different than any other. We have no shortage of people speaking in hardlined absolutes and propagating hysterics.

[gework]

For the opening question,

"Why girls get a Dopamine shot when they reject a man"

From the view of looking at it in terms of hierarchies. It's my observation that people never want to be (or made to feel) below someone in any hierarchy they find desirable. Just questioning a person's place in a hierarchy is usually enough to make them very angry. It's a much overlooked aspect of what people value. Their status is perilously important and ultimately linked to survival mechanisms.

The hierarchy can be as simple as two people. You ask a girl out, she says "no". In that dynamic she has put you right at the bottom of the hierarchy and she's right at the top. It's why a natural response is to use violence, as at that point it's one of the few ways you can come out on top.

Women definetly enjoy that dopamine hit of being the top lobster against all these guys she rejects. It will change her physiology. It's why some girls and guys can turn themselves from average-ish-looking to hot by changing their life, their position in hierarchies they value, which changes their physiology. It's most obvious with silverback gorillas, which physically change once they become the alpha of a pack.

All girls like being mass rejecters on this level. However many also feel bad because it hurts their self-image as a good person. Particularly in the current society, where being seen as good is cast so much as to how you treat the worse off. It fucks with these girls that they have to constantly deflate so many people who aren't good enough for them. To reject so actively deflates a girl's estimation of herself in the virtue hierarchy. And I think that's the majority of girls, who are not strongly towards NPD, BPD, sociopathy and psychopathy.

This is why so many girls ghost, or semi-ghost. Not getting to the position where they tell you you are not good enough preserves their self-image. Ghosting saves them from having to look at themselves for who they are, which is highly-selective women who are looking for the best for them, for their sole benefit. And in the current world we're highly discouraged from thinking like that. Women typically want to think they are nice charitable, caring and loving. It's difficult to keep that view if you are constantly rejecting guys.

To return to hierarchical maneuvers. If a girl is moving to ghosting (which has happened to me twice) then my game is to have them contact me and then I will never reply to them again (which I did in both said situations). For me this leaves the dynamic much more in your favour. They won't be able to think in their mind that they are so much above you, that you may have grovelled or filled her inbox full of soy-based texts. They get left like, "Oh, I guess he wasn't that into me, the fucker. I'm too good for him anyway." In this dynamic you end up above them in the hierarchy of your interpersonal relationship, even though they essentially dumped you.

I employ this in my life in any circumstance. For example at Christmas I bought something for about $2,000. It turns out it was falsely advertised and no use to me. I couldn't get a refund and the merchant ignored me. So I posted 10+ negative reviews and they now all rank below his site in Google. It's obviously fucked his duplicitous business up; and today he has seemingly emailed all his customers to try and find who posted them and get them to remove them.

When people offer themselves or communicate with you there is one thing that will anger them and push them further below you anything else.



Don't respond: verbally or emotionally. It makes them think what they said is so worthless you won't even grace it with a response.

So if I ever hear from this guy again, I will delete the email without opening it. I've psychologically cut the losses and am taking away that I came out on top over this whining bitch. These are the extents I will go to to win and I'm not tired yet.

You can't really change your persona just by thinking and desiring to be a certain way. The persona is changed via experience. But if you are holding your frame in situations when people are trying to shit heel you, you will eventually become the frame.

[a beer is enough]

Due to seeing the worst of humanity growing up and being targeted by nasty people in the past, I used to wonder what it was but my experiences can apply to this thread.

I have heard guys say that 6s and 7s are actually nastier than 8s and 9s. The kinds of girls you can just look at and tell have really put a ton of effort into their appearance but at the same time, you see that after all that effort, the genetic ceiling has been hit. I think that for a woman this is truly one of the toughest things to come to terms with and it creates this nasty feedback loop in their psyche which in turn makes them into nasty people.

My thoughts are that what you give to the world is really a lot of what you received. A lot of women who are nasty characters and nasty personalities often felt that pain of not being the 10 or the captain of the cheerleading squad. When you give people in that situation even a little bit of power or a temporary status boost, which most 6s and 7s get due to excessive makeup and the overabundance of simps in modern society, they tend to go on these power trips.

It is a unique occurrence too, the previously ignored girl is getting a bit of attention and an appetizer of what a truly beautiful woman regularly gets. At the same time, there is this issue of knowing she is not a 10 and never will be a 10 due to her genetic limitations. What this does is it creates a creature that is delusional yet insecure at the same time with an urge towards feeling in control and the vindictive attitude of getting back at the same society that ignored her, mainly through rejecting and being brutal towards the very men she associates with as the men who picked the over her.

At its root, it applies to nasty people in general, male or female. I truly believe that guys who are heavily sadistic and have the urge to act on it often were at some point having to face the nastier side of society.

Often I find that people who are the nastiest on the inside are rarely attractive on the outside.

[just a human]

My point of view: This comes from psychology of victim who desperately want power.
Women, by the nature, are bottom creatures - who get fucked all their life. Fucking is an act of power and submission. Rejection of a man is how they try to compensate for their destiny in this world - to be the "bottom" who gets fucked. Today, one whom I fucked a couple times harshly rejected me. I replied with an nasty joke. Then she tried to play cold. I replied with an other sarcastic joke. And finally, when she saw that her strategy doesn't work - she tried to play "warm" and wished me " all the best" and finally "good night". That's how they try to feel some power over man.

[questor70]

(10-09-2018 03:39 PM)gework Wrote:  

Don't respond: verbally or emotionally. It makes them think what they said is so worthless you won't even grace it with a response.

Yep. Indifference is the opposite of love. Just read through the lyrics of Somebody That I Used to Know by Gotye.

There's something really primal that makes it hurt when you're ignored or just put on the back-burner. It's not limited to guys getting rejected.

begin autism:

I read an article recently suggesting people try to cut texting out of their love-life and it resonated with me.

Even if you cut out texting, there is an unavoidable cadence to interpersonal communication. It's a call and response. Every time you make an overture, you're placing yourself in a vulnerable position of wanting and waiting for a response. Neediness is really wrapped up in that aspect of waiting and wanting a validating response. Most of it is a low level form of anxiety. The more needy you are, the more anxiety you feel over ever more trivial exchanges.

[Mumbojumbo]

Hehe I wonder if they are really looking for an alpha (more than theoretically).

I frequent the downtown of Toronto and San Francisco mostly (terribly choice on my side I know). I challenge you to build the most alpha setup possible short of being a A List celebrity and get a much different reaction.

My observation is also pre-approach. Most girls will chat for a bit but that never actually goes anywhere.

I really feel most girls are now so far that mass rejection is their morning coffee.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

We are the chasers, they are the gatekeepers.

Women would reject the bottom 80% of men if they were living in a shitty polygamic society (they usually are shit or live on constant warfare).

Of course it gives them a power-feeling if they can reject men - giving in, letting a guy fuck them and then having him not call back - that is the man winning and many women nowadays are all too familiar with that feeling usually reacting by some fake rape allegation in the #metoo category.